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Who will be the winner of the Roddick - Gasquet QF?

Eden
07-04-2007, 03:30 PM
Third match between these two players and their first meeting on grass.
Lets hope for a good match :)

case
07-04-2007, 03:31 PM
we need a poll!

gasquet in 5

Tommy_Vercetti
07-04-2007, 03:34 PM
I always get reminded of Tommy Robredo against Roddick when I've seen Gasquet against him.

Roddick in 3. Andy seems in good spirits.

vincayou
07-04-2007, 03:34 PM
I will take the silverwhite path : Roddick in 5.

TMJordan
07-04-2007, 03:35 PM
Andy in 3

R.Federer
07-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Let's see which kind of Gasquet shows up. That could mean the difference between andy in 3 and andy in 5.

*julie*
07-04-2007, 03:39 PM
I will take the silverwhite path : Roddick in 5.

Silver would have said in 3: 2 TB and a bagel. :p

FedFan_2007
07-04-2007, 03:39 PM
Gasquet's sublime backhand will befuddle the duck.

silverwhite
07-04-2007, 03:46 PM
I will take the silverwhite path : Roddick in 5.

Silver would have said in 3: 2 TB and a bagel. :p

Both wrong.

Roddick 6-3 6-2 6-4.

ExpectedWinner
07-04-2007, 03:48 PM
Roddick. Gasquet has no clue how to return Andy's serve.

sykotique
07-04-2007, 03:52 PM
Gasquet is playing great tennis. However, Roddick's serve has yet to fail him. Gasquet will win the rallies. Roddick will win the tiebreaks.

I'll sit on the fence and say that this one goes the distance.

vincayou
07-04-2007, 03:53 PM
Silver would have said in 3: 2 TB and a bagel. :p

I know, I'm well too optimistic.

Sorry.

Warrior
07-04-2007, 03:57 PM
With the way things are going it would be Roddick 7-6 7-6 7-6. But I predict that Gasquet will put up a fight and lose in five.

RickDaStick
07-04-2007, 03:58 PM
Two gay guys going at it........ anything could happen

*julie*
07-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Both wrong.

Roddick 6-3 6-2 6-4.





Anyway, he has already exceeded your expectations.

I know, I'm well too optimistic.

Sorry.

You are not too optimistic. I vote Richard in 4.

ReturnWinner
07-04-2007, 04:11 PM
before analzying if Gasquet has chances to beat Roddick you have to ask yourself if the frenchie can get a bp on Roddicick serve as he has failen in doing that in their two matches :haha:

and both times on a slower court

*julie*
07-04-2007, 04:20 PM
before analzying if Gasquet has chances to beat Roddick you have to ask yourself if the frenchie can get a bp on Roddicick serve as he has failen in doing that in their two matches :haha:

and both times on a slower court

Before joking about Richard not getting a BP in their previous matches, you have to check if he has never taken a set off Roddick. :p

LilyRoseAva
07-04-2007, 04:26 PM
roddick in 3

Cristine
07-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Andy in 3, unfortunately.

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 04:49 PM
Gasquet is playing incredibly well, but it won't matter against someone whose serve you simply cannot return. He needs Roddick to have a 50% or so serving day to have a chance, but I don't think that's coming up. Gasquet maybe wins a TB. Otherwise, Roddick in 3.

rofe
07-04-2007, 04:57 PM
Gasquet is playing incredibly well, but it won't matter against someone whose serve you simply cannot return. He needs Roddick to have a 50% or so serving day to have a chance, but I don't think that's coming up. Gasquet maybe wins a TB. Otherwise, Roddick in 3.

What he said.

RagingLamb
07-04-2007, 05:01 PM
Today I watched Andy hit poor approach shots, then come into net leaving a huge space for Mathieu to pass him time after time. Of course Mathieu couldn't hit a decent passing shot to save his life, so Andy didn't suffer much.

But Gasquet hits better shots than Mathieu, and if Andy keeps using the same tactic I think he'll be in trouble. Yes he serves big, but unless he gets another 8 rain delays, he's not gonna be serving 140 mph serves for the entire match. And let's not forget that Mathieu had 4-1 on him in the third before he lost it.

So I pick Gasquet.

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 05:04 PM
26 service games for Roddick against Gasquet and not a single BP opportunity allowed. :eek:

World Beater
07-04-2007, 05:06 PM
roddick in 4

Marek.
07-04-2007, 05:15 PM
Roddick in four. Gasquet might be better off the ground but like others have said, that won't matter when you can hardly return someone serve. Gasquet's never even had a bp against Roddick!

Deboogle!.
07-04-2007, 05:17 PM
Let's see which kind of Gasquet shows up. That could mean the difference between andy in 3 and andy in 5.Also depends on which Andy has shown up. 4 matches in a row now where he has had major concentration issues in the 3rd set of the match :shrug: Yes he serves big, but unless he gets another 8 rain delays, he's not gonna be serving 140 mph serves for the entire match.huh? i can only remember one match where Andy's serve speed decreased as a match went on - and it was a match that WAS interrupted by rain - and I remember them specifically mentioning it on tv because of how marked the decrease was. It was the 2004 Wimbledon final when he was exhausted at the end because of the tough match he'd had the day before and more so the absolutely ridiculous way he was exerting himself at the beginning of that match. It's actually not uncommon for Andy's serve to get better as a match goes on when he gets into a rhythm. I'm not saying Andy's going to win tomorrow or even that he'll play great because I think he has been down right mediocre most of the tourney, but if he loses or loses set(s), I would bet money it's not going to be because of his serve speed decreasing throughout a match :haha:

Mariana_lcf
07-04-2007, 05:22 PM
Gasquet in 5! yes he will win:) he has the much more talent than Roddick, and will prove it tomorrow:) COME ON RICHIE U CAN DO IT! DONT CHOKE!
allez richard:)

jcempire
07-04-2007, 05:41 PM
Andy should get this win

thelma
07-04-2007, 06:38 PM
Andy in 4 :)

ChinoRios4Ever
07-04-2007, 06:38 PM
ARod in 3

mickymouse
07-04-2007, 06:42 PM
Gasquet has to be prepared to play a 5 set match with 4 tiebreaks thrown in if he wants to win. Is he mentally tough for that?

Schu
07-04-2007, 06:51 PM
26 service games for Roddick against Gasquet and not a single BP opportunity allowed. :eek:

Every match is different - Gasquet is due. Unfortunately he'll need some help from Roddick to get a break but if Gasquet can get into the point it's his ...

Puschkin
07-04-2007, 07:04 PM
:confused: If Udomchoke and Verdasco were able to break Roddick, Gasquet won't be able to? But I am a stupid tard, of course. :p

tangerine_dream
07-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Andy's sublime serve will befuddle and intimidate little Richie. http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/mtf/images/icons/icon10.gif

Seriously, I don't know how this one will fall. Hope it's a good one.

Two gay guys going at it........ anything could happen
If it's good Perve Thread material then I'm all for it. :D

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Every match is different - Gasquet is due. Unfortunately he'll need some help from Roddick to get a break but if Gasquet can get into the point it's his ...

Of course every match is different, but there is a definite problem if you return serve 26 times and not get to break point a single time.

The other thing that is interesting about this particular match up is that Roddick wins a lot of the rallies as well.

Deboogle!.
07-04-2007, 07:40 PM
Of course every match is different, but there is a definite problem if you return serve 26 times and not get to break point a single time. Andy's been serving well this tourney but has been playing some very lazy games in the third sets of his matches here and there. I'd be surprised if Gasquet doesn't get at least a BP tomorrow.The other thing that is interesting about this particular match up is that Roddick wins a lot of the rallies as well.Andy's been pretty horrific off the ground most of the grass season - in Queens too. His shots have far too much spin, his court positioning is bad, and he's made some really silly UEs; moreover, his approaches have been largely atrocious, landing in and around the service line and not flat enough to skid. I'll be extremely surprised if Andy wins most of the rallies against Gasquet tomorrow. If I recall, their match at Indian Wells was really close and a few points decided it here and there. Tomorrow could be more of the same. There is also the intangible of how well Richard will deal with being in his first slam final. That no one will know until tomorrow.

oh, and SW: you and I should start the "optmistic fans club" :rolls:

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 07:43 PM
Andy's been serving well this tourney but has been playing some very lazy games in the third sets of his matches here and there. I'd be surprised if Gasquet doesn't get at least a BP tomorrow.Andy's been pretty horrific off the ground most of the grass season - in Queens too. His shots have far too much spin, his court positioning is bad, and he's made some really silly UEs; moreover, his approaches have been largely atrocious, landing in and around the service line and not flat enough to skid. I'll be extremely surprised if Andy wins most of the rallies against Gasquet tomorrow. If I recall, their match at Indian Wells was really close and a few points decided it here and there. Tomorrow could be more of the same. There is also the intangible of how well Richard will deal with being in his first slam final. That no one will know until tomorrow.

I said a lot, not most. ;)

After reading your account of Roddick's game though, I revise my opinion about this matchup. Gasquet to take it 7-6 (27), 7-5, 6-0.

:D

Baghdatis72
07-04-2007, 07:44 PM
Roddick in 5 I believe ;)

Deboogle!.
07-04-2007, 07:45 PM
I said a lot, not most. ;)oh :ras: playing semantics with me :p I don't think Andy will win a lot of the rallies either, happy? ;):p
After reading your account of Roddick's game though, I revise my opinion about this matchup. Gasquet to take it 7-6 (27), 7-5, 6-0.

:DThat's the spirit :D

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 07:46 PM
oh :ras: playing semantics with me :p I don't think Andy will win a lot of the rallies either, happy? ;):p
That's the spirit :D

:lol:

Marek.
07-04-2007, 07:49 PM
In both of their accounters, Roddick seemed to hit his forehand great for some reason. Hopefully he continues to do that and we get a good match.

Puschkin
07-04-2007, 07:53 PM
After reading your account of Roddick's game though, I revise my opinion about this matchup. Gasquet to take it 7-6 (27), 7-5, 6-0. :D

:worship: But you obviously want me to die in that first set tie-break. ;)

stebs
07-04-2007, 07:57 PM
Andy's been serving well this tourney but has been playing some very lazy games in the third sets of his matches here and there. I'd be surprised if Gasquet doesn't get at least a BP tomorrow.

Andy's been pretty horrific off the ground most of the grass season - in Queens too. His shots have far too much spin, his court positioning is bad, and he's made some really silly UEs; moreover, his approaches have been largely atrocious, landing in and around the service line and not flat enough to skid. I'll be extremely surprised if Andy wins most of the rallies against Gasquet tomorrow. If I recall, their match at Indian Wells was really close and a few points decided it here and there. Tomorrow could be more of the same. There is also the intangible of how well Richard will deal with being in his first slam final. That no one will know until tomorrow.

Really surprised to see this post because in my opinion Roddick played pretty great off the ground against Mathieu. Haven't seen a great deal of him this tournament but the first two sets of the Mathieu match Roddick was outplaying Mathieu in rallies and Mathieu is no mug.

Of course he is never going to be Borg or Federer from the back of the court but certainly he was playing close to the highest standard that can be expected of him for the part of his match that I watched. Of course, it is possible I only saw the good and that the rest of the tournament has been worse.

As for the match, Roddick in 3 is the most likely option because Gasquet cannot find a way to get Roddicks serve in play in previous meetings. If that continues then Roddick is not losing but if Gasquet can begin to pick it we will have a really tight match because Gasquet is on top form so far this Wimbledon, problem for him is Roddick can hold comfortably and then Gasquet will play a loose game every now and then and Roddick has been good at capitalising on those lately so he should come out victor.

stebs
07-04-2007, 08:00 PM
In both of their accounters, Roddick seemed to hit his forehand great for some reason. Hopefully he continues to do that and we get a good match.

FH to FH is great for Roddick. the Gasquet forehand sits up well for him to swipe at it and doesn't have the spin that stops Roddick hitting hard or takes time away from him so if Roddick is hitting it well he will look phenomenal the same way that Berdych or Youzhny looks phenomenal when he plays Nadal or the way Davydenko does when he plays Canas because the shots are just going to the players hitting zones.

When that matchup issue arrises it can make a good player look great for a day.

Puschkin
07-04-2007, 08:01 PM
Haven't seen a great deal of him this tournament but the first two sets of the Mathieu match Roddick was outplaying Mathieu in rallies and Mathieu is no mug.

I am far from ridiculing PHM, but to my knowledge up to 2007 he had never won a match on grass.

OnyxRose
07-04-2007, 08:01 PM
Roddick in 4.

Mariana_lcf
07-04-2007, 08:06 PM
i think if PHM hadnt had so many unforced errors the match would've probably last longer, and Mathieu might have won a set or two...

stebs
07-04-2007, 08:08 PM
I am far from ridiculing PHM, but to my knowledge up to 2007 he had never won a match on grass.

:eek:

Had no idea. He wasn't struggling with the bounce from what I saw but I guess if he is inexperienced his tactical play may have been hampered.

Regardless of Mathieu, Roddick was playing well for what I saw and would have been winning those rallies against a lot of guys.

Deboogle!.
07-04-2007, 08:08 PM
Really surprised to see this post because in my opinion Roddick played pretty great off the ground against Mathieu. Haven't seen a great deal of him this tournament but the first two sets of the Mathieu match Roddick was outplaying Mathieu in rallies and Mathieu is no mug.

Of course he is never going to be Borg or Federer from the back of the court but certainly he was playing close to the highest standard that can be expected of him for the part of his match that I watched. Of course, it is possible I only saw the good and that the rest of the tournament has been worse.Mathieu was atrocious in the first set but so you can't really count that, but that was nowhere near Andy's best off the ground, IMO. His forehand has been rubbish for like 3 years now - we've been discussing it in the Andy forum at least since 2005. None of us can figure out why he never flattens it out anymore, we know Jimmy is surely telling him to, it's just so frustrating, especially on grass where flat shots are still rewarded despite the slowing down. And his court positioning was by and large disappointing - last year right after he and Jimmy got together, something that was so nice was seeing Andy closer to the baseline. there were a few passing shots he missed or hit poorly because he was simply too far back to be effective. I think his play in this match was fairly representative of what I've seen of his play in the previous ones, I've just found it all to be largely mediocre with some good here and there and some bad here and there.

Did he do some good things in the match? oh of course, he didn't play badly and one particularly good point right before he broke at 5all deuce sticks out as he came in off Mathieu's 2nd serve and hit a great high BH volley, but by and large he has been really disappointing for me off the ground all grass season, I believe he's running more than he should be and not being nearly aggressive enough off the ground. He appears to be hitting the ball well enough and should be confident enough to really go for his shots more, especially on the return. But I believe he's getting these straight sets wins as a result of his attitude and the fact that he's staying even and competitive and not getting negative even when he's been down a break in these third sets. It's also helped that he's played guys who he knows darn well have trouble closing out matches. A better player would not have let Andy off the hook in that TB today - and I assume he knows that but still, it would be nice, as a fan, to see him be the one making things happen instead of assuming his opponent will give it away. Even if he's playing someone who is notorious for doing that, it lets him get into a bad habit.I am far from ridiculing PHM, but to my knowledge up to 2007 he had never won a match on grass.not according to Tennis Corner.... http://tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=m&action=matchstats&playerid=MAP003 (he hadn't won many, mind you... but a few)

elessar
07-04-2007, 08:12 PM
I think it all depends on the first set, if Gasquet loses it I fear we would see the same player that lost to Vliegen so lamely, if he somehow manages to win it this could be very tight.

I know Richard has found it almost impossible to return the Roddick serve but he's been really impressive on his own service game so far, and with his ability to hit passing shots he could take advantage of silly approach shots from Roddick or one bad service game.

That said he has not yet proven that he can compete mentally with the top players so I'll say Roddick in 4 but I hope I'm wrong

Puschkin
07-04-2007, 08:21 PM
not according to Tennis Corner.... http://tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=m&action=matchstats&playerid=MAP003 (he hadn't won many, mind you... but a few)

I remember having that read somewhere this year, it was obviously wrong information. But grass is certainly not PHM's best and /or favourite surface. So I wonder whether Roddick's performance against him actually tells much about his current form.

Jimnik
07-04-2007, 08:23 PM
Spot on from Deb, and yes when you look at Andy's opponents so far:

Mathieu - world #2 choker
Verdasco - world #1 choker
UdomCHOKE ;)

He's had a very easy time of it so far and he knows that if he just puts the ball in play, these guys will self-destruct. I hope it was a case of knowing the opposition because if this is his new permanent playing style then he'll be in trouble, not just tomorrow but for the rest of his career.

Puschkin
07-04-2007, 08:25 PM
I think it all depends on the first set, if Gasquet loses it I fear we would see the same player that lost to Vliegen so lamely.

Not necessarily. Roland Garros and French players is a very special case. In Wimby, in particular against Roddick, Richard has nothing to lose. That's at least what he said (even if he showed a lot of respect for Roddick), I hope he acts accordingly.

Deboogle!.
07-04-2007, 08:37 PM
I remember having that read somewhere this year, it was obviously wrong information. But grass is certainly not PHM's best and /or favourite surface. So I wonder whether Roddick's performance against him actually tells much about his current form.well I think he played pretty well in the 2nd and 3rd sets, his game should be good on the surface, so I don't think it matters, and he's had a decent grass season winning 7 matches, so I think past history doesn't matter. Andy went from being a pretty bad grass player to a really good one in the span of a year, so you never know. Spot on from Deb, and yes when you look at Andy's opponents so far:

Mathieu - world #2 choker
Verdasco - world #1 choker
UdomCHOKE ;)

He's had a very easy time of it so far and he knows that if he just puts the ball in play, these guys will self-destruct. I hope it was a case of knowing the opposition because if this is his new permanent playing style then he'll be in trouble, not just tomorrow but for the rest of his career.This is how Andy has been for a long time, this isn't a "new" playing style, except for a little bit last summer (and even at the USO he did it, think the Verdasco match) this is what he has done. It's really disconcerting and a really horrific habit to be in and it's perplexing that Jimmy puts up with it

Fergie
07-04-2007, 08:40 PM
Andy in 3 or 4

Havok
07-04-2007, 09:11 PM
Went for Andy in 4. Gasquet is playing too well for Roddick to blitz him imo, coupled with the fact that apparently andy isn't playing so well (haven't seen a single match from Wimbledon, but take others' word for it). GReat to see Gasquet finally living up to his potential, sucks that my two top faves meet in the QF and not later on :(.

guy in sf
07-04-2007, 09:38 PM
Gasquet in 4 sets

federated
07-04-2007, 11:55 PM
I hope richard in 5, but I'm going with roddick in 3.

Merton
07-05-2007, 12:03 AM
Andy in 3, the key is that Richard will fail to put enough returns into play.

laure xxx
07-05-2007, 02:43 AM
Roddick probably.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-05-2007, 03:20 AM
Roddick in 4.

Andi-M
07-05-2007, 03:33 AM
Andy in 4

Action Jackson
07-05-2007, 03:49 AM
Roddick easily and then he fulfills his role as cannon fodder against Federer.

vincayou
07-05-2007, 08:09 AM
I don't know what to think about Richie's return. He can be dreadful (many examples), or exceptional (against Tsonga, or against Soderling last year in Lyon). So there is hope that he's in one of those days when he can return some of the Roddick's serve and make it interesting. In addition, that's the 3rd time they meet now, so he will probably learn better Andy's serve.

krystlel
07-05-2007, 08:11 AM
Roddick in 3 sets. Gasquet might sneak out a set at best but the result will never be in doubt.

chewy
07-05-2007, 08:16 AM
i say andy...in 3 or 4 sets

Halba
07-05-2007, 08:20 AM
gasquet will beat andy and make his first grand slam breakthrough for a semi with fed. He will also take a set of Fed.

Pixie
07-05-2007, 08:28 AM
I don't know what to think about Richie's return. He can be dreadful (many examples), or exceptional (against Tsonga, or against Soderling last year in Lyon). So there is hope that he's in one of those days when he can return some of the Roddick's serve and make it interesting. In addition, that's the 3rd time they meet now, so he will probably learn better Andy's serve.

Actually, a lot has to do with the type of serve imo. Gasquet struggles against kick whereas he deals pretty well with quick "flat" serves (Sôderling, Safin, Tsonga etc.). Hence Roddick should be quite a problem today imo but we'll see.

Halba
07-05-2007, 09:13 AM
gasquet much more solid off the baseline.

Puschkin
07-06-2007, 07:32 PM
Roddick easily and then he fulfills his role as cannon fodder against Federer.
:haha: "Showpony" proved you wrong and many others, too. :p