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Anyone noticed Nadal's serve speeds at W?

Ackms421
07-06-2007, 02:43 AM
He has gotten them in over 130 and averaged 115 or so on his first serve. These numbers are comparable to Federer, though marginally smaller.

I don't ever recall Nadal serving at that speed. His motion is back to the usual, but something must have changed for him to be getting them in at this speed.

Another interesting stat-Nadal is #1 on the year for 2nd serve points won and #4 on the year for service games won. He's above Federer on both of those lists. He's doing well on some other serving stats too. As a fan, I gotta believe this means it's all coming together.

Maybe he really did lose those ten months only because his game was transitioning. I hope he can put some good numbers on the board tommorrow against Berdych. I really think grass suits his game *much* better than hardcourts. These guys can't take such a big cut at the ball here too, so we'll see.

ATP serving stats found here:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

RickDaStick
07-06-2007, 02:46 AM
They dont call him Rafa Roids for nothing

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 02:46 AM
They dont call him Rafa Roids for nothing

Diva Roids in fact.

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 02:48 AM
He has gotten them in over 130 and averaged 115 or so on his first serve. These numbers are comparable to Federer, though marginally smaller.

I don't ever recall Nadal serving at that speed. His motion is back to the usual, but something must have changed for him to be getting them in at this speed.

Another interesting stat-Nadal is #1 on the year for 2nd serve points won and #4 on the year for service games won. He's above Federer on both of those lists. He's doing well on some other serving stats too. As a fan, I gotta believe this means it's all coming together.

Maybe he really did lose those ten months only because his game was transitioning. I hope he can put some good numbers on the board tommorrow against Berdych. I really think grass suits his game *much* better than hardcourts. These guys can't take such a big cut at the ball here too, so we'll see.

ATP serving stats found here:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

That's because you know as much about tennis as Mexicans about igloos.

VolandriFan
07-06-2007, 02:48 AM
His serve has improved a lot, but it falls short more often than Federer's.

Marek.
07-06-2007, 02:51 AM
Him winning more serve games and points on his second serve has nothing to do with the serve itself. It has to do with the fact he dominated the clay season for the third straight year.

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 02:51 AM
It has do to with moonballing.

Merton
07-06-2007, 03:00 AM
The serve stats are misleading here, they merely reflect the efficiency of Nadal's ground game, especially coming after the clay court season. Similarly I remember that back in 2005 Nadal was leading at some point all the return of serve statistics, but it was not the case that he was the best returner on tour, he just played a lot of matches on clay that year.

The most relevant statistic would be % of 1st and 2nd serves resulting in a point, i.e. counting the aces and the unreturnables but that is not provided.

Ackms421
07-06-2007, 03:01 AM
Him winning more serve games and points on his second serve has nothing to do with the serve itself. It has to do with the fact he dominated the clay season for the third straight year.

The service games won is an interesting one though.

Ackms421
07-06-2007, 03:03 AM
That's because you know as much about tennis as Mexicans about igloos.

It would take a fan of the consummate underachiever to find me out. Where is Mirnyi? Did he retire?

Marek.
07-06-2007, 03:05 AM
The service games won is an interesting one though.

Once again though, it has nothing to do with his serve. He just spins it in on clay and beats the opponent from the back of the court.

Ackms421
07-06-2007, 03:11 AM
Once again though, it has nothing to do with his serve. He just spins it in on clay and beats the opponent from the back of the court.

Well, assuming the stats are only a reflection of the clay season (or largely anyway), what about the 130 + speeds and the Indian Wells title. He did pull it together just before the clay season started. There was *something* different by then.

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2007, 03:11 AM
He has gotten them in over 130 and averaged 115 or so on his first serve. These numbers are comparable to Federer, though marginally smaller.

I don't ever recall Nadal serving at that speed. His motion is back to the usual, but something must have changed for him to be getting them in at this speed.

Another interesting stat-Nadal is #1 on the year for 2nd serve points won and #4 on the year for service games won. He's above Federer on both of those lists. He's doing well on some other serving stats too. As a fan, I gotta believe this means it's all coming together.

Maybe he really did lose those ten months only because his game was transitioning. I hope he can put some good numbers on the board tommorrow against Berdych. I really think grass suits his game *much* better than hardcourts. These guys can't take such a big cut at the ball here too, so we'll see.

ATP serving stats found here:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/

Not much different from last year. He served a lot better last year actually.
He got the serve on the AD side a lot wider to the BH (of most players who are righties) and hit BH's CC or FH's inside-out very effectively last year. He had countless serve out wide on the AD, followed by either A) FH CC off of the short or mid-court ball drawing an unreturned or defensive lob B) BH CC which set up the FH CC next, repeat or C) inside-out FH for a winner.

His serve would be a lot more effective if he could regurarly serve down the T on the Ad side and out wide on the deuce court. His opponents cheat over to their BH's (if they are righties) and are getting that return back in play. Making them think about the flat serve down the T or out wide will definitely make his serve more effective.

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 03:17 AM
It would take a fan of the consummate underachiever to find me out. Where is Mirnyi? Did he retire?

:lol: who do you think you are? When Nadal learns to serve you can come here and speak pure :bs: as you usually do. Your analysis is something a monkey can realise has nothing to do with facts.

Ackms421
07-06-2007, 03:17 AM
Not much different from last year. He served a lot better last year actually.
He got the serve on the AD side a lot wider to the BH (of most players who are righties) and hit BH's CC or FH's inside-out very effectively last year. He had countless serve out wide on the AD, followed by either A) FH CC off of the short or mid-court ball drawing an unreturned or defensive lob B) BH CC which set up the FH CC next, repeat or C) inside-out FH for a winner.

His serve would be a lot more effective if he could regurarly serve down the T on the Ad side and out wide on the deuce court. His opponents cheat over to their BH's (if they are righties) and are getting that return back in play. Making them think about the flat serve down the T or out wide will definitely make his serve more effective.

He does try the slider down the T on the ad-side, but more often than not he misses it. That one does have mega-potential being that his spin is so crazy...

NYCtennisfan
07-06-2007, 03:20 AM
He does try the slider down the T on the ad-side, but more often than not he misses it. That one does have mega-potential being that his spin is so crazy...

He hits it a LOT on break points and/or other big points as a surprise. On clay he caught Feds off-guard with that one and the one out wide on the deuce court several times because Feds was cheating over to his BH where 90% of Nadal's serves were going.

RagingLamb
07-06-2007, 03:22 AM
the only logical explanations are

1. the speed guns were bustes

2. the statistician was retarded

3. Nadal's got some serious hook-up for the roids

As for games held; the other people let him win so he wouldn't **** them later in the locker room.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go pop some prozac and w*** off to some Roger Federer pictures :yeah:

World Beater
07-06-2007, 05:22 AM
nadal's service motion is different when compared to the one he had at RG. He seems to be rocking back and jumping forward into the court more on the grass. His serve on clay wasnt nearly as aggressive.

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 05:41 AM
So Nadal is a better server than Federer ? :lol: :lol:

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 05:43 AM
So Nadal is a better server than Federer ? :lol: :lol:

He's a better server than Karlovic too, don't you know? :rolleyes:

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 05:47 AM
He's a better server than Karlovic too, don't you know? :rolleyes:

Rafatardism never ceases to amaze me... :cool: :lol: ;)

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 05:50 AM
Rafatardism never ceases to amaze me... :cool: :lol: ;)

He's also cleaner than Edberg, but that goes without saying.

bokehlicious
07-06-2007, 05:53 AM
He's also cleaner than Edberg, but that goes without saying.

:yeah: wow this Nadal is just too perfect, you gotta love him :inlove: :rocker2:

El Legenda
07-06-2007, 05:56 AM
Nadal is not a good returner as everyone things, his return # are high because of all the clay matches he plays, i would like to see his return stats on HC and grass.

Ackms421
07-06-2007, 06:45 AM
Everyone can disagree about whatever, but am I to understand that Nadal *has* been putting serves in at 130+ mph for some extended amount of time??

Kuhne
07-06-2007, 07:50 AM
I sent an email to rafaelnadal@hotmail.com asking and he said he hasnt done anything new to his serve