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Shocking Ferrero Stat for the Championships

VolandriFan
07-01-2007, 11:48 AM
Juanqui has served the same number of aces as Andy Roddick so far in the tournament, 43. If you factor in that his baseline game has been very solid with his footspeed, and that his forehand is circa 2003 effective this week, it's a shame that he could face Federer so early, it would've been nice for him to be on the other side of the draw.

Of course he must first beat Tipsarevic, which would have been much easier yesterday after how long Janko had spent on the court. He'll be able to rest up for tomorrow, and it will be a real challenge for Juan Carlos- but one that I believe he'll be able to pull through.

Ferrero is very undestimated due to his inconsistency, but almost always great players eventually come back with a good result. This could be his!

Ferrero Forever
07-01-2007, 11:53 AM
Paolo, it's not a shocking stat. It's a beautiful one!!! I told him at the Aus Open when he had 4 aces against Hacek in about 2 games that he was serving better than Roddick (Hacek was injured though), but it's nice to see that my joke is a reality.



And yes it's a little shocking I suppose. Destroy Tipsarevic Juanqui!!!

Loremaster
07-01-2007, 11:53 AM
yeah but Andy played total of 9 sets and Ferrero played 13 sets

TankingTheSet
07-01-2007, 12:23 PM
Ferrero got most of those aces in his marathon first round match against Hajek who can't return at all. I don't think Ferrero is playing badly, but that aces number is a fluke.

Voo de Mar
07-01-2007, 01:41 PM
Ferrero got most of those aces in his marathon first round match against Hajek who can't return at all. I don't think Ferrero is playing badly, but that aces number is a fluke.

He made his personal record in serving aces against Hajek.

Jimnik
07-01-2007, 03:19 PM
He also won 24 points in a row on serve against Blake. ;)

Marek.
07-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Ferrero won a set without dropping a point on serve against a top ten player. That's no fluke.

R.Federer
07-01-2007, 04:44 PM
That is indeed a great stat. It is nice to see JCF playing well.

With ace stats, well it's hard to compare ace numbers across different matches. What is an ace against one player, may not be against another one. It depends on return ability to such a big extent. Otherwise roddick would not be outaced in matches against great returners. It's not that his ace ability goes down, it's that what would be an ace against another player just is not an ace any more.

NYCtennisfan
07-01-2007, 07:07 PM
JCF is using his serve out wide on the AD court very well indeed, but the ACEs number doesn't mean much. As pointed out, most of them were against Hajek.

The other thing about Roddick is that he doesn't really hit a lot of aces these days, but he still hits a ton of service unreturnables. His placement isn't usually good enough for tons of aces, but the serve is big enough to garner a huge amount of unreturnables which are just as good as aces.

Roddickominator
07-01-2007, 09:24 PM
So it's settled, JCF's serve is just as good as Roddick's now. Along with his solid baseline game, that should easily make him the next #3 player in the world, as Roddick has nothing other than a serve.

El Legenda
07-01-2007, 09:31 PM
470 views 9 replys= nobody gives a shit. :D

SwiSha
07-01-2007, 09:34 PM
oh god praising JCF after beating Hajek in 5, Muller who is not in form since his win against Roddick at the US a decade ago and Mr Hit or Miss Blake the most overrrated player on the tour :retard:
rofl

bring on grass specialist Berlocq

sodman12
07-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Yeah but how many of roddicks serves don't come back or are just sitting there waiting to me pummeled by his forehand

Jimnik
07-01-2007, 09:48 PM
470 views 9 replys= nobody gives a shit. :D
You're just worried that he'll overtake Ljubo on ace count. :p

Scotso
07-01-2007, 10:21 PM
It's not shocking, he's been playing well.

SixPack
07-01-2007, 10:38 PM
I just don't understand how Ferrero is doing this. He is a clay court specialist. It boggles my mind.

aramis
07-01-2007, 11:01 PM
I just don't understand how Ferrero is doing this. He is a clay court specialist. It boggles my mind.

No, he's not. If anything he has already proven he can play at the highest level on every surface (well not so much on grass, but his Wimbledon record is surprisingly very solid and the grass court season is too short to give many opportunities). And why do people assume Blake is a better grass court player than Ferrero? What has he done? He's just a hardcourt specialist.

R.Federer
07-01-2007, 11:50 PM
No, he's not. If anything he has already proven he can play at the highest level on every surface (well not so much on grass, but his Wimbledon record is surprisingly very solid and the grass court season is too short to give many opportunities). And why do people assume Blake is a better grass court player than Ferrero? What has he done? He's just a hardcourt specialist.
Blake won Queens one year/

VolandriFan
07-02-2007, 12:16 AM
470 views 9 replys= nobody gives a shit. :D

And yet you replied? :eek:

*bunny*
07-02-2007, 12:17 AM
I just don't understand how Ferrero is doing this. He is a clay court specialist. It boggles my mind.
He started playing tennis on hard courts when he was a kid. He also won titles in Dubai, Hong Kong (hard) and Madrid Masters. He reached USO final in 2003, beating hard court stalwarts like Todd Martin, Hewitt and Agassi. It boggles my mind there are still people calling him a clay court specialist.

No, he's not. If anything he has already proven he can play at the highest level on every surface (well not so much on grass, but his Wimbledon record is surprisingly very solid and the grass court season is too short to give many opportunities). And why do people assume Blake is a better grass court player than Ferrero? What has he done? He's just a hardcourt specialist.
:worship:

JCF's serve is very underrated. True, more than half of his aces last week came against Hajek whose return was crap, but I remember he had 21 aces against Hewitt in USO QF in 2003. When he is playing in a top form, like when he did against Blake, he hits many unreturnable serves, too. I'm sure there were more than 30 unreturnable serves from him in that match. He also has a very good second serve. In the year-end stats in 2003, the year he reached No.1, he topped the table in second serve points won, and came second in first serve points won.

Blake won Queens one year/
No, he hasn't.

Sean.J.S.
07-02-2007, 12:23 AM
Ferrero has also played four more sets than Roddick...

R.Federer
07-02-2007, 12:24 AM
Blake won Queens one year/

]No, he hasn't.

Thank you for the correction, you are right. He was a RUP.:)

aramis
07-02-2007, 12:26 AM
Also got to the TMC final(indoors) in 2002 and nearly took out Hewitt who was the man to beat in those years.

aramis
07-02-2007, 12:27 AM
Ferrero has also played four more sets than Roddick...

I agree that the ace count is overrated; Hajek just doesn't understand how to return a serve. And the amount of unreturnables he got against Blake had much more to do with James going for broke on everything. The stat is still nice to look at nonetheless.

*bunny*
07-02-2007, 12:32 AM
Thank you for the correction, you are right. He was a RUP.:)
No problem. :)

Marek.
07-02-2007, 12:36 AM
I agree that the ace count is overrated; Hajek just doesn't understand how to return a serve. And the amount of unreturnables he got against Blake had much more to do with James going for broke on everything. The stat is still nice to look at nonetheless.

I think JCF knew Blake would go for broke and was focused on placing the serve well at a high percentage knowing that most of them wouldn't come back.

gusman890
07-02-2007, 01:03 AM
Ferrero was smart because he was counting on Jame's tendenices to go for broke and it worked.

If more people played like this ,reguardless if James hits winners every now and then, they have a shot agasint him.

Ferrero Forever
07-02-2007, 09:11 AM
I think Ferrero is dangerous at Wimbledon. It will almost definetly be over for JC when he plays Federer, but Tipsarevic has to be very careful if he wants to win. Ferrero has been so underrated since his ranking dropped drastically in 2004. He's now a consistent presence in the top 25, so just like most other players, if he's playing brilliant tennis, then he can beat anyone on that day.

Also he is definetly not a claycourt specialist. US Open runner up, Wimbledon 4th round (yeah Grass is definetly not his best surface, but he's improved heaps on it, and claims to not mind the surface anymore), Aus Open semifinal. Ferrero will be back in the top 10 soon. I've been saying it for ages, but I feel more optimistic about this than ever.

VolandriFan
07-02-2007, 09:47 AM
I think Ferrero is dangerous at Wimbledon. It will almost definetly be over for JC when he plays Federer, but Tipsarevic has to be very careful if he wants to win. Ferrero has been so underrated since his ranking dropped drastically in 2004. He's now a consistent presence in the top 25, so just like most other players, if he's playing brilliant tennis, then he can beat anyone on that day.

Also he is definetly not a claycourt specialist. US Open runner up, Wimbledon 4th round (yeah Grass is definetly not his best surface, but he's improved heaps on it, and claims to not mind the surface anymore), Aus Open semifinal. Ferrero will be back in the top 10 soon. I've been saying it for ages, but I feel more optimistic about this than ever.

Couldn't agree more on everything you just said :yeah:

Loremaster
07-02-2007, 09:52 AM
470 views 9 replys= nobody gives a shit. :D

nobody gives ashit about Ljubo loser :haha:

Fisico
07-03-2007, 03:33 PM
another 14 aces for JC takes him up to second (temporarily) on the ace count haha
obviously he got a lot of those in his marathon match with Hajek who's not a great returner, but 14 aces in 3 sets with Tipsy is a pretty good haul

Fisico
07-03-2007, 03:36 PM
oh god praising JCF after beating Hajek in 5, Muller who is not in form since his win against Roddick at the US a decade ago and Mr Hit or Miss Blake the most overrrated player on the tour :retard:
rofl

bring on grass specialist Berlocq

so you're gonna tell me that all 4 of JCF's matches so far have been expected wins?
after losing to Berlocq i dont think many people expected JC to reach the QF's at wimbledon so give the guy some credit

aramis
07-03-2007, 03:53 PM
another 14 aces for JC takes him up to second (temporarily) on the ace count haha
obviously he got a lot of those in his marathon match with Hajek who's not a great returner, but 14 aces in 3 sets with Tipsy is a pretty good haul

And if you only count players left in the draw, he's first (temporarily). We'll see how Roddick responds to this interesting challenge ;)