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The Underappreciated Surface

BlakeorHenman
07-05-2007, 04:50 AM
Does anyone else out there wish there were more tournaments held on carpet throughout the year? Maybe even a short carpet season? There obviously couldn't be a slam on it, but I just love watching carpet matches and my faves always do well on it. Is there any particular reason it wouldn't work?

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 04:52 AM
You would've loved the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's. They played on carpet all year round back then.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 04:52 AM
No

They had plenty of tournaments on carpet in the 90s, it was big time serve fests for the most part and this was one of the reason the surface was phased out, with the grass being slowed down.

At least with grass, there are some elements like wind, the sun, humidity and these elements were taken away and made it even more advantageous for huge servers .

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 04:53 AM
You would've loved the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's. They played on carpet all year round back then.

I think Martina Nav wish there were more events on carpet.:p

BlakeorHenman
07-05-2007, 05:00 AM
No

They had plenty of tournaments on carpet in the 90s, it was big time serve fests for the most part and this was one of the reason the surface was phased out, with the grass being slowed down.

At least with grass, there are some elements like wind, the sun, humidity and these elements were taken away and made it even more advantageous for huge servers .


Never thought about it that way. However, it's not only big servers that do well on the surface.


SINGLES WINNERS - PARIS AMS SINCE 2000

2006 Nikolay Davydenko

2005 Tomas Berdych

2004 Marat Safin

2003 Tim Henman

2002 Marat Safin

2001 Sebastien Grosjean

2000 Marat Safin


SINGLES WINNERS - ST. PETERSBURG SINCE 2000

2006 Mario Ancic

2005 Thomas Johansson

2004 Mikhail Youzhny

2003 Gustavo Kuerten

2002 Sebastien Grosjean

2001 Marat Safin

2000 Marat Safin

BlakeorHenman
07-05-2007, 05:01 AM
You would've loved the 70's, 80's, and early to mid 90's. They played on carpet all year round back then.

Yeah I only started watching tennis regularly about 1998.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 05:10 AM
Never thought about it that way. However, it's not only big servers that do well on the surface.


SINGLES WINNERS - PARIS AMS SINCE 2000

2006 Nikolay Davydenko

2005 Tomas Berdych

2004 Marat Safin

2003 Tim Henman

2002 Marat Safin

2001 Sebastien Grosjean

2000 Marat Safin


SINGLES WINNERS - ST. PETERSBURG SINCE 2000

2006 Mario Ancic

2005 Thomas Johansson

2004 Mikhail Youzhny

2003 Gustavo Kuerten

2002 Sebastien Grosjean

2001 Marat Safin

2000 Marat Safin

Kuerten had a strong serve, he served over 50 aces in a DC match, so he is no dud. Johansson has a strong serve as well at his peak.

St Petersburg is a MM event. The majority of players that do well on carpet are strong servers and it was just a serving side show in the heydays as NYC explained when there were more events.

Boris Becker, Goran, Rusedski, Enqvist, Sampras, all indoor monsters.

BlakeorHenman
07-05-2007, 05:13 AM
Kuerten had a strong serve, he served over 50 aces in a DC match, so he is no dud. Johansson has a strong serve as well at his peak.

St Petersburg is a MM event. The majority of players that do well on carpet are strong servers and it was just a serving side show in the heydays as NYC explained when there were more events.

Boris Becker, Goran, Rusedski, Enqvist, Sampras, all indoor monsters.

Ah well... in any case the carpet matches I've seen have always been as entertaining as any other surface.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 05:17 AM
Ah well... in any case the carpet matches I've seen have always been as entertaining as any other surface.

There aren't many carpet matches these days and that's good. You just don't remember the dark days when they were playing on ice rinks in the German events among other places.

If you think that's interesting, then good for you.

There are valid reasons as to why there aren't as many events on carpet these days.

Marek.
07-05-2007, 05:40 AM
I bet GWH secretly watches the Sampras v. Becker 1996 Singles Championship final from time to time. ;)

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 05:44 AM
I bet GWH secretly watches the Sampras v. Becker 1996 Singles Championship final from time to time. ;)

Bam
Boom
Biff
Ba-na-na, bam, boom boom

Game whoever

You caught me out.

The_Nadal_effect
07-05-2007, 05:48 AM
More carpet tourneys should be played. 'Big serving' Nadal needs to win one on carpet, no? :rocker:

Marek.
07-05-2007, 06:13 AM
Bam
Boom
Biff
Ba-na-na, bam, boom boom

Game whoever

You caught me out.

I always knew you were a serve-tard! :D ;)

Stensland
07-05-2007, 06:27 AM
so what about just slowing carpet down a little? it worked with grass, isn't it possible to come up with slower carpet surfaces as well?

i mean, the core of carpet sounds good to me: no rain effect, no heat effect, just pure tennis. you slow down the surface, you're good to go.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 06:31 AM
It's actually not that a good surface, especially if it sticks, look what happened at the Swiss/Spain tie to Wawrinka, Ferrer.

Well it's just a thin layer of carpet laid over slick wooden boards. Indoor tennis sucks anyway, dealing with natures elements are part of the fun of the game.

Stensland
07-05-2007, 06:57 AM
Well it's just a thin layer of carpet laid over slick wooden boards. Indoor tennis sucks anyway, dealing with natures elements are part of the fun of the game.

hmmm...dunno. actually, for me, that applies more to "nature"-games like soccer, football, rugby and all that contact stuff. tennis, at least to me, is all about the game itself.

but you're right about the surface probably. but btw: what exactly happened to wawrinka and ferrer? i can't remember.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 07:03 AM
hmmm...dunno. actually, for me, that applies more to "nature"-games like soccer, football, rugby and all that contact stuff. tennis, at least to me, is all about the game itself.

but you're right about the surface probably. but btw: what exactly happened to wawrinka and ferrer? i can't remember.

The carpet at the DC was a bit dangerous it seems and Stani missed 3 months cause of a knee problem.

Tennis is an old sport which started outdoors, not indoors and it's still predominately an outdoor sport as it should be.

Jogy
07-05-2007, 10:44 AM
At least with grass, there are some elements like wind, the sun, humidity and these elements were taken away and made it even more advantageous for huge servers .
always the same shit. it is okay to have huge body ability or having a huge forehand, but not huge serve? :zzz:

Stensland
07-05-2007, 11:22 AM
always the same shit. it is okay to have huge body ability or having a huge forehand, but not huge serve? :zzz:

huge serve is just terrible to watch. did or do you really like matches like krajicek-rusedski or arthurs-karlovic? i usually switch the channel when something like that comes up.

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 11:27 AM
always the same shit. it is okay to have huge body ability or having a huge forehand, but not huge serve? :zzz:

How about actually reading what I said in context.

So you think serve a thons are interesting on a very fast surface? They can be just as boring for players hitting 5 m over the net down the middle of the court, not going for anything.

That is obvious, look a bit closer and there are players I like that have big serves, open your eyes man.

Beforehand
07-05-2007, 11:27 AM
I think Martina Nav wish there were more events on carpet.:p
:haha:

EDIT: You must spread some reputation around...GRR.