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Has our Rogi gotten arrogant?

LCeh
05-16-2004, 01:30 AM
Some stuff being discussed here (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=10423&page=8&pp=15).

Just look through page 7-9, most of the stuff is discussed there.

I hope Rogi hasn't changed like others have said! :mad:

What do you guys think?

Dana
05-16-2004, 03:08 AM
Maybe I have a twisted mind but I like to hear players saying that they are good, they are the best, that they are feeling good, that they feel they can play great tennis and beat everyone... :D (Like the post Safin postmatch interview after his lost in Hambourg.... :rolleyes: ).

A lot is in the way it's said and Rogi looked so cute, smiling when he said those words that could be interpreted for arrogance when read without context and not heard.. But for me, it wasn't...

Could be strange to hear the #1, or #2, or #3, .... in the world saying that after a win, well, he's not playing that well, it was just luck and everybody finally can beat them! :rolleyes:

btw Dirk, good answers in the discussion about that in Coria forum!

LCeh
05-16-2004, 03:16 AM
Yeah, I didn't take it badly as well. I thought it was a sign of confidence and expectation of himself. Of course Federer wouldn't have said it before, he wasn't as mentally strong and consistant.

Let's all hope that Rogi will not actually get arrogant though! *fingers crossed*

Shy
05-16-2004, 03:37 AM
Like I had said, he might seem overconfidence or a tiny bit arrogance sometimes, but it normal when you are an athlete, especially with all the praise and being no1 . You know even when people are kissing his ass like when they ask if he consider himself a favorite for RG, he would be joking around and saying that he need to past first round first. Last week, he even when off at the reporters by saying that Costa is a great players and it is direspectful that he were not given credit.So, you know people are always quick on pointing the bad things about a player. For instance, Roddick isn't as arrogant as people said, my friend met him. I think that people think he has gotten arrogant just because he is more confidence than again I don't know him.

LCeh
05-16-2004, 03:39 AM
Thanks a lot for the explanation Shy. Yeah, I was worried a bit at first, cause Roger didn't use to be this confident. But now that he is confident people think he is arrogant. As long as he can back it up, I am happy. :)

Shy
05-16-2004, 03:43 AM
Jonh Macenroe once said that an athlete need to have at least an inch of arrogance to perform well in individual sport.

Neely
05-16-2004, 03:49 AM
no, I deny to say that Federer was arrogant in his interview. I think that was PURE confidence. Becker stated that Roger is certainly realizing (he can deal more and more better with him as #1) that he is the number one and there is nothing wrong at all if you to have confidence if you are winning matches like Roger did. Becker said he finally likes it that Federer is not always just hiding and understating, but also saying "hey, I can beat everyone on every surface!". I agree with Becker in that point. If you ARE winning like Roger does and if you let your results speak for themselves like Roger does, there is nothing wrong at all.

I remember very well that he was asked in a interview right after his match against Hewitt today in German TV how he was playing. He said (in German) he was very glad with game and he also mastered the most difficult part of the match, what was not winning 6-0, but putting Hewitt finally away and slamming the door after he got broken back. Roger said it was the most difficult part of the match not letting Hewitt coming back as he broke back to make it 5-4*, but instantly breaking Hewitt's serve again to close out the match.

He was also asked if he can understand the people who were mainly cheering for Hewitt in the 2nd set. Roger said something like "yes, of course, I can understand that. The people here want to see more tennis, they want to see a third set or maybe a tiebreak, but I can't allow that because if you let it slip away you can find yourself down and trailing quickly. It could be a fatal breakup in my game. Sorry (with a little shyly smile), but I may show no mercy". (it's not exactly word by word, but it's 100% the sense). Roger said "it was one of my best matches on clay!" He was also very optimistic rating his chances for tomorrow: "I didn't expect winning so easily, but now I'm realizing that I have good chances to win this tournament."

Finally he was asked for his prospect concerning Roland Garros and Roger said "winning of course" and one question was also "what do your opponents have to do in order to beat you?" Roger: "they have to just play tennis, but a mediocre form on that day will probably not be enough against me".

BTW, Roger also mentioned Coria's incredible winning streak and said that he couldn't have gotten a tougher opponent. So there is not disrespect to his opponents at all.

the only thing I see there in Roger's words is that he has HUGE confidence, maybe it reads arrogant if you just read his words, but it absolutely wasn't arrogant if you heard him talking and answering the questions. He wasn't unfriendly, or short-spoken or didn't act exclusive. In my eyes, what I saw was a confident (not over-confident) player who feels that he is in good form. :bounce:

LCeh
05-16-2004, 03:53 AM
:worship:

Thanks for the analysis Neely!!

lsy
05-16-2004, 04:52 AM
No.

People who said that just didn't read all his interviews or watch him in the interviews. He doesn't have any sign of arrogance except for confident. It's a pity some likes to just pick on part of it then make a big deal out of it. I don't even know which part of his interviews actually showed even a slight sign of "arrogance" that's not justifiable? He always analysed the matches or his opponents in the most honest and sincere way. If the opponents played lousy and gave him the match, he will say so, or if the opponent was tired and played more matches than him, he will say so, or if the opponent make errors and gave him the advantage, he will say so. Same as if he simply play too good, he will say so too. Commenting on him being "arrogant" on court is even more laughable. He's one player who plays the least "intimidating" acts to his opponents on court, the only way he intimidates his opponents is just his tennis. The thing is people will always choose to see what they like to see, most importantly is Roger to stay himself and not be affected by that which he had been so far.

Besides with the way he's playing right now, trying to understate that will be just fake imo. I'm glad he's not.

Neely, good post.

WyveN
05-16-2004, 04:53 AM
Probably the arrogant quote is this one......

I'm good enough to beat all these people. I know that. I showed that to myself after the last two matches. Therefore I'm looking forward to every match. It doesn't matter whom I will play on clay. As long as my level is alright. I consider myself to be a clay court specialist as well, otherwise I wouldn't have won tournaments like Munich and Hamburg and the finals in Rome and the Davis Cup matches. I know how good I am."

It does just sound like honesty, Roger always says it how it is, he has always been like that. I remmember early in his career when he went up against Agassi prior to the match Roger said something like "Obviously I want to win but I don't think I am good enough to beat Agassi at this stage but I will give it 100%".

Arrogance to me is if Roger said "Hewitt has very little chance against me if I play anywhere close to my best".
What Roger said prior to the Moya match was just his belief that if his playing well he has a chance to beat any clay court specialists on clay and that is true.

WyveN
05-16-2004, 05:04 AM
At the end of the day, if Roger continues to play as well as he has this year he will gain more and more haters who will find any excuse to criticise him, everyone likes a underdog but once you actually get to the top you are suddenly not so well liked.

lsy
05-16-2004, 05:15 AM
Very true wyvern and if people bother to read his interview after he beat Moya, he acknowledged that it's tough for Moya to play back to back TMS especially coming from previous one as winner. If he's arrogant, he will just focus the win on him being good, beating a player who had been on great form, that's all.

Arrogance to me is maybe after he was beaten by Costa, he just blamed it on him not playing his best, instead he analysed it well that Costa changed tactics, becoming more aggressive in 2nd set and he just couldn't cope with it. Even after his loss to Nadal, he just said that the 17 years old was too good for him that day downplaying the fact that he's recovering from sickness.

I hate arrogant people, that's why I hate people saying Roger is arrogant when he's clearly not, I don't know why people can't see it really :rolleyes:

ytben
05-16-2004, 07:40 AM
Well said guys. I can't see anything wrong with his interview either. What's so wrong with him believing that he can beat any guys? I will be more worried if he said he is only lucky to beat those clay courters. He should have that confidence to hold on to his #1. If he doesn't believe he can beat a guy prior to a match, he already lost the match before it starts.
Some of the comments in the Coria forum are funny though as they are so unreasonable. They said it is ok for thinking like he can beat any guys but not say it out loud? LOL, so being fake is better than honesty it seems.

Very true Wyv, if Rogi keep going this well, we will have a Swiss Chesse Melter thread in GM soon.

misyou25
05-16-2004, 08:00 AM
yes, i

misyou25
05-16-2004, 08:01 AM
he has gotten

moonlight
05-16-2004, 08:19 AM
LOL, so being fake is better than honesty it seems.
Exactly, ytben, lots of people prefer fake humility than honesty. So I am not surprised that people think he is arrogant while he is just being honest about his ability and confidence, which every tennis player must have to win matches.

And the way he gave credit to Costa when he lost to him in Rome does not suggest arrogance at all, but the opposite.

I agree with the way MARTINA NAVRATILOVA described him during AO. "And I like his demeanor, as well. He's just very -- what you see is what you get." :cool:

yanchr
05-16-2004, 10:41 AM
LCeh, I'm even a little surprised that you as a Roger fan will have such a question. Yes, Roger has changed, but he is just becoming unprecedentedly confident, not that he has changed his inside humble and gentle personality. Like some of you said, if you have that kind of results on all surfaces and are already the world No1 and becoming the one that is always hunted for, is there anything wrong to say such things? Not to mention that I personally like that if you think you can do sth just say it out. I myself am a guy of such kind. If you are too humble when you actually should not be, it'll sound arrogant to me. We all know that Roger is a guy who will always say what is really in his mind, and don't we all like it?

Dirk
05-16-2004, 02:26 PM
IS ROGER ARROGANT?? NO HE IS JUST RIGHT!!!!!!!! DEAL WITH IT :baby: OF MTF!!!!!!!!

Mrs. B
05-16-2004, 02:28 PM
agree with you guys, he's NOT arrogant, he speaks with full confidence being number one and knowing he's playing good tennis right now. also he never fails to mention good things about other players, and gives them credit and phrases. Roger is a very fair player, and he knows the responsibility that comes with being the world's best player. in writing if may seem like arrogance, but on the contrary, when you watch him answer these questions on tv, he's actually smiling and being self ironic. you can't please everyone, esp. some fans whose faves Roger rolls over. But hey, that's tennis, or it comes with any sport. they'll always find something negative about a player even if he's just doing his thing. oder? ;)

i don't know Roger personally, but i've followed him for a long time now, and i know that he's still the same nice person, underneath it all. even his friends in Switzerland say that he hasn't changed at all just because he's very successful in his career now, and that's what they appreciate in him.

:)

LCeh
05-16-2004, 08:37 PM
LCeh, I'm even a little surprised that you as a Roger fan will have such a question. Yes, Roger has changed, but he is just becoming unprecedentedly confident, not that he has changed his inside humble and gentle personality. Like some of you said, if you have that kind of results on all surfaces and are already the world No1 and becoming the one that is always hunted for, is there anything wrong to say such things? Not to mention that I personally like that if you think you can do sth just say it out. I myself am a guy of such kind. If you are too humble when you actually should not be, it'll sound arrogant to me. We all know that Roger is a guy who will always say what is really in his mind, and don't we all like it?

I am sorry yanchr :sad: , I still wasn't that used to the new confident Rogi. ;)

calimero
05-17-2004, 07:24 AM
I'm disagree with the most people here.
He has a lot of confidence now.
And he was just much better than Hewitt.
Why he won otherwise so big. 6-0 6-4!
he hits a lot of winners.
And his serve was just great (except the game for 5-3)
one thing: HE IS NOT ARROGANT!!!!
Its sad some people supposed that.
its unfair.
GO ROGI!!!
OUR REAL CHAMPION!

Zetlandsk
05-17-2004, 07:28 AM
No, Roger is not arrogant, I think Greg Rusedski would come into that category.

lsy
05-17-2004, 12:42 PM
Coria's interview :
Q: You were a set up and nearly a break up in the second set. It looked as if you would get on top. Why did that not happen?

CORIA: I started on a very high level. In the second set, he broke my serve but I got the rebreak immediately. At 4:5, he won the first ball, which was very important because it gave him the chance to win the set and his confidence got much higher after winning it.

The difference was that Federer was physically on a higher level. That’s what made him win the match.

Roger's interview
Q: He said that physically you were better than him in the second half of the match. Did you have that feeling?

FEDERER: Yes, definitely because he started to miss more shots. I could feel that he wasn’t too happy with himself or with his game. Especially when I won the second set, he started to get really down. Could be that he had problems with the blister or somewhere else with his body which I totally understand. Because it’s the worst when you want but the body doesn’t want. Whatever, it was important for me to come back in the second set and stay aggressive and get an early lead in the third.

That's what I meant. Rogi never failed to take into other considerations for his win, such as his opponents conditions etc instead of just saying he played well. How is he arrogant may I ask? Seems to be Coria might be the one being slight arrogant implying that Rogi only won coz he's physically unfit. Anyway that's out of topic here.

yanchr
05-17-2004, 01:27 PM
I am sorry yanchr :sad: , I still wasn't that used to the new confident Rogi. ;)
No, not necessary to say sorry to me...say it to Rogi ;)
:D

yanchr
05-17-2004, 01:34 PM
CORIA: I started on a very high level. In the second set, he broke my serve but I got the rebreak immediately. At 4:5, he won the first ball, which was very important because it gave him the chance to win the set and his confidence got much higher after winning it.

The difference was that Federer was physically on a higher level. Thatís what made him win the match.
:rolleyes: yeah lsy, it seems like that Rogi won it JUST BECAUSE he was physically better :rolleyes: can't those guys just act more classy like Rogi :rolleyes: Totally irrespectful toward his opponent :rolleyes: And what a big difference between Rogi and those! He just didn't mention a single word about his being sick in Miami...

lsy
05-17-2004, 01:58 PM
Let's leave the discussion of Coria out here, yanchr. We're more interested in discussing about Rogi :)

I love reading Rogi's interview, coz each time he analysed the match, it's almost exactly how I saw it too. Here's another e.g of how Rogi is direct and honest.

Q: Was there any specific reason why you couldn’t find you rhythm at the beginning?

FEDERER: Nothing. It’s got something to do with my opponent. Because you know he will make returns and you know you will have to hit the serve harder than you have been doing. Then when he starts running down some balls, he tried to overhit. That’s credit to him. Because having (I think it's "haven't" he meant from the video) served so poorly almost the whole tournament long. But this is because I knew I was going to play a good return player.

Didn't blame it on the ball, court, wind, nerves whatsoever, but just said because his opponent is good. How is he arrogant may I ask AGAIN :rolleyes:?

WyveN
05-17-2004, 02:03 PM
the whole interview was very interesting, his thoughts about FO, being #1, winning finals etc

Here is a quote from there about the FO

"And if I should lose early, itís not a disaster because I know that my opponent must have played well. This year I wonít be there just for the stats."

:lol:

lsy
05-17-2004, 02:21 PM
the whole interview was very interesting, his thoughts about FO, being #1, winning finals etc

Here is a quote from there about the FO

"And if I should lose early, it’s not a disaster because I know that my opponent must have played well. This year I won’t be there just for the stats."

:lol:

wyvern you know, by quoting the above, people are going to say Rogi's arrogant again, of course completely missing his point ;)

His interview is always interesting and to watch him talking about it was even more funny. Can't sense even a bit of arrogance. But then of course more than half of the time I have no idea what's he talking about :help: :lol:

novanora
05-17-2004, 03:30 PM
maybe not arrogant, just confident....;) it's quite different between those two....

tangerine_dream
05-17-2004, 08:01 PM
Being confident is not the same thing as being arrogant, and Roger seems to have become much more confident in his game lately. Sometimes in his interviews he DOES come off as being arrogant but I think that's largely a translation problem. I'm not worried about it. http://212.67.202.147/~ricordanza74/dump/banana2.GIF

tschaeggy
05-18-2004, 11:25 AM
rogi wouldn.t be nr1 if he had not this great self-confidence! this has nothing to do with arrogance. he's still the same he was before getting so well-known in the whole world! (sorry about my english :confused: , hope you understand what i mean )
sure if he says "i am a good player, i can win all players" that this has an arrogant touch, but he doesn't mean it like it sounds!
so go on rogi, stay the same as you are and be proud of yourself :bowdown: :banana:
we are very proud of you, having such a sympathic champion in our little country :dance: :yeah: :crazy:

rogicomel
05-19-2004, 12:43 AM
I remember watching a short interview with Lynette (Roger's mom) on CNN right after his triumph at the Aussie Open. I had no idea what the Q was all about but I think she was asked to describe who is Roger, and she said this "Roger Federer is an easy-go-lucky guy, he's very open, very honest, very joyful, and he's very natural."

Gonzo Hates Me!
05-26-2004, 05:15 PM
I have always thought Roger was a bit cocky... always, ha. But he isn't conceited, or arrogant even--just optimistic, has a lot of pride, self-worth, self-belief, and isn't afraid to show it.

Dirk
05-26-2004, 06:31 PM
Mrs. Guga where have you been? Oh and are you excited about Guga possibly meeting Roger?

Gonzo Hates Me!
05-27-2004, 03:10 PM
I am not excited b/c I think Guga will get his ass whooped!! Ha, oh well!!!!