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Sampras says: I have a hard time watching how these guys play today

nobama
07-03-2007, 12:28 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/2007/07/03/fed-will-be-too-wicked-for-rafa-89520-19396420/

Pete Sampras, the man whose total of seven Wimbledon singles titles Federer is chasing, said he was amazed none of his rivals pressured him more.

"I have a hard time watching how these guys play today," Sampras said.

"It's just amazing that everyone stays back and hits with so much spin. When you put spin on the ball on grass, it doesn't really do anything.

Slice does, top-spin doesn't.

"I was watching Igor Andreev playing James Blake in the first round and Andreev hits that big topspin backhand and it just sits up there, waiting to be hit.

"Granted, the guy is a claycourt player who isn't real comfortable on grass. But still ... the bottom line is that nobody comes with heat and can back it up. There's no Richard Krajicek around to really attack you and take your time away. That's the key to winning with the serve-and-volley game - deny the other guy his time.

"Roger Federer can win without doing it because he has so much game and such good hands."

Rogiman
07-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Sampras is probably right, baseliners are ruining the game.

Lou_Lou_Ferrero
07-03-2007, 12:43 PM
There's no Richard Krajicek around to really attack you and take your time away.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Beforehand
07-03-2007, 12:44 PM
I like how he's saying the grass doesn't take spin, though. I'm sure Nadal's going to be really shocked to find that out.

the answer
07-03-2007, 12:45 PM
There is a lot of truth in that statement. I just don't understand why they decided to slow the grass. Now you got grass clowns like Nadal, Canas, Fererro going far in Wimbledon. Granted that the players return better than during the sampras era, but I'm quite baffled to see players staying cowardly back when they have the opportunity to finish the point faster by coming to the net.

nanoman
07-03-2007, 12:45 PM
And we had a hard time watching him play, it's only fair.

Deivid23
07-03-2007, 12:45 PM
:lol: You should get out some time from Fed forum, dear, this was already posted a few days ago, thanks for the old news anyway :hug:

Cervantes
07-03-2007, 12:47 PM
It's easy to see Sampras doesn't play anymore. With the slower grass it's not worth putting as much risk in your game, cause the other guy has enough time anyway. He's already sounding a lot like the John McEnroe of 3-4 years ago who also said guys needed to come in more and about how Henman needed to serve and volley. These days he's more realistic about it cause he sees how much the game has changed and you can't go running into the net at will.

I guess it just takes time for them to realize their style has passed and how the games evolves. I'm sure if Pete was playing today, he wouldn't be coming in on his second serve cause he'd simply get passed all the time.

nobama
07-03-2007, 12:49 PM
Sampras is probably right, baseliners are ruining the game.
I'm no fan of the serve fests or the days when points were over with just a couple shots but it's a shame the way juniors are being taught today. Basically hit the ball hard and if that doesn't work hit it harder. You know they're not being taught how to S&V.

Castafiore
07-03-2007, 12:50 PM
Where's that fiddle emoticon when you need it?

nobama
07-03-2007, 12:53 PM
:lol: You should get out some time from Fed forum, dear, this was already posted a few days ago, thanks for the old news anyway :hug:Hmm...the date on *this* article is 7/3 so it couldn't have been posted days ago. :p

Deivid23
07-03-2007, 12:55 PM
Hmm...the date on *this* article is 7/3 so it couldn't have been posted days ago. :p

Have you thought the author of the article might be as late as you?

Deivid23
07-03-2007, 12:58 PM
Btw I think this quote appeared in The Times last month so, it´s a bit of old news if u ask me

frenchie
07-03-2007, 01:00 PM
I had a hard time watching Sampras' backhand!

RonE
07-03-2007, 01:02 PM
Where's that fiddle emoticon when you need it?

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/violin.gif

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-03-2007, 01:04 PM
Mr boring cant see the game being played the right way.

Just serve some aces Samprass that'll make tennis fun :rolleyes:

Kolya
07-03-2007, 01:05 PM
Sampras is right...

Grass is a baseline game now.

Dina
07-03-2007, 01:05 PM
go back to playing celebrity golf pro-ams Pete

Castafiore
07-03-2007, 01:06 PM
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/violin.gif
:lol:

Thank you.;)

thesupreme
07-03-2007, 02:46 PM
seconded. maybe its a little shortsighted to discard the opinion of the best tennis player of all time but believe me, theres something wrong when clay courters are doing this well...

and all those who say S & V is boring have no idea what their on about. Its a difference of style, another specialist art to be mastered that was particular to this surface for a reason. Its certainly not the monotony of hard hitting topspinning baseliners that everyone is heading towards. Give me a Edberg vs MacEnroe match over ANYONE at Wimby these days, such is the cloning thats going on...

RagingLamb
07-03-2007, 02:49 PM
he's right. it used to be a unique major. now you don't have to make major adjustments, or be a grass court specialist to do well on it.

angiel
07-03-2007, 10:43 PM
he's right. it used to be a unique major. now you don't have to make major adjustments, or be a grass court specialist to do well on it.



I agrees, wimbledon is not wimbledon at all.:sad: :sad: :sad:

kobulingam
07-03-2007, 10:47 PM
Sampras needs to shut his trap. He comes of sounding so jealous (to me, that is).

I don't think he should be talking about ANYONE's backhand, ... ever.

scoobs
07-03-2007, 10:49 PM
People who think that Wimbledon isn't Wimbledon just because more players no longer have ace contests and no longer serve-volley every first serve, are deluded.

Wimbledon was Wimbledon back in the 20s and 30s when they didn't used to serve-volley like they did later and it's still Wimbledon now that they don't do so again. Tennis playing styles come and go, they can be quite cyclical, but the tournament is bigger than that, as are all the slams. It's like saying the US Open is no longer the US Open because it's no longer played on grass, or even HarTru.

Things change, roll with the punches.

ys
07-03-2007, 10:49 PM
There is a lot of truth in that statement. I just don't understand why they decided to slow the grass. Now you got grass clowns like Nadal, Canas, Fererro going far in Wimbledon.

Canas was making it just as far at W as he did now in times when Sampras was still around..

switz
07-03-2007, 11:12 PM
I had a hard time watching Sampras on clay :o

I also had a hard time watching him serve his way to 7 Wimbledon titles :o

RagingLamb
07-03-2007, 11:25 PM
I had a hard time watching Sampras on clay :o

I also had a hard time watching him serve his way to 7 Wimbledon titles :o

that's a very cliched misconception of Sampras.

RagingLamb
07-03-2007, 11:26 PM
Sampras needs to shut his trap. He comes of sounding so jealous (to me, that is).

I don't think he should be talking about ANYONE's backhand, ... ever.

jealous of what?

gillian
07-03-2007, 11:26 PM
I like how he's saying the grass doesn't take spin, though. I'm sure Nadal's going to be really shocked to find that out.

:rolls:

njnetswill
07-03-2007, 11:28 PM
I personally am glad we don't have a whole crop of Sampras-lites who crash Wimbledon every year. :p

I am sorry that baseliners cause Pete SO much pain. Poor guy, someone send him some antidepressants.

switz
07-03-2007, 11:30 PM
that's a very cliched misconception of Sampras.

i'm not suggesting that there was not more to Sampras' than his serve but the only time it let him down he got done by Krajicek and Bastl. Certainly the only reason he beat Rafter was his serve.

ReturnWinner
07-03-2007, 11:32 PM
canas made the fourth round 2001 by defeating Kafelnikov...
Canas was making it just as far at W as he did now in times when Sampras was still around..

RagingLamb
07-03-2007, 11:37 PM
i'm not suggesting that there was not more to Sampras' than his serve but the only time it let him down he got done by Krajicek and Bastl. Certainly the only reason he beat Rafter was his serve.

I don't know about Krajiceck, but I don't think by the time he played Bastl he was the same Sampras he used to be. I have the rafter match, I think he did more than just serve (didn't he have a hamstring or thigh injury?), maybe I'll watch that match again.

but anyhow, by misconception I meant that there was nothing more to his game than his serve, which I think really isn't true.

goldenlox
07-03-2007, 11:44 PM
Someone should give Sampras a tape of Davydenko-Monfils so Pete can see how grasscourt tennis is played in 2007.

wcr
07-03-2007, 11:46 PM
I'm no fan of the serve fests or the days when points were over with just a couple shots but it's a shame the way juniors are being taught today. Basically hit the ball hard and if that doesn't work hit it harder. You know they're not being taught how to S&V.

Where are you watching juniors play? There were more kids getting into the net with all court games than I've seen in a long time at the recent boys 18 sectionals in Northern California. None of these kids will ever be pro but there's a lot more variety and all court game going on out there than there was 5 years ago. I'm sure the #1 player in the world has a little to do with that.

The US should be dominating the sport with the available genetic pool but that's only part of the solution. If coaches aren't qualified to teach an all court game, you aren't going to see it in the juniors. Maybe American coaches are starting to feel the pain that their goods aren't good enough anymore. This is fine. The Europeans have stepped it up and the Americans will learn from it.

I was pleased to see how many kids are hitting one-handed BHs these day, at least on the boys side. The girls are still using two hands for the most part.

CyBorg
07-03-2007, 11:50 PM
Sampras is right in the sense that no one like Krajicek and Rafter is floating around right now. We're not seeing these pure finesse types who can take out anyone on a given day.

Djokovic definitely has the talent but his inexperience is showing right now. Baghdatis is certainly a natural but his history has been spotty.

wcr
07-03-2007, 11:50 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/2007/07/03/fed-will-be-too-wicked-for-rafa-89520-19396420/


Quote:
Pete Sampras, the man whose total of seven Wimbledon singles titles Federer is chasing, said he was amazed none of his rivals pressured him more.

"I have a hard time watching how these guys play today," Sampras said.

"It's just amazing that everyone stays back and hits with so much spin. When you put spin on the ball on grass, it doesn't really do anything.

Slice does, top-spin doesn't.

"I was watching Igor Andreev playing James Blake in the first round and Andreev hits that big topspin backhand and it just sits up there, waiting to be hit.

"Granted, the guy is a claycourt player who isn't real comfortable on grass. But still ... the bottom line is that nobody comes with heat and can back it up. There's no Richard Krajicek around to really attack you and take your time away. That's the key to winning with the serve-and-volley game - deny the other guy his time.

"Roger Federer can win without doing it because he has so much game and such good hands."
Ho hum. They all say the same thing ... Sampras, McEnroe 1 and McEnroe 2 and so on and so forth, yadda yadda yadda. If it were as easy as Pete's says, they'd all do it.

thrust
07-03-2007, 11:52 PM
Anyone who watched the Sampras-Agassi highlights during breaks at the USO last year would see that Pete^s game was much more than just a serve. True, he could serve and volley, but he also has excellent ground strokes even against Agassi. Perhaps it is more difficult to serve and volley today, but the men should try coming to the net more often. Moya did quite well at the net against Henman.this year.

switz
07-03-2007, 11:53 PM
but anyhow, by misconception I meant that there was nothing more to his game than his serve, which I think really isn't true.

well i never said there was nothing more to his game than his serve - of course there was a lot more. It's my opinion though that at Wimbledon it was his first and particularly his second serve that made him essentially unbeatable for so many years. Whenever a player would get an opportunity the serve never let him down. Whereas on hard courts i think he really needed to rely more heavily on the other strength his game.

wcr
07-03-2007, 11:54 PM
Sampras is right in the sense that no one like Krajicek and Rafter is floating around right now. We're not seeing these pure finesse types who can take out anyone on a given day.

Djokovic definitely has the talent but his inexperience is showing right now. Baghdatis is certainly a natural but his history has been spotty.

Djokovic is a kid. Time's on his side.

Yeah Goran could take anyone out on any given day but when it really mattered, he'd folk like a cheap suit.

Safin's as dangerous as any of the giant killers during the Reign of Pete Sampras. Safin's problem is that he hired the same people who managed Goran and he doesn't respect his own talent enough to work harder.

Geniey2g
07-03-2007, 11:59 PM
Sampras needs to shut his trap. He comes of sounding so jealous (to me, that is).

I don't think he should be talking about ANYONE's backhand, ... ever.
I wish he'd just make his comeback or shut up; he's itching to come back to the tour. Real talk.

ReturnWinner
07-04-2007, 12:00 AM
some examples from recent years which Sampras won wimbledon :

I could post a tons of more examples
in 1999 wimbledon :
Guga reached the quarters ,that same year veteran

spanish "Pato" Clavet made the third round by defeating Thomas

Johansson who has a good grass record -a semis in wimbledon-

claycourter journeyman Galo Blanco made the second round by defeating fast court specialist and serve-volley player Takao Suzuki

Beto Martin reached the third round by defeating Big server Younes El Aynaoui in second round and then losing to Agassi -former wimbledon winner and former runner up- and beto MARTIN won a set against agassi 62 :haha:

Mantilla beat American fast court specialist Vincent Spadea to make the second round


in 1998: Grass court god Felix "The Cat" Mantilla reachs the third round hehehe

Micheal chang struggles in first round agaisnt the great legend Juan Viloca from spain and finally wins in fifth sets 64 63 36 26 62

Pato Clavet this time reachs the fourth round by defeating again Thomas JOHANSSon :haha:
Moya beats net master bUPATHI on surface which the indian dominates very well



in 2000

Albert Portas made the third round by defeating experienced grass court players spadea and tomas zib -who beat fourt times wimbledon semifinalist Tim henman in queens once -

in 1997

Frana from Argentina made the second round by defeating net master Martin Damn a very good doubles player

journeyman spanish Benfele-Alvarez??????? made the s econd round by beating powerful server Keneth Karlsen

Argentine Journeyman Marcelo Charpentier won a set against runner up Cedrine Pioline in the first round :lol:





There is a lot of truth in that statement. I just don't understand why they decided to slow the grass. Now you got grass clowns like Nadal, Canas, Fererro going far in Wimbledon. Granted that the players return better than during the sampras era, but I'm quite baffled to see players staying cowardly back when they have the opportunity to finish the point faster by coming to the net.

CyBorg
07-04-2007, 12:01 AM
Djokovic is a kid. Time's on his side.

Yeah Goran could take anyone out on any given day but when it really mattered, he'd folk like a cheap suit.

Safin's as dangerous as any of the giant killers during the Reign of Pete Sampras. Safin's problem is that he hired the same people who managed Goran and he doesn't respect his own talent enough to work harder.

Safin isn't dangerous on grass. Not anymore at least.

WF4EVER
07-04-2007, 01:17 AM
I was watching some finals of 12-year-olds (boys and girls) on TTC over the weekend and there was a whole lot of baselining going on. I mean, at one point I was thinking these kids have a lot of endurance because they played lots of long rallies and they seldom moved in. And don't talk about the moonballing.

If this is how they are being taught then it's not likely that much will change. I personally do not believe an exclusive s&v game can work nowadays but versatility can.

nobama
07-04-2007, 02:35 AM
I was watching some finals of 12-year-olds (boys and girls) on TTC over the weekend and there was a whole lot of baselining going on. I mean, at one point I was thinking these kids have a lot of endurance because they played lots of long rallies and they seldom moved in. And don't talk about the moonballing.

If this is how they are being taught then it's not likely that much will change. I personally do not believe an exclusive s&v game can work nowadays but versatility can.
I just recently watched the Smith/Nastase '72 final and wow, what a match. I'm not a huge S&V fan but this was so much more fun to watch than endless pounding from the baseline. Sometimes makes one miss the wooden racquets.

Scotso
07-04-2007, 02:48 AM
There is a lot of truth in that statement. I just don't understand why they decided to slow the grass. Now you got grass clowns like Nadal, Canas, Fererro going far in Wimbledon. Granted that the players return better than during the sampras era, but I'm quite baffled to see players staying cowardly back when they have the opportunity to finish the point faster by coming to the net.

In the little they showed of Ferrero this week, he came to net a lot. You speak as though these players never come in.

The best "claycourters" know how to finish points at net, even on clay they do that.

World Beater
07-04-2007, 04:40 AM
In the little they showed of Ferrero this week, he came to net a lot. You speak as though these players never come in.

The best "claycourters" know how to finish points at net, even on clay they do that.

more than anything ferrero has been serving great and hitting the next shot big, and really taking the initiative on points. I havent seen him play like that since he beat agassi at usopen. I hope he continues this new surge of confidence. Tennis badly needs some of the older guys like ferrero to be more consistent and make the second week interesting. It really does become a bit of a snooze fest when i see federer and nadal playing at half speed and still beating opponents.

Kuhne
07-04-2007, 08:09 AM
the rason clay courters are doing better in wimbledon is not because this "so called slow" grass, grass is basicaly the same, the reason is now everybody plays from the baseline like sampras says! Sampras in his prime would completly **** Nadal with serve and volleys. crap, Roddick would straight set nadal on grass.

thesupreme
07-04-2007, 08:39 AM
I had a hard time watching Sampras on clay :o

I also had a hard time watching him serve his way to 7 Wimbledon titles :o

Thats wrong on so many levels, did you actually watch him play?

I give it another couple of years and then people will se that Sampras is actually right...

Funny thing is though, Sampras S & V versus Nadal baseline at Wimby would be a non event, he would wipe the floor with Nadal in straight sets with even less emotion than he normally shows....lol

seven
07-04-2007, 09:29 AM
I prefer baseline tennis over s/v, which I think is boring, but the way the players are playing at the moment annoys me too.
All these sloppy top spin rallyes are awful.
I mean, a couple of years ago, it was all about power tennis from the baseline, it was just amazing, but today, you see players play high looping top spins on grass:rolleyes: ,
I just miss those powerful, precise baseline rallyes:awww:

Scotso
07-04-2007, 01:22 PM
the reason is now everybody plays from the baseline like sampras says! Sampras in his prime would completly **** Nadal with serve and volleys. crap, Roddick would straight set nadal on grass.

Do you really think the game has gone downhill such that Sampras would destroy everyone on grass? That's just ridiculous. The game is improving... the reason that people don't serve and volley all the time is because players have evolved great passing shots. The pace of the ball has increased such that getting in to make a good volley is much more difficult than it once was.

knightsky
07-04-2007, 02:58 PM
Sampras thinks he can compete against anyone, that includes Roger Federer, in a best-of-three on grass.
__________________________________________________ _____________

Sampras cheers for Federer

Los Angeles - Pete Sampras is cheering for Roger Federer to win his fifth Wimbledon title in a row and the retired US tennis legend says he expects the Swiss superstar will shatter his all-time Grand Slam mark.

Sampras, speaking in a conference call with reporters, said Tuesday that he thinks Federer will capture 18 major singles titles before his career is over, as many as Jack Nicklaus has taken to lead golf's all-time major list.

"Inevitably, he is breaking all my records," Sampras said. "I think he's on his way to breaking my 14 and winning as many as Nicklaus."

Federer, seeking his 11th career Grand Slam title this week at Wimbledon, will face Sampras in November in Asian exhibition matches at Seoul, Kuala Lumpur and Macau.

"I'm a fan of his game. I am a fan of the type of player that he is," said Sampras. "I think he's going to win his fifth (at Wimbledon). I think he will break any foreseeable tennis record that's out there.

"I don't see anyone really threatening him seriously. I'm pulling for him."

Sampras is playing every other day and working himself into better shape than he has had after three years away from the sport following his 2002 retirement, thinking he might stand a chance against ATP players under certain conditions.

"Grass is such a unique surface, I can probably still be competitive against anyone in a two out of three match," Sampras said. "I can still hold serve and that's one of the things I am still doing well.

"I'm curious more than anything. I would like to play a set with one of these guys and see. I'm still serving pretty hard and volleying pretty well and moving pretty well. That's kind of half the battle.

"I think I would be fine. I would be OK. I think if I give myself a legitimate chance to practice, to get in shape and serve and volley a ton and do the things I used to do, for one match, I can do OK."

Sampras admits he misses being at Wimbledon instead of watching on television.

"I still miss Wimbledon," he said. "I will miss it when I am 45 and 55. It is still of a big part of my life." - Sapa-AFP

www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=30&art_id=nw20070704085145181C170345

RagingLamb
07-04-2007, 04:51 PM
^he's been saying that for a while. One single best of three match on grass? Sure he could compete. But when he says that he would do just "OK" even if he played just one little match on the grass that he used to own, you know there's no chance in hell even he believes he's coming back.

trixtah
07-04-2007, 04:57 PM
seconded. maybe its a little shortsighted to discard the opinion of the best tennis player of all time but believe me, theres something wrong when clay courters are doing this well...

and all those who say S & V is boring have no idea what their on about. Its a difference of style, another specialist art to be mastered that was particular to this surface for a reason. Its certainly not the monotony of hard hitting topspinning baseliners that everyone is heading towards. Give me a Edberg vs MacEnroe match over ANYONE at Wimby these days, such is the cloning thats going on...

There's something wrong when claycourters are doing well on grass? Are you stupid? I can think of about a million things wrong with this statement.

Also: Mr. Sampras needs to start shutting his mouth before he completely makes a fool of himself. Maybe he should make a comeback just so that I can laugh at him.

RagingLamb
07-04-2007, 05:05 PM
There's something wrong when claycourters are doing well on grass? Are you stupid? I can think of about a million things wrong with this statement.

Also: Mr. Sampras needs to start shutting his mouth before he completely makes a fool of himself. Maybe he should make a comeback just so that I can laugh at him.


Shut his mouth about what?

trixtah
07-04-2007, 05:07 PM
Shut his mouth about what?

Making a comeback and commenting about modern tennis. I can't tell if your post is antagonistic or what but since it's MTF, I'll assume so.

World Beater
07-04-2007, 05:08 PM
sampras is the real egoking

RagingLamb
07-04-2007, 05:10 PM
Making a comeback and commenting about modern tennis. I can't tell if your post is antagonistic or what but since it's MTF, I'll assume so.

He's said he is absolutely NOT coming back, and he's said this over and over, so no debate there. And he's entitled to his opinion about modern day tennis, just as anyone else is.

I don't understand why you have such a problem with him.

nolop
07-04-2007, 05:42 PM
please someone give sampras a quick update :tape:

Mansave_75
07-04-2007, 06:05 PM
Now you got grass clowns like Nadal, Canas, Fererro going far in Wimbledon.
I think you are the best clown of all them so far...:p