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Umpires: "Good of Söderling to react on Nadal"

swede
07-05-2007, 04:11 PM
Aftonbladet, a swedish newspaper asked some of the umpires to comment on the Nadal immitation, and they said:

"Its crazy that Nadal can act like he does. He waits longer than 20 secs every time. But many umpires dont dare to do anything."

another umpire sais:

"Nadal has no good sportsmanship, but thats the way tennis is. Nadal and Federer are big stars for tennis, and no one can touch them. If you do you wont get any support from the people you. Its embarrasing."

another:

"Nadal has gone too far, so its good Söderling marked that."

The swedish paper said to robin he probably wont get the Stefan Edberg award for good sportsmanship. Robin answered: " I don't want that price, I want big titles." Other than that robin refused to talk bad about Nadal in the media, even if he had many things to say.:cool:

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:13 PM
go cry a fucking river, bitches

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 04:14 PM
If the umps and other players had that big of an issue with him they would be paying more attention to the clock. It's the umpires that aren't enforcing the rule so they can't be to bothered by it.

justClaudia
07-05-2007, 04:14 PM
who were the 'umpires' anyway? no names?

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:15 PM
who were the 'umpires' anyway? no names?

they didnt have the balls to put their names out there

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:16 PM
go cry a fucking river, bitches

Nadal is cheating scum who needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut. Soderling has class and respect for the other players but Nadal's bad sportsmanship is disgraceful :retard:

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
So everybody knows about Rafa Roids cheating. No surprise there. The only clowns playing blind are his fangirls.

Beforehand
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Umpires complaining about such things when its' their fault is :tape: material.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
pretty cheap shot to talk to journalists instead of talking to nadal himself. i'm sure he'd understand if you'd just talk to him in a decent way.

spriwi
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
buahahaha
"the umpires" what the hell does it mean ?! names???

u can say "tennis players say that..." talking 'bout your mates playing tennis to start a thread like this...

n/c

scoobs
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
If the umps and other players had that big of an issue with him they would be paying more attention to the clock. It's the umpires that aren't enforcing the rule so they can't be to bothered by it.
Exactly - they're there to enforce these types of rules, not ignore them and then complain he takes liberties.

Either penalise him or don't but don't let him get away with it then complain he does it.

Pathetic really.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 04:18 PM
I think that Nadal's sportsmanship is exemplary. He never shows any aggression towards his opponent and is quick to congratulate the opponent when he is the loser.

I think that his 'delay tactics' have more to do with the way he has conducted himself for years and tennis officials have allowed him to take his time. Nadal is extremely superstitious and you can see that between points - it's almost obsessive. He is in his own world it seems and that helps him to stay mentally focused.

I think that the good umpires know this. The good ones, however, can also tell that Nadal goes overboard, but it is their job to warn him of this - it is not Nadal's. Rafael will take every advantage he can get and he is right to do so.

People here have apparently forgotten the old days of Connors and McEnroe acting like complete assholes. That was bogus. This is overblown.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 04:19 PM
So everybody knows about Rafa Roids cheating. No surprise there. The only clowns playing blind are his fangirls.

good lord, do you have to gatecrash every single thread about anything rafa-related? you're really annoying.

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 04:19 PM
Umpires complaining about such things when its' their fault is :tape: material.

I know. Never trust anything without names. I don't believe these quotes.

Exactly - they're there to enforce these types of rules, not ignore them and then complain he takes liberties.

Either penalise him or don't but don't let him get away with it then complain he does it.

Pathetic really.

Yep. It can't be that big of a deal to watch a clock and say warning Mr. Nadal.

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:19 PM
So everybody knows about Rafa Roids cheating. No surprise there. The only clowns playing blind are his fangirls.

agreed - it makes me want to throw up. Blaze-2004 especially :wavey:

raeesa301
07-05-2007, 04:21 PM
It so ironic. The umpires are the ones who have the power to make Nadal hurry up on court, but here they are complaining about Nadal taking extra time. Those umpires might as well complain that umpires don't do their jobs properly.

Then again... this is a Swedish paper, so they could've made it all up.

The_Nadal_effect
07-05-2007, 04:21 PM
Nadal is cheating scum who needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut. Soderling has class and respect for the other players but Nadal's bad sportsmanship is disgraceful :retard:

I really enjoyed your Safinated/ Haasinated/ Jankovated/ Juanated posts! Now why don't you revert to that instead of pretending you can write unbiased sense!

Now go do a 'Gasquated' before I do it! ": banana :"

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 04:21 PM
Umpires complaining about such things when its' their fault is :tape: material.

:yeah: most of them lack balls big time when it comes to warn The Mighty Nadal...

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:22 PM
agreed - it makes me want to throw up. Blaze-2004 especially :wavey:

go ahead and throw up then, no shit out of my ass :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:22 PM
I think that Nadal's sportsmanship is exemplary. He never shows any aggression towards his opponent and is quick to congratulate the opponent when he is the loser.

I think that his 'delay tactics' have more to do with the way he has conducted himself for years and tennis officials have allowed him to take his time. Nadal is extremely superstitious and you can see that between points - it's almost obsessive. He is in his own world it seems and that helps him to stay mentally focused.

I think that the good umpires know this. The good ones, however, can also tell that Nadal goes overboard, but it is their job to warn him of this - it is not Nadal's. Rafael will take every advantage he can get and he is right to do so.

People here have apparently forgotten the old days of Connors and McEnroe acting like complete assholes. That was bogus. This is overblown.

:retard:

All his losses are because of injuries. Never gave an opponent credit for winning. Biased :bs:

good lord, do you have to gatecrash every single thread about anything rafa-related? you're really annoying.

You're not very smart, I guess. This thread is about the moonballer.

Deivid23
07-05-2007, 04:23 PM
Were umpires making a chorus in a press conference?

justClaudia
07-05-2007, 04:23 PM
I know. Never trust anything without names. I don't believe these quotes.

Yep. It can't be that big of a deal to watch a clock and say warning Mr. Nadal.

:yeah:

it's in their hands to change it, and only in their hands.

MarieS
07-05-2007, 04:23 PM
that is by far the most :retard:ed piece of nadal-hate I've ever seen :haha:.
The umpires, instead of whining, could give him a warning once in a while...cowards :retard:.

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 04:24 PM
Exactly - they're there to enforce these types of rules, not ignore them and then complain he takes liberties.

Either penalise him or don't but don't let him get away with it then complain he does it.

Pathetic really.

Indeed. It's the umpires themselves that should enforce the rules, so if there's anyone to take the blame, it's themselves. Not Rafa taking his chances where he gets them, not his opponents to point it out towards him.

For some reason I think that article is fake.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:24 PM
People probably have ADD here. What the umpires are saying is that if they enforce the rule ATP and ITF punish them.

tangerine_dream
07-05-2007, 04:24 PM
If the umps and other players had that big of an issue with him they would be paying more attention to the clock. It's the umpires that aren't enforcing the rule so they can't be to bothered by it.
I agree. Who are these umpires who are too scared to give Nadal a warning during matches but prefer to run and whine to the newspapers about him? Give me names.

Then again, this artice comes from a swedish paper the day after their boy Soderling lost to Nadal. So there we have it. :)

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:25 PM
go ahead and throw up then, no shit out of my ass :wavey:

maybe Nadal can pick it out for you :rolleyes:



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Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 04:26 PM
The lack of names make me thing it's complete BS.

MCL
07-05-2007, 04:26 PM
If the umps and other players had that big of an issue with him they would be paying more attention to the clock. It's the umpires that aren't enforcing the rule so they can't be to bothered by it.

:yeah:

MarieS
07-05-2007, 04:26 PM
People probably ADD here. What the umpires are saying is that if they enforce the rule ATP and ITF punish them.

Then that's really not Nadal's fault; it's more of a sad commentary on the ATP than anything else :shrug:. If you actually buy that :bs: you'll notice that they said that Fed gets the same sort of preferential treatment....

scoobs
07-05-2007, 04:27 PM
No hyperlink to the article, no names given...yeah it sounds like BS to me.

Thinking about it a little more, umpires are rarely, if ever, that indiscreet - they hardly ever talk to the media and don't comment about players that they will then have to officiate for.

gusman890
07-05-2007, 04:27 PM
Rafaroids needs agassi to teach him to go fast.

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 04:28 PM
you'll notice that they said that Fed gets the same sort of preferential treatment....

I can't remember Fed taking 30+ sec in between points :)

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 04:28 PM
No Nadal will get a warning and speed himself up. They stop at the one warning. This isn't a reflection of the ATP being incompetent, for once.

During the match it's the umpires job to enforce the time rule. They don't.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:29 PM
maybe Nadal can pick it out for you :rolleyes:



http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/sign0024.gif

:rolleyes: You really are pathetic. Go back to your meds

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:29 PM
Then that's really not Nadal's fault; it's more of a sad commentary on the ATP than anything else :shrug:. If you actually buy that :bs: you'll notice that they said that Fed gets the same sort of preferential treatment....

Report me Federer's gamesmanship.

MisterQ
07-05-2007, 04:29 PM
I think that Nadal's sportsmanship is exemplary. He never shows any aggression towards his opponent and is quick to congratulate the opponent when he is the loser.

I think that his 'delay tactics' have more to do with the way he has conducted himself for years and tennis officials have allowed him to take his time. Nadal is extremely superstitious and you can see that between points - it's almost obsessive. He is in his own world it seems and that helps him to stay mentally focused.

I think that the good umpires know this. The good ones, however, can also tell that Nadal goes overboard, but it is their job to warn him of this - it is not Nadal's. Rafael will take every advantage he can get and he is right to do so.

People here have apparently forgotten the old days of Connors and McEnroe acting like complete assholes. That was bogus. This is overblown.

That's a great assessment of the situation. :yeah:

justClaudia
07-05-2007, 04:29 PM
People probably ADD here. What the umpires are saying is that if they enforce the rule ATP and ITF punish them.

okay.

then who are this 'umpires'?

you hate Nadal, and every little thing is bashing object for you, and that's fine by me, I couldn't care less in fact. now, I can't believe you actually buy this. c'mon! I know you're smarter than that. :p

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:30 PM
I really enjoyed your Safinated/ Haasinated/ Jankovated/ Juanated posts! Now why don't you revert to that instead of pretending you can write unbiased sense!

Now go do a 'Gasquated' before I do it! ": banana :"

i never pretended i could :tape: :devil:

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 04:30 PM
:haha: what a thread.

The swedish paper said to robin he probably wont get the Stefan Edberg award for good sportsmanship. Robin answered: " I don't want that price, I want big titles." Other than that robin refused to talk bad about Nadal in the media, even if he had many things to say.:cool:

:rolls: you do that Robin, keep getting those RG titles and TMS titles :worship:

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 04:30 PM
Seriously I'm thinking that a lot of people learned about gamesmanship this week. All of a sudden everything a player does is a reflection of it.

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:31 PM
:rolleyes: You really are pathetic. Go back to your meds

go back to masturbating over a freeze frame of Nadal ass picking :rolleyes:

Tzar
07-05-2007, 04:32 PM
Aftonbladet, a swedish newspaper asked some of the umpires to comment on the Nadal immitation, and they said:

"Its crazy that Nadal can act like he does. He waits longer than 20 secs every time. But many umpires dont dare to do anything."

another umpire sais:

"Nadal has no good sportsmanship, but thats the way tennis is. Nadal and Federer are big stars for tennis, and no one can touch them. If you do you wont get any support from the people you. Its embarrasing."

another:

"Nadal has gone too far, so its good Söderling marked that."

The swedish paper said to robin he probably wont get the Stefan Edberg award for good sportsmanship. Robin answered: " I don't want that price, I want big titles." Other than that robin refused to talk bad about Nadal in the media, even if he had many things to say.:cool:

You mean Prize? :rolleyes:

rofe
07-05-2007, 04:34 PM
This thread is useless without adequate references.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:34 PM
go back to masturbating over a freeze frame of Nadal ass picking :rolleyes:

bad joke. 3/10. Very old and unoriginal. get some new material, idiot. youve got nearly 3000 posts, all bullshit. try to up that percentage a bit more

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:35 PM
bad joke. 3/10. Very old and unoriginal. get some new material, idiot. youve got nearly 3000 posts, all bullshit. try to up that percentage a bit more

Nadals game :worship:

Psichogauchovna
07-05-2007, 04:35 PM
Soderling acted like a child and got overplayed in the final set, get over it.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:36 PM
okay.

then who are this 'umpires'?

you hate Nadal, and every little thing is bashing object for you, and that's fine by me, I couldn't care less in fact. now, I can't believe you actually buy this. c'mon! I know you're smarter than that. :p

Are you just blind or what? Can't you realise it's a corporation there? You can't simply reveal stuff and expect to be protected.


:rolls: you do that Robin, keep getting those RG titles and TMS titles :worship:

Soderling has a much better chance at the US than Nadal.

The_Nadal_effect
07-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Indeed. It's the umpires themselves that should enforce the rules, so if there's anyone to take the blame, it's themselves. Not Rafa taking his chances where he gets them, not his opponents to point it out towards him.

For some reason I think that article is fake.

Brilliant post! ...And such a simple solution.

All they have to do is CHANGE THE RULES! That's all, and I don't think Rafa will complain. But as long as there is no real rule, and all this bickering behind the bush, when he is only doing things within what is possible...nobody should complain.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:37 PM
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,1112554,00.html

Here's the link. Now tell me the Swede's making it up. :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Nadals game :worship:

another unoriginal comment. His bullshit game has achieved more than 90% of the tour in the past 3 years alone.

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:38 PM
another unoriginal comment. His bullshit game has achieved more than 90% of the tour in the past 3 years alone.

moonballing :zzz:

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 04:39 PM
Soderling has a much better chance at the US than Nadal.
:haha:

He has a much better chance at Wimbledon as well, no? :awww: :baby:

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 04:39 PM
lets finish with this farse nadal is a great player, awesome , a legend, blah blah blah but he uses gamesmaship -although no as much as fakevic of course-

nobody can refuse that, i mean nobody who is unbiased and makes use of at least 5% of his brain

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:39 PM
He has, as both will never win Wimbledon.

A_Skywalker
07-05-2007, 04:40 PM
Soderling is the man, he is the best in the world

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:40 PM
Soderling has a much better chance at the US than Nadal.

Glenn, please, your bullshit must stop somewhere.

Soderling has no fucking chance of ever winning a slam, anywhere. Nadal has a better chance than Soderling in any of the slams

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:41 PM
Glenn, please, your bullshit must stop somewhere.

Soderling has no fucking chance of ever winning a slam, anywhere. Nadal has a better chance than Soderling in any of the slams

No. Soderling has no chance but excepting the farse called French Open Nadal has no chance whatsoever.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:41 PM
moonballing :zzz:

just another broken fucking record of a Fedtard. Pathetic

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,1112554,00.html

Here's the link. Now tell me the Swede's making it up. :rolleyes:

who cares if its fake or not? Its bullshit whining either way. Grow some fucking balls, these umps and fucking call the violation. Until then, dont bitch like a little girl.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:43 PM
Maybe if your Roid king weren't such a diva, they'd be able to. ATP clearly protects the moonballer, we all know that.

MCL
07-05-2007, 04:43 PM
The media think they are helping Soderling out -- they aren't. Slow-poke Nadal is a better player and a far better politician than Soderling.

Soderling will now be known as the guy who mocked Nadal. Plus, Soderling wants to drop the whole thing and get back to tennis. Now cowards who should have addressed Nadal on court are using Soderling as a shield for their bitching.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:44 PM
No. Soderling has no chance but excepting the farse called French Open Nadal has no chance whatsoever.

The french open is a farce, the AO is the MM slam, so now according to you, there are only 2 slams a year? :o

And Nadal has a chance in every slam he enters, and you know it

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:44 PM
just another broken fucking record of a Fedtard. Pathetic
.

im no Fedtard :rolleyes:

Nadal needs to learn manners (tough for pigs i know :tape:) :wavey:

mashamaniac
07-05-2007, 04:45 PM
I think that Nadal's sportsmanship is exemplary. He never shows any aggression towards his opponent and is quick to congratulate the opponent when he is the loser.

I think that his 'delay tactics' have more to do with the way he has conducted himself for years and tennis officials have allowed him to take his time. Nadal is extremely superstitious and you can see that between points - it's almost obsessive. He is in his own world it seems and that helps him to stay mentally focused.

I think that the good umpires know this. The good ones, however, can also tell that Nadal goes overboard, but it is their job to warn him of this - it is not Nadal's. Rafael will take every advantage he can get and he is right to do so.

People here have apparently forgotten the old days of Connors and McEnroe acting like complete assholes. That was bogus. This is overblown.

completely agreed!:wavey:

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:45 PM
And Nadal has a chance in every slam he enters, and you know it

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 04:46 PM
Maybe if your Roid king weren't such a diva, they'd be able to. ATP clearly protects the moonballer, we all know that.

Keep up your anti-Nadal bullshit propaganda, man, its almost starting to resemble a political campaign

im no Fedtard :rolleyes:

Nadal needs to learn manners (tough for pigs i know :tape:) :wavey:

waste of time and space

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 04:46 PM
All they have to do is CHANGE THE RULES! That's all, and I don't think Rafa will complain. But as long as there is no real rule, and all this bickering behind the bush, when he is only doing things within what is possible...nobody should complain.

Nay, the rule is already there - not to take more than 20 sec for one's serve. It's a well-known rule, the problem is that umpires often refuse to enforce it. Which means that Rafa should not just get the occasional warning, but should actually get a penalty for it when he continues taking too much time - which he, unfortunately but unmistakable, often does.

With the situation as it is now, Rafa isn't forced to change his time-taking. And the only ones who can and SHOULD do so, are the umpires.

But as others have said already, I can't imagine this article being genuine. No names mentioned, and it seems highly unlikely to me that umpires would talk **** about something which they are responsible for themselves.

safin-rules-no.1
07-05-2007, 04:47 PM
waste of time and space

Nadals game :wavey:

bjurra
07-05-2007, 04:47 PM
Lots of BS in this thread...

1. Did the Swedish journalist make this up? Not impossible but unlikely.

2. Does Nadal delay the game to put off his opponent? Not impossible but unlikely. More likely that he needs the time to do his thing and focus on the next point.

3. Is it Nadal's responsibility to watch the clock between points? Of course not.

4. Are empires too soft on Nadal when it comes to clock watching? Of course they are.

5. Is it likely that other empires are annoyed that the "top empires" (the ones that usually get the Rafa and Federer matches) are too soft on Nadal? Quite likely IMO.

6. Is it likely that the top empires are soft on Rafa because they fear criticism from the ATP? Hard to say, but far from impossible.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:47 PM
The media think they are helping Soderling out -- they aren't. Slow-poke Nadal is a better player and a far better politician than Soderling.

Soderling will now be known as the guy who mocked Nadal. Plus, Soderling wants to drop the whole thing and get back to tennis. Now cowards who should have addressed Nadal on court are using Soderling as a shield for their bitching.

Funny you call them cowards when you're not in their position. What if you had your head constantly under risk at your job? :rolleyes:

The french open is a farce, the AO is the MM slam, so now according to you, there are only 2 slams a year? :o

And Nadal has a chance in every slam he enters, and you know it

There are no decent claycourters anymore. The FO is just damn useless nowadays.

A chance to be embarassed.

The_Nadal_effect
07-05-2007, 04:48 PM
The media think they are helping Soderling out -- they aren't. Slow-poke Nadal is a better player and a far better politician than Soderling.

Soderling will now be known as the guy who mocked Nadal. Plus, Soderling wants to drop the whole thing and get back to tennis. Now cowards who should have addressed Nadal on court are using Soderling as a shield for their bitching.

Truth! Moonballing Nadal is superior than that S&V Soberling! :lol:

most of this thread is turning into a tard war. Everyone has become a 10-year old. :rolls:

mashamaniac
07-05-2007, 04:50 PM
im no Fedtard :rolleyes:

Nadal needs to learn manners (tough for pigs i know :tape:) :wavey:

nadal knows the manners very better than any other stupid guy!

Mr. Magassi
07-05-2007, 04:50 PM
Nadal's a class act! I like him even more...

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:50 PM
Truth! Moonballing Nadal is superior than that S&V Soberling! :lol:

most of this thread is turning into a tard war. Everyone has become a 10-year old. :rolls:

S&V? S&V? Have you ever watched him playing? :retard: Soderling can't hit a volley to save his life. Get a clue, go watch some tennis, :silly: fanboy.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 04:51 PM
Lots of BS in this thread...

1. Did the Swedish journalist make this up? Not impossible but unlikely.

2. Does Nadal delay the game to put off his opponent? Not impossible but unlikely. More likely that he needs the time to do his thing and focus on the next point.

3. Is it Nadal's responsibility to watch the clock between points? Of course not.

4. Are empires too soft on Nadal when it comes to clock watching? Of course they are.

5. Is it likely that other empires are annoyed that the "top empires" (the ones that usually get the Rafa and Federer matches) are too soft on Nadal? Quite likely IMO.

6. Is it likely that the top empires are soft on Rafa because they fear criticism from the ATP? Hard to say, but far from impossible.

2. No no, he's an angel. :rolleyes:

3. It is his responsability to follow the rules.

Truc
07-05-2007, 04:53 PM
All the comments about the lack of names don't make sense, of course they can't give names even if it's true, umpires are not allowed to talk to the media about the players.

(It is very strict - for example there was an article about Sandra de Jenken last time in Tennis Magazine and it is completely boring because she isn't allowed to say anything about the tour.)

justClaudia
07-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Are you just blind or what? Can't you realise it's a corporation there? You can't simply reveal stuff and expect to be protected.


Heeeey, chill.
just because I've asked you a question you go and call me blind? :lol: Relax, I'm not your enemy kid, nor was I attempting to attack you or something. I'm not even a Nadal fan. :lol:

I simply made you question, because ( and as usual ) you jumped into conclusions even before there was any sort of link. you found it now, good for you. just relax, you take this way too seriously. :lol:

The_Nadal_effect
07-05-2007, 04:56 PM
Nay, the rule is already there - not to take more than 20 sec for one's serve. It's a well-known rule, the problem is that umpires often refuse to enforce it. Which means that Rafa should not just get the occasional warning, but should actually get a penalty for it when he continues taking too much time - which he, unfortunately but unmistakable, often does.

With the situation as it is now, Rafa isn't forced to change his time-taking. And the only ones who can and SHOULD do so, are the umpires.

But as others have said already, I can't imagine this article being genuine. No names mentioned, and it seems highly unlikely to me that umpires would talk **** about something which they are responsible for themselves.

Thanks for the clarification, Karin!

Very well, then they MUST lay a penalty on him, and Nadal, I am sure can learn to gather himself within that stipulated period.

MCL
07-05-2007, 04:56 PM
Funny you call them cowards when you're not in their position. What if you had your head constantly under risk at your job? :rolleyes:

Do you really believe that they are under pressure to relax rules for Rafa? I'm just saying that they had to wait for Soderling to finally speak up.

Even if there is favortism for Nadal, it is doubtful that Nadal would take offense at being forced to abide by the rules. If Rafa doesn't get pissed, then who are they appeasing?

The_Nadal_effect
07-05-2007, 05:00 PM
S&V? S&V? Have you ever watched him playing? :retard: Soderling can't hit a volley to save his life. Get a clue, go watch some tennis, :silly: fanboy.

You mean that its only S, no V! That's horrible.

Amazing that he makes it to the third round with an S&S game:p

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 05:04 PM
All the comments about the lack of names don't make sense, of course they can't give names even if it's true, umpires are not allowed to talk to the media about the players.

(It is very strict - for example there was an article about Sandra de Jenken last time in Tennis Magazine and it is completely boring because she isn't allowed to say anything about the tour.)

If it was such a big deal that they didn't talk about the tour they would have never said anything that could be quoted to the press.

Lots of holes.

I also just do not understand why umpires would go out and bitch about something that they can easily change.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 05:04 PM
Heeeey, chill.
just because I've asked you a question you go and call me blind? :lol: Relax, I'm not your enemy kid, nor was I attempting to attack you or something. I'm not even a Nadal fan. :lol:

I simply made you question, because ( and as usual ) you jumped into conclusions even before there was any sort of link. you found it now, good for you. just relax, you take this way too seriously. :lol:

It's the ruining of my favorite sport. Of course I care.

Do you really believe that they are under pressure to relax rules for Rafa? I'm just saying that they had to wait for Soderling to finally speak up.

Even if there is favortism for Nadal, it is doubtful that Nadal would take offense at being forced to abide by the rules. If Rafa doesn't get pissed, then who are they appeasing?

He's always playing Diva, don't give me that "he wouldn't take offense". In Madrid he was complaining because he got a warning. Nobody complains about warnings, except the Diva Roids.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 05:07 PM
You mean that its only S, no V! That's horrible.

Amazing that he makes it to the third round with an S&S game:p

If it was such a big deal that they didn't talk about the tour they would have never said anything that could be quoted to the press.

Lots of holes.

I also just do not understand why umpires would go out and bitch about something that they can easily change.

:rolleyes: that's pure naïveté. If even top members of goverments reveal matters of importance if they can remain anonymous, why wouldn't the umpires? :rolleyes:

RagingLamb
07-05-2007, 05:08 PM
the umpires are pu$$ies. they should either say something during the matches, or keep their f***in' mouths shut.

they've only made themselves look bad now. they're not professionals, they're amatures.

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 05:09 PM
It's the ruining of my favorite sport. Of course I care.
:awww: :baby:

He will go to hell.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 05:10 PM
the umpires are pu$$ies. they should either say something during the matches, or keep their f***in' mouths shut.

they've only made themselves look bad now. they're not professionals, they're amatures.

And you had any doubts about it?

:awww: :baby:

He will go to hell.

He will get scarred by the roids, I don't believe in hell.

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 05:11 PM
Okay.

Then why would they feel like they had to go talk to the press? Why wouldn't the umps just do something about it during a match when it's easiest.

It's reporting. The point is to make a story that gets peoples attention. To believe everything that comes off the fingers of the press is also very dumb. You're comments are also fueled by your dislike of Nadal not anything else.


Umpires also do give him warnings just not that frequently. I think it bugs the players more then the umps.

MCL
07-05-2007, 05:11 PM
[QUOTE=
He's always playing Diva, don't give me that "he wouldn't take offense". In Madrid he was complaining because he got a warning. Nobody complains about warnings, except the Diva Roids.[/QUOTE]

:wavey:

RagingLamb
07-05-2007, 05:11 PM
And you had any doubts about it?

I guess I shouldn't have...

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 05:12 PM
He will get scarred by the roids, I don't believe in hell.

Maybe he'll have a roid rage.

A_Skywalker
07-05-2007, 05:19 PM
Soderling is the better player, no need to argue here. He has won over 20 titles, how dare he lose to nadal, that bastard

alfonsojose
07-05-2007, 05:25 PM
they didnt have the balls to put their names out there
Drugs grow your balls. Ask the doping bull :ras:

Forehander
07-05-2007, 05:25 PM
It's called Loopholes in the rules of tennis. If they don't want Nadal to take so much time every point then just change the game rules so that Nadal will receive more warnings. It's not cheating, it's called tactics. You want to see a huge sarcastic cheater with no sportsmanship? Go watch Novak Djokovic.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 05:26 PM
Okay.

Then why would they feel like they had to go talk to the press? Why wouldn't the umps just do something about it during a match when it's easiest.

It's reporting. The point is to make a story that gets peoples attention. To believe everything that comes off the fingers of the press is also very dumb. You're comments are also fueled by your dislike of Nadal not anything else.


Umpires also do give him warnings just not that frequently. I think it bugs the players more then the umps.

Again. The umpires CAN'T DO ANYTHING, if they do they get warned/penalised afterwards. Is it so hard to get it? :scratch:

It's easier to believe in the press this time because everybody's complaining. Maybe it's not all truth, but you can't deny the gamesmanship.

Maybe he'll have a roid rage.

Or a diva rage.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 05:28 PM
It's called Loopholes in the rules of tennis. If they don't want Nadal to take so much time every point then just change the game rules so that Nadal will receive more warnings. It's not cheating, it's called tactics. You want to see a huge sarcastic cheater with no sportsmanship? Go watch Novak Djokovic.

:lol: if Novak does half of what Diva Roids does he's a huge sarcastic cheater.

Talk about double standards.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-05-2007, 05:30 PM
Soderling is the better player, no need to argue here. He has won over 20 titles, how dare he lose to nadal, that bastard

I love how a sane persons sarcasm sounds like Glenn the clown.

GlennMirnyi
07-05-2007, 05:31 PM
I love how a sane persons sarcasm sounds like Glenn the clown.

There is the dopetard. :D

Burrow
07-05-2007, 05:31 PM
nadal is a wuse.

Burrow
07-05-2007, 05:32 PM
Soderling is the better player, no need to argue here. He has won over 20 titles, how dare he lose to nadal, that bastard

one of the biggest mugs on here.

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 05:37 PM
Again. The umpires CAN'T DO ANYTHING, if they do they get warned/penalised afterwards. Is it so hard to get it? :scratch:



In the match they can do something. It's their job. Nadal goes over the time he gets a warning and so on. Are you thinking of the just way he stretches out the time? Because I'm talking about actual time violations. You know things that are against the rules.

It's not like the umps are just sitting in that chair for eye candy. They have a job to do.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 05:38 PM
Gu, where is your evidence that the umps might lose their jobs if they warn Nadal?

MariaV
07-05-2007, 05:39 PM
People probably have ADD here. What the umpires are saying is that if they enforce the rule ATP and ITF punish them.

Are you like totally retarded? It is their JOB to enforce rules you know, that's why they are there in the first place. :cuckoo:
And HOW can ATP or ITF punish them for ENFORCING the rules? :rolleyes:
And don't come with the :bs: about special treatment and stuff.

Again. The umpires CAN'T DO ANYTHING, if they do they get warned/penalised afterwards. Is it so hard to get it? :scratch:

YES it is. IF they feel 'scared' or feel they're being indirectly punished there are legal actions for that. :D
BUT NO-ONE repeat NO-ONE can punish/penalise them for enforcing the rules. Is it so hard to get THAT? :scratch:

What Andy Roddick had to say on the matter:
Q. After the Nadal/Soderling match, Soderling raised and issue about Nadal's delaying tactics. What is Nadal's reputation as far as the pace of his play, and does it ever get to you when you play him?

ANDY RODDICK: I don't know. It hasn't bothered me when I faced him. You know, don't ask me a question that you know the answer to. It's been brought up before. But it doesn't bother me when we play.


http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2007-07-04/200707041183555953359.html

And Andy is one of the most fast-paced playes between serves.

Forehander
07-05-2007, 05:41 PM
just make huge screen timer so every single person can see. that oughta stop him :)

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 05:42 PM
just make huge screen timer so every single person can see. that oughta stop him :)

That would be fun. A little count down clock. :lol:

MariaV
07-05-2007, 05:42 PM
Gu, where is your evidence that the umps might lose their jobs if they warn Nadal?

There isn't any evidence, Jonathan. :D

connectolove
07-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Where are the names of these Umpires???

MariaV
07-05-2007, 05:44 PM
That would be fun. A little count down clock. :lol:

Yeah well if someone feels it's SUCH a huge problem they use such clocks in basketball and at track & field for field events attempts or the green light for like 10 sec (I think or smth like that) at ski jumping for example. :shrug: It could be used at the service speed monitors/clocks with match time. Wouldn't be that big of a problem.

rafa_maniac
07-05-2007, 05:45 PM
Okay, let me get one thing straight here... So apparently these umpires are all so terrified for their jobs that they can't even enforce the rules in matches, in other words perform the very task they were hired BY the ATP to perform, but it's not likely to offend the top players at all if they all start blabbing to the tabloids about how awful the player's habits are :confused:


:wavey:

ugotlobbed
07-05-2007, 05:47 PM
no big deal the umpires just need to step up and tell nadal to hurry it up, i mean honestly, if your a player and you dont like it just tell it to nadals face thats wat i would do

anon57
07-05-2007, 05:49 PM
If the umpires think/feel that Nadal is taking too much time between points, they should enforce the rules.

Sofyaxo
07-05-2007, 05:52 PM
Yeah well if someone feels it's SUCH a huge problem they use such clocks in basketball and at track & field for field events attempts or the green light for like 10 sec (I think or smth like that) at ski jumping for example. :shrug: It could be used at the service speed monitors/clocks with match time. Wouldn't be that big of a problem.

I know. It's all a bunch of easy solutions if it is that big of a deal, which I doubt it is in reality. Like I said before it's not that hard to say warning Mr.Nadal time violation. What do they think he's going to find them and beat them up after the match? Because that's what some people are making it sound like.

If the umpires think/feel that Nadal is taking too much time between points, they should enforce the rules.

Yeah that's been said a few times.

Aphex
07-05-2007, 05:56 PM
:haha: Thanks all for the entertainment. Your bitching is almost as fun as the Swedish press.:worship:

Forehander
07-05-2007, 05:56 PM
Umpires just go on a strike then

SBruguera
07-05-2007, 06:04 PM
Swedish newspaper.
No umpires names.
Suspicious.

:scratch:

Allstar
07-05-2007, 06:10 PM
I think that his 'delay tactics' have more to do with the way he has conducted himself for years and tennis officials have allowed him to take his time. Nadal is extremely superstitious and you can see that between points - it's almost obsessive. He is in his own world it seems and that helps him to stay mentally focused.

Interesting to see Nadal playing very quick today after Youzhny got injured and it looked like the rain was coming

MarieS
07-05-2007, 06:18 PM
Maybe if your Roid king weren't such a diva, they'd be able to. ATP clearly protects the moonballer, we all know that.
IF this is the case (which you have no evidence of), ever wonder why ATP protects him? And how ridiculous of you to suggest that umpires would get fired if they warned Nadal...

The french open is a farce, the AO is the MM slam, so now according to you, there are only 2 slams a year? :o
Wimbledon is the only legitimate slam where 3rd round gets played on the 2nd Wednesday :haha::retard:.

foolish pleasure
07-05-2007, 06:32 PM
The media think they are helping Soderling out -- they aren't. Slow-poke Nadal is a better player and a far better politician than Soderling.

Soderling will now be known as the guy who mocked Nadal. Plus, Soderling wants to drop the whole thing and get back to tennis. Now cowards who should have addressed Nadal on court are using Soderling as a shield for their bitching.

How many other players besides Nadal have you ever heard consistently dissing and gossiping about the other players to the press?

Anyway I don't see your point: Robin has become THE media darling of this year's Wimbledon:p --he's the new Marat for them (specially since Marat has been so damn cranky for the last three years). Mimicking the Nadal butt-picking-thing was classic:lol: , so was following it up with his funny comment that "why would he apologize for letcords when he is isn't sorry but it is the happiest moment of his life?!" He vaulted himself into a player who will always be talked about now.

It seems a very Swedish reaction to me--all of the Swedes I know think Americans and Brits are fake because we are all the time apologizing when we do not mean a word of it. When a Swede says he's sorry--it means something. I will take honesty of fakeness anyday.

Locker-room justice will probably get Nadal in the end if he isn't careful--that's why he doesn't jump around like a fool after every single point anymore. I wouldn't be surprise if by the time the US Open rolls around Nadal has suddenly learned some discretion about constantly dissing other players in the press.

BTW: The press tried to get Berdych to gossip about Nadal today, just as they tried with Robin, but Thomas didn't lower himself either:hug:--however, Nadal was just on ESPN bad-mouthing Thomas, though to his "credit" he did say, "but Thomas not so bad as Soderling.":rolleyes:

Anyone who could support a whinny, pissy little boy is beyond me(though I have noticed that Nadal's fans as a group are routinely the most foul-mouthed and rude on this site. I have no problem with a little cursing, but these guys make it really unpleasant to even come here anymore).

shotgun
07-05-2007, 06:36 PM
This article seems to be very biased, it looks like the ones giving the interview were amateur Swedish umpires. :lol:

I think that Nadal's sportsmanship is exemplary. He never shows any aggression towards his opponent and is quick to congratulate the opponent when he is the loser.

I think that his 'delay tactics' have more to do with the way he has conducted himself for years and tennis officials have allowed him to take his time. Nadal is extremely superstitious and you can see that between points - it's almost obsessive. He is in his own world it seems and that helps him to stay mentally focused.

Don't get me wrong, but I think your assessment of the situation is typical of a Nadal fan.

mangoes
07-05-2007, 06:37 PM
I know. It's all a bunch of easy solutions if it is that big of a deal, which I doubt it is in reality. Like I said before it's not that hard to say warning Mr.Nadal time violation. What do they think he's going to find them and beat them up after the match? Because that's what some people are making it sound like.



Yeah that's been said a few times.


I don't think it's that simple to keep warning Nadal. Last year, some umpires started trying to enforce the time rule and Nadal complained about being attacked by the umpires.

This is like any other corporate system. The people bringing in the big money get away with tweaking the rules. If a couple of umpires kept trying to keep Nadal to the time clock, they'd be out of a job within 6 months........it seems unfair, but that's the way life works most times.

So I'm not surprised by their private admissions. There's nothing that can be done about it.........such is life.

At this point, my suggestion is that the other players begin taking their time to set their points up.........we see Djokovic has started doing just that.....his match against Hewitt is a perfect example. Time for all of them to use this tweak in the rule to their advantage.

MCL
07-05-2007, 06:50 PM
How many other players besides Nadal have you ever heard consistently dissing and gossiping about the other players to the press?...

.

Which other players has Nadal complained about? Berdych shushed the crowd in Nadal's home country and Nadal called him a bad man. Soderling responded to Rafa's stalling with a joke and Rafa got pissed off. Whether he responded in the best way or not, he has no lengthy history of moaning about players in the press.

Soderling doesn't want to be the media darling - that's probably why he refused to take the bait in his press conference. Dislike Rafa all you want but don't present him as something he's not. He's a slowpoke who pumps himself up and seldom complains about specific people in the english-speaking press.

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 06:51 PM
berdych,federer,soderling and Gaudio


Which other players has Nadal complained about? Berdych shushed the crowd in Nadal's home country and Nadal called him a bad man. Soderling responded to Rafa's stalling with a joke and Rafa got pissed off. Whether he responded in the best way or not, he has no lengthy history of moaning about players in the press.

Soderling doesn't want to be the media darling - that's probably why he refused to take the bait in his press conference. Dislike Rafa all you want but don't present him as something he's not. He's a slowpoke who pumps himself up and seldom complains in the english-speaking press.

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 06:54 PM
anyway that sweden newspaper should cite the namesof those supposed umpire but that article lacks of truthfulness

Exodus
07-05-2007, 06:57 PM
this is probably the last year for nadal at the very top of his game. Other players are taking over for sure

ugotlobbed
07-05-2007, 07:01 PM
i want to see nadal play kiefer i bet itll be worse than soderling

ASP0315
07-05-2007, 07:10 PM
Some Swedes are just being crybabies. :lol:

Geniey2g
07-05-2007, 07:20 PM
pretty cheap shot to talk to journalists instead of talking to nadal himself. i'm sure he'd understand if you'd just talk to him in a decent way.
Exactly.
And the fact that the umpires wished to remain anon = :rolleyes: wimps.

Rafa can only do what the umpires allow him to; if they haven't got the guts to check him on it and start docking points etc. etc., he will continue. It's like with kids; you threaten without action, they keep doing :D

foolish pleasure
07-05-2007, 07:28 PM
Which other players has Nadal complained about? Berdych shushed the crowd in Nadal's home country and Nadal called him a bad man. Soderling responded to Rafa's stalling with a joke and Rafa got pissed off. Whether he responded in the best way or not, he has no lengthy history of moaning about players in the press.

Soderling doesn't want to be the media darling - that's probably why he refused to take the bait in his press conference. Dislike Rafa all you want but don't present him as something he's not. He's a slowpoke who pumps himself up and seldom complains about specific people in the english-speaking press.

thanks for making my point for me with your example:hug: i have never heard a player call another player "a bad man" in the press, other than nadal, in my entire life.

nadal absolutely has a reputation for bad mouthing other players, maybe you just can't see it because you are a fan, and so you assume he is always justified when he does it (just as you used to excuse all of marat's faults over at theguyfromrussia board).

among others, nadal has dissed federer (for being a bad loser), berdych (for being a bad man), soderling (for being a bad sport), and in the same interview where he dissed thomas today, he also implied that youhzny was faking his injury in their match.

nadal badmouths other players a lot--i don't like or dislike nadal one way or the other, but i would never support him, because i dislike whining and badmouthing and gossiping (which is why i quit supporting marat because he did too much of that too). what is even worse with nadal is that he often disses these players right after having just beaten them--being a sore winner is so beyond tacky.

it is immaterial if robin wants to be a media darling or not--being one isn't something one chooses, its something that is chosen for oneself. as a safin fan you ought to know that:p

ps: please go watch the match--robin was not responding to nadal's stalling when he mimicked him but to nadal's sarcastically having made fun of him for changing out his racket. robin even said so in his interview.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED: nadal failed to announce to the new balls, thereby forcing the umpire to announce them--at which point robin ran over to change out his racket--an action that annoyed nadal because nadal was ready to serve (even though it was his own fault for not announcing the new balls in the first place)--while robin changed out his racket (pretty speedily too, BTW), nadal was visibly making a fuss over the time robin was taking. nadal then prepared to serve, stopped, sarcastically announced the new balls, and THAT is when robin pulled at his pants. all in all i think robin handled the whole situation perfectly--i fear to think how many pieces nadal would be in if he'd done that with hewitt on the other side of the net :bolt: :lol:

Modetopia
07-05-2007, 07:30 PM
i want to see nadal play kiefer i bet itll be worse than soderling
I want to see Nadal play Mary Pierce.:devil:

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 07:38 PM
among others, nadal has dissed federer (for being a bad loser), berdych (for being a bad man), soderling (for being a bad sport), and in the same interview where he dissed thomas today, he also implied that youhzny was faking his injury in their match.


:confused: :confused: :confused:
Do you have a link to a transcript? I haven't seen or heard him say anything 'bad' today.
In contrary, Tomas himself said in his interview that all the troubles between Rafa and him have been dealt with and that they get along with each other like with any other player. And as for implying that Youzhny was faking his injury - sorry, I won't believe this as long as you don't come up with a transcript.

There's no need to depict Rafa as an innocent little angel, but it's also not necessary to make him into a dissing devil.

MCL
07-05-2007, 07:44 PM
thanks for making my point for me with your example:hug: i have never heard a player call another player "a bad man" in the press, other than nadal, in my entire life.

nadal absolutely has a reputation for bad mouthing other players, maybe you just can't see it because you are a fan, and so you assume he is always justified when he does it (just as you used to excuse all of marat's faults over at theguyfromrussia board).

among others, nadal has dissed federer (for being a bad loser), berdych (for being a bad man), soderling (for being a bad sport), and in the same interview where he dissed thomas today, he also implied that youhzny was faking his injury in their match.

nadal badmouths other players a lot--i don't like or dislike nadal one way or the other, but i would never support him, because i dislike whining and badmouthing and gossiping (which is why i quit supporting marat because he did too much of that too). what is even worse with nadal is that he often disses these players right after having just beaten them--being a sore winner is so beyond tacky.

it is immaterial if robin wants to be a media darling or not--being one isn't something one chooses, its something that is chosen for oneself. as a safin fan you ought to know that:p

ps: please go watch the match--robin was not responding to nadal's stalling when he mimicked him but to nadal's sarcastically having made fun of him for changing out his racket. robin even said so in his interview.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED: nadal failed to announce to the new balls, thereby forcing the umpire to announce them--at which point robin ran over to change out his racket--an action that annoyed nadal because nadal was ready to serve (even though it was his own fault for not announcing the new balls in the first place)--while robin changed out his racket (pretty speedily too, BTW), nadal was visibly making a fuss over the time robin was taking. nadal then prepared to serve, stopped, sarcastically announced the new balls, and THAT is when robin pulled at his pants. all in all i think robin handled the whole situation perfectly--i fear to think how many pieces nadal would be in if he'd done that with hewitt on the other side of the net :bolt: :lol:


You dislike Nadal's behavior. That's fine by me. You don't have to like him. :p

However, I am not on the guyfromrussia board.:scratch: Perhaps someone else uses the same initials.

tennis2tennis
07-05-2007, 07:46 PM
I honestly don't think nadal is doing it on purpose, it just his style of play...unfortunately it going to be misinterpreted and he'll get a bad rep a bit like olympic diving team that is the portugal and Italian football national team

Jim Courier
07-05-2007, 07:47 PM
this is probably the last year for nadal at the very top of his game. Other players are taking over for sure
You've been predicting Nadal's demise every match though, i can only think of Bud Collins as worse at predictions than you.

MCL
07-05-2007, 07:48 PM
:

There's no need to depict Rafa as an innocent little angel, but it's also not necessary to make him into a dissing devil.

Exactly

A_Skywalker
07-05-2007, 08:07 PM
one of the biggest mugs on here.
Because I show you how you look? And because I make fun of you? And I post one time in a day? You are right, I am ;)

swede
07-05-2007, 08:15 PM
the umpires wouldnt have opened their mouth if they werent promised to be anonymous. and journalists arent allowed to reveal their sources. Perhaps it was Lars Graf, he is swede. Perhaps some more unknown umpires. And i can understand the umpires.. i wouldnt pick to much on the big stars if i werent allowed to be in the big matches after that..its a job, and job is money

bjurra
07-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Exactly.
And the fact that the umpires wished to remain anon = :rolleyes: wimps.

Rafa can only do what the umpires allow him to; if they haven't got the guts to check him on it and start docking points etc. etc., he will continue. It's like with kids; you threaten without action, they keep doing :D

Incredibly stupid comments.

You think a no name empire should walk up to Nadal in the locker room and say "Hey Rafa, stop time wasting!"

Of course, the empires want to stay anonymous, they are not supposed to comment on the players at all, but they are so fed up with the Rafa cuddling that they want to complain anyway.

Eebex
07-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Umpires are Fedtards with no balls and they plunge into darkness even more by not putting their names.
The Light Shall Shine.

bjurra
07-05-2007, 08:30 PM
anyway that sweden newspaper should cite the namesof those supposed umpire but that article lacks of truthfulness

Yes, guaranteeing someone anonymousity and then giving away his name anyway is of course the way to go for any decent journalist. Fool.

MarieS
07-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Incredibly stupid comments.
You think a no name empire should walk up to Nadal in the locker room and say "Hey Rafa, stop time wasting!"


:cuckoo:
No, a simple "Warning, time violation, Mr. Nadal" during the matches will do :o :shrug:.

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 09:23 PM
burra fool read carefully:

a journalist always has to give the names of the people who are interviewed or give an opinion at least it is an exceptional case as for example a witness of a big crime/offsense therefore if that name is known his/her life is in real danger.




Yes, guaranteeing someone anonymousity and then giving away his name anyway is of course the way to go for any decent journalist. Fool.

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 09:25 PM
well of course, the umpires has to say nadal that during his matches and they have to apply the corresponding rules when a fault is made
Incredibly stupid comments.

You think a no name empire should walk up to Nadal in the locker room and say "Hey Rafa, stop time wasting!"

Of course, the empires want to stay anonymous, they are not supposed to comment on the players at all, but they are so fed up with the Rafa cuddling that they want to complain anyway.

Kalliopeia
07-05-2007, 09:30 PM
Just a thought for these umpires: If you don't have the guts to do what you're supposed to do, don't bitch about it. They are there to enforce the rules. It's their own fault if they don't have the stomach for the job.

bjurra
07-05-2007, 09:35 PM
burra fool read carefully:

a journalist always has to give the names of the people who are interviewed or give an opinion at least it is an exceptional case as for example a witness of a big crime/offsense therefore if that name is known his/her life is in real danger.

Maybe in Argentina...:lol:

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 09:35 PM
among others, nadal has dissed federer (for being a bad loser), berdych (for being a bad man), soderling (for being a bad sport), and in the same interview where he dissed thomas today, he also implied that youhzny was faking his injury in their match.

When did he diss Federer for being a bad loser? :confused:

Which interview are you talking about? :lol:

Maybe you should read this : http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2007-07-05/200707051183647630515.html ....... I'm not quite sure where he dissed Tomas and also implied Youzhny was faking :o

Q. He seemed to have a back injury. Did that change the way you played in the third set?

RAFAEL NADAL: I can say nothing because I didn't speak with him after the match. But anyway, I'm sorry for him if he has any problem.

Anyway, I play good game and I don't know if he feel ‑‑ if it affected him, the back problem. I can say nothing about that. Just sorry for him.

Q. Tomas Berdych said he feels grass gives him a slight advantage over you. What are your feelings on that?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yeah, sure. He won the tournament in Halle. He's an unbelievable player. He's playing the last month so much better than the beginning of the season.

So, well, for tomorrow I think for the surface, for everything, he is favorite, no? Just I going to try my best, try to play like today after, but just play my best. I know going to be a very, very tough match.

bjurra
07-05-2007, 09:37 PM
well of course, the umpires has to say nadal that during his matches and they have to apply the corresponding rules when a fault is made

Agreed. However, I think it was the umpires who are never assigned Rafa's matches who complained.

mangoes
07-05-2007, 09:37 PM
:cuckoo:
No, a simple "Warning, time violation, Mr. Nadal" during the matches will do :o :shrug:.

That's been done several times............has it worked??

burra fool read carefully:

a journalist always has to give the names of the people who are interviewed or give an opinion at least it is an exceptional case as for example a witness of a big crime/offsense therefore if that name is known his/her life is in real danger.

In the US, using a scenario as this article, the journalists are not obligated to give names. Sometimes, journalists go to jail for refusing to give out the names of sources.

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 09:39 PM
^^ Thanks for the quotes, Adam.
It's obvious to me that Raf isn't dissing anyone, and surely not suggesting that Misha was faking.

It's incredible what some posters read into player's words... :rolleyes:

mangoes
07-05-2007, 09:40 PM
When did he diss Federer for being a bad loser? :confused:


Last year after Roma Final:p



But, he doesn't seem to be suggesting that Youzhny is faking:shrug:

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 09:41 PM
Last year after Roma Final:p
What did he say?

bjurra
07-05-2007, 09:41 PM
That's been done several times............has it worked??



In the US, using a scenario as this article, the journalists are not obligated to give names. Sometimes, journalists go to jail for refusing to give out the names of sources.

When it's done, it's done when Rafa is two sets and a break up and after Rafa has taken too much time 50 times already. They should give him a warning after the third or fourth time instead, which probably would be in his first service game...

mangoes
07-05-2007, 09:43 PM
What did he say?

I'm sure there is someone that can pull up the transcript of the interview. I don't have the time to go searching. I believe it was after Roger pointed out the coaching that was going on with Uncle Toni....

Kalliopeia
07-05-2007, 09:43 PM
^^ Thanks for the quotes, Adam.
It's obvious to me that Raf isn't dissing anyone, and surely not suggesting that Misha was faking.

It's incredible what some posters read into player's words... :rolleyes:

Especially when people seem to have a good time mocking that player's shaky grasp of English.

Last year after Roma Final:p


Was that before or after Roger accused him of cheating? :D

mangoes
07-05-2007, 09:47 PM
When it's done, it's done when Rafa is two sets and a break up and after Rafa has taken too much time 50 times already. They should give him a warning after the third or fourth time instead, which probably would be in his first service game...

As I suggested earlier, it's time for other players to take a page from Nadal's book. Slow down, pull all thoughts together, know how the point is going to be played, and then execute. Djokovic has been doing just that and it certainly helped him today in his match against Hewitt. When things got tough, Djokovic slowed down and played the big points better than Hewitt.

There is no point in warning Nadal anymore. No Umpire has the balls to follow through on the warning.......especially if he doesn't want to be painted as attacking Nadal.

mangoes
07-05-2007, 09:49 PM
Was that before or after Roger accused him of cheating? :D

:lol: :lol: Yes, it was after Roger pointed out the obvious coaching by uncle toni:p

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 09:50 PM
pfff Nadal fans are doing the same as Fakevic fans by pretending this guy does not practice gamesmanship. accep it, you still can be a fan of him.

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 09:50 PM
I'm sure there is someone that can pull up the transcript of the interview. I don't have the time to go searching. I believe it was after Roger pointed out the coaching that was going on with Uncle Toni....

Oh that :haha:

That was provoked, it doesn't count ;)

adee-gee
07-05-2007, 09:51 PM
:lol: :lol: Yes, it was after Roger pointed out the obvious coaching by uncle toni:p

Everyone does it. Did you see Henin's coach during the Serena match? :o

It's not my fault if the GOAT is so arrogant that he doesn't get a coach ;)

mangoes
07-05-2007, 09:56 PM
Oh that :haha:

That was provoked, it doesn't count ;)

Oh Really?? :haha:

Everyone does it. Did you see Henin's coach during the Serena match? :o

It's not my fault if the GOAT is so arrogant that he doesn't get a coach ;)

Oh my goodness, only you Adam could find a way to twist Roger's lack of coaching as being arrogant:lol: :lol: :lol:

It was ridiculous with Henin's coach:o

Nathaliia
07-05-2007, 09:59 PM
This is not true that journalists are obligated to give names of people who gave information. And moreover, in my country even in the court they can't give these names if that was the deal or if they feel so, and they CAN'T be punished for that (with the one exception, 240th article of our code :p irrelevant for discussion here).

The text sounds bitter as it comes from Swedish press, but I do believe it's real. It's hard to keep respect for umpires who don't give violations when they OUGHT to be given, no matter if it's Federer, Nadal or Koellerer, but I can understand motives, which are basically money and will of keeping position.

ReturnWinner
07-05-2007, 10:02 PM
not obligated but they should
This is not true that journalists are obligated to give names of people who gave information. And moreover, in my country even in the court they can't give these names if that was the deal or if they feel so, and they CAN'T be punished for that (with the one exception, 240th article of our code :p irrelevant for discussion here).

The text sounds bitter as it comes from Swedish press, but I do believe it's real. It's hard to keep respect for umpires who don't give violations when they OUGHT to be given, no matter if it's Federer, Nadal or Koellerer, but I can understand motives, which are basically money and will of keeping position.

Kalliopeia
07-05-2007, 10:02 PM
:lol: :lol: Yes, it was after Roger pointed out the obvious coaching by uncle toni:p

:lol: So Uncle Toni outsmarted the GOAT??! :lol:

Dusk Soldier
07-05-2007, 10:06 PM
:cuckoo:
No, a simple "Warning, time violation, Mr. Nadal" during the matches will do :o :shrug:.

lol, sure it will.

Nathaliia
07-05-2007, 10:14 PM
not obligated but they should
Of course that they should, but there is a very thin line sometimes, and sometimes you are more a respected journalist by respecting your informators, than going full monty. The good journalist needs to know where this line is, and I think in this situation, the good decision was taken.

mangoes
07-05-2007, 10:19 PM
:lol: So Uncle Toni outsmarted the GOAT??! :lol:

Uncle Toni is a sneaky bastard:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Coaches during matches, fixes draws.......etc.... :lol:

Juju just couldn't take her eyes off her hottie coach. :hearts: I can't blame her!


:drool:

Oh, no, no, no.............I have to visit the perv thread later and discuss this further with you..........what about him is hot??

Metis
07-05-2007, 10:26 PM
Oh, no, no, no.............I have to visit the perv thread later and discuss this further..........what about him is hot??

With the hat he looks OK, but without... :tape: :bolt:

rofe
07-05-2007, 11:20 PM
Which interview are you talking about? :lol:

Maybe you should read this : http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2007-07-05/200707051183647630515.html ....... I'm not quite sure where he dissed Tomas and also implied Youzhny was faking:o

The only other interview with Nadal was on ESPN so maybe he is talking about that? :shrug: I didn't watch that interview so I cannot comment on it.

Tzar
07-05-2007, 11:33 PM
If you haven seen the video yet you have it in my signature!

Umpires shouldnt said that!.. ALthough it was funny!

Clara Bow
07-05-2007, 11:39 PM
The only other interview with Nadal was on ESPN so maybe he is talking about that? :shrug: I didn't watch that interview so I cannot comment on it.

On ESPN Rafa said that Youzhny took a medical break after the third set and then in Rafa-english said that Youzhny was a good guy and Rafa felt that he would not lie about an injury.

He also said that while things were bad between the two at Madrid, what is past is past and things were fine between he and Tomas now. He mentioned that they have congratulated each other on their respective wins for the Halle tournament and 3rd round maches. It does seem like things have thawed between the two of them. I imagine Rafa can only handle one neimises at a time. :lol:

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 11:47 PM
On ESPN Rafa said that Youzhny took a medical break after the third set and then in Rafa-english said that Youzhny was a good guy and Rafa felt that he would not lie about an injury.

He also said that while things were bad between the two at Madrid, what is past is past and things were fine between he and Tomas now. He mentioned that they have congratulated each other on their respective wins for the Halle tournament and 3rd round maches. It does seem like things have thawed between the two of them. I imagine Rafa can only handle one neimises at a time. :lol:

Yes, that's what I've seen & heard too.

There was an interview with Tomás as well, and he too, confirmed that everything is okay between the two of them. He said he was very happy when Rafa congratulated him with his win in Halle in the locker room.
Glad to see they've managed to work out their little 'incident'. :)

Lee
07-05-2007, 11:53 PM
Yes, that's what I've seen & heard too.

There was an interview with Tomás as well, and he too, confirmed that everything is okay between the two of them. He said he was very happy when Rafa congratulated him with his win in Halle in the locker room.
Glad to see they've managed to work out their little 'incident'. :)

Unfortunately, not the same apply to the posters here. :lol:

cmurray
07-05-2007, 11:57 PM
Rafa wasn't saying that Misha was faking - in fact he said he thought he would NOT lie about it. What he DID say was that the injury didn't appear to bug him too much while he was winning. It is a known fact that adrenaline is a natural pain killer. I have no doubt that his back started hurting worse when he was less pumped up. Rafa seemed to be indicating this might be the case as well.

Sunset of Age
07-06-2007, 12:01 AM
Unfortunately, not the same apply to the posters here. :lol:

;) That's one of the things that separates the fans from the tards, I suppose.

brent-o
07-06-2007, 12:08 AM
So basically the umpires are complaining because they're too SCARED to tell Nadal anything. Oh my god, it's their freakin job. I find it embarrassing that an umpire (who is supposed to play the role of judge and be fair to all sides) is basically openly rooting for Soderling. That's so unprofessional.

MarieS
07-06-2007, 12:10 AM
lol, sure it will.

If it starts to consistently cost him points, than, yes, warning him will have an impact :rolleyes:. But again, the umps are too much of cowards to do it, so they need to STFU :).

jaybee
07-06-2007, 12:14 AM
pretty cheap shot to talk to journalists instead of talking to nadal himself. i'm sure he'd understand if you'd just talk to him in a decent way.

I agree. Who are these umpires anyway and why are they acting like they're 12 yrs old?

GlennMirnyi
07-06-2007, 12:53 AM
pretty cheap shot to talk to journalists instead of talking to nadal himself. i'm sure he'd understand if you'd just talk to him in a decent way.

He does that on purpose, are you blind? Are you another of those blind clowns who believe he's the new coming of the messiah?

I can add his English is awful, so you'd have to take some signs with gestures so he'd understand.

Merton
07-06-2007, 02:05 AM
Most probably the umpires quoted in the article are not the ones officiating Nadal's matches.

foolish pleasure
07-06-2007, 04:06 AM
On ESPN Rafa said that Youzhny took a medical break after the third set and then in Rafa-english said that Youzhny was a good guy and Rafa felt that he would not lie about an injury.

He also said that while things were bad between the two at Madrid, what is past is past and things were fine between he and Tomas now. He mentioned that they have congratulated each other on their respective wins for the Halle tournament and 3rd round maches. It does seem like things have thawed between the two of them. I imagine Rafa can only handle one neimises at a time. :lol:

yeah, i was talking about the espn interview (and said so in the first post) and what you say here is basically what i said too. where we differ is how we spin it--to me regarding berdych, he basically said "berdych has been bad has gotten better and is not as bad as soderling" or something similar." (which is still pretty whiny to my mind--berdych when asked just shrugs the whole thing off and says there never was a thing between them, same as robin)

regarding youzhny, he clearly implied that youzhny was faking--he said something along the lines of "well he no take a time out when he was ahead, no?" then chris fowler pounced and basically asked him "you think he was faking?" at which point, nadal seemed to realize what he had just done and back-peddled and said "youhzny's a good a guy." but the implication was clear, and it shouldn't have been made at all. and if one makes a point to not badmouth people in general, one avoids slips like that:shrug:

foolish pleasure
07-06-2007, 04:15 AM
However, I am not on the guyfromrussia board.:scratch: Perhaps someone else uses the same initials.

my bad sorry:wavey:

Action Jackson
07-06-2007, 05:08 AM
People here have apparently forgotten the old days of Connors and McEnroe acting like complete assholes. That was bogus. This is overblown.

I will never forget those days. I remember where we played some prick tried those antics against one of my best friends, after the match he got what he deserved.

As for the umpires, well they always let the big players get away with more and will always be the case.

jaybee
07-06-2007, 08:30 AM
He does that on purpose, are you blind? Are you another of those blind clowns who believe he's the new coming of the messiah?

I can add his English is awful, so you'd have to take some signs with gestures so he'd understand.

"...you'd have to take some signs with gestures..."? You have some nerve criticising someone else's grammar when your posts have the sophistication of a gradeschooler's essay.

MTF posters: Stop making fun of other people just because they don't speak English well.

Geniey2g
07-06-2007, 09:19 AM
Incredibly stupid comments.

You think a no name empire should walk up to Nadal in the locker room and say "Hey Rafa, stop time wasting!"

Of course, the empires want to stay anonymous, they are not supposed to comment on the players at all, but they are so fed up with the Rafa cuddling that they want to complain anyway.


Point out to me exactly where in my post I said the umpire should "walk up to Nadal in the locker room". Where did I say that?

What I said was, (if you'd bothered to read the post properly) that the umpires should check him on it during matches. I believe I mentioned something about docking points. Since when have you been able to dock points other than during a match when the umpire is in charge? Here's that post again for you, just to refresh your poor memory:


Rafa can only do what the umpires allow him to; if they haven't got the guts to check him on it and start docking points etc. etc., he will continue. It's like with kids; you threaten without action, they keep doing

bjurra
07-06-2007, 09:23 AM
Point out to me exactly where in my post I said the umpire should "walk up to Nadal in the locker room". Where did I say that?

What I said was, (if you'd bothered to read the post properly) that the umpires should check him on it during matches. I believe I mentioned something about docking points. Since when have you been able to dock points other than during a match when the umpire is in charge? Here's that post again for you, just to refresh your poor memory:

The umpiries complaining are hardly the ones that usually get Nadal's matches.

bjurra
07-06-2007, 09:24 AM
Point out to me exactly where in my post I said the umpire should "walk up to Nadal in the locker room". Where did I say that?

What I said was, (if you'd bothered to read the post properly) that the umpires should check him on it during matches. I believe I mentioned something about docking points. Since when have you been able to dock points other than during a match when the umpire is in charge? Here's that post again for you, just to refresh your poor memory:

It wasn't your quote BTW, it was the quote of the person you were replying to.

Geniey2g
07-06-2007, 09:26 AM
The umpiries complaining are hardly the ones that usually get Nadal's matches.
Are you being serious or just joking now??

The point I am making is that IF the ATP don't make all their umpires follow the same standards on court, of course players are going to continue with their antics. It is not the player's (in this case Nadal) fault if the umpire doesn't discipline them.

bjurra
07-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Are you being serious or just joking now??

The point I am making is that IF the ATP don't make all their umpires follow the same standards on court, of course players are going to continue with their antics. It is not the player's (in this case Nadal) fault if the umpire doesn't discipline them.

Reading comprehension is not your strong point, huh?

I have already stated in this thread that it's not Rafa's responsibility to keep track of time between points.

Geniey2g
07-06-2007, 01:40 PM
Reading comprehension is not your strong point, huh?

I have already stated in this thread that it's not Rafa's responsibility to keep track of time between points.
So if you agreed with me in the first place, what is your issue?

Tnn74
07-06-2007, 01:50 PM
:lol: this is why Nadal make millions and "the umpires" are... well... just umpires...
besides, why are we still talking about Soderling...? he's vapor by now :retard:

seven
07-06-2007, 02:01 PM
To me, it´s not an argument, that umpires should discipline him more, and that it´s their fault.
Do you really believe, that they would get away with punishing him all the time, warnings and stuff? The tour lives because of stars like Nadal and Fed, so they would be foolish to let umpires harm those players. The players know like Nadal know exactly, that they have these privileges, and if they use them, is only their own decision.
To believe, that the ITF or ATP would really let their big stars get restricted this way, are the same, that believe, they would truly punish them publically, if they would catch them doping. The officials depend on the stars, not vice-versa.
Umpires have tried to rule them occasionally, but he always returned to his old rythm pretty quickly.
To judge, if he´s really doing it to annoy opponents or simply because for himself cannot be answered. Like Hantuchova on the WTA often takes so much time, simply because she´s a headcase. Nadal isn´t a headcase, but maybe it´s just his rythm, we´ll never know.