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Players warned about match fixing.

Jaap
07-01-2007, 08:43 PM
So concerned are the Association of Tennis Professionals about players betting on their own matches that they issued a memo to all players recently warning them of the perils of match-fixing. And to think that when The Sunday Telegraph first broke this story nearly four years ago the Association of Tennis Professionals, after a brief investigation, categorically denied anything untoward was going on.

Under the headline "ATP Monitoring Gambling and Corruption in the Tennis Industry", the memo stated: "Gambling is an increasing problem among athletes - 25 per cent of this population gamble on a frequent basis. Athletes' competitive nature and the excitement of having something on the line are some of the main reasons they are attracted to gambling.

"You could be the target of organised crime and/or professional gamblers - you are an easier target if you continuously gamble at casinos, online, etc. Be careful whom you associate with. Gambling on your sport and/or match fixing will corrupt the sport and ruin your career. ATP is closely monitoring the tennis gambling industry and will take action when needed. DO NOT - under any circumstances - get involved in any kind of tennis gambling or match fixing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/07/01/stdiar101.xml

I think we all know which players are involved in match fixing eh?

Forehander
07-01-2007, 08:48 PM
I wouldn't be surprised. Match fixing can happen anywhere. The highschool i currently go to fix matches in the school tennis team at times between other schools. Lucky im not allowe to participate in school tennis teams lol so embarrassing!

nanoman
07-01-2007, 08:57 PM
I've heard some commentators(Belgians) talking that TMK(the man kafelnikov) used to do a lot of matchfixing. Anyone know more of this ?

Jaap
07-01-2007, 08:59 PM
I've heard some commentators(Belgians) talking that TMK(the man kafelnikov) used to do a lot of matchfixing. Anyone know more of this ?

PMK also does a lot of match fixing.

TankingTheSet
07-01-2007, 09:01 PM
You have to be very careful about making match fixing allegations.

Frequently there is a "gamble" at British bookmakers which affects the odds for a certain player to win or to win in straigth sets, for example from 4/5 (1.8) to 1/3 (1.33) before the start of the match. Much of the betting public and the popular press interpret this as some kind of match fixing. In most cases, this is completely untrue. It simply reflects the fact the initial odds set by the British bookmakers were much too generous and there was a "stampede" of punters betting on the likeliest results. Often it is the case that injuries suffered by one of the players were not included in the British bookmaker's calculations. I think true match fixing is very rare.

Most vulnerable to match fixing would be Challengers events, betting on which is popular in Central Europe. Most of these players struggle financially and fixing match could be attractive to some.

Action Jackson
07-01-2007, 09:03 PM
They all fix.

Bobby
07-01-2007, 09:05 PM
I think match fixing is very possible in tennis. Maybe not in the highest level, but in the challengers. If it happens in football, it sure can happen in tennis. It's not that difficult to lose a match. A lot of unforced errors especially in the break points and that's almost it. A player can come up with a lot of excuses for a loss.

Nathaliia
07-01-2007, 09:07 PM
Most vulnerable to match fixing would be Challengers events, betting on which is popular in Central Europe. Most of these players struggle financially and fixing match could be attractive to some.
Always happens.

Last year there was a guy who reached the final of the challenger that I had the pleasure to work at, and he won more on gambling than on money prize, and was proud of it, and at local bookie they didn't have enough cash to pay him out. Says pretty much.

Jaap
07-01-2007, 09:07 PM
You have to be very careful about making match fixing allegations.

Frequently there is a "gamble" at British bookmakers which affects the odds for a certain player to win or to win in straigth sets, for example from 4/5 (1.8) to 1/3 (1.33) before the start of the match. Much of the betting public and the popular press interpret this is some kind of match fixing. In most cases, this is completely untrue. It simply reflects the fact the initial odds set by the British bookmakers were much too generous and there was a "stampede" of punters betting on the likeliest results. Often it is the case that injuries suffered by one of the players were not included in the British bookmaker's calculations. I think true match fixing is very rare.

Most vulnerable to match fixing would be Challengers events, betting on which is popular in Central Europe. Most of these players struggle financially and fixing match could be attractive to some.

Remember a match at Palermo, a certain player was leading 6-4, 4-2 and with every game he was winning, his odds were rising. :lol:

Of course he went on to lose the match 6-4, 4-6, 2-6.

Jaap
07-01-2007, 09:08 PM
It don't always happen just at lower level events, there has been a fixed match at Wimbledon this year and there were a couple of fixed matches there last year as well.

Mateya
07-01-2007, 09:11 PM
I would bet on my opponents just for a jinx :tape:

Volandri-Federer in Rome was fixed by mafia :devil:

Seriously, I think 98% of players wouldnt do this...they work too hard to just throw matches away like this :confused:

TankingTheSet
07-01-2007, 09:14 PM
It don't always happen just at lower level events, there has been a fixed match at Wimbledon this year and there were a couple of fixed matches there last year as well.

The Lee-Vassallo "gamble" was just a gamble, nothing to do with match fixing. The British bookmakers simply set the odds for Lee much too high, disregarding the fact that Lee is a very good grass court player while Vassallo-Aguello is absolutely useless on it.

Nathaliia
07-01-2007, 09:17 PM
Remember a match at Palermo, a certain player was leading 6-4, 4-2 and with every game he was winning, his odds were rising. :lol:

Of course he went on to lose the match 6-4, 4-6, 2-6.
I think you got the score wrong but I know what match you talk about. Have to tell you, these two players were sharing a bed at the certain challenger week before (I think only the marriage beds were left ;) ) so it was not a mattr of fix, but a matter of love commitments :)

Hotzenplotz
07-01-2007, 09:19 PM
The Lee-Vassallo "gamble" was just a gamble, nothing to do with match fixing. The British bookmakers simply set the odds for Lee much too high, disregarding the fact that Lee is a very good grass court player while Vassallo-Aguello is absolutely useless on it.

You must be living in cloud-cuckoo-land, the tennis world isn't as clean as you think :p

Nathaliia
07-01-2007, 09:21 PM
The Lee-Vassallo "gamble" was just a gamble, nothing to do with match fixing. The British bookmakers simply set the odds for Lee much too high, disregarding the fact that Lee is a very good grass court player while Vassallo-Aguello is absolutely useless on it.
I agree with you 100%, just the bookies were careful with Lee, as he had already one famous collapse of shape in Moscow. Just inconsistent when playing weaker players and being put as a favourite. Worse days happen, it's only sport.

Jaap
07-01-2007, 09:21 PM
The Lee-Vassallo "gamble" was just a gamble, nothing to do with match fixing. The British bookmakers simply set the odds for Lee much too high, disregarding the fact that Lee is a very good grass court player while Vassallo-Aguello is absolutely useless on it.

I would agree but I found the fact that the odds of Lee winning 3-0 in sets were almost the same as him winning the match and amount of money put on Lee winning 3-0 was 5 or 6 times more than what was put on in similar matches. :lol:

Jaap
07-01-2007, 09:23 PM
I think you got the score wrong but I know what match you talk about. Have to tell you, these two players were sharing a bed at the certain challenger week before (I think only the marriage beds were left ;) ) so it was not a mattr of fix, but a matter of love commitments :)

:haha:

I wish I knew of that when I placed my money on the player that was a 6-4, 4-2(or whatever it was) at 4.0.....thinking that was excellent value. :retard:

tennisfan856
07-01-2007, 09:38 PM
Last year, I wanted to place a wager on the Gaston Gaudio/Andreas Seppi match during the U.S. Open at the Greek Sportsbook. The oddsmaker took the match down and when I emailed them why, they said that there is rumor of the match being possibly fixed and they don't want to receive any more action. He didn't tell me who was on the fix for obvious reasons, but Seppi didn't even put in a good effort in Gaudio's first match in almost three months. Tennis isn't as clean as you think folks.

s.m.
07-01-2007, 09:55 PM
I think we all know which players are involved in match fixing eh?

roko karanušić, saša tuksar
their matches are banned with some bookies


more fixed matches last year
week 47

Vico vs Cipolla ( Shrewsbury )
Hiper...something vs Junqueira ( Napels, crazy odds, hipper something killed him )
J. Garcia vs Bogomolov ( Napels )
Meffert vs Economidis ( Shrewsbury )
Goodal vs Stahovsky ( Shrewsbury )
and against Labadze ( Shrewsbury )

all matches 2-0 for suggested players
5dimes made restrictions for betting on challengers after that ˝incident˝

Jaap
07-01-2007, 09:56 PM
i found them

Vico vs Cipolla ( Shrewsbury )
Hiper...something vs Junqueira ( Napels, crazy odds, hipper something killed him )
J. Garcia vs Bogomolov ( Napels )
Meffert vs Economidis ( Shrewsbury )
Goodal vs Stahovsky ( Shrewsbury )
and against Labadze ( Shrewsbury )

all matches 2-0 for suggested players

This is intresting, I only know of main level fixes.

No suprise to see Labadze there though.:lol:

s.m.
07-01-2007, 09:58 PM
This is intresting, I only know of main level fixes.

No suprise to see Labadze there though.:lol:

money lies in shitty tournaments:p

Jaap
07-01-2007, 10:00 PM
money lies in shitty tournaments:p

Which is probably why many bookies don't offer challenger matches.

FedFan_2007
07-01-2007, 10:00 PM
I really hope that Roger/Rafa fix things next year so that Roger wins Roland Garros and Rafa gets to win Wimbledon. That would be EXCELLENT for the sport.

Nathaliia
07-01-2007, 10:03 PM
roko karanušić, saša tuksar
their matches are banned with some bookies


more fixed matches last year
week 47

Vico vs Cipolla ( Shrewsbury )
Hiper...something vs Junqueira ( Napels, crazy odds, hipper something killed him )
J. Garcia vs Bogomolov ( Napels )
Meffert vs Economidis ( Shrewsbury )
Goodal vs Stahovsky ( Shrewsbury )
and against Labadze ( Shrewsbury )

all matches 2-0 for suggested players
5dimes made restrictions for betting on challengers after that ˝incident˝
This Shrewsbury looks truly nice, it was the same event where Dick Norman retired when Bubka had a match point :)

Diego Hipperdinger, plays for Argentina, also played for Spain and was suspended for dope. Interesting persona.

Jaap
07-01-2007, 10:06 PM
No suprise everyone fixes in Shrewsbury. Its in a shitty part of England and one of the last tournaments of the year. Some players looking to make their final pay day of the day before the 6 week break.

SwiSha
07-01-2007, 10:17 PM
who cares about match fixing in challengers,

if you bet on a challenger event it is your fault, would not even put a dime on these matches

Nathaliia
07-01-2007, 11:19 PM
On another tournament that I had big pleasure of working, there was a top seeded, relatively high-ranked tennis player. So we asked him why he came for the challenger and he answered that for sightseeing.

One more event there would be, going by shuttle with two players of the same country about to play a match, and they didn't know I understood their language with no big problem.

During the last challenger I worked for, I also had more gambling profit than wage, and I wasn't complaining about my contract then.

JMG
07-01-2007, 11:30 PM
On Friday the Bundesliga starts, so be careful about challenger betting on thursday. :devil: