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Not grass tennis anymore on wimby

alfonsojose
07-06-2007, 06:36 PM
The ball bouncing that way, baseliners ruling :tears:

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 06:38 PM
The ball bouncing that way, baseliners ruling :tears:

Perfect thread Fonsie. That's very true, grass tennis is dead.

ReturnWinner
07-06-2007, 06:38 PM
that is very true, but i saw Canas vs Hewit on court 18 and the bounce was lower than on central court
maybe the bounce on secondary courts is lower than on main courts :confused:

ReturnWinner
07-06-2007, 06:39 PM
gasquet is ripping the ball like if the match is being played on hard court

RonE
07-06-2007, 06:40 PM
Yes true. There will never be another Sampras/Becker/Edberg/Rafter/Ivanisevic/Krajicek/Stich/Martin/Henman era at Wimbledon. That was gold, Wimbledon's finest moments.

Fee
07-06-2007, 06:40 PM
I agree Fonsie, you can tell by the wear on the courts, it's all along the baseline and hardly anything near the net. It's really sad... (but JCF sure gave it a good effort, is this his new game?)

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 06:40 PM
that is very true, but i saw Canas vs Hewit on court 18 and the bounce was lower than on central court
maybe the bounce on secondary courts is lower than on main courts :confused:

It's still too high. Before the ball never bounced higher than the players' knees.

ReturnWinner
07-06-2007, 06:41 PM
yeah of course , its still high altoguht not as much as on central court
It's still too high. Before the ball never bounced higher than the players' knees.

Burrow
07-06-2007, 06:41 PM
The ball bouncing that way, baseliners ruling :tears:

:lol: all of the players in your signature are baseliners, but i agree.

alfonsojose
07-06-2007, 06:45 PM
:lol: all of the players in your signature are baseliners, but i agree.

One think is the players i like, other the way grass tennis should be played

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 06:46 PM
There's nothing against baseliners, but Wimbledon was supposed to be a time for netplayers, not grinders and moonballers. They managed to ruin Wimbledon.

judeluo
07-06-2007, 06:49 PM
ITA.. The matches are getting boring actually. Long rallies are seen everywhere instead of crispy serve-and-volley

Marek.
07-06-2007, 06:51 PM
Completely agree. Wimbledon matches should be lasting five hours unless it's 30 all in the fifth. I don't like to see grinding on grass.

Stensland
07-06-2007, 06:54 PM
i hated the sampras-era. this is real tennis, hats off to mr. gasquet!

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 06:57 PM
i hated the sampras-era. this is real tennis, hats off to mr. gasquet!

Coming from a clown like you, expected answer. Next time you're gonna say the Roids Diva is better than Sampras. :rolleyes:

marcRD
07-06-2007, 06:59 PM
I saw a Nadal ball topspin its way above Berdych after bounce which should be impossible.

Stensland
07-06-2007, 07:00 PM
Coming from a clown like you, expected answer. Next time you're gonna say the Roids Diva is better than Sampras. :rolleyes:

right, i'm the clown. :silly:

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 07:03 PM
right, i'm the clown. :silly:

You are. Top class clown.

alfonsojose
07-06-2007, 07:11 PM
i hated the sampras-era. this is real tennis, hats off to mr. gasquet!

:cuckoo:

Deivid23
07-06-2007, 07:13 PM
You still have butts to drool at W, you´ll be fine

ranaldo
07-06-2007, 07:17 PM
So true ! But so unpolitically correct to say...

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 07:24 PM
There's nothing against baseliners, but Wimbledon was supposed to be a time for netplayers, not grinders and moonballers. They managed to ruin Wimbledon.

Net approaches today

Gasquet vs Roddick (349 points played)
39/56(70%) vs 47/79(59%)
Best net player won

Federer vs Ferrero (233 points played)
28/38(74%) VS 13/18(72%)
Best net player won

Nadal vs Berdych (184 points played)
2/10(20%) VS 14/16 (88%)
Best net player won

Djokovic vs Baghdatis (413 points played)
32/45(71%) VS 22/39(56%)
Best net player won

Points won on the net 197/1079 =18,25%

You surely can notice every QF player did a good use of the net today except Berdytch, who is the one losing more clearly today. Now if you can come up with some evidence backing your Theory of the Green Clay (like the same numbers from 2003 QF showing much more net points won) I will think you are not moaning as a consequence of Nadal being the best net player today and the Bird being the worst.

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 07:30 PM
It's still too high. Before the ball never bounced higher than the players' knees.

Bullshit, I say.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJKVKuJ76-o

check at 0:13

Took me 1 minute to find a bounce at the level of shoulder.

scarecrows
07-06-2007, 07:31 PM
:zzz: all excuses because of the spartan king success

alfonsojose
07-06-2007, 07:31 PM
I saw a Nadal ball topspin its way above Berdych after bounce which should be impossible.

:sad:

MarieS
07-06-2007, 07:33 PM
There's nothing against baseliners, but Wimbledon was supposed to be a time for netplayers, not grinders and moonballers. They managed to ruin Wimbledon.
Wimbledon prganizers do such a fine job doing that themselves, I don't think they need any help :o.

I don't like to see grinding on grass.

There was a point not too long ago when people were complaining about Pete and Goran and Rafter and the shortness of points. can't please everyone :shrug:

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 07:41 PM
all excuses because of the spartan king success

Of course. The problem with bounce is, this grass has never seen a topspinner like Rafa before. The facts are there, net play is decisive, very high 1st service points won, etc. However, even if I was wrong, I can't see how being born two meters high has more merit than knowing how to add effect to your shots. Kudos to topspin/slice masters! that's class.

ASP0315
07-06-2007, 07:50 PM
Wimbledon is intentionally slowing down the surface as many people crticized it for only helping "big serve/volley players".

maf
07-06-2007, 07:51 PM
No way, I watched the Borg Mcenroe final two days ago on the wimbledon website, and while I won't deny was a bit faster it can be explained and so can be the lack and serve and volleyer.
The player return far far better nowadays, and with the new racquets they can put so much spin that hitting passing shots is much more of a routine than it was before. As a result players only come to the after huge serves and huge approaches ( roddick could win big as a serve and volleyer with such a serve if he had an idea how to volley), so players rarely come to the net as a main tactic. The result of this you can tell by the wear on the courts , the grass inside the baseline staying as nice and as slow as new. So grass stays slow and that encourages even less the players to come to the net.

Don't blame the grass or wimbledon, if there were more players like sampras nowadays they would have success and the grass would look fast, it's just that when players with such serves as Roddick or Ljubicic can't volley at all you can tell the problem is with teaching, nobody looks natural at the net today.

Bobby
07-06-2007, 07:52 PM
I like good clay court tennis, but at the same time I feel that Wimbledon should be played with classy serve and volley game. I really miss the times when Edberg, Becker and Rafter were playing.

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 07:55 PM
Don't blame the grass or wimbledon, if there were more players like sampras nowadays they would have success and the grass would look fast, it's just that when players with such serves as Roddick or Ljubicic can't volley at all you can tell the problem is with teaching, nobody looks natural at the net today.

Except Roger.

Bobby
07-06-2007, 08:00 PM
No way, I watched the Borg Mcenroe final two days ago on the wimbledon website, and while I won't deny was a bit faster it can be explained and so can be the lack and serve and volleyer.
The player return far far better nowadays, and with the new racquets they can put so much spin that hitting passing shots is much more of a routine than it was before. As a result players only come to the after huge serves and huge approaches ( roddick could win big as a serve and volleyer with such a serve if he had an idea how to volley), so players rarely come to the net as a main tactic. The result of this you can tell by the wear on the courts , the grass inside the baseline staying as nice and as slow as new. So grass stays slow and that encourages even less the players to come to the net.

Don't blame the grass or wimbledon, if there were more players like sampras nowadays they would have success and the grass would look fast, it's just that when players with such serves as Roddick or Ljubicic can't volley at all you can tell the problem is with teaching, nobody looks natural at the net today.

You have some very good points. But whatever the reason is, it's just frustrating to see that one form of playing good tennis has almost completely disappeared.

trixtah
07-06-2007, 08:09 PM
There's nothing against baseliners, but Wimbledon was supposed to be a time for netplayers, not grinders and moonballers. They managed to ruin Wimbledon.

you're such a joke. Go read the Nadal def Berdych thread--no one takes you seriously anymore. Wimbledon is the newest in your collection of joke slams, eh?

maf
07-06-2007, 08:10 PM
I agree, and even if someones doesn't enjoy serve and volley it can't be denied that the lack of variety today is sad.

alfonsojose
07-09-2007, 03:21 AM
Disgusting final. A tennis clasic? No way. Maybe Nadal was able to hit flatter shots but the ridiculous higher bounce helped him. And JesusFed counterpounching instead of going to the net. A smart all court player would have thrown more slices against the doping bull. His returns where also shaky :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
07-09-2007, 03:53 AM
People are always romanticising the past, and I have been guilty of it as well, but seriously it was serve tennis when Wimbledon at its quickest, not serve/volley tennis and there is a difference.

Have they gone too far in slowing it down, maybe they have, the problem is that they are played hardcourt tennis all year round on all surfaces.

GlennMirnyi
07-09-2007, 04:03 AM
This racket technology stuff is pure bullshit. When it's possible, S&Ving is still used a lot. Minsk's ice rink makes Voltchkov and Mirnyi look like 90s players.

turkjey5
07-09-2007, 04:20 AM
And JesusFed counterpounching instead of going to the net.:rolleyes:

he went to net plenty...and got burned almost every time.

Fedex
07-09-2007, 04:36 AM
The ball bouncing that way, baseliners ruling :tears:

Its been this way for years, fonsie. I wasn't aware that you were so fond of big serve, and two stroke rally tennis? :question:

The other day on the NBC broadcast, they brought up some of the match statistics for the Federer-Sampras match in 01. The two players combinded to go the net 268 times, Federer 120 times.:eek: Federer in this years entire tournement, barely made that many approaches the entire tournement. It does show you how much the surface has changed in the last 5-6 years alone.

Kolya
07-09-2007, 04:36 AM
I agree 100%.

Wimbledon is just another tournament...

mcnasty
07-09-2007, 04:37 AM
People are always romanticising the past, and I have been guilty of it as well, but seriously it was serve tennis when Wimbledon at its quickest, not serve/volley tennis and there is a difference.

Have they gone too far in slowing it down, maybe they have, the problem is that they are played hardcourt tennis all year round on all surfaces.

indeed. with the exception of john mcenroe, stefan edberg and pat cash, winning tennis at wimbledon since the borg era has been for the most part serve tennis and not serve and volley tennis.

even sampras played serve tennis (not serve and volley tennis) in that the majority of his points won on serve were either aces or unreturnable serves or "gimme" putaway volleys.

Action Jackson
07-09-2007, 04:45 AM
indeed. with the exception of john mcenroe, stefan edberg and pat cash, winning tennis at wimbledon since the borg era has been for the most part serve tennis and not serve and volley tennis.

This is why when Agassi won in 92 it was such a great achievement, and this coming from one of the great Agassi haters, it was still a fast surface then and they weren't using heavy balls, yet what he did here is to me his best ever tournament performance.

even sampras played serve tennis (not serve and volley tennis) in that the majority of his points won on serve were either aces or unreturnable serves or "gimme" putaway volleys

Becker was the same, though he volleyed more and with that Sampras serve on grass, well he might as well have gone to the net, he was only getting cream puff returns for the most part.

Fedex
07-09-2007, 04:45 AM
People are always romanticising the past, and I have been guilty of it as well, but seriously it was serve tennis when Wimbledon at its quickest, not serve/volley tennis and there is a difference.

Have they gone too far in slowing it down, maybe they have, the problem is that they are played hardcourt tennis all year round on all surfaces.

This is so true. That's the way I remember the 90's era of grass tennis; alot of big serving, not so much of the serve/volley. So many cheap point were won off the serve, that the volley was often not needed.
I, myself, would like to see more serve and volley tennis at Wimbledon, but if you speed up the courts to what they used to be you're going to see more of the Goran/Pete type of matches, as opposed to Rafter/Edberg.

Action Jackson
07-09-2007, 04:54 AM
This is so true. That's the way I remember the 90's era of grass tennis; alot of big serving, not so much of the serve/volley. So many cheap point were won off the serve, that the volley was often not needed.

It was like going straight to a penalty shootout with playing the game. It really put me off as it was not tennis, it was just a serving exhibition.

I, myself, would like to see more serve and volley tennis at Wimbledon, but if you speed up the courts to what they used to be you're going to see more of the Goran/Pete type of matches, as opposed to Rafter/Edberg.

Therein lies the problem, say the court was sped up, then it would take a generation for it to kick in, just like it has now, and would that be any better than it is now.

LLeytonRules
07-09-2007, 05:20 AM
This is bullshit.Not even baseliners can play on this shit.Roger is an all courter but he is a great baseliner with a power game and that was negated today.The bounces where absurd and lets be all honest, that almost gave Nadal the win over one of the best grasscourt players of this era.

World Beater
07-09-2007, 05:29 AM
the court should be at least as fast as the usopen...speed it up by 10 %

turkjey5
07-09-2007, 07:27 AM
there has to be a happy balance so you can get a Rafter type player but still don't get people serving 40-50 aces a match.

Forehander
07-09-2007, 07:57 AM
It's true. Now there's no much different between a hardcourt and a grass court - Boring.

Action Jackson
07-09-2007, 11:39 AM
there has to be a happy balance so you can get a Rafter type player but still don't get people serving 40-50 aces a match.

Yes, that is the key right there.

Deivid23
07-09-2007, 12:06 PM
Disgusting final. A tennis clasic? No way. Maybe Nadal was able to hit flatter shots but the ridiculous higher bounce helped him. And JesusFed counterpounching instead of going to the net. A smart all court player would have thrown more slices against the doping bull. His returns where also shaky :rolleyes:

:retard:

Ruski
07-09-2007, 12:21 PM
So True!
The speed of the court looks slow for a grass court!
We need the 'real' grass court grand slam back!

jasmin
07-09-2007, 12:48 PM
You need a change of pace with these slams and I hope they put Wimby back to actual grass.

Rogiman
07-09-2007, 12:56 PM
Completely agree. Wimbledon matches should be lasting five hours unless it's 30 all in the fifth. I don't like to see grinding on grass.This should become a slogan.

Monteque
07-09-2007, 01:32 PM
For me, Wimbledon just more getting worse and worse nowadays as they make it slower all the time.

I notice that these past few years US Open is faster court than Wimbledon although that bouncing ball is higher at USO. But this year grass is the worst than before. I wont surprised if someday they will change grass as if it's a claycourt boring thing like French. :mad:

rofe
07-09-2007, 02:00 PM
It's true. Now there's no much different between a hardcourt and a grass court - Boring.

Yeah. Wimbly is now playing like a hard court with truer and higher bounce. In fact, it is playing like a slow HC. What a pity.

guille&tati4life
07-09-2007, 02:10 PM
Nadal v Federer and Djokovic v Baghdatis were 2 of the best matches of the tournament.
Thank god we're not seeing people who can only serve, like Philippoussis reaching finals any more.

TennisGrandSlam
07-09-2007, 04:00 PM
Yes true. There will never be another Sampras/Becker/Edberg/Rafter/Ivanisevic/Krajicek/Stich/Martin/Henman era at Wimbledon. That was gold, Wimbledon's finest moments.


Early-career Rogi is a serve-and-volleyer, but he usually lost to C'mon :rolleyes:

~Jin~
07-09-2007, 04:12 PM
True. It's like watching hard court tennis. I would like to see more serve and volley at Wimbledon.

alfonsojose
07-10-2007, 03:00 PM
Newport grass :hearts:

enzogiovanni
07-10-2007, 04:50 PM
Except Roger.
Ancic feels comfortable at serve&volleying too..
hope he doesn't use this strategy at WImbledon next year because he'll lose in the 3 round max.

t0x
07-10-2007, 05:03 PM
It's dissapointing to see it get slower every year.

I mean even watching 2004 matches (not all that long ago), the difference is visible.