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Bjorkman cursing out ump in Swedish...

Tennis Fool
07-05-2007, 11:57 AM
Anyone know what he said?

It was after an overrule in the 2nd set against Berdych?

Right before he told the ump: "You suck. That's why you shouldn't be ruling these matches..." :lol:

Stensland
07-05-2007, 11:59 AM
i'm not sure about the policy when it comes to offense in different languages, but i remember haas yelling at an umpire in german some years ago, he didn't get fined for that though it was blatantly obvious to any native german speaker that he was offending the linesman big time.

JustJames
07-05-2007, 12:01 PM
i'm not sure about the policy when it comes to offense in different languages, but i remember haas yelling at an umpire in german some years ago, he didn't get fined for that though it was blatantly obvious to any native german speaker that he was offending the linesman big time.

What did did he say? [auf deutsch...] :D

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:05 PM
i don't remember exactly, but it was either "blinder affe" or "blinder idiot". it was fun because he was standing in a corner of the court where microphones were placed. so actually, haas didn't think it could be heard anywhere. maybe the actual umpire didn't hear it, but the whole audience at home basically did.

could it be that fines can only be placed on a player if the umpire actually witnesses the insult? maybe that's how he got out of it.

on the other hand: roddick screamed "fuck you!" to a linesman at the aussie open this year and didn't get fined. so i guess it's not that big a deal apparently.

JustJames
07-05-2007, 12:09 PM
i don't remember exactly, but it was either "blinder affe" or "blinder idiot". it was fun because he was standing in a corner of the court where microphones were placed. so actually, haas didn't think it could be heard anywhere. maybe the actual umpire didn't hear it, but the whole audience at home basically did.

could it be that fines can only be placed on a player if the umpire actually witnesses the insult? maybe that's how he got out of it.

on the other hand: roddick screamed "fuck you!" to a linesman at the aussie open this year and didn't get fined. so i guess it's not that big a deal apparently.

:eek: A bit nasty [of what ethnicity was the umpire? :eek: ]!

Yeah that could be the case. Also apparently it depends on the type of the insult, how and where it is directed etc... I think a lot of it is at the umpire's digression.

Nathaliia
07-05-2007, 12:10 PM
These fines are given after the match with no big deal about it. Every throwing a racquet is actually fined, in case you didn't know. If every single fine (they are not very high btw) was about to have a separate topic on MTF, it would be even more messy than is now.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:11 PM
:eek: A bit nasty [of what ethnicity was the umpire? :eek: ]!



the haas one or the roddick one (referring to the "nasty")?

i don't know about the umpire. haas's match was a first week one, so i think it was no big court and therefore i guess no well-known umpire.

JustJames
07-05-2007, 12:13 PM
the haas one or the roddick one (referring to the "nasty")?

i don't know about the umpire. haas's match was a first week one, so i think it was no big court and therefore i guess no well-known umpire.

The Haas one [nowhere near as bad as Roddick's though...to put it into perspective] Ah rite, thanks for the info.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:13 PM
These fines are given after the match with no big deal about it. Every throwing a racquet is actually fined, in case you didn't know. If every single fine (they are not very high btw) was about to have a separate topic on MTF, it would be even more messy than is now.

your're right, but if it was me back then, i'd have roddick disqualified for that comment. that's not a pure insult, that's the absolute opposite of how a atp pro is supposed to behave. he'd have had to walk off the court if i'd been the umpire or linesman in the match, i'd have sent him packing.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:14 PM
The Haas one [nowhere near as bad as Roddick's though...to put it into perspective] Ah rite, thanks for the info.

you know the german language? wow, quite unusual for a brit. ;) :)

Nathaliia
07-05-2007, 12:25 PM
your're right, but if it was me back then, i'd have roddick disqualified for that comment. that's not a pure insult, that's the absolute opposite of how a atp pro is supposed to behave. he'd have had to walk off the court if i'd been the umpire or linesman in the match, i'd have sent him packing.
He should have been given a violation code for that, and maybe even he was, during advertisment break or when the camera was elsewhere. He would have been disqualified if said "fuck you" three times - first time is a warning, second is a penalty point. It is relevant that the violation must be of the same kind, for example if he said "fuck you" twice and then got a warning for timewasting, he would be still on court.

As for James, he studies German linguistics - VERY unusual for a Brit :)

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:28 PM
As for James, he studies German linguistics -

really?! what's he gonna do with that in britain? he'll be jobless, i guess. ;)

or the sun or daily mail hire him for making up new headlines about the krauts. :D

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:31 PM
He should have been given a violation code for that, and maybe even he was, during advertisment break or when the camera was elsewhere. He would have been disqualified if said "fuck you" three times - first time is a warning, second is a penalty point. It is relevant that the violation must be of the same kind, for example if he said "fuck you" twice and then got a warning for timewasting, he would be still on court.


how childish is that of the atp? in soccer, when a guy even whispers stuff like "you're blind" or anything, he'd walk off the pitch. and in tennis, one of the most snobbish sports around, you'd have to say "fuck you" twice in order to even get a penalty point? that's ridiculous!

Björki
07-05-2007, 12:33 PM
who is the umpire in Björkmans match?

JustJames
07-05-2007, 12:40 PM
really?! what's he gonna do with that in britain? he'll be jobless, i guess. ;)

or the sun or daily mail hire him for making up new headlines about the krauts. :D

:lol: There are actually a lot of jobs for German speakers [at the moment there is a shortage in GB] because Germany are Britain's biggest EU trading partners...so many companies need people to translate, interpret etc
And yeah it is quite unusual..people in England don't consider a language to be of any importance because "everybody speaks English, so what's the point?!" :o

Actually the best/worst newspaper for articles about "krauts" is The Daily Express..every other day there is a new story loosely based around the same title of "Hitler's secret plans to..." :tape: [it's either that or a story about Princess Diana...which gives you an idea as to the quality of the newspaper :tape: ]

Nathaliia
07-05-2007, 12:43 PM
how childish is that of the atp? in soccer, when a guy even whispers stuff like "you're blind" or anything, he'd walk off the pitch. and in tennis, one of the most snobbish sports around, you'd have to say "fuck you" twice in order to even get a penalty point? that's ridiculous!
Well, it's not my idea :) As it has been stated, they are financially fined later on, but I agree that on-court actions should be more severe.

Still this is nothing comparing to Koellerer's most of the matches, and for example the Koellerer-Zib match from this year from Wrocław. It lasted 3,5 hours, supervisor almost died on heart attack, and players were screaming lungs off at umpire, also Koellerer shouted something like: "Give me a fucking warning for timewasting".

mashamaniac
07-05-2007, 12:44 PM
how childish is that of the atp? in soccer, when a guy even whispers stuff like "you're blind" or anything, he'd walk off the pitch. and in tennis, one of the most snobbish sports around, you'd have to say "fuck you" twice in order to even get a penalty point? that's ridiculous!

that's probably becuz soccer's a team-sport,and there are 11 players out there to play,so not a single mistake can affect a match that much!
in tennis which is a unique sport you're one on one and each mistake could change the outcome!:wavey:

Neely
07-05-2007, 12:44 PM
:eek: A bit nasty [of what ethnicity was the umpire? :eek: ]!
It's not a too big deal, "affe" is used without any reference to skin color, origin or nationality as well more than often enough. For example it is also often used for snobby people on a high horse (figuratively speaking) the way they are perceived by the person insulting them.

though it was blatantly obvious to any native german speaker that he was offending the linesman big time.
probably not too obvious for any non-native german speaker though :p

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:48 PM
It's not a too big deal, "affe" is used without any reference to skin color, origin or nationality as well more than often enough. For example it is also often used for snobby people on a high horse (figuratively speaking) the way they are perceived by the person insulting them.


oooohhhhh, now i get what james was actually referring to about that "affe"-comment. nono, it was in no way meant that way. neely's right, affe is nothing racial of any kind, you can use it for all types of persons out there. and it was definitely not meant in a racial context when haas said it.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 12:50 PM
that's probably becuz soccer's a team-sport,and there are 11 players out there to play,so not a single mistake can affect a match that much!
in tennis which is a unique sport you're one on one and each mistake could change the outcome!:wavey:

so what? tennis players should behave decently or they're sent packing. if you're even basically allowed to say stuff like "fuck you", where's the point in fining?

btw what was the fine rusedski got when he yelled at the audience last year? you know, the one with the mobile and stuff.

JustJames
07-05-2007, 12:52 PM
It's not a too big deal, "affe" is used without any reference to skin color, origin or nationality as well more than often enough. For example it is also often used for snobby people on a high horse (figuratively speaking) the way they are perceived by the person insulting them.

Thank you for the info. :yeah: I doubted that Haas would have said anything like that anyway..

And please...spell 'colour' the English way :p

jasmin
07-05-2007, 01:01 PM
I thought it was embarrassing.

mashamaniac
07-05-2007, 01:11 PM
andy last year shouted at nalby "fuck" when he won a point and nothing happened!
and of course right now lleyton hewitt is shouting fuck everytime he misses a shot,so should they fine him?? i don't think so...

Stensland
07-05-2007, 01:13 PM
andy last year shouted at nalby "fuck" when he won a point and nothing happened!
and of course right now lleyton hewitt is shouting fuck everytime he misses a shot,so should they fine him?? i don't think so...

of course they shouldn't because it's not directed at anyone but the player himself. that's no problem. i wouldn't even fine them if they break racquets because it's their own equipment. i don't care about that, you have to let out the anger.

it's completely different if you insult other people, and that's what this thread is about.

mashamaniac
07-05-2007, 01:20 PM
of course they shouldn't because it's not directed at anyone but the player himself. that's no problem. i wouldn't even fine them if they break racquets because it's their own equipment. i don't care about that, you have to let out the anger.

it's completely different if you insult other people, and that's what this thread is about.

but sometimes they get a violation code if they break a racket! in case that's their own equipment!:confused:

Stensland
07-05-2007, 01:26 PM
but sometimes they get a violation code if they break a racket!

yes they do, but i think that's wrong. it's suppressing anger, which is kinda unhealthy if you do it on a daily basis. you don't expect players to hide joy and happiness either, so why would you wanna fine them if they're angry and do stuff to their own equipment?

Fapmeister
07-05-2007, 02:12 PM
but sometimes they get a violation code if they break a racket! in case that's their own equipment!:confused:

After you catch a bouncing racquet in the head you will see why.

bjurra
07-05-2007, 02:44 PM
The guy in the chair was James Keothavong and Björkman's outburst can be translated into:

"You bloody lunatic"

("din jävla dåre")

Kristen
07-05-2007, 02:49 PM
Here I was thinking I would finally learn a 'naughty' Swedish word. :sad:
Would have loved to see him get fired up.

Fisico
07-05-2007, 03:09 PM
Bjorkman was right to get upset, he had a break point and the ump overrules a 132mph serve out wide that was called out... no idea how the umpire could see it sitting on the other side of the court

bjurra
07-05-2007, 03:43 PM
When asked about Björkman's outburst, Berdych said he would have been upset too, "but maybe not that much", because the overrule was a "big mistake".

JustJames
07-05-2007, 03:46 PM
Just saw a replay of the incident and Bjorkman went way over the top..

At the end of the match he put his head down and walked straight past the umpire.. I would have thought a guy of his age and experience would have had a little more class... I mean he did after all win the set in which the mistake was made, so it didn't affect the match at all.

Also it's a shame to see James Keothavong get that much abuse because from what I've seen of him he's a really good umpire [not afraid to make over-rules even when hawk-eye is in play..though that was his downfall today!]

JMG
07-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Björkman http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4007/realtongueio0.gif

guille&tati4life
07-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Not much good making over-rules when they are bad ones.

I wanted Berdych to win and i'm glad he did but Jonas is one of the most reasonable people in the game. Anyone would have got annoyed with an over-rule in that situation.

I don't see the big problem with a player having a go at an umpire, sometimes they deserve it.

Tennis Fool
07-05-2007, 05:07 PM
The guy in the chair was James Keothavong and Björkman's outburst can be translated into:

"You bloody lunatic"

("din jävla dåre")

I think he said more than that--or to it takes three sentences to say three words :P

Anyway, he stated in his interview that the ump wanted to be a superstar :rolls:

http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2007-07-05/200707051183645734156.html
Q. You were clearly very unhappy in the third set with the call from the umpire. What happened?

JONAS BJORKMAN: He made a horrendous call.

Q. Have you had some history with that umpire? You said it happens quite a lot with him.

JONAS BJORKMAN: There's a lot of guys out there who's trying sometimes to make sure that everyone can see them on the court when everything goes well. You don't have to interrupt the game. All of a sudden they try to be in the picture.

133 mile an hour serve wide on the far end, you shouldn't even go in there. He felt he needed to do that. That's just unfortunate.

bjurra
07-05-2007, 08:34 PM
You are right, Tennis Fool, the complete quote is:

"You bloody lunatic, I am so damn tired of you"

Naranoc
07-05-2007, 08:47 PM
And in English, something like "You are useless, that's why you shouldn't be umpiring these matches" :lol:

Maybe over the top, but he does seem to have a point, in that it was completely unnecessary to interfere in that point from that distance.

Nathaliia
07-05-2007, 08:58 PM
BTW, why wasn't he allowed to take a challenge?

decrepitude
07-05-2007, 09:00 PM
It was on a court that does not have hawkeye.

Action Jackson
07-06-2007, 05:39 AM
You are right, Tennis Fool, the complete quote is:

"You bloody lunatic, I am so damn tired of you"

Hahaha, even Edberg swore, but since not many people know the new international language of the world, they forget that.

shrudy
07-06-2007, 09:33 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rwOXLrW7zG4

Stensland
07-06-2007, 09:34 AM
wow, i've never seen him like that.

Neely
07-06-2007, 09:35 AM
:lol:

that was so great yesterday as I saw this scene on the tape, really really funny, I had to :haha:

Björki
07-06-2007, 10:00 AM
Jonas :scared:

Malul
07-06-2007, 10:04 AM
finally my countrymen show some emotions!!!

love it!!!

more outbursts please!!!!

JMG
07-06-2007, 10:07 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rwOXLrW7zG4

Looks like Björkman is the lunatic and not the umpire. ;)

FedererGrandSlam
11-15-2008, 02:57 PM
One last Jonas bump. Clip with translations in the comments section on youtube.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=rwOXLrW7zG4