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Julio1974
07-04-2007, 03:43 PM
A well know roaster + Nadal's least favorite surface = Youznhy should win this.

Does anyone know anything about his shoulder problems?

Mariana_lcf
07-04-2007, 03:47 PM
vamos youznhy:)

anon57
07-04-2007, 03:52 PM
I think Nadal has the edge here. Youzhny has not been very impressive on grass and in his last matches has had a lot of trouble holding serve.

connectolove
07-04-2007, 04:00 PM
I really hope that Rafa wins

guga2120
07-04-2007, 04:04 PM
Obviously Youznhy can beat him, last years US Open, but i think Rafa will get through this, but it won't be easy.

adee-gee
07-04-2007, 04:08 PM
Rafa, hopefully within 5 days.

The_Nadal_effect
07-04-2007, 04:27 PM
Rafa, hopefully within 5 days.

No way man! Rafa in 4 :lol:

Rafa actually has some chance here. Youzhny is a threat on hard courts. Rafa's nemesis should ideally be Berdie, not Misha!

TMJordan
07-04-2007, 04:32 PM
Misha :rocker2:

doddel
07-04-2007, 04:33 PM
I hate to say this, but Rafa is going to take this one in 3 short sets

Sunset of Age
07-04-2007, 04:38 PM
Rafa in three. Misha isn't that impressive on grass, and besides that he's having problems with his back.
Anyway, I hope it'll be a good match.

Blue Heart24
07-04-2007, 04:39 PM
Misha :D

Mansave_75
07-04-2007, 04:40 PM
Rafa in 3 or as worst in 4 sets,but it will be a though match for both!
Arriba Rafa!!!!

FedFan_2007
07-04-2007, 04:42 PM
Useful Youzhny to cream the piggy.

dylan24
07-04-2007, 04:45 PM
time for the pig to go home
lets go youzhny

ExpectedWinner
07-04-2007, 04:52 PM
Nadal. Misha can't hold his serve this tournament.

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 05:53 PM
Nadal in 3...Youzhny might get hot for one set and it to 4 max.

martine2
07-04-2007, 05:54 PM
I don't know Youzhny well enough on grass so I don't know. It isn't Rafa's best surface, but I don't know what youzhny can do.
I hope Rafa wins however.

RagingLamb
07-04-2007, 05:55 PM
i'd lke to see nadal win this match, but my instinct tells me Youzhny's gonna win it.

SixPack
07-04-2007, 05:56 PM
Nadal will win in 3 hard fought sets!

7-6(6) 7-6(7) 7-6(5)

Marek.
07-04-2007, 06:12 PM
I think Youzhny wins this.

jenanun
07-04-2007, 06:18 PM
rafa

dkw
07-04-2007, 06:30 PM
Where's RonE???

Oh! He's busy getting the Piggy Roasting thread warmed up.

heehee!!!

tcorinna
07-04-2007, 06:35 PM
Youzhny in 3 ... maximum 4 :wavey: :wavey:

sykotique
07-04-2007, 06:46 PM
The grudge match that is Rafa - Birdman will not be denied. Vamos!

Horatio Caine
07-04-2007, 06:49 PM
Nadal.

Youzhny has come off that wave of form he was riding earlier in the year. Besides, Nadal is still relatively unproven on US hardcourts...grass is a different animal.

Beforehand
07-04-2007, 06:49 PM
I think Youzhny's just not quite sharp enough here this year to do it.

Berdych/Nadal is where it's at.

The_Nadal_effect
07-04-2007, 06:50 PM
I am surprised by the number of people who count on Misha to take out Rafa.

Misha isn't a Rafa Killa outside hard-courts. Rafa can fight this out and win. A win over Misha on a non-clay court might also give him some confidence when he faces him next on deco-turf!

Bad Religion
07-04-2007, 06:51 PM
Rafa in 4 sets

When Youzhny won his 2 matches vs Nadal , it was against the worst Nadal and with low confidence

TMJordan
07-04-2007, 06:51 PM
I think Youzhny's just not quite sharp enough here this year to do it.

Berdych/Nadal is where it's at.

He has just reached his career high of number 13 last week :rolleyes:

Saturn66
07-04-2007, 06:56 PM
Misha :devil:

Marek.
07-04-2007, 06:56 PM
Rafa in 4 sets

When Youzhny won his 2 matches vs Nadal , it was against the worst Nadal and with low confidence

:lol: It has nothing to do with the fact that Youzhny's a bad match up for Nadal, right?:rolleyes:

Mistaflava
07-04-2007, 07:02 PM
Youzhny has no chance whatsoever, not here, not this year

yana
07-04-2007, 07:05 PM
Useful Youzhny to cream the piggy.


My favourite fedfan

sykotique
07-04-2007, 07:05 PM
I think Youzhny's just not quite sharp enough here this year to do it.

Berdych/Nadal is where it's at.

Word.

Metis
07-04-2007, 07:10 PM
Nadal is tired; his opponent had a pretty straightforward 3rd round and will have had one day's rest when they meet. Adding this to the match-up issues I'm not so sure Rafa will be in the QF. I just hope for a continuous, rain-free match :unsure:.

the answer
07-04-2007, 07:16 PM
Youzhny has no chance whatsoever, not here, not this year

What's that suppose to mean? He already beat him this year, remember? Dubai in straights.

mickymouse
07-04-2007, 07:17 PM
I seem to recall how everyone wrote off Youzhny's chances against Nadal at last year's US Open.

Bad Religion
07-04-2007, 07:18 PM
:lol: It has nothing to do with the fact that Youzhny's a bad match up for Nadal, right?:rolleyes:

I don`t think Youzhny has the firepower a la Blake or Berdych to complicate Rafa . He is not a bad match up for Rafa in normal conditions

Once again , Youzhny won against the worst Rafa in years

the answer
07-04-2007, 07:24 PM
I don`t think Youzhny has the firepower a la Blake or Berdych to complicate Rafa . He is not a bad match up for Rafa in normal conditions

Once again , Youzhny won against the worst Rafa in years

Watch what you say cause you will look stupid if Youzhny dismisses Nadal in straight sets.

Marek.
07-04-2007, 07:37 PM
I don`t think Youzhny has the firepower a la Blake or Berdych to complicate Rafa . He is not a bad match up for Rafa in normal conditions

Once again , Youzhny won against the worst Rafa in years

Did you even watch their US Open match? Youzhny clearly showed he was a bad match up for him as his flat ground strokes exposed the weakness in Nadal's forehand. It had nothing to do with Nadal's confidence at the moment, he was just outplayed. I don't know if this would translate to grass since they've never played on this surface but if they play on hardcourts again this summer, Youzhny would be the favorite.

ChinoRios4Ever
07-04-2007, 07:39 PM
Rafa this time

Mistaflava
07-04-2007, 07:41 PM
What's that suppose to mean? He already beat him this year, remember? Dubai in straights.


Dubai does not = Wimbledon on grass...Youzhny has no chance

Baghdatis72
07-04-2007, 07:42 PM
I think Nadal will manage to win but it will be tough.

the answer
07-04-2007, 07:50 PM
Dubai does not = Wimbledon on grass...Youzhny has no chance

Granted youzhny is not playing as well as he did in the beginning of the season, but don't you think saying that he has no chance is a bit exaggerated ?? I'm not saying he will win but going to this match he should be considered the favorite because of his two wins on fast surface, and wimbledon plays even faster than the Us Open and Dubai the only conscerne for Youzhny will be to hold his serve (he has had a lot of trouble doing that this week) if he does he will win.

Mistaflava
07-04-2007, 07:51 PM
no chance whatsoever

Deivid23
07-04-2007, 07:56 PM
Funny how weak is some people´s memory :eek:

Misha in 4 sets

scarecrows
07-04-2007, 07:59 PM
the spartan warrior will demolish the colonel in 3 sets

ExpectedWinner
07-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Funny how weak is some people´s memory :eek:

Misha in 4 sets

Misha is not 100% fit at this tournament. He lost his serve 11 times in the last 2 matches.

Sofonda Cox
07-04-2007, 08:06 PM
youznhy :D :worship: :wavey:

Deivid23
07-04-2007, 08:08 PM
Misha is not 100% fit at this tournament. He lost his serve 11 times in the last 2 matches.

I think he will be ok and he always plays good tennis against Rafa. And we will break Rafa a lot of times the way Nadal is serving this week, so he should be fine

Jim Courier
07-04-2007, 08:22 PM
Nadal 2-6 7-6 6-3 6-1.

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 08:24 PM
Funny how weak is some people´s memory :eek:

Misha in 4 sets

Mr. Colonel is not playing all that well. I expect Nadal to raise his game above the poor performance of the 4th and 5th sets against Soderling. We'll see...

Deivid23
07-04-2007, 08:29 PM
Mr. Colonel is not playing all that well. I expect Nadal to raise his game above the poor performance of the 4th and 5th sets against Soderling. We'll see...

I´m pretty much convinced we will see a very good display from Misha tomorrow, can´t say the same about Nadal, though. And even with a good version of Nadal, Misha might prove too strong for him on grass ---> Youzhny will win

NYCtennisfan
07-04-2007, 08:32 PM
I´m pretty much convinced we will see a very good display from Misha tomorrow, can´t say the same about Nadal, though. And even with a good version of Nadal, Misha might prove too strong for him on grass ---> Youzhny will win

Should be interesting to say the least. Let's just hope the damn rain stays away.

the answer
07-04-2007, 08:35 PM
It's like with James Blake he sucks for the whole year but when he meets Nadal he plays like a different man, Why ? Because he knows he has his number.

The Freak
07-04-2007, 08:46 PM
Nadal wins, 4-6, 6-3, 6-3, 6-2.

stebs
07-04-2007, 09:03 PM
Nadal in four.

Youzhny is far away from the form that saw him beat Nadal in Dubai this year and people assume because he is good on fast hardcourts he is good on grass. He isn't a clown of course but it isn't his favourite surface and he would rather be playing on a hardcourt.

Realistically Youzhny is going to be able to get a set because he has the right game, the right tactics and seems to step it up vs Rafa but I honestly don't see him keeping up the level he will need to beat Nadal tomorrow. It would be different if he was serving bombs but he isn't and he will have to play rallies to win service games.

Fergie
07-04-2007, 09:10 PM
Davai Misha, do it again! :smoke:

rmb6687
07-04-2007, 09:27 PM
as much as I would like Misha to kick Nadal's ass, I think that Berdych should do the honors.

W!MBLEDON
07-04-2007, 09:28 PM
Youzhny 6-1, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2.

jazar
07-04-2007, 09:29 PM
this is misha's for the taking

~Jin~
07-04-2007, 11:55 PM
Youzhny

Byrd
07-05-2007, 12:12 AM
Colonel proved he can outplay Nadal on a slow high bouncing court at dubai, so I give him a decent chance tomorrow on a similiar court.

Merton
07-05-2007, 01:09 AM
Youzhny in 4 or Nadal in 5, I will go for the 1st option.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:12 AM
Colonel proved he can outplay Nadal on a slow high bouncing court at dubai, so I give him a decent chance tomorrow on a similiar court.

so Wimbledon is a slow, high bouncing court? get the fuck outta here

scoobs
07-05-2007, 01:13 AM
If Youzhny is struggling physically, Nadal will win - Youzhny needs to be at the top of his game, then he can defeat Nadal, but otherwise, Nadal will find a way to tough it out.

It will require Nadal to play better, though. He hasn't looked all that impressive, even given the bizarre circumstances of the last match. He won more thanks to gutsing it out and the occasional flash of genius rather than solid, sharp play. He needs to move up a couple of gears now and make a statement about his intentions in this event.

gusman890
07-05-2007, 01:26 AM
Misha will win this one. 4 sets I believe.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 02:22 AM
some real crackheads in this thread...Nadal will win...

VolandriFan
07-05-2007, 02:28 AM
Misha will beat Nadal, I just have a feeling about it. His game is perfect for grass, and Nadal's confidence will have taken a blow after Soderling took him to five sets.

rousea
07-05-2007, 02:28 AM
Nadal will win this. Youzhny may take one set, but no more than that.

Fapmeister
07-05-2007, 02:47 AM
I'm surprised the poll is almost 50/50. Youznhy is 3-1 againt Nadal off of the clay and Nadal isn't particularly effective on grass. I'd guess Youznhy is about a 4 to 1 or at least 3 to 1 favorite.

turkjey5
07-05-2007, 08:51 AM
Misha's game has dropped since the US Open plus his mental side is very shakey, he can go south in a hurry. Nadal in 4.

Bart.
07-05-2007, 10:56 AM
I hope Youzhny in 3.

drf716
07-05-2007, 11:28 AM
i voted for nadal coz youzhny always loses if i vote for him.

t0x
07-05-2007, 12:23 PM
Well Misha is doing well so far!

I thought Rafa would win in 3 tight sets (I wasn't all that impressed by Misha's first few matches).

I still think Rafa may come back here though...

l_mac
07-05-2007, 12:26 PM
Well Misha is doing well so far!

I thought Rafa would win in 3 tight sets (I wasn't all that impressed by Misha's first few matches).

I still think Rafa may come back here though...

Not if he keeps playing the way he is now. I like Youzhny, so I won't be heartbroken if Rafa loses today. Until I start thinking about all his lost points.

Kolya
07-05-2007, 12:39 PM
Misha has a chance but he really needs to play well from the start.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 12:40 PM
People are stupid, how much time will it take to understand that outside clay if you hit flat and hard you defeat Rafa?

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 12:54 PM
People are stupid, how much time will it take to understand that outside clay if you hit flat and hard you defeat Rafa?



thanks for these comments...now Nadal will most surely comeback and win. Never understood why some assclowns talk shit before a match is over. Even if Nadal does end up losing, it never ceases to amaze me.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:25 PM
thanks for these comments...now Nadal will most surely comeback and win. Never understood why some assclowns talk shit before a match is over. Even if Nadal does end up losing, it never ceases to amaze me.

Youzhny is injured.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:27 PM
Youzhny is injured.



:haha:

Dont start making excuses. Take that foot of yours and shove it down your throat...what you did was stupid and quite possibly cost Youzhny the match.

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 01:29 PM
Nadal will grind it in 5... so predictable... :)

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:30 PM
:haha:

Dont start making excuses. Take that foot of yours and shove it down your throat...what you did was stupid and quite possibly cost Youzhny the match.

Oh shut up, u were talking shit before the match even started. Youzhny has hit fewer aces than Nadal clearly a sign of the back injury he is supposed to have beeing real. You are a fcking moron not to see that.

In every break he is having threatment, you are an idiot.

Allegretto
07-05-2007, 01:31 PM
Youzhny is getting treatment for his back now.

test
07-05-2007, 01:33 PM
Nadal coming back strong, Youznhy saving himself with serving good there.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:33 PM
Youzhny is getting treatment for his back now.

THis match needs a rain break to end in fair way.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 01:35 PM
THis match needs a rain break to end in fair way.


:lol:

test
07-05-2007, 01:36 PM
THis match needs a rain break to end in fair way.

come on, enough with the bullshit. injuries happen, dont cry about it.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:38 PM
come on, enough with the bullshit. injuries happen, dont cry about it.

YEah, but I think it is too bad all other courts got rain breaks and not Youzhny who badly needs one.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:38 PM
YEah, but I think it is too bad all other courts got rain breaks and not Youzhny who badly needs one.



stop your bitching and admit that you made dumbass comments

l_mac
07-05-2007, 01:38 PM
YEah, but I think it is too bad all other courts got rain breaks and not Youzhny who badly needs one.


They got an 8 minute delay.

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 01:40 PM
This Nadal is just too good, yet I'm convinced he'll cruise to the title... VAMOS ! :cool: :rocker2:

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:40 PM
THis match needs a rain break to end in fair way.

Pretty much. Nadal should be out right now. Out by a mile.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:40 PM
:haha:


If Nadal comesback and wins this match, I can't wait to hear about the excuses from people who thought Youzhny would win for sure up 2-0.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:40 PM
stop your bitching and admit that you made dumbass comments

Well, you are an idiot if you think what is said in the internet will change the outcome of a match. Jinxing doesnt exist.

RonE
07-05-2007, 01:41 PM
Pretty much. Nadal should be out right now. Out by a mile.

So was the back not a factor for Youzhny in the first two sets? Was he simply outplaying Nadal then?

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:41 PM
Well, you are an idiot if you think what is said in the internet will change the outcome of a match. Jinxing doesnt exist.



you're this close to becoming exhibit #9 in the case of 'jinx proof'.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:42 PM
Look anyone who saw the kind of incredible tennis Youzhny played the 1st 2 sets would understant what I mean when I say that Youzhny deserves a break and play atleast the 5th set healthy.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:42 PM
So was the back not a factor for Youzhny in the first two sets? Was he simply outplaying Nadal then?



anyone who uses the back excuse is a sorry sack of shit...its quite pathetic how people get around here. Win or lose, no excuses is the way it should be. The right player always prevails...

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
so when Nadal loses and hes injured, its making excuses, but when Nadal beats an injured player, it doesnt really count because if he was healthy, Rafa would have no chance? :retard:

l_mac
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
So was the back not a factor for Youzhny in the first two sets? Was he simply outplaying Nadal then?


Youzhny played brilliantly for the first two sets, especially the 2nd. Rafa, it has to be said, is serving much, much better than he was in the first 2 sets.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
So was the back not a factor for Youzhny in the first two sets? Was he simply outplaying Nadal then?

Clearly the back was a lot better earlier on - that's obvious. Youzhny can't even move right now.

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
So was the back not a factor for Youzhny in the first two sets? Was he simply outplaying Nadal then?

:cool: Nobody outplays the Spartan King ! :o

VAMOS !

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
so when Nadal loses and hes injured, its making excuses, but when Nadal beats an injured player, it doesnt really count because if he was healthy, Rafa would have no chance? :retard:

Oh, it counts. Nadal is money - everyone knows that.

But he should be out - everyone also knows that.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Look anyone who saw the kind of incredible tennis Youzhny played the 1st 2 sets would understant what I mean when I say that Youzhny deserves a break and play atleast the 5th set healthy.



deserves a break? are you that fuckin stupid or what? he deserves a break because he's a tennis God? I don't get it...

RonE
07-05-2007, 01:44 PM
anyone who uses the back excuse is a sorry sack of shit...its quite pathetic how people get around here.

Thanks for answering my question.

Let's try this again: how did Youzhny win the first two sets? Was he outplaying Nadal? Was Nadal below par? Was the back in any way a factor?

Marek.
07-05-2007, 01:44 PM
Youzhny's definately not moving as well as he did in the first two sets but Nadal is playing a lot better.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 01:44 PM
Thanks for answering my question.

Let's try this again: how did Youzhny win the first two sets? Was he outplaying Nadal? Was Nadal below par? Was the back in any way a factor?

Others have answered your question, RonE.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:44 PM
so when Nadal loses and hes injured, its making excuses, but when Nadal beats an injured player, it doesnt really count because if he was healthy, Rafa would have no chance? :retard:



Dont even bother with some of these assclowns bro...most of them are 12 years old and have the IQ's of a snail.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:45 PM
Oh, it counts. Nadal is money - everyone knows that.

But he should be out - everyone also knows that.

but hes NOT, is he?

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:45 PM
Thanks for answering my question.

Let's try this again: how did Youzhny win the first two sets? Was he outplaying Nadal? Was Nadal below par? Was the back in any way a factor?

He was moving very well and outplaying Nadal in pretty much every way. We saw it in the past - Youzhny's backhand rules Nadal and this was no exception.

Nadal, of course, is a great student of the game and is the best at making adjustments in the middle of matches. He deserves credit.

But Misha's level has dropped significantly - he's hurting.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:46 PM
Nadal picked things up after the break in the second set...he played a lot better in the second part of the second set and that one could have gone either way.

Since when does a grand slam tennis match end after 2 sets...keep the excuses coming please.

RonE
07-05-2007, 01:46 PM
Others have answered your question, RonE.

OK thanks, must have posted them while I was making that post.

Anyway, injuries are part of the game. If Nadal wins, no excuses from me :)

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:46 PM
Thanks for answering my question.

Let's try this again: how did Youzhny win the first two sets? Was he outplaying Nadal? Was Nadal below par? Was the back in any way a factor?

i didnt see it, but from previous encounters and what ive read/seen, Misha was dictating play and playing better with his flat shots while Nadal's topspin was kicking up right into Youzhny's wheelhouse.

In the 3rd, Nadal started serving better and playing closer to the baseline on returns and in general, started to flatten his shots and go for more. Youzhny also hurt his back again, but that is not the sole purpose for Misha's demise

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:47 PM
He was moving very well and outplaying Nadal in pretty much every way. We saw it in the past - Youzhny's backhand rules Nadal and this was no exception.

Nadal, of course, is a great student of the game and is the best at making adjustments in the middle of matches. He deserves credit.

But Misha's level has dropped significantly - he's hurting.



:bs:


We all knew the back injury would become a factor somehow if Nadal made a comeback

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 01:47 PM
Flava in his Rafatard mood is hilarious :haha: :haha:

l_mac
07-05-2007, 01:48 PM
He was moving very well and outplaying Nadal in pretty much every way. We saw it in the past - Youzhny's backhand rules Nadal and this was no exception.

Nadal, of course, is a great student of the game and is the best at making adjustments in the middle of matches. He deserves credit.

But Misha's level has dropped significantly - he's hurting.

I thought the first set was pretty tight actually, a very loose service game from Nadal at 4-5 gave Youzhny the set.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:48 PM
all we need now is RFK and this'll be a full house

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Flava in his Rafatard mood is hilarious :haha: :haha:



I would defend Roger or any other player the same way. Im just sick of coming in these threads and reading some of the dumbass posts and comments. I don't particularly like either Rafa or Roger but someone has to shoot stones at the trolling pigeons.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:50 PM
I thought the first set was pretty tight actually, a very loose service game from Nadal at 4-5 gave Youzhny the set.

Yes, definitely not a blowout or anything. In terms of pure skills on grass, Youzhny should be killing Nadal. But that's the thing about Nadal - he's the strongest player mentally on the tour. He makes something out of nothing every time.

cmurray
07-05-2007, 01:50 PM
Misha is obviously hurting, but Raf is playing better too. Very crisp, aggressive tennis. Basically, Rafa is going for the kill. :shrug: I'm a little confused by this talk of "fair" or "not fair". How is it "not fair"?

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:54 PM
Misha is obviously hurting, but Raf is playing better too. Very crisp, aggressive tennis. Basically, Rafa is going for the kill. :shrug: I'm a little confused by this talk of "fair" or "not fair". How is it "not fair"?



according to marcRD, its not fair that Youzhny wasn't given a long break to be ready for the 5th set.



:haha:

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:55 PM
Yes, definitely not a blowout or anything. In terms of pure skills on grass, Youzhny should be killing Nadal. But that's the thing about Nadal - he's the strongest player mentally on the tour. He makes something out of nothing every time.



Last time I checked Youzhny had won only 61% of his matches on grass, hardly a grass court specialist while Nadal had won 73% of his grass court matches. This aint hardcourts...

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:56 PM
according to marcRD, its not fair that Youzhny wasn't given a long break to be ready for the 5th set.



:haha:

he DID take a bathroom break :shrug:

im guessing you have money on Nadal today?

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Incredible backhand up the line by Nadal. Great instincts and innate feel. Misha's balance is slightly off, so Nadal gets him to run around.

Misha is just not playing with enough imagination right now - partly because he can't dominate Rafa with his groundstrokes alone anymore. Nadal is having one of his perpetual adrenaline rushes again.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:56 PM
People are stupid, how much time will it take to understand that outside clay if you hit flat and hard you defeat Rafa?



post of the year so far with Youzhny up 2-0 in sets...

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:57 PM
Misha is obviously hurting, but Raf is playing better too. Very crisp, aggressive tennis. Basically, Rafa is going for the kill. :shrug: I'm a little confused by this talk of "fair" or "not fair". How is it "not fair"?

Rafa cant go for the kill if Youzhny play his normal aggresive tennis. Now Youzhny cant do it, so it gets much easier for Nadal to play Youzhny around. I mean it is great how Nadal can take advantage of the situation, but it is so sad t see this happening to Youzhny who played so mindblowing tennis in the 1st 2 sets.

cmurray
07-05-2007, 01:57 PM
according to marcRD, its not fair that Youzhny wasn't given a long break to be ready for the 5th set.



:haha:

Um, oookkkkaaaayyyy. So it isn't fair that we didn't get a downpour? wow. That's some logic there.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:57 PM
Last time I checked Youzhny had won only 61% of his matches on grass, hardly a grass court specialist while Nadal had won 73% of his grass court matches. This aint hardcourts...

This is why I picked Nadal to win this match.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:57 PM
he DID take a bathroom break :shrug:

im guessing you have money on Nadal today?



yeah I have a significant amount on him...wasn't looking too good at some point but marcRD made me feel better with his comments.

Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 01:57 PM
Incredible backhand up the line by Nadal. Great instincts and innate feel. Misha's balance is slightly off, so Nadal gets him to run around.

Misha is just not playing with enough imagination right now - partly because he can't dominate Rafa with his groundstrokes alone anymore. Nadal is having one of his perpetual adrenaline rushes again.

Just stop

marcRD
07-05-2007, 01:58 PM
Um, oookkkkaaaayyyy. So it isn't fair that we didn't get a downpour? wow. That's some logic there.

I just think it is not fair this is happening to Youzhny, I only said it would be fair to have a good long break and maybe Youzhny can get back healthy to the match, is that so much to ask for?

l_mac
07-05-2007, 01:58 PM
Rafa cant go for the kill if Youzhny play his normal aggresive tennis. Now Youzhny cant do it, so it gets much easier for Nadal to play Youzhny around. I mean it is great how Nadal can take advantage of the situation, but it is so sad t see this happening to Youzhny who played so mindblowing tennis in the 1st 2 sets.


With Youzhny being this injured, it would be best for the tournament for Nadal to go through. We all know that the bottom half of the draw is going to have to play every day now.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 01:58 PM
Um, oookkkkaaaayyyy. So it isn't fair that we didn't get a downpour? wow. That's some logic there.



like I said, most threads on MTF have trolling pigeons like marcRD and someone needs to keep throwing stones at them. Whats next...Youzhny should be allowed to eat popsicles after each set because he likes them?

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 01:59 PM
Just stop

Ignore feature - use it if you like.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 02:00 PM
With Youzhny being this injured, it would be best for the tournament for Nadal to go through. We all know that the bottom half of the draw is going to have to play every day now.

I agree, Youzhny wont make it against Berdych anyway. But I am still very sad.

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Misha is obviously injured... that's sad and I hope he'll recover soon as he is a great player.

anon57
07-05-2007, 02:01 PM
I just think it is not fair this is happening to Youzhny, I only said it would be fair to have a good long break and maybe Youzhny can get back healthy to the match, is that so much to ask for?

I wouldn't say it's unfair, it's unfortunate for Youzhny if something is bothering him but being healthy and fit is also part of the game.

Mistaflava
07-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Misha is obviously injured... that's sad and I hope he'll recover soon as he is a great player.




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Johnny Groove
07-05-2007, 02:02 PM
Ignore feature - use it if you like.

i believe in free speech

cmurray
07-05-2007, 02:02 PM
I just think it is not fair this is happening to Youzhny, I only said it would be fair to have a good long break and maybe Youzhny can get back healthy to the match, is that so much to ask for?

Yes, its too much to ask for. Let me ask you this...would you be wishing the same thing if it were Nadal that was hurt?

marcRD
07-05-2007, 02:05 PM
Misha is obviously injured... that's sad and I hope he'll recover soon as he is a great player.

Thank god someone neutral stepped in and told it like it is. Maybe Nadal could have turned it around against a healthy Youzhny, who knows? I mean it isnt like Nadal is unworthy to get to QF but if you cant confess that Youzhnys injury is losing him the match right now you are living in a dreamworld.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 02:06 PM
I like Nadal - he reminds me of Borg on grass. Nadal fans just have to be sensible and admit that Rafa is very fortunate today, but not less so than Borg in several of his Wimbledon matches that he should have lost (eg. Amritraj in 1979 Wimbledon).

I'm the biggest Borg fan there is and I would admit to that - he was hardly a natural on grass and neither is Rafa.

Good breaks/bad breaks are part of the game and it's all fair and square and Rafa creates some of the breaks himself, but be humble folks. It doesn't take a great mind to see that Nadal has not improved much on grass since last year and is barely scraping through on moxie and determination right now. I hold that in high esteem, but can't help but think that today's match is a divine way to compensate Rafa for the bad breaks in the Soderling match.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 02:06 PM
Yes, its too much to ask for. Let me ask you this...would you be wishing the same thing if it were Nadal that was hurt?

Definetly, I mean I would feel the victory is unworthy. But I am a big fan of Youzhny so it feels even more when he gets injured ofcourse.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 02:10 PM
I like Nadal - he reminds me of Borg on grass. Nadal fans just have to be sensible and admit that Rafa is very fortunate today, but not less so than Borg in several of his Wimbledon matches that he should have lost (eg. Amritraj in 1979 Wimbledon).



I don't think there are many Nadal fans who can't admit he has been fortunate today. But luck often plays a part in tennis matches, and Nadal has certainly been due some this Championship.

Beforehand
07-05-2007, 02:12 PM
There's no doubt that this match would be very different if Youzhny wasn't dying out there, but in the end, it's not Rafael's fault, so what does anyone want from him?

Too bad for Youzhny. A bit of luck for Rafa. In the end, it won't matter to he or Berdych tomorrow.

RonE
07-05-2007, 02:13 PM
Double break now. This match is O.V.E.R.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 02:13 PM
The match we all wanted - Berdych v Nadal is coming soon. Oh, I'm all giddy.

Sunset of Age
07-05-2007, 02:14 PM
Indeed, Rafa has had his share of luck today. Not that difficult for me to admit. But one can't deny his fighting spirit, his never-give-up mentality has played a major role in this match as well.

I just feel sorry for Misha.

cmurray
07-05-2007, 02:14 PM
I like Nadal - he reminds me of Borg on grass. Nadal fans just have to be sensible and admit that Rafa is very fortunate today, but not less so than Borg in several of his Wimbledon matches that he should have lost (eg. Amritraj in 1979 Wimbledon).

I'm the biggest Borg fan there is and I would admit to that - he was hardly a natural on grass and neither is Rafa.

Good breaks/bad breaks are part of the game and it's all fair and square and Rafa creates some of the breaks himself, but be humble folks. It doesn't take a great mind to see that Nadal has not improved much on grass since last year and is barely scraping through on moxie and determination right now. I hold that in high esteem, but can't help but think that today's match is a divine way to compensate Rafa for the bad breaks in the Soderling match.

I would never contend that Rafa didn't get "some luck" with Misha getting hurt. I was more perplexed over this talk of it being "unfair" more than anything else. Rafa, unlike a LOT of players doesn't get tight because the guy he's playing against grabs his injury every time he loses a point.

I like Misha actually - and I never wish injury on ANYONE, but those are the breaks. If your body can't hold up, you will lose.

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 02:14 PM
The match we all wanted - Berdych v Nadal is coming soon. Oh, I'm all giddy.

Another overhyped encounter... Nadal will cruise his way to the title anyway...

RonE
07-05-2007, 02:15 PM
There's no doubt that this match would be very different if Youzhny wasn't dying out there, but in the end, it's not Rafael's fault, so what does anyone want from him?

Too bad for Youzhny. A bit of luck for Rafa. In the end, it won't matter to he or Berdych tomorrow.

If anything Youzhny's game is a worse match up for Berdych than Nadal's. Given the choice between having to play a 100% healthy Youzhny or Nadal on this surface I am sure Tomas would pick the latter option in a heartbeat.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 02:16 PM
The match we all wanted - Berdych v Nadal is coming soon. Oh, I'm all giddy.

I'm nauseous.

Beforehand
07-05-2007, 02:18 PM
If anything Youzhny's game is a worse match up for Berdych than Nadal's. Given the choice between having to play a 100% healthy Youzhny or Nadal on this surface I am sure Tomas would pick the latter option in a heartbeat.
Oh, no doubt. If I did, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just meant that Berdych will be focused on the match tomorrow either way, not like "Well, Nadal shouldn't even be here, so I guess I'll just concentrate on that."

If it's Nadal, Berdych will go in expecting to win and trying like hell, and the thought that Youzhny went down injured won't be on his mind.

sykotique
07-05-2007, 02:18 PM
The match we all wanted - Berdych v Nadal is coming soon. Oh, I'm all giddy.

Yessir! Now THIS is tennis.

cmurray
07-05-2007, 02:18 PM
If anything Youzhny's game is a worse match up for Berdych than Nadal's. Given the choice between having to play a 100% healthy Youzhny or Nadal on this surface I am sure Tomas would pick the latter option in a heartbeat.

No doubt about that. Berdych doesn't fear Rafa in the least. He probably WANTS Nadal to win.

CyBorg
07-05-2007, 02:19 PM
I would never contend that Rafa didn't get "some luck" with Misha getting hurt. I was more perplexed over this talk of it being "unfair" more than anything else. Rafa, unlike a LOT of players doesn't get tight because the guy he's playing against grabs his injury every time he loses a point.

I like Misha actually - and I never wish injury on ANYONE, but those are the breaks. If your body can't hold up, you will lose.

Youzhny's career will always be a bit of a 'what if' due to his back problems. He's missed many months (almost years) of action because of it. Could have won a grand slam title along the way.

cmurray
07-05-2007, 02:22 PM
Youzhny's career will always be a bit of a 'what if' due to his back problems. He's missed many months (almost years) of action because of it. Could have won a grand slam along the way.

Its very sad for him. He's a good player and his results should have been far better than they've been. Like I said, I really like Misha.

marcRD
07-05-2007, 02:22 PM
Youzhny's career will always be a bit of a 'what if' due to his back problems. He's missed many months (almost years) of action because of it. Could have won a grand slam along the way.

That is why I get extra sensitive when I see this happening to Youzhny in such an important match. He has always been one of my favorite players and I dont think he ever has reached his potetial.

Marek.
07-05-2007, 02:23 PM
I seem to recall a lot of Nadal fans saying he could of done better against Gonzo at the AO if he was fitter.

bokehlicious
07-05-2007, 02:24 PM
I seem to recall a lot of Nadal fans saying he could of done better against Gonzo at the AO if he was fitter.

Indeed... :angel: :angel:

Beforehand
07-05-2007, 02:26 PM
Gonzalez was playing a lot better at the AO than Nadal is here.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 02:27 PM
I seem to recall a lot of Nadal fans saying he could of done better against Gonzo at the AO if he was fitter.

Well that was true. Same as it's true Youzhny could have done better if he was fitter. I don't get your point.

cmurray
07-05-2007, 02:28 PM
I seem to recall a lot of Nadal fans saying he could of done better against Gonzo at the AO if he was fitter.

He could have. As could Misha have. It didn't happen - that's what sports is all about.

Beforehand
07-05-2007, 02:30 PM
I still don't get the comparison.

Gonzalez wiped up Nadal in Melbourne and was never put to the test. Meanwhile, Nadal struggled here until Youzhny pulled up with the back. I agree if the point is "Well, shit happens.", but otherwise, the point is lost to me.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 02:35 PM
I still don't get the comparison.

Gonzalez wiped up Nadal in Melbourne and was never put to the test. Meanwhile, Nadal struggled here until Youzhny pulled up with the back. I agree if the point is "Well, shit happens.", but otherwise, the point is lost to me.

Nadal came into the match with Gonzo injured, Youzhny's injury flared up during the match. The basic point is shit happens.

Marek.
07-05-2007, 02:42 PM
I just wanted to check if Nadal fans understood that the match shouldn't have been that one sided in the last three sets. I felt the same thing was true in Melbourne because while Gonzo played a great match, Nadal wasn't really playing as well as he could have either. He seemed to muscle his forehand over a lot in that match.

l_mac
07-05-2007, 03:18 PM
I just wanted to check if Nadal fans understood that the match shouldn't have been that one sided in the last three sets.


:lol:

We get it.