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Rafael Nadal def. Robin Soderling 6-4 6-4 6-7 4-6 7-5

adee-gee
07-04-2007, 12:31 PM
Finally :sobbing:

Rafa :worship: Spartan stuff in that final set :D

Cya Robin :wavey:

Shuukaido
07-04-2007, 12:32 PM
Go home palomeke!

Naide
07-04-2007, 12:32 PM
Vamooooooooooooooooooos eat your shorts now Soderling :devil:

Kolya
07-04-2007, 12:32 PM
How was the handshake?

LocoPorElTenis
07-04-2007, 12:33 PM
Never in doubt. This was always going to come down to mental strength and we know who has the edge in that department.

LinkMage
07-04-2007, 12:33 PM
Chokerling strikes again!!!

Does this moron know how to hit an overhead? Apparently not. :mad:

Tennis Fool
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
How was the handshake?

I don't know. I give it a 9/10. What do you rate it :p

tennis2tennis
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
how nervy was the match!!!?:eek:

spriwi
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
rafa! i m so glad!
it must be SO frustrating to play the match in 5 parts, so hard to focus. but you made it.

soderling :eek: such a choker saving so many MP! :eek:

Neely
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
Nice job for Nadal! :hatoff:
He is just too good for that shit against this kind of opponent even on grass.

Söderling tried to tease the Spanish Bull but didn't have it to finish him.

But it was still a good match with some interesting things involved into this and this was interesting to follow. Liked the close tension you could feel in the air between the two, that really makes it intersting for me :)

Björki
07-04-2007, 12:34 PM
Rafa :woohoo: :worship:

Robin :wavey:

Voo de Mar
07-04-2007, 12:35 PM
Good effort by Robin but Nadal was better at the most important points :shrug:
Soderling is too inflexible to win against Rafa.

Psichogauchovna
07-04-2007, 12:35 PM
:nerner: byebye childish Soderling :wavey:

jonas
07-04-2007, 12:36 PM
Rafa is a stupid c**t. Contantly lifting his hand between Robins first and second serve. Take out the Pig and the cheater now Youzhny! That he don't get warnings for the delay between points is horrible!

Johnny Groove
07-04-2007, 12:36 PM
Chokerling strikes again!!!

Does this moron know how to hit an overhead? Apparently not. :mad:

because that one point was definitely the reason why he lost. Get a fucking clue :o

Meanwhile, great stuff from Nadal, that bp he saved at 5-5 with that forehand was :eek:

TheHawk
07-04-2007, 12:36 PM
The Champion moves on.

The Clown goes back home.

:)

wipeout
07-04-2007, 12:36 PM
Rafa toughed it out. :worship:

Stupid weather, stupid schedulers. :(

He had a poor winners/errors ratio for him. Hopefully this is his one bad match.

Sunset of Age
07-04-2007, 12:37 PM
How was the handshake?

There wasn't any. Heh. At least I didn't see it.

Well, congrats, Rafa! Glad he came through at last. :hatoff:

And if anything, I hope the gentlemen will show their maturity and be able to sort out their mutual problems. :rolleyes:

Johnny Groove
07-04-2007, 12:37 PM
Rafa is a stupid ****. Contantly lifting his hand between Robins first and second serve. Take out the Pig and the cheater now Youzhny! That he don't get warnings for the delay between points is horrible!

And Soderling is a perfect fucking angel too

Blue Heart24
07-04-2007, 12:37 PM
Unreal.
Robin is a legend because of what he's done at the beggining of the fifth set :devil:,but this guy is a total mental midget.
He had 2 bp's at 4-4,1 bp at 5-5,in the last game saved 4 mp's and then missed an OVERHEAD,and a BH in his last shot!:haha:
Ridicolous.

goldenlox
07-04-2007, 12:38 PM
Soderling never looked at Nadal during a very quick handshake.
A great match. I was hoping Soderling would win and play crap next round.

CyBorg
07-04-2007, 12:38 PM
There wasn't any. Heh. At least I didn't see it.

I thought it's just me. I don't remember a handshake. I think they skipped it.

Good for Rafa. It would have sucked to lose him this early.

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 12:39 PM
Soderling actually challenged the match point. :lol: What a tool.

Thank God this match is over. I had a bad moment there when it looked like it might start raining again, but thankfully it didn't.

That shot Rafa hit to get to his fourth match point, the cross court forehand, was just unbelievable. Now go and relax, Rafa.

Blue Heart24
07-04-2007, 12:39 PM
There wasn't any. Heh. At least I didn't see it.

Well, congrats, Rafa! Glad he came through at last. :hatoff:

And if anything, I hope the gentlemen will show their maturity and be able to sort out their mutual problems. :rolleyes:

There was.They didnt say a word,just a short handshake.

LinkMage
07-04-2007, 12:39 PM
because that one point was definitely the reason why he lost. Get a fucking clue :o

Meanwhile, great stuff from Nadal, that bp he saved at 5-5 with that forehand was :eek:


That point gave Nadal his 5th MP. He hit a horrible overhead that barely touched the line and then Rafito won the point.

Metis
07-04-2007, 12:39 PM
Finally this match is over :banana:. Of course the livestream started buffering right at the last game so I missed all of it but who cares? Rafa won :woohoo: Now we can all go about our business (well until the match against Youhzny that is :p )

Johnny Groove
07-04-2007, 12:40 PM
That point gave Nadal his 5th MP. He hit a horrible overhead that barely touched the line and then Rafito won the point.

I know. I saw. But that was not the sole reason for his loss. Dont give me the Soderling choking bullshit, Rafa was the one doing the choking all match, but he had the balls to pull out the match in the end.

Action Jackson
07-04-2007, 12:40 PM
There was.They didnt say a word,just a short handshake.

Thanks for that. I wish there was a refusal though.

Not a surprise, but Soderling has done his job, Youzhny and maybe Berdych are waiting.

RonE
07-04-2007, 12:40 PM
Unreal.
Robin is a legend because of what he's done at the beggining of the fifth set :devil:,but this guy is a total mental midget.
He had 2 bp's at 4-4,1 bp at 5-5,in the last game saved 4 mp's and then missed an OVERHEAD,and a BH in his last shot!:haha:
Ridicolous.

Well it was totally expected that he would blow his chances and self destruct.

But he did give the Rafatards more than a few stomach knots particularly seeing as this match could have been a straight sets affair :devil:

Now Davai Misha! :cool:

Tnn74
07-04-2007, 12:40 PM
FINALLY!!! :woohoo: way to go Rafa!!!!!
now Soderling can pick his ass back home! :banana:
VAMOS THE SPARTAN KING!!! :bigclap:

Duchova
07-04-2007, 12:41 PM
Rafa, do better against Misha. :)

dorkgirl
07-04-2007, 12:42 PM
God, i wish Soderling had managed to beat him. I don't even like Soderling particulaly, but i really don't like Nadal.

marcelwks
07-04-2007, 12:42 PM
Robin please retire :)

Sunset of Age
07-04-2007, 12:42 PM
There was.They didnt say a word,just a short handshake.

Apparently I stand corrected. That handshake must've been that short that I didn't even notice it. :cool:

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 12:42 PM
There was a handshake, yes, but it was very brief and Soderling didn't even look at Rafa. :lol: :baby:

Mistaflava
07-04-2007, 12:43 PM
Rafa is a stupid ****. Contantly lifting his hand between Robins first and second serve. Take out the Pig and the cheater now Youzhny! That he don't get warnings for the delay between points is horrible!



stop bitching...

Neely
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Thanks for that. I wish there was a refusal though.
Dito. Would have been the more dramatic end with more tension coming in future matches, yes.

l_mac
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
But he did give the Rafatards more than a few stomach knots particularly seeing as this match could have been a straight sets affair :devil:



So true. I have to admit, I thought Rafa had blown this match. Very happy to be wrong. :)

Mistaflava
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Apparently I stand corrected. That handshake must've been that short that I didn't even notice it. :cool:



it happened right in front of the umpire's chair after the point was reviewed and it was a slight tap of hands.

rocketassist
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Well done to Steve Ulrich for playing on and ignoring the little droplets.

Duchova
07-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Re the handshake, Rafa is nice.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-04-2007, 12:45 PM
Vamos Spartan King.

Never give up and keep fighting.

Soderling if you make fun of someone make sure you can beat them you loser.

The Pro
07-04-2007, 12:47 PM
Vamos! A loss would have been unbearable and very shameful.

Nadal can still play a match a day and be on track for the final (granted, I'm looking WAY ahead here), but on grass, this isn't too bad a thing.

That's if he gets past Misha...

TMJordan
07-04-2007, 12:49 PM
You see, when Robin missed that break point in Nadal's game it was all over, that is how he works, once he misses a chance to break he is imediatly broken back.

cc2monac
07-04-2007, 12:50 PM
congrats rafito!!!! finaly this match is finished!!! so happy for rafa!

Johnny Groove
07-04-2007, 12:50 PM
You see, when Robin missed that break point in Nadal's game it was all over, that is how he works, once he misses a chance to break he is imediatly broken back.

Robin had no chance of winning that point. Big serve from Rafa and an other-worldly forehand to finish off the point, he had no shot.

TMJordan
07-04-2007, 12:51 PM
Robin had no chance of winning that point. Big serve from Rafa and an other-worldly forehand to finish off the point, he had no shot.

I'm just saying it's Toad's style to be broken in the next game after missing a bp.

mallorn
07-04-2007, 12:52 PM
Five bloody days to complete this match. :rolleyes:

Well done Rafa, today he wasn't frustrated by all the waiting and starts and stops and that made the difference - this time he was very solid even when he was BP down and played a brilliant game at 6-5. :yeah:

A_Skywalker
07-04-2007, 12:57 PM
Congratulatons to Rafa, this is fighter, although I didnt watch, but Im sure he fighted.

btexas
07-04-2007, 01:02 PM
Ha Ha Ha! Well done, Rafa! :yeah:

Bye bye, Soderling. :wavey:

AND GO HOME, YOU STUPID LOSER!!! :retard: :haha:

Il Primo Uomo
07-04-2007, 01:03 PM
Glad huge ass won. He would be a better meat for Tomas!:banana:

Kolya
07-04-2007, 01:04 PM
When you're ranked in the 30's and playing Nadal, you need to try different things to win, not just tennis to compensate for your opponent's better and more consistent abilities. It almost worked.

Misha will knock Rafa out!!!

Marek.
07-04-2007, 01:05 PM
Good job Nadal turning a straight sets win into a drawn out five set win. :yeah: :lol:

Donny
07-04-2007, 01:06 PM
:rolleyes: Gilbert says that Nadal will "lay wood to Youzsny". Use of sexual euphemism aside, isn't a Gilbert prediction more of a curse?

dijus
07-04-2007, 01:11 PM
anyway, very good stuff Robin :yeah:

Eden
07-04-2007, 01:12 PM
:rolleyes: Gilbert says that Nadal will "lay wood to Youzsny".

What does this mean?

Sunset of Age
07-04-2007, 01:13 PM
What does this mean?

I don't want to know. :tape:

The Pro
07-04-2007, 01:14 PM
:rolleyes: Gilbert says that Nadal will "lay wood to Youzsny". Use of sexual euphemism aside, isn't a Gilbert prediction more of a curse?

I would pay to see that....

Bibberz
07-04-2007, 01:15 PM
Just in case anyone wanted any additional details regarding the handshake....It was so brief that was very little "shake" involved. They actually "shook" as they walked toward the umpire. Soderling made a point to avoid eye contact. The view of Nadal was largely obstructed, so I don't know where he was looking or whether he spoke (Soderling didn't).

marcRD
07-04-2007, 01:16 PM
because that one point was definitely the reason why he lost. Get a fucking clue :o

Meanwhile, great stuff from Nadal, that bp he saved at 5-5 with that forehand was :eek:

In a game like this a smash at 40-40 5-6 which is missed is definetly an important point, probably decisive for the match.

Söderling had the game to beat Nadal but not the head and Nadal played great at the end of the set. As a swedish I am still proud of Söderlings fighting spirit to save so many match points and dont show any fear towards Nadal.

Bibberz
07-04-2007, 01:17 PM
What does this mean?

In this context, It just means that Nadal would beat Youzhny, as with a bat. The idiom is occasionally used in baseball when referring to one's ability to make contact with the ball.

scarecrows
07-04-2007, 01:17 PM
Ha Ha Ha! Well done, Rafa! :yeah:

Bye bye, Soderling. :wavey:

AND GO HOME, YOU STUPID LOSER!!! :retard: :haha:

registered since 2004 and 1st post only now? :eek:

RonE
07-04-2007, 01:18 PM
Good job Nadal turning a straight sets win into a drawn out five set win. :yeah: :lol:

And in doing so giving some people here serious ulcer problems :worship: :devil:

TMJordan
07-04-2007, 01:19 PM
registered since 2004 and 1st post only now? :eek:

Yeah I saw that, I wonder which Rafatard is his other account :rolleyes:

Mistaflava
07-04-2007, 01:19 PM
registered since 2004 and 1st post only now? :eek:



:haha:


another clown with multiple accounts

Ales_Alessandra
07-04-2007, 01:20 PM
Congrats to RAFA!! :woohoo: :woohoo:
Finally the end of the thriller!

The Pro
07-04-2007, 01:22 PM
I hope Nadal didn't say anything at the net. I would have hoped he'd learned the lameness of that after the Berdych incident.

trixtah
07-04-2007, 01:23 PM
Unreal.
Robin is a legend because of what he's done at the beggining of the fifth set :devil:,but this guy is a total mental midget.
He had 2 bp's at 4-4,1 bp at 5-5,in the last game saved 4 mp's and then missed an OVERHEAD,and a BH in his last shot!:haha:
Ridicolous.

Did you guys not see the ball on that overhead you're all whining about? There is no way he could have put it away.

Ridicolous? That a new Harry Potter spell?

GJ Nadal. Too bad he's screwed next round.

Handshake was funny--they barely touched hands. No eye contact at all

rofe
07-04-2007, 01:24 PM
Expected win. Chokerling had to choke and sure enough he did. Lucky Nadal.

Eden
07-04-2007, 01:25 PM
In this context, It just means that Nadal would beat Youzhny, as with a bat. The idiom is occasionally used in baseball when referring to one's ability to make contact with the ball.

Thanks :)

trixtah
07-04-2007, 01:25 PM
Expected win. Chokerling had to choke and sure enough he did. Lucky Nadal.

Yeah, keep making excuses. Saving 5 match points makes him a choker? Whatever.

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 01:26 PM
:rolleyes: Gilbert says that Nadal will "lay wood to Youzsny". Use of sexual euphemism aside, isn't a Gilbert prediction more of a curse?

I don't think it was meant as a sexual euphemism. Brad Gilbert meant it as in "Youzhny will get spanked." Back in the days when they used to spank students in US schools, they'd use wooden paddles. At least that is the way I've always heard that expression used. I remember those paddles well. :angel:

I don't really think this match would have gone on so far if not for the constant rain delays. Robin Soderling isn't really known as someone who wins big matches, and Rafa usually relies a lot on getting into a groove throughout a match. And even with that disrupted Soderling can't beat him. :lol:

l_mac
07-04-2007, 01:28 PM
In a game like this a smash at 40-40 5-6 which is missed is definetly an important point, probably decisive for the match.

Söderling had the game to beat Nadal but not the head and Nadal played great at the end of the set. As a swedish I am still proud of Söderlings fighting spirit to save so many match points and dont show any fear towards Nadal.

I can't be bothered bumping the thread where you assured people Soderling would beat Nadal, so here's a :) for you. I don't agree that Soderling has the game to beat Nadal - Rafa should have won this in 3, but he certainly showed excellent fighting spirit. I'm sure you're looking forward to Nadal's defeat at the hands of Youzhny.

cmurray
07-04-2007, 01:28 PM
whew. That was a nail-biter. No more of that, Rafa. :rolleyes: :lol:

I liked the Rafa that I saw in that last game, though. MUCH better.

bokehlicious
07-04-2007, 01:28 PM
This Nadal is a legend :cool: take the title now, VAMOS ! :rocker2:

World Beater
07-04-2007, 01:34 PM
huh? i dont remember soderling missing the overhead in the 5th set. He missed the following bh. That was a very good lob from rafa.

MisterQ
07-04-2007, 01:36 PM
Good work Nadal. :yeah: :cool:

MCL
07-04-2007, 01:37 PM
Vamos! :D

mashamaniac
07-04-2007, 01:38 PM
Vamos rafa! you finally beat that asshole!

marcRD
07-04-2007, 01:46 PM
I can't be bothered bumping the thread where you assured people Soderling would beat Nadal, so here's a :) for you. I don't agree that Soderling has the game to beat Nadal - Rafa should have won this in 3, but he certainly showed excellent fighting spirit. I'm sure you're looking forward to Nadal's defeat at the hands of Youzhny.

There are many things which SHOULD have happened, Söderling SHOULD have won the 3rd set with an easy smash which he missed before Nadal SHOULD have won in 3 anyway. Söderling SHOULD have played better on all break points he had on all sets. I think both won almost exactly as many points as each other which shows how close this match was.

I am not looking forward o Youzhny beating NAdal, as a tennis fan I am looking forward to see how Nadal handles Yozhny and if he will play the more offensive risky tennis which I know he can play or be happy with Youzhny playing him around hoping for Youzhny to have a bad day.

guga2120
07-04-2007, 01:54 PM
Even with all the stops, which is the only reason it went 5 sets, if Nadal lost to this clown he should have stayed away from Wimbledon for a while.

Byrd
07-04-2007, 01:56 PM
"In the locker room, for other players he's not the best guy," said Nadal, who complained that Soderling had not raised his hand to apologise after a lucky net-cord, asked if he was OK when the Spaniard fell over, or looked at him when shaking hands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6268998.stm

Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.

The Freak
07-04-2007, 01:56 PM
Way to shut the little prick up Rafa. :yeah:

bokehlicious
07-04-2007, 01:58 PM
Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.

*fingers crossed* :angel:

Pixie
07-04-2007, 01:59 PM
huh? i dont remember soderling missing the overhead in the 5th set. He missed the following bh. That was a very good lob from rafa.

Indeed. There was little the Toad could do on that overhead as he was on the wrong foot and the lob was well done. He can regret the following bh though.

oz_boz
07-04-2007, 02:29 PM
Even with all the stops, which is the only reason it went 5 sets, if Nadal lost to this clown he should have stayed away from Wimbledon for a while.

Sounds like someone didn't see the match. :lol:

This "clown" has all game needed to beat Nadal outside clay, the mentality is what is missing in his case. Robin was also on the brink of beating Fed himself in Halle not too long ago, but that has probably escaped you as well.

Props to Robin for hanging tough in the third, and to Nadal for closing it out - keeps that superb 5 set record going. I think he has a fair chance against Misha.

shotgun
07-04-2007, 02:31 PM
Nadal deserved to win, he'd probably win in straights if it weren't for the rain delays.

Söderling's mental weakness is once again exposed, he'll probably crack the top 20 soon enough, but I don't see him going further than that.

And no, just because he lost, doesn't make his mockery of Nadal any less valid. :lol:

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 02:35 PM
"In the locker room, for other players he's not the best guy," said Nadal, who complained that Soderling had not raised his hand to apologise after a lucky net-cord, asked if he was OK when the Spaniard fell over, or looked at him when shaking hands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6268998.stm

Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.


It just KILLS you that he hasn't lost yet, doesn't it. :lol:

Mansave_75
07-04-2007, 02:38 PM
Rafa should have won this match in 3 sets,is definetely the most damnified of all players because this horrible rain stops.
And Soderling is a shameless player who doesn't respect the 2nd seed.
That's simple.

Byrd
07-04-2007, 02:39 PM
It just KILLS you that he hasn't lost yet, doesn't it. :lol:

That obvious is it :p

Kolya
07-04-2007, 02:39 PM
Is Nadal a woman?

He sure complains and whinges a lot about the littlest things.

Blue Heart24
07-04-2007, 02:41 PM
"In the locker room, for other players he's not the best guy," said Nadal, who complained that Soderling had not raised his hand to apologise after a lucky net-cord, asked if he was OK when the Spaniard fell over, or looked at him when shaking hands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6268998.stm

Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.


:rocker2:

Clara Bow
07-04-2007, 02:41 PM
This "clown" has all game needed to beat Nadal outside clay, the mentality is what is missing in his case. Robin was also on the brink of beating Fed himself in Halle not too long ago, but that has probably escaped you as well.

I agree- Robin has the game, just not always the mind. I also happen to think that he is one of the best indoor players in the world and am still wondering how he has not yet managed to win an indoor Masters title yet.

I am glad this match is over and that Rafa won. Since I am a big Misha fan as well- I will be okay with whoever wins the next match.

I get a little kick out of how Rafa is quite sensitive to locker room interactions. Some may find it babyish, I find it kinda funny and cute.

RonE
07-04-2007, 02:42 PM
Rafa should have won this match in 3 sets,is definetely the most damnified of all players because this horrible rain stops.
And Soderling is a shameless player who doesn't respect the 2nd seed.
That's simple.

Oh the tragedy of it all. Soderling doesn't respect Nadal. Booohhhhhooooooooo :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

adee-gee
07-04-2007, 02:44 PM
"In the locker room, for other players he's not the best guy," said Nadal, who complained that Soderling had not raised his hand to apologise after a lucky net-cord, asked if he was OK when the Spaniard fell over, or looked at him when shaking hands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6268998.stm

Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.

Right, so when Nadal speaks his mind he's a tool and a dick. When Federer says considerably worse things about Djokovic he's praised.

Makes sense :hatoff:

bokehlicious
07-04-2007, 02:45 PM
Rafa should have won this match in 3 sets,is definetely the most damnified of all players because this horrible rain stops.
And Soderling is a shameless player who doesn't respect the 2nd seed.
That's simple.

Being #2 doesn't allow you to delay the game, does it ? :shrug: :o

Kolya
07-04-2007, 02:46 PM
Rafa should have won this match in 3 sets,is definetely the most damnified of all players because this horrible rain stops.
And Soderling is a shameless player who doesn't respect the 2nd seed.
That's simple.

If you respect your opponent you will never beat em!!! Especially if the player is ranked a lot higher than you.

Keep that in mind kiddo.

trixtah
07-04-2007, 02:46 PM
"In the locker room, for other players he's not the best guy," said Nadal, who complained that Soderling had not raised his hand to apologise after a lucky net-cord, asked if he was OK when the Spaniard fell over, or looked at him when shaking hands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6268998.stm

Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.

Read and watch the whole thing, son. The whole thing, son. Then watch the ESPN interview, son.

scarecrows
07-04-2007, 02:46 PM
Being #2 doesn't allow you to delay the game, does it ? :shrug: :o

what no. 2? I dont buy this temporary bullshit. The spartan king is the real no. 1

Byrd
07-04-2007, 02:48 PM
Right, so when Nadal speaks his mind he's a tool and a dick. When Federer says considerably worse things about Djokovic he's praised.

Makes sense :hatoff:

Adee you have no argument, Fed was justified in what he said, Djokovic was clearly taking breaks to disrupt Fed and Wawrinkas rhythm in their matches. If Nadal can dish it out, he should expect to take it like a man, and not act like a big pussy in the conference.

Clara Bow
07-04-2007, 02:49 PM
Am I the only one who likes the fact that both players said what they felt during the press conferences? Who is right, who is wrong- I don't care. To me- it is interesting when tennis players lift the veil and say exactly what they think about the other player.

I have liked it when Roger Rafa, Andy, Lleyton, Ljubicic etc. have done it- and have been interested in what Robin and Tomas and others have made their post-match comments. I may not always agree with their comments and think they can be a bit jerky- but at least they are saying what they feel.

You all can complain that Rafa was whining about what happens in the locker room- but I find it interesting.

Voo de Mar
07-04-2007, 02:52 PM
"In the locker room, for other players he's not the best guy," said Nadal, who complained that Soderling had not raised his hand to apologise after a lucky net-cord, asked if he was OK when the Spaniard fell over, or looked at him when shaking hands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/6268998.stm

Nadal can't even be the better man when he wins and shut his mouth, the guys a tool, hopefully youzhny and berdman teach this dick a lesson.


IMO this habit is conformistic and meaningless. In volleyball no-one apologize after a net-cord and everything is ok.

trixtah
07-04-2007, 02:54 PM
IMO this habit is conformistic and meaningless. In volleyball no-one apologize after a net-cord and everything is ok.

Because in volleyball you have a chance to dig it out. A net cord in tennis is killer considering the distance you have to cover to get to the ball. (I play both)

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 02:55 PM
That obvious is it :p

It's hilarious is what it is. It never fails to make me laugh how intense the glee is for Nadal haters when he loses, or the disappointment when he wins. It's stronger than most Nadal fans' happiness for a win or disappointment for a loss, for sure. :lol:

I can guarantee you that should Rafa lose to Youzhny, you'll be a lot happier about it than I will be disappointed. And you gotta admit, that's just kind of hilarious. :)

bokehlicious
07-04-2007, 02:57 PM
It's hilarious is what it is. It never fails to make me laugh how intense the glee is for Nadal haters when he loses,

And of course mature Rafa fans couldn't care less when Roger loses... :rolleyes: :zzz:

Clara Bow
07-04-2007, 03:02 PM
It's hilarious is what it is. It never fails to make me laugh how intense the glee is for Nadal haters when he loses, or the disappointment when he wins. It's stronger than most Nadal fans' happiness for a win or disappointment for a loss, for sure. :lol:

I can guarantee you that should Rafa lose to Youzhny, you'll be a lot happier about it than I will be disappointed. And you gotta admit, that's just kind of hilarious. :)


Hee! Very true. To be fair though there are some Federer/Roddick/other player hatas who do the same thing. It is an interesting phenomenon to me that some folks appear to expend more energy following the players that they dislike and commenting on them instead of actually cheering and commenting on the players they do like.

Bobby
07-04-2007, 03:03 PM
Rafa should have won this match in 3 sets,is definetely the most damnified of all players because this horrible rain stops.
And Soderling is a shameless player who doesn't respect the 2nd seed.
That's simple.

The fact that he is number 2 doesn't give him the right to act like a jerk and delay the game when the opponent is serving. Also, there's no break during the change over in tie break. Nadal doesn't care about the rules when he feels it's time to play with the water bottles. The way Nadal constantly acts when the opponent is serving is something that the classy players would never do.

Nadal is the one who doesn't respect the other players or the rules. Söderling just gave him what he deserved. And if you understand anything about tennis, you understand that this match was never to be over in three sets.

adee-gee
07-04-2007, 03:03 PM
Adee you have no argument, Fed was justified in what he said, Djokovic was clearly taking breaks to disrupt Fed and Wawrinkas rhythm in their matches. If Nadal can dish it out, he should expect to take it like a man, and not act like a big pussy in the conference.
Of course, of course. Silly me :smash:

Federer is justified in everything he says or does. Nadal is just a whining, moonballing, grunting, disrespectful, disgraceful little pig. :worship:
And of course mature Rafa fans couldn't care less when Roger loses... :rolleyes: :zzz:
At least we don't take over every single thread about his match wins :lol:

Byrd
07-04-2007, 03:03 PM
It's hilarious is what it is. It never fails to make me laugh how intense the glee is for Nadal haters when he loses, or the disappointment when he wins. It's stronger than most Nadal fans' happiness for a win or disappointment for a loss, for sure. :lol:

I can guarantee you that should Rafa lose to Youzhny, you'll be a lot happier about it than I will be disappointed. And you gotta admit, that's just kind of hilarious. :)


I personally don't care about his wins or losses, just don't like how he plays and how how his demeanour and style of play actually brings him results on this surface, its a disgrace.

Voo de Mar
07-04-2007, 03:04 PM
Because in volleyball you have a chance to dig it out. A net cord in tennis is killer considering the distance you have to cover to get to the ball. (I play both)

I disagree with you. In tennis you have also a chance to hit the ball after a net cord if you're very speed or you stand on the court in the right place. Net cords in tennis obviously happens more often but in volleyball (after serve) the ball hit sometimes a net cord and everybody are helpless on the other side of the net. It's an ace and no-one apologize.

Byrd
07-04-2007, 03:05 PM
Of course, of course. Silly me :smash:

Federer is justified in everything he says or does. Nadal is just a whining, moonballing, grunting, disrespectful, disgraceful little pig. :worship:

At least we don't take over every single thread about his match wins :lol:

Your getting me mixed up with Glenn

adee-gee
07-04-2007, 03:10 PM
I personally don't care about his wins or losses, just don't like how he plays and how how his demeanour and style of play actually brings him results on this surface, its a disgrace.
Apparently it doesn't bring him results on this surface, he can't play on grass he just got lucky with the draw last year ;)
Your getting me mixed up with Glenn

I'm not talking about you individually....it's pretty clear, if you look at every thread regarding Nadal's wins, losses, behaviour......whatever. You'll see that at least 50% of the posts in the thread are by people who despise him, and usually they're Fedtards :)

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-04-2007, 03:15 PM
Right, so when Nadal speaks his mind he's a tool and a dick. When Federer says considerably worse things about Djokovic he's praised.

Makes sense :hatoff:

Fedtards are idiotic hypocrites.
They have no logic and no thought.

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 03:16 PM
Hee! Very true. To be fair though there are some Federer/Roddick/other player hatas who do the same thing. It is an interesting phenomenon to me that some folks appear to expend more energy following the players that they dislike and commenting on them instead of actually cheering and commenting on the players they do like.

True. It's mind boggling either way, no matter who is doing it. There are players I don't like, and I won't pretend that when I see that they lose it doesn't give me a little bit of black-hearted glee for a moment. But it's just not worth the energy to get so invested in players I don't like. It's exhausting enough for me to support the ones I do like. :lol:

I personally don't care about his wins or losses, just don't like how he plays and how how his demeanour and style of play actually brings him results on this surface, its a disgrace.

Fair enough if you don't like how he plays, but it's not a disgrace that he gets results on grass. It's called being a competitor. Just because you don't like that it happens doesn't make it a disgrace, it just makes it something that pisses you off because you don't like him.

t0x
07-04-2007, 03:17 PM
Wierd match....
Nadal was mentally tougher, and really that's all there was between them! A very, very close match - I though Soderling would mentally 'give up' after losing the first set, he did way better than expected.

All this rain definatley suits Rafa, he's by far the physically and mentally strongest in the bottom half so he has a great shot now.

Bilbo
07-04-2007, 03:18 PM
Rafa :yeah:

cya Soderling you dumbass

Pfloyd
07-04-2007, 03:18 PM
Yeah, I mean this trolling is waaay too excessive.

But hey, they can talk shit out of there left nut, and it still won't change the fact that Rafa beat a good grasscourter and is clearly a more than decent player on this surface.

So, it's all good.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-04-2007, 03:21 PM
Rafa :yeah:

cya Soderling you dumbass

:worship:

Soderling should learn to talk trash once he can back it up. Now be a good quiet little journeyman for the rest of your career Soderling.

Kolya
07-04-2007, 03:22 PM
Soderling's Interview

http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/interviews/2007-07-04/200707041183555324187.html

Deivid23
07-04-2007, 03:23 PM
Shove it up your ass, Söderling :wavey:

Now good luck against Misha, Rafa you´ll badly need it :help:

Kolya
07-04-2007, 03:23 PM
:worship:

Soderling should learn to talk trash once he can back it up. Now be a good quiet little journeyman for the rest of your career Soderling.

Rafa should stop whinging and complaining like an old housewife.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-04-2007, 03:27 PM
Rafa should stop whinging and complaining like an old housewife.

LOL

Hes just pissed at himself because he let some punk journeyman get 2sets off him. Just venting.

He played horrible as Soderling seems like a guy who wont achieve anything and will just become another Lluboho at best. You know you suck when thats your peak.

rafagirlno1
07-04-2007, 03:32 PM
what a great match ,and what a fight back from Rafa ,when i thought it was all over for him he found a way to win :worship:
looks like Glenn's two favorite players just got owned by Rafa on GRASS ,ouch :awww:

Kolya
07-04-2007, 03:32 PM
LOL

Hes just pissed at himself because he let some punk journeyman get 2sets off him. Just venting.

He played horrible as Soderling seems like a guy who wont achieve anything and will just become another Lluboho at best. You know you suck when thats your peak.

:lol:

Soderling is just another player... but Rafa still complains and whinges a lot though about nothing.

Byrd
07-04-2007, 03:39 PM
I'm not talking about you individually....it's pretty clear, if you look at every thread regarding Nadal's wins, losses, behaviour......whatever. You'll see that at least 50% of the posts in the thread are by people who despise him, and usually they're Fedtards :)

Fair enough, but having no criticism in a thread pretty much makes it pointless, you need two sides of the coin, and having one perspective pretty much makes it pointless. You might as well just put in their forum.

RagingLamb
07-04-2007, 03:41 PM
well done nadal. he played some very nice points near the end. onto Youzhny.

Byrd
07-04-2007, 03:41 PM
Fair enough if you don't like how he plays, but it's not a disgrace that he gets results on grass. It's called being a competitor. Just because you don't like that it happens doesn't make it a disgrace, it just makes it something that pisses you off because you don't like him.

If it means playing like a claycourter on surfaces which historically shouldn't be played like that makes him a competitor, then tennis is dead.

connectolove
07-04-2007, 03:44 PM
I think that Rafa takes the manners issue too seriously, he should just focus in the match and that's it instead of getting mad because somebody has not returned a handshake.

Metis
07-04-2007, 03:45 PM
(copying J'torian's style)

Rafa: "Hi Robin! :wavey: "

Robin: :(

Rafa: "Hi! :bigwave:"

Robin: :rolleyes:

Rafa: "Hellooo! :) "

Robin: :mad:

Rafa: "Hi there! :confused: "

Robin: :fiery:

Rafa: " :scratch: Hmmm.... Hola?"

Robin: (WTF? :armed: )

Rafa: :looking in dictionary: "Hej! :cool: "

Robin: :unsure: :help:

Rafa: "Hey, what's up? "

Robin: :timebomb:

Rafa: "HELLO!!!" :shout:


Robin: :banghead: :drink: :bolt:


Rafa: :sad:


(I know Rafa said hi 10 times but I decided to spare you a couple of them :lol: )

Kitty de Sade
07-04-2007, 03:53 PM
"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Metis again." Meh, bite me. :ras: :p

This was really good- J'torian would be proud. :lol:

It was just a crazy match that seemed to take a week to play. Not the greatest example to see, but credit to Rafa for winning it. Good luck to him in the next round. :)

Bart.
07-04-2007, 03:57 PM
Robin :(:(:(

Metis
07-04-2007, 03:59 PM
"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Metis again." Meh, bite me. :ras: :p

This was really good- J'torian would be proud. :lol:


Thanks! J'torian will be pissed off he didn't post it first :ras: :lol:

He is probably busy right now drooling over the Tsonga-Gasquet match (Sandra is umpiring ;))

Voo de Mar
07-04-2007, 04:00 PM
(copying J'torian's style)

Rafa: "Hi Robin! :wavey: "

Robin: :(

Rafa: "Hi! :bigwave:"

Robin: :rolleyes:

Rafa: "Hellooo! :) "


[...]



(I know Rafa said hi 10 times but I decided to spare you a couple of them :lol: )

:) Mentality pepole from Southern Europe is generally different than people who grew up in Scandinavia.

Clara Bow
07-04-2007, 04:03 PM
If it means playing like a claycourter on surfaces which historically shouldn't be played like that makes him a competitor, then tennis is dead.

Might I remind you that last year Rafa came up to net more than Roger did during the course of the tourney. ;)

Rafa is no Tim Henman or frankly Roger- but he can play at net. It's not like he has oven mitts on when he is up there.

adee-gee
07-04-2007, 04:07 PM
If it means playing like a claycourter on surfaces which historically shouldn't be played like that makes him a competitor, then tennis is dead.
Don't blame Rafa, blame Andre ;)

Clara Bow
07-04-2007, 04:08 PM
Don't blame Rafa, blame Andre ;)

Or for that sake- Borg. Borg begat Andre who begat Rafa.

R.Federer
07-04-2007, 04:11 PM
So this match finally ended?

What was the handshake like? Was there one? Did the spectators give a big round of applause?

Metis
07-04-2007, 04:32 PM
:) Mentality pepole from Southern Europe is generally different than people who grew up in Scandinavia.

I know. I have experienced it myself lving in the US and interacting with people from all over the world. Sometimes I come across someone I have met once, I smile and say hi and it seems as if they are deaf and blind. Even the walls are more responsive :lol:. For some people just being introduced once is not enough to acknowledge the other person's greeting. In the beginning I was very puzzled and was trying to figure out what I had done wrong to piss off those people :lol: but now I'm used to it and just think to myself 'whatever :rolleyes:'. I guess I still don't understand it fully.

So far it has never happened to me with people from Southern Europe, Africa, Middle East, South America.

Kalliopeia
07-04-2007, 04:41 PM
So this match finally ended?

What was the handshake like? Was there one? Did the spectators give a big round of applause?

The handshake was funny. It was very brief, more of a touch than a shake, no words were exchanged, and Soderling, after all his talk, didn't even look at Rafa. Turned his head totally away while 'shaking' his hand. As Brad Gilbert said later "if you're going to diss someone, you shake their hand, look them in the eye and say 'not next time' or something." :lol:

Did they applaud? When, when Rafa won? Yes, they did.

tangerine_dream
07-04-2007, 05:13 PM
Vamos Rafa, for finally taking out the trash. You should've done it in three. But a win's a win.

Class stuff from Rafa, he's already forgotten about Soderling and is focusing on his next round. A true professional, this kid. :hatoff:

SBruguera
07-04-2007, 05:16 PM
Unreal.
Robin is a legend because of what he's done at the beggining of the fifth set :devil:,but this guy is a total mental midget.
He had 2 bp's at 4-4,1 bp at 5-5,in the last game saved 4 mp's and then missed an OVERHEAD,and a BH in his last shot!:haha:
Ridicolous.

Sampras is a legend because he won this tournament seven times.

Soderling is a legend because he imitated Nadal and lost the next two games.

It´s so easy to be a legend in this clown-era.

The_Nadal_effect
07-04-2007, 05:27 PM
Sampras is a legend because he won this tournament seven times.

Soderling is a legend because he imitated Nadal and lost the next two games.

It´s so easy to be a legend in this clown-era.

Well said, Sergie-boy! :yeah:

justClaudia
07-04-2007, 05:31 PM
a guy who has the balls to mock the other in his face, and then, after being defeated can't even look him in the eye and shake his hand properly ... and this is a hero, a legend. meh ... says a lot about some people, but mostly about Soderling, the legend.

I wish they both have lost, stupid match and stupid behavior, from both.

ReturnWinner
07-04-2007, 05:35 PM
well said????? he said this is a clown era therefore Nadal=Clown
Well said, Sergie-boy! :yeah:

The_Nadal_effect
07-04-2007, 05:39 PM
well said????? he said this is a clown era therefore Nadal=Clown

You are an infamous troll RW :lol:, we all know!

Wherever you see a loophole :lick:, you steamroll your material through it but I caught you before you did damage. Heehehee.:D

trixtah
07-04-2007, 05:41 PM
If it means playing like a claycourter on surfaces which historically shouldn't be played like that makes him a competitor, then tennis is dead.

You don't have to try and hide that fact that you hate Nadal anymore, it's obvious with this post. Please just completely ignore the fact that he chases down impossible out of reach balls and never gives up--just look at the way he hits the ball and make your decision about him not being a competitor :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Jeez, the way you talk about him makes it seem like he violated you and stretched your asshole way too wide.

So this match finally ended?

What was the handshake like? Was there one? Did the spectators give a big round of applause?

Match ended with Soderling's ball (and dignity) sailing a foot out, Soderling challenging, Nadal already on his way to the net having stripped off his bandana and raising his arms, and a touch at the net with Soderling too scared to look Rafa in the eyes lest he shit himself

sawan66278
07-04-2007, 05:44 PM
Vamos Rafa!!! I really feel this is the type of match that could propel forward...maybe all the way to the final. Why? When you could have easily (should have?) lost a match like this, you feel like you are playing with "house money"...and can play much more loosely. We'll see tomorrow, because it was more a struggle mentally than physically...very likely the MOST DIFFICULT match ever played as far as conditions are concerned.

As far as complaining, I think Rafa was really taken aback by the shorts incident and the holding up of the hands (particularly among the Spanish players) is seen as the honorably thing to do. For Rafa (regardless of his "turtle time" tactics), this was a breach of etiquette. If you notice, when it comes to controlling match play (the pace, etc.), Rafa never complains. I have NEVER heard him once complain about Novak and his bouncing the ball, etc. Rafa understands that these tactics are part of the game. Mocking imitation and perceived lack of honor...too much.

But let's remember: who wouldn't be testy during and after a ridiculous match like this. Look at Lleyton's reaction after defeating Canas (he brought out the lawnmower)...and Novak, so mentally drained, he didn't even cheer or raise his fist. Wimbledon organizers should be ashamed of themselves for what they put ALL these competitors through. But I guess they're too busy hocking their tacky Wimbledon line of clothing and eating strawberries and cream:rolleyes:

RedFury
07-04-2007, 05:59 PM
If it means playing like a claycourter on surfaces which historically shouldn't be played like that makes him a competitor, then tennis is dead.

Yo, dipshit, ever hear of Bjorn Borg? His baseline game -- which he never changed -- won him six FOs AND five Wimbledons. Note as well, that Fed himself is far from a classical serve & volley player.

So what's this "historical" bull-crap you speak of?

RedFury
07-04-2007, 06:02 PM
But let's remember: who wouldn't be testy during and after a ridiculous match like this. Look at Lleyton's reaction after defeating Canas (he brought out the lawnmower)...and Novak, so mentally drained, he didn't even cheer or raise his fist. Wimbledon organizers should be ashamed of themselves for what they put ALL these competitors through. But I guess they're too busy hocking their tacky Wimbledon line of clothing and eating strawberries and cream:rolleyes:

And a secular "amen" to that. Well said! Shame on the so-called "organizers."

cmurray
07-04-2007, 06:03 PM
Yo, dipshit, ever hear of Bjorn Borg? His baseline game -- which he never changed -- won him six FOs AND five Wimbledons. Note as well, that Fed himself is far from a classical serve & volley player.

So what's this "historical" bull-crap you speak of?

I guess Sampras=sum total of all tennis history. :shrug:

Jogy
07-04-2007, 06:19 PM
hahaahah :haha:
very great that Nadal sended this little assprick back home to Sweden

Soderling = all serve but not more
Soderling = indoor idiot at purest :retard:
Soderling = no guts when close score


byebye Toady! :wavey: :wavey:

ChinoRios4Ever
07-04-2007, 07:47 PM
Rafa :woohoo:

Marek.
07-04-2007, 08:59 PM
They said on TV this match took 95 hours to complete. Has any other match took that long to finish?

stebs
07-04-2007, 09:13 PM
Well done Nadal for finishing the job and well done to Robin for putting up such a fight.

musefanatic
07-04-2007, 11:07 PM
Ah well done Rafa but i wanted Soderling to win :sad: Ah well, he showed what a great player he is :) Don't know how far Rafa will get after this though.

Byrd
07-04-2007, 11:55 PM
Might I remind you that last year Rafa came up to net more than Roger did during the course of the tourney. ;)

Rafa is no Tim Henman or frankly Roger- but he can play at net. It's not like he has oven mitts on when he is up there.

Oh god, please stop.......:lol:

Byrd
07-04-2007, 11:59 PM
Yo, dipshit, ever hear of Bjorn Borg? His baseline game -- which he never changed -- won him six FOs AND five Wimbledons. Note as well, that Fed himself is far from a classical serve & volley player.

So what's this "historical" bull-crap you speak of?

Feds nothing to do with this, and Borgs game is totally different to Nadals, with the court being different to present times. Historical pretty much speaks for itself, fast surface, no moonballing, no topspin.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 12:01 AM
Yo, dipshit, ever hear of Bjorn Borg? His baseline game -- which he never changed -- won him six FOs AND five Wimbledons. Note as well, that Fed himself is far from a classical serve & volley player.

So what's this "historical" bull-crap you speak of?

This is not true. Borg used to serve and volley at Wimbledon all the time and lots of 1st serve points. This is why he's so great....he would moonball at Roland Garros and then serve + volley at Wimby.

RedFury
07-05-2007, 12:02 AM
I think that Rafa takes the manners issue too seriously, he should just focus in the match and that's it instead of getting mad because somebody has not returned a handshake.

Weill brought-up kid. Ever hear of "tennis etiquette"? Rather obvious Soderling hasn't.

star
07-05-2007, 12:21 AM
I like both these guys, and I think that maybe neither has acted as they might have in other circumstances. But, nobody died or even got hit or spit on, so it's not a big deal for either. They'll both go on just fine. They haven't been friends in the past and it doesn't look like they will be.

:bigclap: Rafa

:hug: Robin :hug:

RedFury
07-05-2007, 12:27 AM
Feds nothing to do with this,

Really? Why? Becuase you said so and it backpedals from your last garba, er..post? :rolleyes:

... and Borgs game is totally different to Nadals, with the court being different to present times. Historical pretty much speaks for itself, fast surface, no moonballing, no topspin.

Meanwhile you posed no disclaimer to this decorated turd of a post you made before:

If it means playing like a claycourter on surfaces which historically shouldn't be played like that makes him a competitor, then tennis is dead

Oh, really? If "Federer "doesn't count" than who in the hell is keeping grass tennis alive? You do, realize, don't you, how utterly nonsensical you come off as? For your sake, I truly hope so.

---

This is not true. Borg used to serve and volley at Wimbledon all the time and on almost all the 1st serve points. This is why he's so great....he would moonball at Roland Garros and then serve + volley at Wimbly.

I don't know how old you are, but I happen to be FIFTY, and have a clear memory of tennis going back to the early seventies/late sixties. And are you seriously trying to tell me that Bjorg (other than somewhat flattening his strokes, such as Nadal's trying to do) played any different (overall, as he certainly might have had some off-form matches) wasn't an overwhelmingly baseline player throughout his whole (short and amazing) career? Methinks you need to rent a lot of VHS tennis -- surely in DVD now. 'cause you certainly appear clueless or parroting some really crappy article.

Easier yet, e-mail Johnny Mac, your "theories." Trust your butt is not overly tender...because he'll rip you a new one if it is.


Cheers.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 12:35 AM
Really? Why? Becuase you said so and it backpedals from your last garba, er..post? :rolleyes:



Meanwhile you posed no disclaimer to this decorated turd of a post you made before:



Oh, really? If "Federer "doesn't count" than who in the hell is keeping grass tennis alive? You do, realize, don't you, how utterly nonsensical you come off as? For your sake, I truly hope so.

---



I don't know how old you are, but I happen to be FIFTY, and have a clear memory of tennis going back to the early seventies/late sixties. And are you seriously trying to tell me that Bjorg (other than somewhat flattening his strokes, such as Nadal's trying to do) played any different (overall, as he certainly might have had some off-form matches) wasn't an overwhelmingly baseline player throughout his whole (short and amazing) career? Methinks you need to rent a lot of VHS tennis -- surely in DVD now. 'cause you certainly appear clueless or parroting some really crappy article.

Easier yet, e-mail Johnny Mac, your "theories." Trust your butt is not overly tender...because he'll rip you a new one if it is.


Cheers.

You seem to have a lot of rage. I was simply stating that Borg played differently on grass than he did on clay. He served and volleyed a lot, came into a net a lot more which is why he is so great. He was able to play in many different ways. Was he overwhelmingly a baseline player? Of course. But you know or I think you know that with wooden racquets, you had to come in to net to finish points off.

My comment is independent of your ongoing discussion with others.

star
07-05-2007, 12:48 AM
You seem to have a lot of rage. I was simply stating that Borg played differently on grass than he did on clay. He served and volleyed a lot, came into a net a lot more which is why he is so great. He was able to play in many different ways. Was he overwhelmingly a baseline player? Of course. But you know or I think you know that with wooden racquets, you had to come in to net to finish points off.

My comment is independent of your ongoing discussion with others.

Also the courts were different then too. I'm sure Borg would have been happy with the current grass courts. People should watch some of those old matches. You can download them on iTunes. That fourth set tiebreak and fifth set with JMac in 1980 was a thing of beauty. It was just winner after winner from both guys.

Even though looking at it from today's perspective, Borg came in a lot more than guys (including Federer) do now, he was still deadly on the passing shots when someone came in on him. And he did use a lot of topspin on the grass. I rememember the commentators just begging his opponents to come into the net and put them away. Nadal and Borg do remind me of each other in many ways even though they are temperamentally different. There was a determination and mental strength in the face of adversity. Borg didn't just coast through his Wimbledon championships.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 01:08 AM
Also the courts were different then too. I'm sure Borg would have been happy with the current grass courts. People should watch some of those old matches. You can download them on iTunes. That fourth set tiebreak and fifth set with JMac in 1980 was a thing of beauty. It was just winner after winner from both guys.

Even though looking at it from today's perspective, Borg came in a lot more than guys (including Federer) do now, he was still deadly on the passing shots when someone came in on him. And he did use a lot of topspin on the grass. I rememember the commentators just begging his opponents to come into the net and put them away. Nadal and Borg do remind me of each other in many ways even though they are temperamentally different. There was a determination and mental strength in the face of adversity. Borg didn't just coast through his Wimbledon championships.


The courts were indeed different. The ball didn't sit up like does now so usually the player with the first really good groundsroke who came to net won most of the points. If the players had the racquets of today with those courts, there simply couldn't be a rally of more than a few strokes. One FH would end it.

Borg did have to work a lot harder at Wimby than at RG. Even then, he managed to win one Wimby without dropping a set.

Merton
07-05-2007, 01:16 AM
Nadal was clutch when it mattered, as expected. Soderling had chances to take an earlier break in the 5th but could not take them.

star
07-05-2007, 01:18 AM
The courts were indeed different. The ball didn't sit up like does now so usually the player with the first really good groundsroke who came to net won most of the points. If the players had the racquets of today with those courts, there simply couldn't be a rally of more than a few strokes. One FH would end it.

Borg did have to work a lot harder at Wimby than at RG. Even then, he managed to win one Wimby without dropping a set.

I think it was work of a different kind. Borg put in a lot of miles during RG too. The clay was slower at RG then than it is now. Funny how RG is quicker and Wimby slower. :) Those old clay court matches went on and on. Wilander's first win comes to mind.

The contrast between the seasons was nice. Some of those great Becker/Edberg finals were magnificent. To me, the snooze fest at Wimbledon began during Sampras's era. But Rafter was always fun.

Merton
07-05-2007, 01:19 AM
You seem to have a lot of rage. I was simply stating that Borg played differently on grass than he did on clay. He served and volleyed a lot, came into a net a lot more which is why he is so great. He was able to play in many different ways. Was he overwhelmingly a baseline player? Of course. But you know or I think you know that with wooden racquets, you had to come in to net to finish points off.

My comment is independent of your ongoing discussion with others.

Spot on, it is often overlooked that Borg was excellent at the net, perhaps because he looked mediocre next to JMac who was otherworldly. Even on clay, Borg would often approach the net to finish off points.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 01:40 AM
Spot on, it is often overlooked that Borg was excellent at the net, perhaps because he looked mediocre next to JMac who was otherworldly. Even on clay, Borg would often approach the net to finish off points.

Indeed. One had to with the racquet technology at hand. People remember Wilander as a baseliner/moonballer and although he did plenty of that, he was a very good volleyer. His inside-out BH volley was clutch.

RedFury
07-05-2007, 01:46 AM
Spot on, it is often overlooked that Borg was excellent at the net, perhaps because he looked mediocre next to JMac who was otherworldly. Even on clay, Borg would often approach the net to finish off points.

Since it is not my claim, it's not my homework either. Cite for the number of times Borg S&V in W finals.

As someone mentioned upthread, Nadal came to net more than Fed in their final. Contrast and compare those stats vs Mac and Borg. Dollars to doughnuts it was Mac at net most of the time...and he still lost most of their matches.

Bottom line, there's no such thing as classic 'classic' tennis that wins any given tourney, but rather the desire for said win. Styles notwithstanding, a Grand Slam usually comes down on the player who wants it more. Which is a direct result of what happens when you face two players of almost equal ability.



And no, I am not enraged at all. This is tennis we're speaking of. Hardly a life or death situation...been there, lost and won with both myself and family members...simply apples and oranges.

This is simply fun with whatever passion I might have left.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 01:51 AM
Since it is not my claim, it's not my homework either. Cite for the number of times Borg S&V in W finals.

As someone mentioned upthread, Nadal came to net more than Fed in their final. Contrast and compare those stats vs Mac and Borg. Dollars to doughnuts it was Mac at net most of the time...and he still lost most of their matches.

Bottom line, there's no such thing as classic 'classic' tennis that wins any given tourney, but rather the desire for said win. Styles notwithstanding, a Grand Slam usually comes down on the player who wants it more. Which is a direct result of what happens when you face two platers of equal ability.

And no, I am not enraged at all. This is tennis we're speaking of. Hardly a life or death situation...been there, lost and won with both myself and family members...simply apples and oranges.

This is simply fun with whatever passion I might have left.

Borg did it too many times to count. It's not like he did it 3 times per match. As for McEnroe losing "most of the matches", they played twice on grass with each of them winning one.

I wasn't involved with the other parts of this discussion so I won't comment now.

RedFury
07-05-2007, 02:11 AM
Borg did it too many times to count. It's not like he did it 3 times per match. As for McEnroe losing "most of the matches", they played twice on grass with each of them winning one.

I wasn't involved with the other parts of this discussion so I won't comment now.

Hardly what I'd consider a factual answer ("Borg did it too many times to count"? WTH?). Stats are there if you want the homework to back your claims.. Now if you'd also be so kind as to tell us how many times they met on clay? And if none (hint) what do you you think would have happened to their overall 7-7 tie. Never mind Borg's early burn-out in his prime and Mac playing for almost a decade longer...

Lastly, you know what's rather ironic? I was a hard-core Mac fan. Yet, at my late age, I can rather easily figure out who was the real phenom between the two.

Cheers.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 02:20 AM
Hardly what I'd consider a factual answer ("Borg did it too many times to count"? WTH?). Stats are there if you want the homework to back your claims.. Now if you'd also be so kind as to tell us how many times they met on clay? And if none (hint) what do you you think would have happened to their overall 7-7 tie. Never mind Borg's early burn-out in his prime and Mac playing for almost a decade longer...

Lastly, you know what's rather ironic? I was a hard-core Mac fan. Yet, at my late age, I can rather easily figure out who was the real phenom between the two.

Cheers.

The stats are NOT there unless you watch the match on tape which I don't have access to. Go ahead and watch them and you will see that Borg did plenty of S + V and approached the net after a slice many times.

I know how many times they met on clay. You said Borg won most of the matches anyway which was incorrect and I corrected you there as well. I did not talk about who was better, what you need to win slams, which styles win slams or anything else. I have only stated that Borg S & V'ed at Wimbledon and then corrected you about how often Mac beat Borg. I have ignored all of your insults so far because I believe in being respectful to old people.

sykotique
07-05-2007, 02:35 AM
The stats are NOT there unless you watch the match on tape which I don't have access to. Go ahead and watch them and you will see that Borg did plenty of S + V and approached the net after a slice many times.

I know how many times they met on clay. You said Borg won most of the matches anyway which was incorrect and I corrected you there as well. I did not talk about who was better, what you need to win slams, which styles win slams or anything else. I have only stated that Borg S & V'ed at Wimbledon and then corrected you about how often Mac beat Borg. I have ignored all of your insults so far because I believe in being respectful to old people.

I absolutely hate using smilies, but never was one more merited than now.

NYCtennisfan
07-05-2007, 02:37 AM
I absolutely hate using smilies, but never was one more merited than now.

;)

Snowwy
07-05-2007, 03:01 AM
This match has given me a new found respect for Soderling, I love this guy.

RedFury
07-05-2007, 03:32 AM
Borg did it too many times to count. It's not like he did it 3 times per match. As for McEnroe losing "most of the matches", they played twice on grass with each of them winning one.

I wasn't involved with the other parts of this discussion so I won't comment now.

Fair enough. I'll just note that thought his career, he was always considered a baseliner who improved his S&V skills along the way --- but again, his legacy as a player (beyond his GS's) was his ability to dominate play from back-court -- something he did throughout his whole, self-shortened, career. In other words, baseline Borg = Borg at his unbeatable self. Sure, hios S&V skills improved obver time, and although he was nvere in the same caliber as a Johnny Mac in that respect, he had 'more' overall game that Johnny did. BTW, this isn't something I simply learned by watching the two --although living through the era, gives you a certain advantage over those that have just watched videos or read articles from that times.

Anyway, I enjoyed iuo exchange and look forward to more of it in the near future. For the time being, while admitting Federer is not only a proven commodity, but rather easily the world's best. I think Nadal's shadow (baring serious injury of course) looms rather large. And if tennis remains in its usual progression, the natural heir to the great Swissman., is none other tan Rafa. Of course, no sorcerer I, I could very well be wrong. But seeing what I have I've seen over the past three tears, I find that rather doubtful.

wenty
07-05-2007, 04:06 AM
Nice work Rafa :rocker2:

fenomeno2111
07-05-2007, 04:54 AM
Vamos Rafa...

shotgun
05-31-2009, 05:35 PM
Sweet revenge, at last. :)

sLayer
05-31-2009, 05:37 PM
sorry my mistake!

BodyServe
05-31-2009, 05:47 PM
Sweet revenge, at last. :)

:worship:

prima donna
05-31-2009, 05:50 PM
Oh, really now ?

Byrd
05-31-2009, 06:15 PM
:lol: epic bump

Sapeod
05-31-2009, 06:17 PM
Nadal had this loss coming to him.

tennishero
05-31-2009, 07:09 PM
unbelievable

Burrow
05-31-2009, 07:16 PM
:haha: Nadal...