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Thailand or South Korea

Chloe le Bopper
07-19-2007, 11:29 PM
I wrote about this on wtaworld already, but I could use as much input as possible and I know that some people here don't post on the other board. So, here I am, double posting my thread :)

I'm looking for some advice from anybody who has been to one of these lovely countries, or even just have second hand remarks to pass on.

I'm applying to teach in both. I already know that, due to the exchange, there is far more money to be had in South Korea. I also know that even though I'd be making peanuts in Canadian funds if I worked in Thailand, that it's dirt cheap to live over there, so my standard of living would still be relatively high by Thai standards. I have a rough idea of the climate and obstacles that I may face in both (working conditions, treatment of foreigners, etc.)

I'm really just looking for comments from anybody who has experience with either country that might want to offer some advice to help tip me one way or the other. Negative, positive... all commentary is welcome.

I have discussed the matter with some of you personally in other threads in the past. I'm looking to go in September, towards the end of the month is most likely at this point.

El Legenda
07-19-2007, 11:31 PM
i cant help you

but whats up :)

my0118
07-19-2007, 11:33 PM
I live in South Korea :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
07-19-2007, 11:33 PM
Vamos Ljubo,

Not a heck of a lot! Just studying my options. I can't wait to get out of here. Going away will give me a chance to experience another culture, expose myself to a new language (possibly languages, depending on where I go), give me something to write about, a job with purpose... I can't wait! But at the same time, I must prepare for the negatives.

What is up with you?

Chloe le Bopper
07-19-2007, 11:36 PM
I live in South Korea :wavey:

Anything imparticular you would want to pass on to a Canadian thinking of teaching English in your country? :)

The climate, from what I've read about it, is quite similar to the one I experience here. 4 seasons.. cool winters, humid summers. So that would be nothing new.

Wherever I go, whether it be South Korea or Thailand, I will definitely be interested in actively learning the language and culture. I don't wish to stick out like a sore thumb, take my money and run. That would be a waste of an experience.

It is worth noting that I will be travelling and working as a single female. I'm not sure what safety concerns this poses for either country. I'm also rather tall, so I might stick out like a sore thumb, no?

my0118
07-19-2007, 11:46 PM
well we are crazy about learning english (especially for kids) even though most people actually don't speak well. and I don't know quite well actually how the foreign english teacher system is working, but there are a bunch of english institutions over here.
but I'm not sure what exactly you want to know about us, so ask in detail? :)

Chloe le Bopper
07-20-2007, 12:03 AM
well we are crazy about learning english (especially for kids) even though most people actually don't speak well. and I don't know quite well actually how the foreign english teacher system is working, but there are a bunch of english institutions over here.
but I'm not sure what exactly you want to know about us, so ask in detail? :)

There are jobs available in both the public and private sectors. I haven't heard much good from people who had jobs in hogwans, which I gather are private intitutes where the children are crammed with as much information as possible, usually by rote? I'm still looking into that, though, as you have to be careful when reading a negative comment from somebody who has taught; generally you hear the bad, but not the positive, because the happy teachers are still over there living it up ;)

I guess I'm wondering what area you might recommend for somebody such as myself? Mid 20's, single female, looking for a large city (but not Seoul), curious about how the locals view the foreign teachers, wondering about personal safety, the night life, etc.

Even a summary of what you love and possibly don't like about your country would be great.

A lot of what I read on Korea comes from people who only travelled and worked there for a year or two. While some of this is worth reading it, a lot of it requires getting around some general racism, xenophobia, and negative from people who had poor experiences. I would consider the input of somebody native to the country to be very valuable.

El Legenda
07-20-2007, 12:08 AM
Vamos Ljubo,

Not a heck of a lot! Just studying my options. I can't wait to get out of here. Going away will give me a chance to experience another culture, expose myself to a new language (possibly languages, depending on where I go), give me something to write about, a job with purpose... I can't wait! But at the same time, I must prepare for the negatives.

What is up with you?

well i've been really busy doing nothing since May 14th(school ending) ill keep doing the same until Aug21(school start)

Chloe le Bopper
07-20-2007, 12:24 AM
well i've been really busy doing nothing since May 14th(school ending) ill keep doing the same until Aug21(school start)
Do you work to pass the time? Or at least binge drink?

El Legenda
07-20-2007, 12:33 AM
Do you work to pass the time? Or at least binge drink?

no work, i drink and travel, i was suppose to go to Croatia for 3 weeks but everyone in US is getting a passport now :rolleyes: and i didnt get mine in time :mad: so ill go to Canada and Cincy AMS, one last trip before school starts :lol:

my0118
07-20-2007, 03:34 AM
There are jobs available in both the public and private sectors. I haven't heard much good from people who had jobs in hogwans, which I gather are private intitutes where the children are crammed with as much information as possible, usually by rote? I'm still looking into that, though, as you have to be careful when reading a negative comment from somebody who has taught; generally you hear the bad, but not the positive, because the happy teachers are still over there living it up ;)

I guess I'm wondering what area you might recommend for somebody such as myself? Mid 20's, single female, looking for a large city (but not Seoul), curious about how the locals view the foreign teachers, wondering about personal safety, the night life, etc.

Even a summary of what you love and possibly don't like about your country would be great.

A lot of what I read on Korea comes from people who only travelled and worked there for a year or two. While some of this is worth reading it, a lot of it requires getting around some general racism, xenophobia, and negative from people who had poor experiences. I would consider the input of somebody native to the country to be very valuable.

well.. but all the information I can give you is about Seoul because I've never lived outside of here, I mean Seoul. Actually I live in Gangnam where there are tons of english institutes. maybe I can put the categories into two sections when it comes to foreign english teacher. the one who teaches for adults in general foreign institutes (either private or public), the other who teaches for kids. I think if you teach in publics like university or something that, you would be more reliable.
and speaking of the institutes where the childeren memorize everything they can, well, I guess you heared about our hogwon systems, but the institutes which I refered to is a little bit different. when it comes to hogwons, not only for english but for most of important subjects like maths or koreans, it's really common that we go to hogwons when we are in teen age to improve their school grades. it's not like we only are crammed with english, almost everything we are taught in school.

I don't know much about outside of Seoul, but it's quite safty IMO. but it doesn't mean I recommend you to go everywhere at night :) like other countries and areas, there are some safety areas while there are dangerous areas as well.

and general racism.. actually I think Caucasians are preferred behind the scenes, but when you go around, you won't feel anything special. even if you might feel somebody is looking at you,it's not like xenophobia, but simply out of curiosity of foreigners. :)

buddyholly
07-20-2007, 03:42 AM
I spend part of each year in Thailand. I am not sure I would like to work there. Even though Thais know that the foreigners have all the money, they still seem to think of themselves as having a better culture and therefore being better than the foreigners. The truth I think, is that when they move outside their own culture they are lost, and so find security in convincing themselves that their own environment is always best.

In truth I think most Thais consider that foreigners living in their country are justifiably considered as targets to exploit. And the courts can be depended on to side with the locals. Thus the jokes about the Thai wives that push their foreign husbands off the balcony: - and the court decides that it was not the wife's push that killed him, but the accidental contact of his head with the concrete on landing.

I also do not think I would like to be living and working outside the tourist areas. It would be hard to assimilate into the local culture.

Oliboyz
07-20-2007, 04:29 AM
[QUOTE=buddyholly;5708128]I spend part of each year in Thailand. I am not sure I would like to work there. Even though Thais know that the foreigners have all the money, they still seem to think of themselves as having a better culture and therefore being better than the foreigners. The truth I think, is that when they move outside their own culture they are lost, and so find security in convincing themselves that their own environment is always best.

Well, I don't think we think that our culture is better, but yes we feel lost hen we out of our culture.
However, sometimes we treat foreigner better than ourselves.
For example, If foreigner become a teacher in Thailand, u get 40,000-60,000Baht/month, But for Thai teacher, they get 10,000-12,000 Baht/month.
By the way, any question about thailand? if u think I can help, u can ask me. :D

Kolya
07-20-2007, 07:22 AM
Korea probably because Thailand got smashed by the shit Aussies.

my0118
07-20-2007, 12:30 PM
If you're not interested in being in Seoul I would personally choose Busan, but that's only 'cause I prefer being near the water. If that's not a big deal for you Cheon'an and Daejeon are getting pretty interesting these days as well.

yeah Busan is the second largest city in Korea, but Cheon-an is not a big city.
and if you're not choosing Seoul (in case you decide to go to SK), I recommend In-cheon. well I don't know your preference, but In-cheon is close to seoul (even connected by subway), pretty large, close to the sea as well, and no dialects.:tape: I'm not saying dialects is bad, but if you choose Busan, you probably learn korean dialects. :lol: and probably prices of In Cheon are more reasonable than those of Seoul.

Jim Jones
07-21-2007, 12:36 PM
Go to North Korea, the deserters, Jenkins and Dresnok, two brainless souls ended up teaching English there.

Richard_from_Cal
07-21-2007, 07:28 PM
Thailand has a heady sex trade. Whether it is related to the fact that it is more Buddhist than Japan, and able to be less isolated due to the fact that it isn't an island...I don't know. However, it is a notable "blip" up on the HIV or AIDS infected rates, in the countries of Asia. ...probably because of this. (Nikki Lauda, an Austrian formula One driver, had a planeload of tourists crash, in one of his chartered tours...some years back.--)

Korea, although not predominately Christian either, got it's Christianity...from China. That's right, overland. ...so... North Korea has Christians, under persecution.

vv---C.I.A. World Fact Book 2007 entries, for Thailand, and South Korea--vv
I know, spooky, but, it's a good resource. Like an online encyclopedia.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html
^^--Korea, South--^^
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/th.html
^^--Thailand--^^
.......................population................. ....................................
Thailand................South Korea................Japan (thrown in for contrast)
65,068,149............49,044,790..............127, 433,494

Jim Jones
07-21-2007, 08:15 PM
Most of the Chrisitans were from the North. After Soviets took the North and Korea was split into half many Christians fled to the South such as reverend Moon. But a lot remained behind. Kim Il Sungs parents were Christians too.

Richard_from_Cal
07-21-2007, 08:29 PM
... Kim Il Sungs parents were Christians too.
I did not know this.

Burrow
07-21-2007, 11:16 PM
hmmm dunno, but i have a friend from thailand who lives here, very nice guy, tells me all the stuff he ate in thailand - crocodile, shark, flies and a hell of a lot of strange (to me) stuff. :)

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 09:56 AM
and speaking of the institutes where the childeren memorize everything they can, well, I guess you heared about our hogwon systems, but the institutes which I refered to is a little bit different. when it comes to hogwons, not only for english but for most of important subjects like maths or koreans, it's really common that we go to hogwons when we are in teen age to improve their school grades. it's not like we only are crammed with english, almost everything we are taught in school.

Right. I didn't intend to imply that hogwans are simply for English. Merely that those are among those hiring English teachers. Either way, bleh. They sound awful.

I don't know much about outside of Seoul, but it's quite safty IMO. but it doesn't mean I recommend you to go everywhere at night :) like other countries and areas, there are some safety areas while there are dangerous areas as well.

I figured it was more or less like here in that regard, yes.

and general racism.. actually I think Caucasians are preferred behind the scenes, but when you go around, you won't feel anything special. even if you might feel somebody is looking at you,it's not like xenophobia, but simply out of curiosity of foreigners. :)

People look at me funny here too, so I'll feel right at home ;)

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 09:58 AM
Go to North Korea, the deserters, Jenkins and Dresnok, two brainless souls ended up teaching English there.
That's really helpful. Thanks!

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 10:00 AM
Well, I don't think we think that our culture is better, but yes we feel lost hen we out of our culture.
However, sometimes we treat foreigner better than ourselves.
For example, If foreigner become a teacher in Thailand, u get 40,000-60,000Baht/month, But for Thai teacher, they get 10,000-12,000 Baht/month.
By the way, any question about thailand? if u think I can help, u can ask me. :D

Thanks. :)

Is there anything in the way of resentment towards the foreign teachers who step in and make 5-10 times more than local teachers, simply because they sport a nice accent and a particular passport?

I like to think that I would be resentful if I was in the other shoes ;)

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 10:02 AM
If you're not interested in being in Seoul I would personally choose Busan, but that's only 'cause I prefer being near the water. If that's not a big deal for you Cheon'an and Daejeon are getting pretty interesting these days as well.

I have more or less narrowed my preferences to Busan or Incheon, at this point.

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 10:04 AM
yeah Busan is the second largest city in Korea, but Cheon-an is not a big city.
and if you're not choosing Seoul (in case you decide to go to SK), I recommend In-cheon. well I don't know your preference, but In-cheon is close to seoul (even connected by subway), pretty large, close to the sea as well, and no dialects.:tape: I'm not saying dialects is bad, but if you choose Busan, you probably learn korean dialects. :lol: and probably prices of In Cheon are more reasonable than those of Seoul.
What's wrong if I learn a dialect? Let's say that I do learn a local dialect. Will I be understood when travelling to other parts of Korea? Keeping in mind that this depends in part on my accent... let's just say I manage to minimize the accent and not sound like I'm speaking with my mouth full.

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 11:34 AM
This alone won't prevent me from going to South Korea, but WTF?
Foreigners Face Restricted Banking (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2007/07/123_6993.html)

Stupid question, but if I can't open a new bank account within the first three months, how the bloody fuck do I get paid? Wire the money back to my Canadian account? Gee, that's convenient.

I can overlook the limits on ATM withdrawals and online transfers, but the rest of this is horseshit for a country that has interest in attracting foreign workers.

my0118
07-23-2007, 02:36 PM
What's wrong if I learn a dialect? Let's say that I do learn a local dialect. Will I be understood when travelling to other parts of Korea? Keeping in mind that this depends in part on my accent... let's just say I manage to minimize the accent and not sound like I'm speaking with my mouth full.

well actually, not a problem. you will be completely understood.

This alone won't prevent me from going to South Korea, but WTF?
Foreigners Face Restricted Banking (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2007/07/123_6993.html)

Stupid question, but if I can't open a new bank account within the first three months, how the bloody fuck do I get paid? Wire the money back to my Canadian account? Gee, that's convenient.

I can overlook the limits on ATM withdrawals and online transfers, but the rest of this is horseshit for a country that has interest in attracting foreign workers.

I think it's better you get the information from those who are living in SK as a foreigner and have a experience about it.
but the article said it's not decided yet. :scratch:

Chloe le Bopper
07-23-2007, 03:44 PM
If it has decided, that more or less decides whether or not I'm going. Why would I want to go somewhere that wants me to work without my own bank account? That puts way too much trust in the hands of my employers. I'll wait and see how this plays out before I decide, but it'd be a pity if the Korean government was actually foolish enough to let this pass. I'd expect treatment like that from the North ;)

my0118
07-24-2007, 12:40 AM
I read the article in korean. it says the reason they try to change the law is to protect from bank fraud through telephone (nowadays it seems this fraud is increasing). so the amount of withdrawal in ATM will be reduced for koreans as well. and also it says if you could prove that you are staying more than three months, I think you won't have problems for making a bank account. (I guess it already says in the article you linked)

my0118
07-24-2007, 12:02 PM
Most of the Chrisitans were from the North. After Soviets took the North and Korea was split into half many Christians fled to the South such as reverend Moon. But a lot remained behind. Kim Il Sungs parents were Christians too.

I haven't read your post. but this shows you don't know about koreans for sure.
there are tons of christians in South Korea. I'm even bothered by these korean christians. (I don't believe in a particular religion)

Oliboyz
07-25-2007, 07:55 AM
Thanks. :)

Is there anything in the way of resentment towards the foreign teachers who step in and make 5-10 times more than local teachers, simply because they sport a nice accent and a particular passport?

nice accent yes, there are many international schools that need lots of foreign teachers. (assume most Thai people cannot speak English as good as western people) Moreover, it will be better for you to teach here if you bring some certificate when you apply.:)

I have some of friends who are English teachers here, so if interested, ask me more. :cool:

Chloe le Bopper
07-25-2007, 08:54 AM
I read the article in korean. it says the reason they try to change the law is to protect from bank fraud through telephone (nowadays it seems this fraud is increasing). so the amount of withdrawal in ATM will be reduced for koreans as well. and also it says if you could prove that you are staying more than three months, I think you won't have problems for making a bank account. (I guess it already says in the article you linked)
Thanks for clarifying. I perhaps jumped the gun with concern over that one.

Scotso
07-26-2007, 03:05 AM
I have a friend who has taught in China, Japan, Korea, and Indonesia. Korea was her least favorite. She said the people there can be rather racist, and tend to think that they're entirely superior. Also, it's hard to get around Korea without being able to read some of the language... they don't put much in English, and they're supposedly not as eager to help foreigners as some others. I don't know anyone that's taught in Thailand, but my friends that have been there have loved it.

Personally I've heard that the best places to teach in Asia are China and Vietnam. Japan is also nice, but very expensive... and it doesn't really have the same cultural experiences the others offer.

Scotso
07-26-2007, 03:07 AM
And I don't want that ^ to offend our Korean poster here, those aren't my words and I'm just passing on information. And all people are different, my friend was just speaking generally.

my0118
07-26-2007, 02:38 PM
And I don't want that ^ to offend our Korean poster here, those aren't my words and I'm just passing on information. And all people are different, my friend was just speaking generally.

yeah I know you didn't intend to offend me, but how could you judge and generalize us by hearing from only one person? :rolleyes:
actually I don't like those who come over here for teaching us english, because I have a feeling that they act like they are better than us or look down on us. but probably it's not true for some of them, so if they want to get a job for teaching and making some money, I'm totally okay with it and even I want to help them out something they don't know.
we have bad things and good things like most people have. yeah we have a little tendency to act brusquely to strangers but we don't feel ourselves extremely superior and we're not RACISTS.

Chloe le Bopper
07-26-2007, 06:33 PM
actually I don't like those who come over here for teaching us english, because I have a feeling that they act like they are better than us or look down on us. but probably it's not true for some of them, so if they want to get a job for teaching and making some money, I'm totally okay with it and even I want to help them out something they don't know.

I don't imagine that most whom go over consider themselves "better" than Koreans. However, it is without doubt that there are some Westerners who go over there with the attitude that the USA/Canada/Austuralia/UK/whatever is better and that Korea is just some developing nation who they are throwing a bone to for a short while. These are the people that go over and expect to be treated like Kings and Queens, unlike those of us whom are interested in learning your language and culture.

we have bad things and good things like most people have. yeah we have a little tendency to act brusquely to strangers but we don't feel ourselves extremely superior and we're not RACISTS.

A number of Westernerns on other forums who have had poor Korea experiences tend to whine about this "superiority". I wonder if it isn't really just more a misunderstanding of Korean pride? Frankly, neither will bother me too much. It will be nothing compared to what my current southern neighbours have (love the US, but they're trained from birth ty believe they live in the best country on earth, and to repeat this, whether or not they've atually travelled anywhere else) ;)

I expect to find some Koreans that aren't happy to have me there, just as I expect some Koreans are going to expect me to be a Western snob. The stereotype does exist. All I can do is be me and know that I'm not the stereotype ;)

my0118
07-26-2007, 11:32 PM
I didn't think you're the stereotype. :) if you were, you probably wouldn't post before going to Thiland or here to have some tips.
Well, now I don't know what 'superiority' they refer to is.. if you can give some examples?

Scotso
07-27-2007, 01:15 AM
yeah I know you didn't intend to offend me, but how could you judge and generalize us by hearing from only one person? :rolleyes:

I didn't. I didn't make any determination about Korea whatsoever, and I wouldn't, because I've never been. As I said, I was simply passing along information. And I have heard it from more than one person, so I think it's valid enough to say it. A lot of people that go to Korea feel that Koreans don't treat them as well as many other Asians do. And your admitted attitude towards them makes it seem that it might indeed be the case:

I don't like those who come over here for teaching us english, because I have a feeling that they act like they are better than us or look down on us. but probably it's not true for some of them, so if they want to get a job for teaching and making some money, I'm totally okay with it and even I want to help them out something they don't know.

I have trouble believing that many of the people who go over there to teach English think they're better than Koreans. Some of them, maybe. But most people do it because they want to go and experience the culture... you don't get rich teaching English in Asia.

my0118
07-27-2007, 05:28 AM
I didn't. I didn't make any determination about Korea whatsoever, and I wouldn't, because I've never been. As I said, I was simply passing along information. And I have heard it from more than one person, so I think it's valid enough to say it. A lot of people that go to Korea feel that Koreans don't treat them as well as many other Asians do. And your admitted attitude towards them makes it seem that it might indeed be the case
I have trouble believing that many of the people who go over there to teach English think they're better than Koreans. Some of them, maybe. But most people do it because they want to go and experience the culture... you don't get rich teaching English in Asia.

okay you've heard from more than one person, then fine.
but your kindly passed information was included some offend words like racists. what do you expect from me when we're told being racists by someone who has never been over here and her/his friends? do I ought to be obligated to still like them? I didn't say I don't like them in the first place.

maybe I carelessly concluded what I'd thought about them, but even if it's not the case they think they're better than us, but certainly some of them gave a piece of their mind without knowing us very well. that's why I said like I don't like them and it was a sort of reaction from what you said (I know I shouldn't have been serious on MTF but wth). but without these, I have nothing problem towards them.

Chloe le Bopper
07-27-2007, 06:51 AM
I have trouble believing that many of the people who go over there to teach English think they're better than Koreans. Some of them, maybe. But most people do it because they want to go and experience the culture... you don't get rich teaching English in Asia.

I suspect that most actually do it in part to travel and start some savings... not so taht they can experience Korea, specifically. This is just a hunch rather than something I can prove, of course.

You may not get rich teaching English in Asia, but you can put away a lot of money working in South Korea compared to what you can put away if you stay at home in Canada or the USA. I spoke to one fellow a week ago, who is probably rather frugal and on the extreme end of it. He made about 25 000 last year and could put away 18 000 or it because his housing was paid for and the cost of living was fairly low. You could *never* do that making that much money in Canada. Hell, you can hardly live on that money in Canada.

Now, I'm a big partier and I like to travel. I am not going to put away 18 000. But 5-10 is not an unreasonable goal. And if I invest that wisely, I'll have a small but nice goose-egg to play with that I would not have had otherwise.

Scotso
07-28-2007, 06:15 AM
I don't know what company you plan to work for (or what he worked for), but I seriously doubt you're going to make $25,000 in a year. Especially not that on top of free accomodations. That would be about as much as someone would make in Canada.

Granted, they are two different countries, but when I was looking into teaching English in China, the most I would probably make in month was about 1,200$, and that was only if I did private tutoring in addition to teaching in a school.

Scotso
07-28-2007, 06:20 AM
okay you've heard from more than one person, then fine.
but your kindly passed information was included some offend words like racists. what do you expect from me when we're told being racists by someone who has never been over here and her/his friends? do I ought to be obligated to still like them? I didn't say I don't like them in the first place.

When did *I* call anyone racist? You're quite defensive.

maybe I carelessly concluded what I'd thought about them, but even if it's not the case they think they're better than us, but certainly some of them gave a piece of their mind without knowing us very well. that's why I said like I don't like them and it was a sort of reaction from what you said (I know I shouldn't have been serious on MTF but wth). but without these, I have nothing problem towards them.

If they lived there for over a year, I would say they know you well enough to make a determination. :shrug: I never did anything in this thread but pass on information to someone who requested it.

my0118
07-28-2007, 07:54 AM
When did *I* call anyone racist? You're quite defensive.

no, you didn't call anyone racist. but you wrote what you'd heard.
let's guess someone told me americans are racists. and then I told another person who wants to know americans racists. it's just I told what I had heard. At this situation, would you not have any emotions when you think it's generally not true?
I'm not mad what you've heard. I just think it's not fair one who doesn't know much about some information which are kind of brutal passes on it to someone. and I didn't totally disagreed what your friends had said to you like we're quite blunt.

If they lived there for over a year, I would say they know you well enough to make a determination. :shrug: I never did anything in this thread but pass on information to someone who requested it.

how can they understand well enough about us and our culture just living over a year? I heard shit things about us from one of foreigners who had lived over ten years. and it's not just applied to my country. I would say I am used to their culture or them better than those who have never been if I've been another country more than a year, but I wouldn't say directly they're rather racists or anything like offensive words. maybe some of them would be, but I wouldn't generalize their characteristics that easily.

like I said I just thought it was not fair. I know you just passed on some infromation and also I have no intention to argue with you on the matter you don't really know about.

Chloe le Bopper
07-28-2007, 09:24 AM
I don't know what company you plan to work for (or what he worked for), but I seriously doubt you're going to make $25,000 in a year. Especially not that on top of free accomodations.

Scott... in all due respect, have you ever researched teaching English in South Korea? Because I'm in the midst of being offered contracts. Workin contracts, that stipulate how much I will earn. And you're right, it's not 25 000. It's 28 000. And that's on top of accomodations, yes. I know *exactly* what I'm getting into financially.

That would be about as much as someone would make in Canada.

That depends on what you're doing in Canada. It's substantially more than I'm making now, especially when you consider the 500/month that I spend on rent here. If you have a Bachelor of Arts here, good luck finding a position that will start you out at 30K. That's not even that much money, but it still just doesn't happen in this city. To be fair, this city is a fucking hole. It would be better out west.

Granted, they are two different countries, but when I was looking into teaching English in China, the most I would probably make in month was about 1,200$, and that was only if I did private tutoring in addition to teaching in a school.

Yeah, that's China. South Korea pays, on average, twice as much as China. This is why I'm not even considering China.

The only country that pays comparable to South Korea is Japan.

Chloe le Bopper
07-28-2007, 09:28 AM
For anybody who is interested:

Japan vs Korea vs Taiwan:

http://www.geocities.com/esl_korea/TaiwanvsKoreavsJapan.html

Good and bad things are said about all three countries. And of course it's just a few people's opinions :)

Jim Jones
07-28-2007, 11:16 AM
I haven't read your post. but this shows you don't know about koreans for sure.
there are tons of christians in South Korea. I'm even bothered by these korean christians. (I don't believe in a particular religion)
You are right, you did not read my post. Next time read someone's post before answering, Einstein. I said that Christians of Korea originated from the North and that many fled to the South after Korea was split into two halves. Next time leanr what foreigners say about Korea before alluding that because I am not Korean I do not know much about Korea. So you are no American does that mean you know little about U.S.?

Yes there are many Christians in South Korea. I hear that it is the fastest growing religion in the country. So you are non religious. Good for you I guess but you do need some extra gray cells in that head of yours. :lol:

my0118
07-28-2007, 11:41 AM
You are right, you did not read my post. Next time read someone's post before answering, Einstein. I said that Christians of Korea originated from the North and that many fled to the South after Korea was split into two halves. Next time leanr what foreignrs say about Korea before apping that because I am not Korean I do not know much about Korea. So you are no american does that mean you know little about U.S.?

Yes there are many Christians in South Korea. I hear that it is the fastest growing religion in the country. So you are non religious. good for you I guess but you do need some extra gray cells in that head of yours. :lol:

thanks I'm trying. but I believe I still have more some graycells than you have when I see you quote US for this one.
seriously, sorry that I didn't understand what you said, and what you said about the north was even I didn't know. I just wanted to inform you we have a lot of christians over here. that's all. :)

Jim Jones
07-28-2007, 12:03 PM
thanks I'm trying. but I believe I still have more some graycells than you have when I see you quote US for this one.
serously, sorry that I didn't understand what you said, and what you said about the north was even I didn't know. I just wanted inform you we have a lot of christians over here. that's all. :)

I was just teasing you a little. Actually I learned about this by reading some stuff about Il Sung. Perhaps if the North was more into Buddhism then North Korea would be more like Vietnam today. Christianity and Communism hate each other but share many similarities such as concept of humanism. It is no surprise that communism originated in Christian countries.
Vietnmam is communist but has the confucian concept of getting rich. That is why Vietnam is booming and North Korea is not.

my0118
07-28-2007, 12:19 PM
I was just teasing you a little. Actually I learned about this by reading some stuff about Il Sung. Perhaps if the North was more into Buddhism then North Korea would be more like Vietnam today. Christianity and Communism hate each other but share many similarities such as concept of humanism. It is no surprise that communism originated in Christian countries.
Vietnmam is communist but has the confucian concept of getting rich. That is why Vietnam is booming and North Korea is not.

then you probably know better than me when it comes to the North. I don't know thesedays, but we have some limitation to have knowledge about the north or something related. I heard Kim Il-Sung was one of people for national independence during Japan's colonial, but we never let it know that in the context.

Chloe le Bopper
07-31-2007, 10:08 AM
my0118 - any thoughts on Ansan? I'm working on positions in Ansan on Incheon at the moment. I've read good and bad about both. Where I would be in Ansan is right by the number 4 subway line to Seoul, so that part seems okay.

my0118
07-31-2007, 10:30 AM
my0118 - any thoughts on Ansan? I'm working on positions in Ansan on Incheon at the moment. I've read good and bad about both. Where I would be in Ansan is right by the number 4 subway line to Seoul, so that part seems okay.

hi chole :wavey: call me mia ;)
and Ansan is where my parents once lived briefly. I visited there a couple of times and went to by train once. it's quite close to seoul. but I heard from my parents the air seems to be not good because of some industrial complex. and there's the sea, but you might be not able to see the real sea. because I tried but I couldn't. :lol:
and if you're in right by the 4 subway, it's really close. some people who live in Ansan might have a job in Seoul and commute.

Allure
07-31-2007, 09:56 PM
I think South Korea would be better. You would probably make more money and it's a great place to live in. :wavey: