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Will Nadal now get the credit he deserves on grass?

Andre'sNo1Fan
07-06-2007, 02:21 PM
After beating Thomas Berdych, who apparently he had no chance of beating :)

Lets face it, he is now one of the best grass courters in the world!

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 02:23 PM
He IS the best ! :rocker2:

spriwi
07-06-2007, 02:23 PM
agreed :)

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 02:25 PM
No, he doesn't deserve the credit, it's all just luck. Thomas was affected by wind, Youzhny was injured, Soderling distracted by Rafa's delays, and them all part of a cakewalk draw that everyone could defeat blinfolded. About the excuses for tomorrow, well, Marcus/Djoko will be very tired tomorrow after a five setter.

:)

Pfloyd
07-06-2007, 02:25 PM
He IS the best ! :rocker2:

Get a life

brent-o
07-06-2007, 02:25 PM
I'm impressed. I'm a fan of his but I didn't think with that draw that he could make it this far.

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 02:26 PM
Get a life

:kiss: :kiss:

safin-rules-no.1
07-06-2007, 02:27 PM
After beating Thomas Berdych, who apparently he had no chance of beating :)

Lets face it, he is now one of the best grass courters in the world!

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 02:29 PM
As a big Rafa fan I must say he is one of the best grass players in the world because of the lack of grass technique nowadays; his sheer skill, intelligence on court, and iron will make him better than most on grass. However, there is still a player with both great quality AND grass game, as I am afraid we will see in the final. Or not!

adee-gee
07-06-2007, 02:30 PM
Nadal could win 8 straight Wimbledon's and people would still bash him :shrug:

anon57
07-06-2007, 02:30 PM
I think most sane fans will acknowledge that indeed Nadal is a great player off the clay as well but there will always be those that are unwilling to give him the credit he deserves.

Kolya
07-06-2007, 02:32 PM
One of the best grass players. But due to the fact grass has changed to pretty much a baseline game.

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 02:32 PM
Nadal could win 8 straight Wimbledon's and people would still bash him :shrug:

:awww: those are just bad persons :hug:

~Marija~
07-06-2007, 02:33 PM
No, he doesn't deserve the credit, it's all just luck. Thomas was affected by wind, Youzhny was injured, Soderling distracted by Rafa's delays, and them all part of a cakewalk draw that everyone could defeat blinfolded. About the excuses for tomorrow, well, Marcus/Djoko will be very tired tomorrow after a five setter.

:)

:worship: :worship:

laure xxx
07-06-2007, 02:35 PM
He's a great player, but his last few 5 set matches are kind of a joke where his opponent was either injured or ran out of steam. Grass courts these days do not require any specific knowledge or grass court nuance in order to do well, unfortunately. And after all his whining, he's the first man in the semis. :rolleyes:

neenah
07-06-2007, 02:36 PM
Not on MTF. :p

Andre'sNo1Fan
07-06-2007, 02:36 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Name me 6 players who are better?

Heavenseventeen
07-06-2007, 02:40 PM
No, he doesn't deserve the credit, it's all just luck. Thomas was affected by wind, Youzhny was injured, Soderling distracted by Rafa's delays, and them all part of a cakewalk draw that everyone could defeat blinfolded. About the excuses for tomorrow, well, Marcus/Djoko will be very tired tomorrow after a five setter.

:)


Berdych: Nadal managed just fine in the wind, so no excuse. Why would the wind blow only when Berdych went to hit the ball, but not when Nadal hit it? Is the wind biased?

Youzhny: Too bad.

Soderling: If you're that mean, you deserve everything you get. Roddick said Nadal's "delays" don't exist. If Soderling was angry, Nadal can get angry too. They both wasted time.

Baghdad/Djoko: Too bad again. Nadal finished the job as fast as he could. Djoko could've finished it too, but he didn't. Who's fault is that?

brent-o
07-06-2007, 02:42 PM
No, he doesn't deserve the credit, it's all just luck. Thomas was affected by wind, Youzhny was injured, Soderling distracted by Rafa's delays, and them all part of a cakewalk draw that everyone could defeat blinfolded. About the excuses for tomorrow, well, Marcus/Djoko will be very tired tomorrow after a five setter.

:)

Well, at least your excuses are ready-made. You wouldn't want to show up tomorrow sounding dumb or anything :wavey:

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 02:43 PM
Berdych: Nadal managed just fine in the wind, so no excuse. Why would the wind blow only when Berdych went to hit the ball, but not when Nadal hit it? Is the wind biased?

Youzhny: Too bad.

Soderling: If you're that mean, you deserve everything you get. Roddick said Nadal's "delays" don't exist. If Soderling was angry, Nadal can get angry too. They both wasted time.

Baghdad/Djoko: Too bad again. Nadal finished the job as fast as he could. Djoko could've finished it too, but he didn't. Who's fault is that?

Heck, I was kidding, man. My sarcasm is definitely too bad :o

However thinking I was seriously building an excuse for tomorrow is more your fault than mine, LOL. Rafa has cruised today after two five-setters in a row.

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 02:45 PM
Well, at least your excuses are ready-made. You wouldn't want to show up tomorrow sounding dumb or anything :wavey:

LOL, was SARCASM guys! :cool:

(even if poor quality one)

Mechlan
07-06-2007, 02:45 PM
Compared to two years ago, Nadal has come a long way in his grass court play and deserves respect for that. That said, why do you care about the opinions of people that don't give him credit?

brent-o
07-06-2007, 02:45 PM
Sorry Bazooka, I couldn't catch the sarcasm. I guess it's hard online LOL

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 02:47 PM
Berdych: Nadal managed just fine in the wind, so no excuse. Why would the wind blow only when Berdych went to hit the ball, but not when Nadal hit it? Is the wind biased?

However, with this sentence you will now attract all the Bird-friends singing that old song about flat shots being affected by wind more than topspin. While it's a true story, it's just an explanation about WHY Rafa is better, not an excuse for Birdman falling from the sky today.

After all, if moonballing is such a cheap victory tactic, everyone should be able to switch to it on a windy day. Rafa is able to connect flat shots when required to.

DhammaTiger
07-06-2007, 02:47 PM
Regardless of how well Rafa plays and regardless of how many "tough" opponents he dispatches, he always seems to have 1.an easy draw, 2. winning because of the time he takes, 3. His opponent was injured, 4. Cheats by moon balling, or any such lame excuse designed by some posters on mtf, in order not to recognise Rafa for the great player he is. Now let us see what excuses they come up for Berdych. Rafa was supposed to be eaten alive by Berdych, but guess what the presumptive eater became the eatee. Vamos Rafa !!!!

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 02:50 PM
Sorry Bazooka, I couldn't catch the sarcasm. I guess it's hard online LOL

Probably it's not my fault or yours... some of the haters arguments here are so ridiculous that it's not unlikely to see someone posting that crap seriously on MTF.

Heavenseventeen
07-06-2007, 03:00 PM
Sorry Bazooka, I couldn't catch the sarcasm. I guess it's hard online LOL

Me too.:o I'm just TOO eager to defend Nadal. Sorry.:wavey:

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 03:06 PM
Me too.:o I'm just TOO eager to defend Nadal. Sorry.:wavey:

Don't bother with the bashers... True tennis fans have seen the light ;)

ugotlobbed
07-06-2007, 03:18 PM
nadal is good, i give him credit, although i dont like nadal much, he deserves his due by beating berdych, gj, but hes def not the best on grass, nor the real #1

jasmin
07-06-2007, 03:24 PM
ITA agree ugo but they changed the surface so is it even grass.

Magus13
07-06-2007, 03:57 PM
I give Nadal full credit on grass. He is a close second to Fed, maybe better. Even without winning a grass court tournament or beating Fed or Roddick on grass he is one of, if not the best grass players. Migh even have taken out Sampras back in the day. I have seen the light. Spartans forever.

rafa_maniac
07-06-2007, 04:00 PM
Not on this site, no way. That said, I'd say he's definately in the top 5 on grass, and a contender for #2. We really need to see a Rafa/Roddick match...

goldenlox
07-06-2007, 04:11 PM
He does deserve more credit. I thought he would lose yesterday. Now, I can't imagine how Novak can play a great match after 10 hours on court the last 2 days.

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 04:41 PM
Pure luck. Robin choked, Youzhny got injured and the wind won the match today.

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 04:42 PM
Add that grass is slow as hell too nowadays.

jenanun
07-06-2007, 04:44 PM
Pure luck. Robin choked, Youzhny got injured and the wind won the match today.

:confused:

he came back from 2 sets down and took it to the fifth set, he choked?

nadal was the choker in that match!!!!

marcRD
07-06-2007, 04:49 PM
I had my doubts with the poor queens performances and the easy draw last year, but he has earned my respect. He may be the 2nd greatest grass court player in the world.

rocketassist
07-06-2007, 04:54 PM
I had my doubts with the poor queens performances and the easy draw last year, but he has earned my respect. He may be the 2nd greatest grass court player in the world.

Nadal wasn't that bad at Queens. He played well against Del Potro and Max.

star
07-06-2007, 04:54 PM
Pure luck. Robin choked, Youzhny got injured and the wind won the match today.


um,,,, you forgot, ass picking, cheating, moonballing, and steroids.

You're off your game, man.

Chloe le Bopper
07-06-2007, 04:55 PM
One of the best grass players. But due to the fact grass has changed to pretty much a baseline game.
Slowing down the surface certainly benefited Nadal. Whether or not he would have adjusted and faired well if it was a bit faster, I guess we'll never know.

Given the current circumstances, it seems that the reasonable among us agree that, yes, he is still at-the-top-but-still-below-Fed when the surface under foot is grass.

marcRD
07-06-2007, 04:56 PM
Nadal wasn't that bad at Queens. He played well against Del Potro and Max.

I thought he was clueless agaist Mahut, but he was coming from a long clay court season so he may have needed to get warm on the surface.

rocketassist
07-06-2007, 04:56 PM
There aren't even many serve volleyers anymore anyway, so the slowing down of the grass doesn't make too much difference.

A_Skywalker
07-06-2007, 04:57 PM
I had my doubts with the poor queens performances and the easy draw last year, but he has earned my respect. He may be the 2nd greatest grass court player in the world.

I think he plays it more for preparation for Wimbledon. But still I dont say that Mahut beat him because of that. Queens was a good warm up

redreef
07-06-2007, 04:58 PM
Five hours to play a five set grass court match is ridiculous. They have slowed down the grass so much at Wimbledon that any good clay court player now has a chance of getting to the round of 16 or further. Borg is the one who really accomplished something because he played when Wimbledom truly was a grass court tournament.

I do give Nadal credit for mental toughness to get through the Soderling marathon, especially being so close to finishing it off in three sets, but it was clear Youzhny was going to beat him if he hadn't developed the back problem. Both Baghdatis and Djokovic would be the favorite with an extra day's rest.

DhammaTiger
07-06-2007, 05:00 PM
Add that grass is slow as hell too nowadays.

you are so predictable by your unreasonableness and hatred, that you can't ever see beyond your prejudices.

The_Nadal_effect
07-06-2007, 05:02 PM
No, he doesn't deserve the credit, it's all just luck. Thomas was affected by wind, Youzhny was injured, Soderling distracted by Rafa's delays, and them all part of a cakewalk draw that everyone could defeat blinfolded. About the excuses for tomorrow, well, Marcus/Djoko will be very tired tomorrow after a five setter.

:)

:rolls:
Was I the only one who got the joke?

You were wonderfully sarcastic, Bazooka! Good writing too.

Most people don't get a joke unless its inserted with enough smileys. You really want a good laugh, go to the "FEd is in real trouble" thread. Everyone is posting 'serious jokes' like yours.
: banana :

:wavey:

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 05:06 PM
:confused:

he came back from 2 sets down and took it to the fifth set, he choked?

nadal was the choker in that match!!!!

4/4 in the fifth, two BPs lost. That's called choking.

um,,,, you forgot, ass picking, cheating, moonballing, and steroids.

You're off your game, man.

That goes without saying, glad you know them already.

Tess Gray
07-06-2007, 05:10 PM
:rolls:
Was I the only one who got the joke?

You were wonderfully sarcastic, Bazooka! Good writing too.

Most people don't get a joke unless its inserted with enough smileys. You really want a good laugh, go to the "FEd is in real trouble" thread. Everyone is posting 'serious jokes' like yours.
: banana :

:wavey:

I thought the sarcasme was pretty obvious and I thought Bazooka was hilarious...:haha:

I don't think Nadal wil ever get the credit on grass he deserves just because people refuse to believe that he is developing himself as a player:)

Naide
07-06-2007, 05:11 PM
:zzz:

Metis
07-06-2007, 05:21 PM
um,,,, you forgot, ass picking, cheating, moonballing, and steroids.

You're off your game, man.


And let's not forget retiring against Guccione because he was afraid to lose. That certainly is enough to blemish the rest of Rafa's career. ;)



No, Nadal will never get credit from some people here. They would rather declare that Wimbledon is no longer a legitimate tournament than admit he is one of the best. :lol:

The_Nadal_effect
07-06-2007, 05:22 PM
I thought the sarcasme was pretty obvious and I thought Bazooka was hilarious...:haha:

I don't think Nadal wil ever get the credit on grass he deserves just because people refuse to believe that he is developing himself as a player:)

People or the trolls of MTF? :aplot:

The_Nadal_effect
07-06-2007, 05:24 PM
No, Nadal will never get credit from some people here. They would rather declare that Wimbledon is no longer a legitimate tournament than admit he is one of the best. :lol:

To requote you, Metis...

Wimbledon was lousy that year, the grass was slowed down for more rallies and the wind favoured Nadal's topspin.;)

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 05:25 PM
Wimbledon was slowed down to pure boredom. This way it's just a shadow of the old tournament, the legendary championships.

Tess Gray
07-06-2007, 05:29 PM
People or the trolls of MTF? :aplot:

hehe;) I actually meant to write: people on MTF because tennis-commentators áre impressed with him:o

The_Nadal_effect
07-06-2007, 05:41 PM
Wimbledon was slowed down to pure boredom. This way it's just a shadow of the old tournament, the legendary championships.

There we go Metis...
:worship: The Master troll simplified the headlines for us.

Metis
07-06-2007, 05:54 PM
Wimbledon was slowed down to pure boredom. This way it's just a shadow of the old tournament, the legendary championships.

No doubt! Even nature herself was appalled and almost washed out the whole tournament.


There we go Metis...
:worship: The Master troll simplified the headlines for us.


You've got to love Glenn! Such an obliging kid! :D

Sunset of Age
07-06-2007, 06:48 PM
I thought the sarcasme was pretty obvious and I thought Bazooka was hilarious...:haha:

I thought it was very obvious - some fans just don't seem to have a sense of humour I think.

I don't think Nadal wil ever get the credit on grass he deserves just because people refuse to believe that he is developing himself as a player:)

I have been giving him that credit since Queens 2006, if I remember correctly. :angel:
But I know I'm one of the few - I well remember the laughs a few weeks ago when I posted that I wouldn't at all be surprised if Rafa would be able to repeat his Wimbly run of 2006. Well, well, eh? Looks like he's pretty close to do so! :p

Marek.
07-06-2007, 06:55 PM
Yes, Nadal is a great player on grass but the fans have to at least admit that the slower grass has helped him. He still uses a pretty long swing on the forehand.

Sunset of Age
07-06-2007, 06:56 PM
Yes, Nadal is a great player on grass but the fans have to at least admit that the slower grass has helped him. He still uses a pretty long swing on the forehand.

True, but even if the grass has become so much slower, it's obvious that it is Rafa who has the talent to use that to his advantage more than any other player has, and that's telling quite something. ;)

marcRD
07-06-2007, 09:42 PM
Nadal can win wimbledon now, Federer is rusty and not warmed up on grass like last year and Djokovic should be a great battle, but Rafa is slightly stronger on grass I think.

Eden
07-06-2007, 09:53 PM
Regardless of how well Rafa plays and regardless of how many "tough" opponents he dispatches, he always seems to have 1.an easy draw, 2. winning because of the time he takes, 3. His opponent was injured, 4. Cheats by moon balling, or any such lame excuse designed by some posters on mtf, in order not to recognise Rafa for the great player he is. Now let us see what excuses they come up for Berdych. Rafa was supposed to be eaten alive by Berdych, but guess what the presumptive eater became the eatee. Vamos Rafa !!!!

Nice to talk with you on GM for a change ;) You should know meanwhile that every player gets disrespectful comments here - no matter if it is Rafa, Roger, Ivan or who else.

Nobody can deny this year that Rafa had a far more demanding draw in Wimbledon than last year. He had to face three dangerous players in Söderling, Youzhny and Berdych. Rafa could have closed out the match against Robin in 3 sets, but Robin somehow managed it to come back into the match, which was a very demanding one for both players due to the several rain interruptions.
I don't think it is an excuse to say that Youzhny was hampered in the match against Rafa. It takes nothing away from Rafa. He was the one who had to come back from 2 sets down and deal with the situation of his opponent, something which shouldn't be overlooked.

Rafa might be a bit more vulnerable in a best of 3 match, but it takes so much more for his opponents to beat him in a best of 5 match. They need to focus and play on a high level for a much longer time.

Sunset of Age
07-06-2007, 09:58 PM
^^ Well said, Eden!

BTW, I think the more reasonable posters have always been able to give Rafa his deserved credits, whether they are fans of him or not. A lot of the nastiness towards him has got more to do with trolling, tardiness and the like. One can only wonder to which degree the trolls and tards are always being serious...?

Bazooka
07-06-2007, 10:02 PM
I think Nadal would get more credit if he had never played on Clay. I mean, he's just 21 and a month, and has won 3 hard court MS titles, plus Dubai and Sanghai, plus Wimby final, plus AO and USO QF, and he is still regarded in suspicion when he is in a fast court. Better results than nearly everyone else in fast court, except Roger, Andy and some "declining stars" like Hewitt or Safin.

However, as this is crap compared to the legend he has become on clay, all of a sudden he's not a good fast court player. Go figure.

He is also one of the players that works harder in the whole tour. He has a singles record in 2007 of 50-7!!! plus his doubles of 9-6 makes 72 oficcial ATP matches in six months... Roger has played 46 games, and other "uprising talents" like Murray or Berdytch, that should be working like beasts to rise in the ranking, have played 38 and 50 respectively. Nole is the only one I've found with a comparable number of matches, and its 61. With a much worse record, of course.

He deserves the credit, he is talented, he works hard. Today had an 88% success on net approach, the highest in all QF matches. Everybody is already excusing Djokovic for being too tired for tomorrow, yet Nadal had two straight 5-setters with no rest before trashing Berdytch today. Even his haters already know he will never be tired...

Burrow
07-06-2007, 10:04 PM
as much as i hate him, its not his fault the grass has slowed down and hes taking full advantage of it, he is a great grass court player.

Lucinda
07-06-2007, 10:06 PM
I think the credit can now come in since he's had a much more difficult draw this year than last and still managed to make it to at least the semi's - not to mention the rain delays, etc that he went through.

trixtah
07-06-2007, 10:10 PM
He is great on grass and I think that haters are associating him with the previous generation of clay court players who didn't fare very well on grass--much because they didn't try to better themselves on the surface as Rafa has. Not only has Rafa said that he hopes to win Wimbledon, he has made adjustments to his game depending on the surface and that is what separates him from the rest. Yes he will get the credit he deserves, but as for MTF? Rafa could win Wimbledon every year for the rest of his life and he still wouldn't be given the credit he deserves.

Rogiman
07-06-2007, 10:23 PM
I'l give him tons of credit, there's no point denying facts, and the fact is he's a great achiever on all surfaces.

I do, however, find it rather sad that this kind of trash is enough to win on grass these days.
The ATP should reconsider the whole concept of switching surfaces during the season if they are'nt going to require different skills anyawy.
No way can a topspin junk have an effect on a proper grass court, and it takes only a glance at Gasquet's and Federer's matches today to see how tennis should be played on a grass court.

I fill very unfortunate to witness an era where playing this kind of terrible tennis wins so much, but alas, it does win so congratulations.

Eden
07-06-2007, 10:28 PM
I think the credit can now come in since he's had a much more difficult draw this year than last and still managed to make it to at least the semi's - not to mention the rain delays, etc that he went through.

He isn't the only one who had to deal with the rain delays ;)

RagingLamb
07-06-2007, 10:30 PM
no way, he doesn't deserve credit for anything. here are the people and factors that should receive credit:

1. His roid manufacturer
2. His uncle Tony for coaching from the stands
3. His tactics of fear and intimidation (he's a terrorist)
3. Youzhny's chronic back problem
4. TB's mental problems
5. Soderling's...uhm...personal problems
6. The umpire's for not calling his constant cheating.
7. Grass is too slow, it rains too often and it's windy.

I could go on and on. Nadal doesn't get credit for anything. EVER.

In other news; Roger is god, did you see that cross-court forehand? DAAAAYUUM.

Heavenseventeen
07-06-2007, 10:35 PM
^All praise Emperor Federer. The greatest player EVER, and TOTALLY untouchable...except at the French Open where he sucks just like everyone else...except Nadal. Ha!

ExpectedWinner
07-06-2007, 10:47 PM
I'l give him tons of credit, there's no point denying facts, and the fact is he's a great achiever on all surfaces.

I do, however, find it rather sad that this kind of trash is enough to win on grass these days.


:haha: You are good at giving out compliments.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2007, 10:52 PM
I'l give him tons of credit, there's no point denying facts, and the fact is he's a great achiever on all surfaces.

I do, however, find it rather sad that this kind of trash is enough to win on grass these days.
The ATP should reconsider the whole concept of switching surfaces during the season if they are'nt going to require different skills anyawy.
No way can a topspin junk have an effect on a proper grass court, and it takes only a glance at Gasquet's and Federer's matches today to see how tennis should be played on a grass court.

I fill very unfortunate to witness an era where playing this kind of terrible tennis wins so much, but alas, it does win so congratulations.

If the grass played the way it used to, no way Gasquet hits all those BH's either because the ball wouldn't bounce into his strize zone and the skidding ball wouldn't give him enough time to set up his BH.

R.Federer
07-06-2007, 11:19 PM
One time you can chalk it up to lucky shot. Two times you can say coincidence. Three times, everyone needs to recognize it's a pattern.

Kuhne
07-06-2007, 11:29 PM
Yes, he should get the credit he deserves, however, the credit he deserves is of a guy who reached one wimbledon final (Nalbandian did this) and is such a good player that he can transition his game on to grass, however he strugled plenty on this wimbledon and he still has the semifinal match to go.

So what exactly is the credit he deserves? a good grasscourt player? hell yes, a great one? don't make me laugh

Beforehand
07-07-2007, 12:05 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but as a Federer fan, I officially withdraw my assertion that Nadal is not great on grass. I still don't know that he's definitely second best, but he's damn good, and nobody just happens themselves into consecutive Wimbledon semifinals.

Sunset of Age
07-07-2007, 12:19 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but as a Federer fan, I officially withdraw my assertion that Nadal is not great on grass. I still don't know that he's definitely second best, but he's damn good, and nobody just happens themselves into consecutive Wimbledon semifinals.

:yeah:

Now that truly sounds like a mature point of view. Kudos, mate! :hug:

mangoes
07-07-2007, 12:29 AM
It will take me a while to swallow the bitter pill of Nadal reaching the final, but he certainly played well this week and deserves his spot....... That's as much as I can muster:lol: :lol: :lol:

Beforehand
07-07-2007, 12:29 AM
:yeah:

Now that truly sounds like a mature point of view. Kudos, mate! :hug:
I'm with you...no need for massive hate just because the players compete.

Thank you for the compliment as well.

Sunset of Age
07-07-2007, 12:31 AM
It will take me a while to swallow the bitter pill of Nadal reaching the final, but he certainly played well this week and deserves his spot....... That's as much as I can muster:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: Couldn't goodrep you again, you know the drivel.

But this, eh, comfession is quite enough, Sheryl. :yeah: :hug:

Kalliopeia
07-07-2007, 12:32 AM
It will take me a while to swallow the bitter pill of Nadal reaching the final, but he certainly played well this week and deserves his spot....... That's as much as I can muster:lol: :lol: :lol:


:hug: Baby steps, baby steps. :lol:

mangoes
07-07-2007, 12:34 AM
:lol: Couldn't goodrep you again, you know the drivel.

But this, eh, comfession is quite enough, Sheryl. :yeah: :hug:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It was a hard "comfession" to post:lol:


:hug: Baby steps, baby steps. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: And that's as far as I can go:lol: :lol:

Metis
07-07-2007, 12:35 AM
It will take me a while to swallow the bitter pill of Nadal reaching the final, but he certainly played well this week and deserves his spot....... That's as much as I can muster:lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :hug: Well it's not a sure thing yet, so there is still hope. At least Venus is going to win now!

Sunset of Age
07-07-2007, 12:37 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It was a hard "comfession" to post:lol:

Ah, I thought so much. Heh. But it's good that people are in fact acknowledging their respect in this thread. Much better than the usual tard wars - guess I'll be the Boring Old Hippie around here again, eh? ;) :p

Sunset of Age
07-07-2007, 12:38 AM
:lol: :hug: Well it's not a sure thing yet, so there is still hope. At least Venus is going to win now!

Have some faith in the Upsetter of the Tournament, the wonderful Marion, will you there, eh? :mad:

Only joking, of course. :p

mangoes
07-07-2007, 12:46 AM
:lol: :hug: Well it's not a sure thing yet, so there is still hope. At least Venus is going to win now!

It's a pretty sure thing he is in the final:sad: :sad: :sad: On the other hand, :banana: :banana: GO VENUS!! :banana: :banana:

Ah, I thought so much. Heh. But it's good that people are in fact acknowledging their respect in this thread. Much better than the usual tard wars - guess I'll be the Boring Old Hippie around here again, eh? ;) :p

The tard wars are fun:p :p At the end of the day, most Fedtards and Rafatards like each other and do have a mutual respect for the other's fav. But, admittedly, I do have lots of fun battling my favorite rafatards. Plus, it adds even more irony and humor to this "humble pie" thread:lol: :lol:

Have some faith in the Upsetter of the Tournament, the wonderful Marion, will you there, eh? :mad:

Only joking, of course. :p

I'm happy for the young lady from France, and good for her taking out Henin. Against anyone else but Serena or Venus, I would have pulled for her to cause a major upset. But I have to pull for Venus.

Kuhne
07-07-2007, 12:51 AM
Yea you guys are talking as if Nadal beating Djoko was a sure thing. While Nadal does deserve to make the final because of his great effort in this tourney, come on, Djoko did beat Nadal earlier this year, don't shrug him off just yet!

I could say the same thing with Gasquet, if hie backhand is the way it was today and Federer is a little bit off.... we could very well be looking at a Djoko vs Gasquet final

Sunset of Age
07-07-2007, 12:54 AM
The tard wars are fun:p :p At the end of the day, most Fedtards and Rafatards like each other and do have a mutual respect for the other's fav. But, admittedly, I do have lots of fun battling my favorite rafatards.

Sometimes the wars are fun, sometimes they aren't.
But in general they quite resemble the court battles I go through at least once in a week. Hours of mutual mudslinging, and however wins the case in the end, you end up saying to your fellow-lawyer-and-opponent, "Hey mate, care for a beer at the pub?" :D :D :D

BTW I'm sure Venus will hold the trophy tomorrow. But still I'm in awe for little Marion! :worship:

Auscon
07-07-2007, 12:54 AM
Hell yeah he should get the credit....he's proven to be a fantastic gc player

Metis
07-07-2007, 12:55 AM
Yea you guys are talking as if Nadal beating Djoko was a sure thing. While Nadal does deserve to make the final because of his great effort in this tourney, come on, Djoko did beat Nadal earlier this year, don't shrug him off just yet!

I could say the same thing with Gasquet, if hie backhand is the way it was today and Federer is a little bit off.... we could very well be looking at a Djoko vs Gasquet final


It doesn't hurt to hope but (barring some strange development) you can pretty much kiss that $50 goodbye already :p.

Merton
07-07-2007, 01:13 AM
Nadal will never get credit for his successes outside clay. Once you start from the belief that Nadal cannot play on other surfaces, you can always explain away Nadal's good results.

It is no accident that he performs better on grass than on hard courts, there are two reasons, one is the self confidence he carries right after the clay season and the second is that his serve looks more effective on grass than on hard.

abol_tabol
07-07-2007, 01:29 AM
Nadal will never get credit for his successes outside clay. Once you start from the belief that Nadal cannot play on other surfaces, you can always explain away Nadal's good results.

It is no accident that he performs better on grass than on hard courts, there are two reasons, one is the self confidence he carries right after the clay season and the second is that his serve looks more effective on grass than on hard.

Excellent, Merton! Spot on! Nobody is talking about this tremendous self confidence and momentum that Rafa gains from the clay court season, how much of an advantage it is for him. As long as Rafa continues to have stellar clay court season I think he will do very well in the Wimbledon. US Open and then the Australian Open will be always much harder for him. His results show that so far.

tennis_fan_2006
07-07-2007, 02:22 AM
I, as a federer fan, got to give props to Nadal for makeing to the semis and for proving a lot of people wrong. Let's face it, he has improved tremendously in grass court. Looking forward for a Federer-Nadal final.

TankingTheSet
07-07-2007, 02:24 AM
I think Federer is a little off and Nadal has a great chance to win. Still don't think he is a natural on grass and I don't think he will win Wimbledon year after year, but this year I can see him winning.

robinhood
07-07-2007, 02:50 AM
I honestly didn't think he would make it this far this year, but man, he is good.
Nole as well.
That said though, between Nadal's ass picking and Djoko's ball bouncing, I am sticking to the scoreboard and a two minute highlight reel for their match tomorrow.

World Beater
07-07-2007, 04:51 AM
If the grass played the way it used to, no way Gasquet hits all those BH's either because the ball wouldn't bounce into his strize zone and the skidding ball wouldn't give him enough time to set up his BH.

not to mention that gasquet would have no chance to return roddick's serve on an even faster court :tape: not that he returns roddick's serve on any court.

DDrago2
07-07-2007, 08:45 AM
You want to gongratulate Nadal for adapting to the grasscourts, where we should gongratulate grasscourts for adapting to Nadal

Tnn74
07-07-2007, 09:10 AM
No, he doesn't deserve the credit, it's all just luck. Thomas was affected by wind, Youzhny was injured, Soderling distracted by Rafa's delays, and them all part of a cakewalk draw that everyone could defeat blinfolded. About the excuses for tomorrow, well, Marcus/Djoko will be very tired tomorrow after a five setter.

:)

...yeah, and Federer will be rusty after having only played 5 matches and about 10 hours :rolleyes:
:crying2: :baby:

Andre'sNo1Fan
07-07-2007, 03:42 PM
2 finals in 2 years, well what can we say now?

Congrats Rafa, he's now for sure the second best player in the world on grass ;)

The_Nadal_effect
07-07-2007, 03:45 PM
No. Nadal will start getting credit for grass when he wins three Wimblys back to back. Till then, he very big fluke, no?