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Is Nadal a better Grass Court Player or a better Hard Court Player?

Pfloyd
07-06-2007, 02:49 PM
What would you argue?

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Claycourter :o

Johnny Groove
07-06-2007, 02:53 PM
he doesnt beat Youzhny or Berdych on hard :shrug:

laure xxx
07-06-2007, 02:55 PM
There's no difference anymore.

Pfloyd
07-06-2007, 02:56 PM
he doesnt beat Youzhny or Berdych on hard :shrug:

Yeah, he has beaten Youzhny 2 times on HC.

Not Berdych, but he has had match points against him in Cincinati in 05'.

Fergie
07-06-2007, 02:56 PM
Claycourter :o

:yeah:

StevoTG
07-06-2007, 02:57 PM
At the moment he is better on grass IMO

rafa_maniac
07-06-2007, 03:01 PM
Grass. It's a natural surface where Rafa's movement works better, his serve skids better and there are less grass specialists that can challenge him than hardcourt specialists.

Jimnik
07-06-2007, 03:07 PM
The tour is dominated by clay and hard court specialists. Nadal's ability to adapt his game gives him the edge on the grass courts. That coupled with the fact that the courts have been slowed down although his heavy spin will always be more effective on grass than on hard courts.

maf
07-06-2007, 03:28 PM
There's no difference anymore.

That's wrong. A surface is not just about pure speed, it's about movement, how it takes spin, among other things, that's why nadal wins rome and not miami, although Rome might play faster.

Andi-M
07-06-2007, 04:44 PM
Grass slightly because he does well at wimbledon.

And he has done nothing at the US or Aussie. Hard courts are his weakest imo

Shuukaido
07-06-2007, 04:55 PM
Grass slightly because he does well at wimbledon.

And he has done nothing at the US or Aussie. Hard courts are his weakest imo



Well, he has a QF in both, I think that is more than nothing.

marcRD
07-06-2007, 05:00 PM
I think hardcourt is too hard on his body, grasscourt is more soft for his physical game and the rallies are shorter. I dont think it has much to do with how the both surface plays.

rocketassist
07-06-2007, 05:00 PM
Carpet is his worst surface.

DhammaTiger
07-06-2007, 05:05 PM
Carpet is his worst surface.

Wasn't Madrid indoor carpet?

shotgun
07-06-2007, 05:27 PM
One slam per year on grass and he's soon to reach his second final. Two slams per year on hard and he's never made further than quarterfinals. No comparison, really.

Wasn't Madrid indoor carpet?

No, indoor hard.

Johnny Groove
07-06-2007, 05:30 PM
One slam per year on grass and he's soon to reach his second final. Two slams per year on hard and he's never made further than quarterfinals. No comparison, really.



No, indoor hard.

although, he does have 3 good TMS titles on hard :shrug:

I think its about the same, but grass with a slight edge. Either way, hes not one dimensional

shotgun
07-06-2007, 05:37 PM
although, he does have 3 good TMS titles on hard :shrug:

There are five hardcourt TMS events per year, and none on grass. So you can't compare it like that.

FedExpress#1
07-06-2007, 05:52 PM
Grass. He's done well at Wimbledon for 2 years in a row and at the US open or the Aussie Open he has done nothing.

The_Nadal_effect
07-06-2007, 05:54 PM
Grass. He's done well at Wimbledon for 2 years in a row and at the US open or the Aussie Open he has done nothing.

Valid point. :yeah:

Mansave_75
07-06-2007, 07:09 PM
For the moment grass courts seem to be more suitable to his sucessful game,so if you can see it from that point that there's only one grass Grand Slam at year and he's on the way of playing both finals (2006 & 2007).
But let's don't forget he has great results apart from U.S. and Australian Opens; he has already won some Masters Series on hard (Canadian Open,Madrid Masters,Indian Wells)as well other hard court tournaments (Dubai,China Open)...so for it's not bad at all for a non-hard court player, I think it's about time that he also can win finals on both New York and Melbourne.

fenomeno2111
07-06-2007, 07:10 PM
QF in AO and USO s suddenly nothing???
I think he can adapt his game well to any surface, however, the USO mght be the hardest GS for him.

DrJules
07-06-2007, 07:19 PM
Like Borg he will find hard courts the most difficult. Particularly, the fast US Open variety; he does not play well against fast high bouncing balls playing a long way behind the baseline.

lleytonfan!
07-07-2007, 01:27 AM
Grass, though don't forget grass isn't as fast as it used to be.

Fapmeister
07-07-2007, 01:57 AM
We don't have a valid sample size to judge Nadal's grass versus hard performances. And it's not a question of how far he progresses, but of how well he pays on them. The two are related but not the same.

Albop
07-07-2007, 01:59 AM
grass

no doubt

azinna
07-07-2007, 03:06 AM
We don't have a valid sample size to judge Nadal's grass versus hard performances. And it's not a question of how far he progresses, but of how well he pays on them. The two are related but not the same.

Completely agree. I watch Rafa at Wimbledon and Queens and don't see him playing better than he has in a number of hard-court tournaments. His results, though, can seem equal or better: basically Wimbledon, where Rafa has proven himself; but that's partly because he has this real desire to win it. Plus, nowadays nearly all the truly good players have strokes, strategy, playing tendencies and movement that are not ideal for the turf.

A good portion of them, however, are hard-court-ready and make it much more difficult for him to get past the quarters of the AO and USO. That isn't to say that he has on grass played with the command, clarity, fire and comfort I've seen at Miami, Indian Wells, Dubai, Montreal, etc.

The_Nadal_effect
07-07-2007, 05:57 AM
Neither. He's a better cross-court player!

Cervantes
07-07-2007, 07:17 AM
Well, his results are clearly better on grass, so compared to the field he's a better grass court player than he is a hard court player. On grass I'd rank him 2-3, on hard more like 3-5 so there's not much difference anyway.

t0x
07-07-2007, 08:30 AM
Grass - His lefty slice serve works way better as it skids through more and the result is he's in control of more of his points. On hard courts, the serve is slightly less effective and it gives the opponent more of a chance to get Nadal on the backfoot.