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Forcing Religion On Someone

andylover_16
05-16-2004, 05:04 AM
I've recently been getting loads of emails and forwards from random people be it friends and non-friends with titles such as "Do You have time for God", "Marriage equals a man and a woman" and ive come to think that these certain messages have really started to irritate me and get under my skin. I know that everyone has the things they are passionate about be it religiously or not, but its so annoying when you feel like people are trying to force religion upon you. Its especially regurgitating to read of people speaking of "homosexuals" as not approved by god but in the same sentence hearing them go on about how important it is to be a good christian. Last time i checked being a good christian also meant not to judge people like those in these emails are. So why is it that people feel its neccesary to pressure you into following their religious beliefs? I know it probably reflects somewhat on our own president being kind of a religious lunatic trying to force his beliefs on the country but anyhow im not "especially" religious myself and i dont know what the big deal is. I say religion makes things so much more complicated and i certainly dont try to force that message upon everyone.

What does everyone else think? :)

Smankyou
05-16-2004, 05:12 AM
I have zero tolerance for people that try to force their own beliefs on others.

MisterQ
05-16-2004, 05:14 AM
It bugs me to no end.

tall_one
05-16-2004, 05:20 AM
I have zero tolerance for people that try to force their own beliefs on others.
ditto

Domino
05-16-2004, 05:22 AM
I believe forcing any type of opinion on someone else is wrong, let alone religion. I believe all religions are right, even athiesm, and just see another side of the elephant that another religion does.

star
05-16-2004, 05:24 AM
This is something that everyone agrees on.

Even people who are forcing their religon on someone don't want another religon forced on them and usually don't even see that they are forcing their religon (or beliefs) on someone else.

Lee
05-16-2004, 05:26 AM
andylover, thoes e-mails are the same as other spams that people receive everyday. I treat them the same as those selling viagra :p or mortgage, etc, etc. Basically, I don't even bother to read them.

star
05-16-2004, 05:29 AM
I haven't gotten any of them. :)

MisterQ
05-16-2004, 05:32 AM
I haven't gotten any of them. :)

because you are a lost cause... :p ;)

Smankyou
05-16-2004, 05:32 AM
I think it's important to learn about cultures and religions that differ to your own, but out of your own free will.

And I have a moral dilemma with all these missionaries that my friends go on. Sure... they feed, read, and clothe those less fortunate, but then they throw a bible at them. *sigh*

MisterQ
05-16-2004, 05:35 AM
I have told people for years that I am the Messiah, but nobody listens...

Lee
05-16-2004, 05:38 AM
I have told people for years that I am the Messiah, but nobody listens...

You didn't notice your have tons of follower here :eek: :worship:

CooCooCachoo
05-16-2004, 09:03 AM
I am not that into religion, at all.. Most religions are probably good in its core, but the way some people practise it is plain hypocritical.

Domino
05-16-2004, 09:13 AM
You know what I notice as well, that we as tennis fans seem are very tolerating to other peoples and religion, especially on this board because tennis players are all unique, relgion and otherwise, and that we as fans relate to the fact that all of them are players who accept each other as well. We ourselves are very different, yet treat each other as equals because it is not the lifestyle or religion that counts, it's the person who does.

denim
05-16-2004, 10:47 AM
I tell people where to go who try and force religion on me, you get so many bible bashers in and around London with clipboards approaching people.....when you tell them you dont have a religion they just wont accept it or respect your views.

Theres a church about 200 yards from me who are always shoving crap through the door...one of the ten commandments should have been LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE !!!!

Leo
05-16-2004, 12:27 PM
And I have a moral dilemma with all these missionaries that my friends go on. Sure... they feed, read, and clothe those less fortunate, but then they throw a bible at them. *sigh*

I'm in the same situation. I was a bit disappointed with my Christian friend when she told me she was going on a summer trip with a missionary group to Africa. I understand and respect that she's very religious and has strong beliefs but that doesn't give her the right to force her beliefs on other people.

I agree with everyone on this thread.

Leo
05-16-2004, 12:33 PM
I have told people for years that I am the Messiah, but nobody listens...

:eek: But no! I tried to explain a month or so ago my devotion to you and you told me to find a more noble diety deserving of my worship. It was so upsetting that I even broke into tears. :sad: But now I understand that you were simply testing my faith and loyalty to you, oh radiant Messiah Q. :worship:

denim
05-16-2004, 12:35 PM
yes i think the general feeling on thread is people are allowed to be religious and follow a faith but respect others for saying no thanks its not for me. and doesnt the bible say that giving is more important than receiving?? well all i ever get is asked for money by these people for this and that, i never see any receiving my way.

Main reason i would never follow a faith and this sounds so arrogant but I have enough faith in myself and thats enough for me, I dont feel I need a master or a boss to control me so I can sleep at night.

Leo
05-16-2004, 12:39 PM
I don't believe in God because I have faith in Man.

denim
05-16-2004, 12:43 PM
I totally agree...me neither...

And look how many arseholes who have hit women or been alcoholics and caused peopel so much harm that find god in middle age.

Its a cop out !!! its using it as a publicity stunt so people say oh what a nice person they are now and lets excuse and forgive them.

trixy
05-16-2004, 12:44 PM
I do believe in god. I dont really have set faith that I follow and if I did the first faith I would look to would be that of my family. For me personally believing in god it gives me more purpose in my own life.

As for enforcing religion on others that just wrong, there should be no complusion in religion.

denim
05-16-2004, 12:54 PM
Religion causes nothing but shit, if people just got on with life and faced whats in front of them and used survival instincts instead of needing a god like animals do life would be so much more pleasent relaxed enjoyable and great.

you get bombs going off kids getting shot, murders all in the name of religion...does it fkn matter who created the world or who or what spirit controls the world??? deal with it as it happens ... and going into a church and singing hymns and repeating prayers like some robot does not make you a better or nicer person. you are born naturalyl nice or kind or your not, I dont guidance from the lord changes thats fact...

Trust me on this one..if you took out religion the world would be a MUCH HAPPIER place !!!!

Leo
05-16-2004, 01:04 PM
Although I'm certainly not a fan of religion, seeing at all the harm and destruction that's been done in the name of it since the beginning of mankind, I embrace religious diversity. I completely understand why some people choose to have faith in God although I have not chosen that path for myself. So if people want to follow God in their lives, then good for them. The problems I have with religion are when it starts to influence political decisions (i.e. Bush in the US) - whatever happened to separation of Church and State?! - and, as denim mentioned, when people are killed due to differences in beliefs. If, as a society, we could be more accepting and less focused on spreading personal/individual beliefs, religion would not be harmful.

trixy
05-16-2004, 01:05 PM
You know i dont think its religion that creates all these problems I think its man itself. You cant honestly believe that if their was no religion there would be no wars?? they would happen for some other idiotic reason.

If their is no belief in anything thats what leads to the most atrocious things happen. There has to be more to life and thats the way i see it because if their isnt u just live a totally meaningless existence. You cant just be ignorant and say if their was no religion everything would be better, thats taking the easy way out. You have to delve further as religion attempts not just get caught up in the shallow fasidities of life.

denim
05-16-2004, 01:14 PM
well its on competition i would never enter...catholics v protestants....hindu against christian and thats all it is nowdays and i am so happy o b an atheist and not part of all this crap.

and also I hate being patronised, I hate people saying oh well the child who got hit by drunk driver that was gods way of saying the child was special and needed and taken to a special place, not much comfort for the parents.

I telly ou what the next person at west croydon bus station that comes up to me and wont walk away when i say sorry not interested and I'm atheist, they will get a smack in the mouth and surprised it hasnt happened already and there wont be a holy gumshield dropping down for them.

AND i tlly ou why i am like this and so angry, as i have every fkn right to be an atheist its a free world and i am sick to death of being asked for money or to join churches and the whole thing !!! and if i get more and more people harrasing me with their religious stuff when i am out then they will find out denims religion which is when i say no and not interested that means go away or trouble.....and if peopel cant accept fact peopel dont belive in god thats pretty sad as I thought one of the keys to believing in god was acceptance !!!!!!!!!!!!

star
05-16-2004, 01:18 PM
I agree with that, Trixy.

People who think that religon is the cause of war are missing the point that religon is one of man's creation. Different religous beliefs can be a reason for hating one another, but people can hate one another for the color of their skin or other irrational reasons. While religon has led to fighting, there are many, many other things that have led to fighting as well. I think that religon is sometimes the excuse people use to hate one another.

star
05-16-2004, 01:23 PM
AND i tlly ou why i am like this and so angry, as i have every fkn right to be an atheist its a free world and i am sick to death of being asked for money or to join churches and the whole thing !!! and if i get more and more people harrasing me with their religious stuff when i am out then they will find out denims religion which is when i say no and not interested that means go away or trouble.....and if peopel cant accept fact peopel dont belive in god thats pretty sad as I thought one of the keys to believing in god was acceptance !!!!!!!!!!!!

This is what I tell Christians who try to convert me: In the new testament, some people who were trying to convert people in a community were having no success. They asked for advice and recieved this answer: Go to the edge of the city, shake the dust from your sandals, and return no more. So, I always say to these people.... shake the dust from your sandals. If they are truly religous and read the bible, they should know what that means. :)

PennyThePenguin
05-16-2004, 01:27 PM
I believe forcing any type of opinion on someone else is wrong, let alone religion. I believe all religions are right, even athiesm, and just see another side of the elephant that another religion does.

HEAR HEAR!!!
a few really close friends have been discovering their religious sides in the recent months... and i've been trying to be diplomatic whenever they start pushing it at me.

they're asking ppl to respect their religion and here they are trying to force feed you into submission? HELLO!!!!!!! hypocrisy maybe? if they weren't ppl i know to be completely sane non-religionwise, i'd have told them to beat it....which i did to the doorbell ringing evangelists actually.

MisterQ
05-16-2004, 02:57 PM
:eek: But no! I tried to explain a month or so ago my devotion to you and you told me to find a more noble diety deserving of my worship. It was so upsetting that I even broke into tears. :sad: But now I understand that you were simply testing my faith and loyalty to you, oh radiant Messiah Q. :worship:


Ah, dear dear Leo, you have been tested and proved yourself true unto Me. As it says in the Great Book, Q works in mysterious ways. *enter massive chorus intoning pure vowels* ;)

Lee
05-16-2004, 03:53 PM
Wow, can't believe this turns to full blown religious discussion!

Emm, I will go to church this morning is about 2 hours. For some people here who are continuously being pushed by other religious people, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't like a salesman knocking on my door trying to sell me anything and even I'm a religious person, I don't like someone knocking on my door trying to sell me religion. The only problem I have with all these kind of people is when you'll say no, they continue to push.

As for saying religious believes result in many wars, I always remember how some so called journalists, twisting and turning what people said and make news out of it.

I hope posters here can have a little bit tolerance for their friends or neighbours when they try to share their religion with you. From their point of view, they find something excellent and would like to share it with you. Don't you do it yourself sometimes? When my favourite player won a championship, I like to shout it out really loud so everyone hear. See how many posters try to say Nadal's butt is better than Roddick's ;)

:) end of my preaching and have a good day (In my heart I am saying God Bless though ;) )

star
05-16-2004, 05:14 PM
Yes, Lee, I think friends sharing with you something they think is wonderful is a lot different than people accosting you either at your door or on the street.

But it is difficult when I don't share their excitement. I have a religous backgroud. I find theology interesting and useful in my life, but I am not religous. It's not that I haven't been exposed to deeply religous people who I respect, but I don't have that psychological bent that it evidently takes to have a belief in the supernatural. So, it is difficult for me to listen to people who are spouting rather unexamined religous beliefs while keeping my mouth shut and not challenging them.

I've come to think that both belief and non belief are emotional choices. I think that there is something in man that desires to have a religous belief of some sort because having some religous system is common to nearly every culture past and present. But whatever it is that pulls man to this condition, I just don't have. I respect people who do believe and I don't hold out my non-belief to be superior to their belief. I simply wish religous people respected my non-belief.

I think it is very difficult to be an atheist in America. Maybe easier than to be on in Saudi Arabia...... but still...... :)

CooCooCachoo
05-16-2004, 06:03 PM
You know what I notice as well, that we as tennis fans seem are very tolerating to other peoples and religion, especially on this board because tennis players are all unique, relgion and otherwise, and that we as fans relate to the fact that all of them are players who accept each other as well. We ourselves are very different, yet treat each other as equals because it is not the lifestyle or religion that counts, it's the person who does.

Did Oprah agree, Dr. Phil? :p I do agree with you, though ;)

I actually have a bible myself. Have yet to read it though. But extreme religious behaviour and excessive signs of religion or the misuse of it can really make me sick. I was in Paris for school the other day (well, two months ago now) and we went to the Notre Dame too. So, we went in and I really got a bad feeling. Since when did the catholicism become money-making business? At the exit, there was a machine where you could listen to the Pope for like €5. Ridiculous! The same thing at the Sacré Coeur, where they were selling 'unique coins' of the church. That vending machine was part of a series by the way, that is what it said. And I don't need a Jehovah's witness at my door either. Shove it!

Now that may all sound quite harsh, but I really respect people who practise their religions at home. Wear a cross or a veil if you want to, but don't exploit it and don't force your thoughts on others. That goes for both politics and religion. Extravagancy isn't meant to be a part of religion anyway.

MisterQ
05-16-2004, 06:06 PM
Since when did the catholicism become money-making business?


Hundreds of years ago... ;)

As is the case with many world religions.

andylover_16
05-16-2004, 06:10 PM
Thanks for everyones responses!

Iza
05-16-2004, 07:25 PM
I can't stand ppl who think that ones that aren't the same religion are inferior. unfortuantely, my colleagues (who are all orthodox, i am catholic and catholics are a minority in romania) think that orthodoxes are better than us and keep on pityng us, not to mention their attitude towards muslim or jews or whatever. I'm not trying to say that all orthodoxes are like that, I'm far from believing that, bcos there are ppl of all religions that blive that they are better than the others.

Why can't ppl understand that there is diversity on this goddam earth? when will they understand it???!!!!!
that's why i hate gw bush's policy: he is so dumb and doesn't understand that muslims and iraqi ppl don't need americans and american or western culture!!!
but now i ashould turn this thread into a political one....

the idea is that ppl that try to force others to share their beliefs are just stupid and i hate them!

andylover_16
05-16-2004, 07:41 PM
I can't stand ppl who think that ones that aren't the same religion are inferior. unfortuantely, my colleagues (who are all orthodox, i am catholic and catholics are a minority in romania) think that orthodoxes are better than us and keep on pityng us, not to mention their attitude towards muslim or jews or whatever. I'm not trying to say that all orthodoxes are like that, I'm far from believing that, bcos there are ppl of all religions that blive that they are better than the others.

Why can't ppl understand that there is diversity on this goddam earth? when will they understand it???!!!!!
that's why i hate gw bush's policy: he is so dumb and doesn't understand that muslims and iraqi ppl don't need americans and american or western culture!!!
but now i ashould turn this thread into a political one....

the idea is that ppl that try to force others to share their beliefs are just stupid and i hate them!

I like you.

And i dont mind if you turn this into a political thread against mad cowboy Bush ;)

Lee
05-17-2004, 12:09 AM
Martijn, sorry you have the false illusion that God himself will keep Notre Dame standing. ;) It costs lots of money to maintain something that old and big.

My hubby was responsible to the maintenance of our church (in Canada) which is about 50 years old and trust me, God did not move a finger to help us fix the roof, repair the washing machine in the church hall kitchen and keep the church warm in the winter. ;)

And back to the topic. Everyday, we are force feed with lots of advertisement, promotions, pop-ups in MTF, etc. Religion is not the only one. Being a Catholic, I don't enjoy have Jehowah Witness knocking on my door. I also don't enjoy having average 15 telemarketing calls a day. The only thing I try to do is being more patient and tolerant. Those telemarketers on the phone are paid a minimum wage and trying to earn a living. Those Jehowah Witnesses belief in their religion like I belief in mine. I try to be more understanding and tolerant, that's all I can say although I can't do it everyday since I'm not a saint.

If there is bit more tolerance, a bit more patience and a bit more understanding toward each other in Middle-East, may be Peace will come.

star
05-17-2004, 12:11 AM
I liked that post, Lee. :)

denim
05-17-2004, 12:21 AM
The church in Purley 3 miles where i live....it says "Jesus saves" on poster outside but they never tell you what pension scheme he is with.

I came over badly in one of my earlier posts and more agressive than i wanted to be purely as i am fed up of being harrased by religious nuts at busy bus and train stations in london who when you say not intersted follow you about and will only leave u alone if u are agressive.

I think people who go out tryign to recruit for their religion are actually giving it a very poor and seedy profile as I always thought religion is somethign you find within yourself and seems nowdays to get treated like rounding up people to join a gym or squash club, and so often i hear "a financial contribution contribution from urself would be greatly appreciated" I am bloody sure it would and its just not happening, not out my pocket, theres two hopes...bob hope and no hope !!!

Lee
05-17-2004, 12:29 AM
denim, I'm really sorry about your experience. There are always black sheep in a family and hopefully, you won't judge all religious people by those you encounter. Actually, those are more cults using religions as a shield.

I always laughed whenever I saw the slogan, "Trust in God and you'll be saved". Well, I trust in God but if I kill, steal and cheat, I'll still be saved? That's not what religion teaches me. Somehow between trust in God and you'll be saved, that's a ton of work to be done.

denim
05-17-2004, 12:43 AM
Well I dont know if I can say I am atheist i know something is out there and we didnt evolve with a big bang, I just dont know what and am very open about it, who is to say god is a he or she or neither???? or is even called god???? we dont belive tabloids but we believe in a book written so long ago......

definetely other life planes and a spirit world out there, I know as i have had some very strange experiences.....I just dont like way it is all told out like a story and all the religions give you different versions when in truth nobody will know untill we die, only then will we know the other life planes, its fact there is spirit world after you die and anyone who disbelives should do a ouaji board to find proof for themselves.

I love not knowing and having an open mind, I know something is there after we die for us to go on to.

And glad you agree with me on the commerical branding of religion which is bad with posters and slogans..........I really wish religions would not clash like football teams and accept and respect and Iza was spot on about Bush, he is probably biggest stirrer and trouble maker when it comes to world religion.

PennyThePenguin
05-17-2004, 03:29 AM
Lee, i like your way of practising your faith. believing in it and hoping that others will one day believe too, but not trying to impose it on all and sundry

i think most of us here do not really have a big problem with religion and ppl practising their religion. what irks us is the fact that while we respect the fact that they have their religious faith and are ttrying to hold true to their beliefs, they're not respecting our own beliefs and our own way of thinking.

i've got a classmate who was trying to evangelise to me and asking for respect and tolerance for her beliefs, then she shot herself in the foot by expressing her disdain and disgust about her own mother's religious leanings, which were contrary to hers of course. and THAT'S the sort of thing i cannot tolerate.

CooCooCachoo
05-17-2004, 06:46 AM
And i dont mind if you turn this into a political thread against mad cowboy Bush

Mad cow disease should be exterminated. :p

Martijn, sorry you have the false illusion that God himself will keep Notre Dame standing. It costs lots of money to maintain something that old and big.

There are other ways than to demand money to listen to sick prayers. What the pope says is controversial to say the least. And they demand a fee to enter anyway. And the city of Paris gives them money. Asking money for burning a candle, that I can understand. It's just the commercial part of it (the coins, prayers) that bothers me. And I don't have the false illusion that God will keep the Notre Dame or Sacré Coeur standing, as I don't have the illusion that God exists anyway.

And 15 calls a day from telemarketeers? I already get annoyed if I get one a day.. :p

Those Jehowah Witnesses belief in their religion like I belief in mine.

They can believe whatever they like, but they don't have to go on a crusade to convince others of their mighty religion, which is the only correct one. And there is no need for being so pushy either, as it is counterproductive. If the just practise their religion quietly, I am sure that they would have more sincere followers than they have now.


I really wish religions would not clash like football teams and accept and respect and Iza was spot on about Bush, he is probably biggest stirrer and trouble maker when it comes to world religion.

Maybe one day God will sponsor Manchester United, Buddha coaches Arsenal, Allah manages Liverpool and so on.. ;)