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Analysing Fena ! (Was Gonzo's run at AO a fluke?)

The_Nadal_effect
06-29-2007, 06:01 PM
After that brilliant run of form at AO this year, Fena has only managed to reach the final of one tournament, 'Rome'; but yet won nothing.

I remember reading from the posts made at MTF during his AO run how much Fena has improved, all thanks to Stefanki!

I'd like to know which areas has Fena actually improved, since I only started following him after AO this year. Has he improved at all? Does he have a TMS in store for him, or was that run at AO a 'fluke', and Stefanki overrated?

GlennMirnyi
06-29-2007, 06:02 PM
Time to watch more tennis instead of asking these newbie questions. :silly:

Marek.
06-29-2007, 06:03 PM
I guess his defence has improved and maybe his volleys. He really needs to get a topspin backhand though..

The_Nadal_effect
06-29-2007, 06:09 PM
Time to watch more tennis instead of asking these newbie questions. :silly:

Since you're an oldie around here, how come 4/5 times your posts are full of gas? :scratch:

Can't expect anything from this quarter :retard: :rolleyes:

selyoink
06-29-2007, 06:14 PM
His problem is his backhand. I don't think I saw him do anything but slice it today.

stebs
06-29-2007, 06:17 PM
His shot selection is SO much better than what it was. It still isn't perfect but right now when he's good he's very good and then when he's average he's average. It used to be when he was good he was very good but when he wasn't good he was terrible.

GlennMirnyi
06-29-2007, 06:20 PM
Since you're an oldie around here, how come 4/5 times your posts are full of gas? :scratch:

Can't expect anything from this quarter :retard: :rolleyes:

I guess it's expected from Rafa Roids-fans to know nothing about tennis and start asking :bs: around.

The_Nadal_effect
06-29-2007, 06:22 PM
His shot selection is SO much better than what it was. It still isn't perfect but right now when he's good he's very good and then when he's average he's average. It used to be when he was good he was very good but when he wasn't good he was terrible.

And Stefanki is responsible for that improvement? But is it enough to get him a TMS title at least. I mean the guy looked so hard working at AO, he deserves some. Just too bad he ran into Fed and Rafa in his finals this year.

The_Nadal_effect
06-29-2007, 06:24 PM
I guess it's expected from Rafa Roids-fans to know nothing about tennis and start asking :bs: around.

Blistering barnacles! I wish I could shove your head into a cement mixer!:(

stebs
06-29-2007, 06:29 PM
And Stefanki is responsible for that improvement? But is it enough to get him a TMS title at least. I mean the guy looked so hard working at AO, he deserves some. Just too bad he ran into Fed and Rafa in his finals this year.

well I guess Stefanki is responsible. If you ask that kind of question you won't get a 100% certain answer because as far as I know nobody here works with Gonzo so nobody knows exactly how he is improving. He deserves what he gets and the other top players work just as hard, just because he sweats and shouts Bamos and gets the crowd invloved doesn't mean he is working harder although for sure he is a great proffesional.

If he is getting to finals thesedays he is expecting to run into Federer and Nadal and it's not bad luck that he can't beat Federer on the fast courts or Nadal on the clay courts.

GlennMirnyi
06-29-2007, 06:34 PM
Blistering barnacles! I wish I could shove your head into a cement mixer!:(

Better take yours from it first.

nolop
06-29-2007, 06:44 PM
i want the american hardcourts season to start noooowwwwwww!!! :sobbing:

ChinoRios4Ever
06-29-2007, 07:02 PM
Gonzo lost his power, now his fh is just ok and his bh is awful...

i dont know what happens in his mind right now...

Sunset of Age
06-29-2007, 08:36 PM
Gonzo's backhand is OFF right now - and besides that I think he should get his head together as well too. He seemed to really lose it at times in his match against Tipsy today, losing his concentration and the like.

Sjengster
06-29-2007, 09:50 PM
I was going to start a thread about this, but I can post here. I think the percentage tennis imparted by Stefanki has been both a blessing and a curse, yes he can play smarter tactical points to get breaks and get opponents out of their comfort zone, but the absence of his power game really shows when he has to close matches out. Today when serving for it at 5-3 in the fifth, every time he got into a rally he was playing chipped backhands cross-court, rather weak floaters that Tipsarevic took early on his forehand and smacked into the corners as he had been doing for most of the match. His topspin backhand has never been a great shot but he can hit screamers on that side when he's on, and at least he'd be more proactive if he went for it. Constant slicing isn't so much a clever tactical play as a desperate resort.

We've all seen him choke before by going for stupid shots on big points (Coria in Miami a few years ago springs to mind), but I'd rather see him flay a forehand out by miles on match point than just dump a nothing slice into the net, with no real pressure on the shot other than the scoreline. Federer has a tendency to miss weak backhands on break points as well, that's an aspect of his game that no one should try to emulate.

RonE
06-29-2007, 09:52 PM
Pre-Stefanki gonzo would try to knock the cover off the ball off of every shot. It was truly hit or miss. When he was on he was unstoppable but when he was off he would spray balls everywhere.

Stefanki did seem to improve his shot selection and he is nowhere near as wild as he used to be but as many have said that BH is a big liability and I think he needs to go back to running around to his FH more as that is howhe had his greatest success.

NYCtennisfan
06-29-2007, 11:06 PM
Most of it has been covered here already. HIs Bh is still a big problem. Federer with his continuous sneak attacks to the net when he saw Gonzo going for the slice made Gonzo's Bh look like a challenger player's.

ON another note, very few players on the ATP tour win a lot of titles. Most players get used to losing every week. Gonzo making the finals of Roma and AO is a pretty good year for most.

Sjengster
06-29-2007, 11:13 PM
True, it's just that the AO final looked to me at least like a progression of form from his three indoor finals in a row achieved at the end of last year, and carrying it over to a new surface and a new season made it look as though he had achieved consistency in the big events at last. In hindsight that final appearance in Australia really put the pressure on him to be consistent from that point on, I mean you had some people suggesting he could become no. 2 in the world with similarly great play at the big fast court events this year. I'm just disappointed that he lost another five-setter at a Slam (discounting the Del Potro win which was a retirement, he hasn't won a five-setter at the Slams since 2005) and went out early at RG and Wimbledon once again.

NYCtennisfan
06-29-2007, 11:34 PM
True, it's just that the AO final looked to me at least like a progression of form from his three indoor finals in a row achieved at the end of last year, and carrying it over to a new surface and a new season made it look as though he had achieved consistency in the big events at last. In hindsight that final appearance in Australia really put the pressure on him to be consistent from that point on, I mean you had some people suggesting he could become no. 2 in the world with similarly great play at the big fast court events this year. I'm just disappointed that he lost another five-setter at a Slam (discounting the Del Potro win which was a retirement, he hasn't won a five-setter at the Slams since 2005) and went out early at RG and Wimbledon once again.

It did seem to be another step forward in his progression as a player, but that schooling Fed gave him took something out of the tank I think. He knew that no matter how much he got better (unless he somehow inherited Guga's BH overnight), he could not take down Federer. Those types of losses in finals are very deflating for very good but not great players. In all probability, he will never play that well again (and he knows it) which means his one good chance at a slam is now gone. I pretty much assumed that he would not keep performing like he did at the AO.

krakenzero
06-29-2007, 11:38 PM
he has a new toy (the sliced backhand), but he still doesn't have any strategy to play. So, he keeps losing against players who have enough intelligence to take advantage of his irregularity.

Considering his shots, he has always had a "season shot": remember the huge "kill-or-die" backhand from 2002-2004? The killer "serve-and-volley" from beggining 2005 (including Wimbledon)? The "drop-shot-machine" from late 2005 (there was one particular match against Hrbaty, when the only thing he did was making drop shots and he won 6/0 6/3)?? Now the good times of the "amazing-backhand-slice" (that started in the US Open series and finished after AO) are over and he can't find a weapon to harm the opponent. He frustrates and begin to whine, scream, and throw rackets away. He has a lot of resources, but can't stand variety. It's just too much strategy for him. And I'm saying this being a Gonzofan....

Sjengster
06-29-2007, 11:40 PM
One thing's for sure, he'll never be able to replicate the insane statistics he produced during those two weeks - something like 307 winners to 130 errors going into the final, I believe? With W/UE ratios of 41/3 against Haas, 26/2 against Hewitt in the first two sets of their match.... with that kind of play he'd be unbeatable, but he probably made 3 errors in the first couple of games of the final. Understandably, of course.

I thought playing in Vina del Mar right after the AO to fulfil his obligation to the Chilean public was a big mistake, it tired him out even further and he must have been quite jaded going into the DC tie against Russia. And losing that tie was surely a big confidence blow, considering all the expectations that must have been placed on him to win with the form that he had. Feeling that you've let the nation down can't be a great sensation to have going back onto the tour.

Sjengster
06-29-2007, 11:49 PM
he has a new toy (the sliced backhand), but he still doesn't have any strategy to play. So, he keeps losing against players who have enough intelligence to take advantage of his irregularity.

Considering his shots, he has always had a "season shot": remember the huge "kill-or-die" backhand from 2002-2004? The killer "serve-and-volley" from beggining 2005 (including Wimbledon)? The "drop-shot-machine" from late 2005 (there was one particular match against Hrbaty, when the only thing he did was making drop shots and he won 6/0 6/3)?? Now the good times of the "amazing-backhand-slice" (that started in the US Open series and finished after AO) are over and he can't find a weapon to harm the opponent. He frustrates and begin to whine, scream, and throw rackets away. He has a lot of resources, but can't stand variety. It's just too much strategy for him. And I'm saying this being a Gonzofan....

The slice worked brilliantly at the AO when he chipped it cross-court, wore out his opponent's patience and goaded them into hitting to his forehand, when he would unleash with a huge shot and get them off balance. But most of the time it doesn't really do anything except make the opponent play a lot of slow balls, he doesn't use it as an approach shot nor does he really take other players out of their rhythm (and he can only hit it cross-court it seems, rather than taking it up the line which is where his topspin backhand naturally goes).

Talking about problems with variety, he doesn't seem able to change between slice and topspin during the course of a rally which would be a huge benefit, the change of pace would definitely unsettle his opponents. But just thinking back to last year's US Open defeat against Murray, when he played straightforward power tennis with huge serves and forehands he rolled over him in the second and third sets; then he reverted to a tentative style of play trying to outsmart him with slices and grinding points, which Murray will always do better at.

The only time he really uncorks on the forehand it seems is when he gets that kind of attackable ball off the serve, fortunately he hasn't lost any of his serving ability (though there has been the shoulder problem). I remember when he made the quarters here two years ago he had the most aces of everyone going into the last eight, absolutely huge bombs.

Seneca
06-30-2007, 12:40 AM
As pointed out earlier, I too think the evolution of Gonzo mk. II reached its pinnacle at the AO 2007. It was a steady, solid uphill curve for him during the late indoor season and when the Australian Open came rolling in, the man was playing like the second coming of Lendl/Becker. In the final, nerves got to him, he lost the first set he had in his pocket at that point and Federer never looked back after that.

I believe Gonzalez would have needed a decent break after that to get his head sorted around the supposed new world order in which he was one of the elite contenders after Federer & (then slumping) Nadal. The break never came, and he burned himself out physically and mentally playing the Viña and DC.

Roddickominator
06-30-2007, 01:04 AM
This is an excellent thread, with some good analysis from several posters. I agree that Gonzo just doesn't have the aptitude to include all the variety that he has used at different times into his game. He's still fun to watch, but his window to win a Grand Slam is probably over unless he gets really hot and Fed somehow gets knocked out early. That topspin backhand is just too inconsistent, and the slice backhand is just too weak....as the only strategy he uses it with is trying to goad his opponent into either going for it or hitting to his forehand.

leng jai
06-30-2007, 01:12 AM
And Stefanki is responsible for that improvement? But is it enough to get him a TMS title at least. I mean the guy looked so hard working at AO, he deserves some. Just too bad he ran into Fed and Rafa in his finals this year.

If its bad luck that he faced Federer or Nadal in an important final then everyone on tour has bad luck.

ChinoRios4Ever
06-30-2007, 02:11 AM
fantastic points guys :yeah:

The_Nadal_effect
07-18-2007, 09:25 AM
A straight sets loss in L.A. against someone from the Challengers! Do you guys still feel the problem is only at a physical level(his shotmaking)?

I think we could dig deeper. :)
Big US season coming up.

Kolya
07-18-2007, 10:05 AM
:haha: I thought the title said "analing".

My bad...

Gonzo is just inconsistent. His game shapes around his forehand. Players are attacking is BH because its weaker and they get a weak reply with that crap slice.

Action Jackson
07-18-2007, 10:29 AM
Sjengster pretty much covered this and he has shed some weight, so he isn't as bulky as before.

The backhand is a liability, obviously when he is confident it's works well, but as is common knowledge under pressure, this is when the weaknesses tend to stand out even more, but he is not like just it harder if it's not working.

Don't forget he had an excellent period of time towards the end of 2006 and through the AO, it's not surprising that there is a lull at the moment.

bayvalle
07-18-2007, 11:18 AM
After that brilliant run of form at AO this year, Fena has only managed to reach the final of one tournament, 'Rome'; but yet won nothing.

I remember reading from the posts made at MTF during his AO run how much Fena has improved, all thanks to Stefanki!

I'd like to know which areas has Fena actually improved, since I only started following him after AO this year. Has he improved at all? Does he have a TMS in store for him, or was that run at AO a 'fluke', and Stefanki overrated?
The way I see it, Gonzales' defeat at AO at the hands of the Swiss King broke his heart no end. Had he won that one, his adrenalin for winning could have gone up more for future tournaments. Of course Fena accepted that defeat still feeling ten feet tall. As one player has said, it is better to lose to the linguist king than to others not named Federer.

VolandriFan
07-18-2007, 02:08 PM
He has no confidence anymore. Stefanki looked good for his game at first, but clearly has no idea what he is talking about. I'd rather Fernando attack off of every single ball than none at all. Someone needs to teach him when to go for his shots.

stebs
07-18-2007, 03:48 PM
He is out on confidence, out of form and out of ideas. He will be back though the AO run is something he may never replicate.

As for analysis of his game it has already been covered.

The_Nadal_effect
07-18-2007, 04:18 PM
The way I see it, Gonzales' defeat at AO at the hands of the Swiss King broke his heart no end. Had he won that one, his adrenalin for winning could have gone up more for future tournaments. Of course Fena accepted that defeat still feeling ten feet tall. As one player has said, it is better to lose to the linguist king than to others not named Federer.

...that's more the kind of answer I was looking for, because his technical ability should surely surpass a guy from challengers (IMO, I didn't see the match). ...Such as Fed's loss to Volandri (which had more to do with his self-struggle and not tennis playing)...

FedererGrandSlam
07-18-2007, 04:37 PM
He has improved in the 10 MPH backhand slice category.

FedFan_2007
07-18-2007, 04:44 PM
Needs good topspin backhand.

martine2
07-18-2007, 07:15 PM
I think his game has improved since he's been working with Stefanky.
His problem right now is confidence.
Too much pressure after the AO and a few bad results afterwards.

People talk about him lately as if he can't even hold a racket and this isn't fair. Give him a break.

brent-o
07-18-2007, 08:00 PM
Time to watch more tennis instead of asking these newbie questions. :silly:

Time to get a life and stop making these idiotic remarks. Ah, I love wordplay.

R.Federer
07-18-2007, 09:48 PM
It looks like a confidence slump. Sort of unfortunate that he couldn't use the momentum from Melbourne to make a real impression this year. Maybe he just took more negatives from his finals loss there rather than look at it for what he achieved.

leng jai
07-18-2007, 11:19 PM
He needs a new topspin backhand technique for starters, and an attacking slice if hes going to use it that much.

t0x
07-19-2007, 12:07 AM
He's gone from over-aggressive to almost over-defensive. I mean on the BH he just slices and slices, and they're not aggressive slices like Federer or Henman use, they're defensive, useless ones. He needs sort that out, or at least hit the topspin backhand more.

I'd still say he's improved. He follows way more big forehands into the net to finish points off easier for example. However he's now not whacking absolutley every forehand (including ones that land short though!).

I think it's just a matter of him learning what balls to really hit, and what to play consistant on. It should hopefully come with time.

reece
07-19-2007, 01:26 AM
Time to watch more tennis instead of asking these newbie questions. :silly:

How does anyone who makes 38 posts a day - think about that for a moment, 38 posts a day, EVERY DAY! - have time to even watch tennis?? Do you have your computer with you while you watch it? Do you take it to the toilet with you? Do you sleep with it and make sleep-posts? Does it give you a hug when you are lonely??
I'm not being funny dude, but you need to get out a bit and stop being negative towards normal people who want to talk about tennis.

liptea
07-19-2007, 01:34 AM
this is a little unrelated, but how often does getting a new coach in the hope of revolutionizing your game work?

I think it became detrimental for Fena (how do i make the right 'n'?) and others (including Andy Roddick and Gilbert) by sacrificing a lot of their natural abilities in favor of building in the holes of their game. And eventually, it seems like neither game really feels as comfortable or can be sustained.

ChinoRios4Ever
07-19-2007, 01:42 AM
low confidence kills tennis players...

poor Gonzo :sad:

Julio1974
07-19-2007, 01:44 AM
this is a little unrelated, but how often does getting a new coach in the hope of revolutionizing your game work?

I think it became detrimental for Fena (how do i make the right 'n'?) and others (including Andy Roddick and Gilbert) by sacrificing a lot of their natural abilities in favor of building in the holes of their game. And eventually, it seems like neither game really feels as comfortable or can be sustained.

Interesting point. I think the same happened to Coria. They tried to change his game and made a mess.

Sjengster
07-19-2007, 02:02 AM
I'll never understand why someone thought it was a good idea to try and get Coria to serve harder, at 5'9" it's never going to be a major weapon for him even if he puts everything into it, and it's not as if his original serve was vastly attackable. The percentages were always very high, giving opponents hardly any look at second serves, and he mixed up speed and placement well keeping them off balance. Heck, his second serve was hardly that vulnerable considering how solid he was off the ground, I'm sure he was very high in the second serve points won statistics during 2003 or 2004.

gusman890
07-19-2007, 02:56 AM
Gonzo's slice reminds me of Roddick's from last year.

If your too afraid to hit a damn backhand, then dont play a baby shot then.

Merton
07-19-2007, 04:56 AM
Excellent points here, I just would like to see him making it at the TMC, for that he will need to recover his confidence, the problem is that it is something of a vicious cycle, he needs results to recover his confidence and he needs confidence to produce results.

zicofirol
07-19-2007, 05:16 AM
someone already said it here but ill repeat it, his backhand slice is not even semi-aggressive its not low its this blooper slice that bounces high... completely useless...

jazar
07-19-2007, 07:45 AM
his slice just floats. you cant fully appreciate how bad it is by watching on tv, you actually have to be there to realise that it is incredibly shit. it just sits there waiting to be hit

Action Jackson
07-19-2007, 07:58 AM
He needs a new topspin backhand technique for starters, and an attacking slice if hes going to use it that much.

Yes, the topspin backhand when he is confident works well, but other times there is more frame than an art gallery.

Halba
07-19-2007, 09:43 AM
Yes, the topspin backhand when he is confident works well, but other times there is more frame than an art gallery.

get a fikkikn backhand fena. :wavey:

stebs
07-19-2007, 05:35 PM
Yes, the topspin backhand when he is confident works well, but other times there is more frame than an art gallery.

As far as I recal Gonzalez has never had a consistent topspin backhand, confidence or no confidence. His backhand is either the slice we seem to see all the time or a flat one, he occasionally puts a tincy bit of spin on it but rarely.

Action Jackson
07-19-2007, 05:41 PM
As far as I recal Gonzalez has never had a consistent topspin backhand, confidence or no confidence. His backhand is either the slice we seem to see all the time or a flat one, he occasionally puts a tincy bit of spin on it but rarely.

You know when he is playing well when his backhands go in and yes that includes hitting topspin backhands, it doesn't happen often enough.

martine2
07-19-2007, 05:59 PM
this is a little unrelated, but how often does getting a new coach in the hope of revolutionizing your game work?

I think it became detrimental for Fena (how do i make the right 'n'?) and others (including Andy Roddick and Gilbert) by sacrificing a lot of their natural abilities in favor of building in the holes of their game. And eventually, it seems like neither game really feels as comfortable or can be sustained.

I don't know which keyboard you have but on AZERTY it is like this:

First push "Alt Gr" and "+ = ~"(next to the Shift at the right) at the same time and then type "n"

leng jai
07-20-2007, 01:25 AM
His backhand will never be consistent because the technique is poor. Virtually no footwork and hes standing almost upright when he strikes the ball.

The_Nadal_effect
08-30-2007, 06:04 PM
His backhand slice a problem? Yes.
The only problem? No.
I doubt if its something personal because most athletes at that level exercise sufficient mental control, but if its not the issue, then what's gone wrong with him? Is he going to do a post-2005 Safin???:eek:
Popular opinion says that the Fena we saw (I actually caught him playing only at the AO onwards)in Jan was an improvement.

If he is actually going through another slump, then it might be alright to call the run at AO a fluke and not an improvement. I hope he gets back in 'form' though.

I pulled out this quote from the other thread coz it really covers it all.
Remember earlier this year when people said Gonzo would push Nadal for the number two spot? That's funny now but in a really sad way.

Forehander
08-30-2007, 06:09 PM
he's a very stiff braindead player with a terrible backhand. His forehand simply is just isn't as good as everybody thinks it is. He's trying too hard to play the game inside the book but not playing his natural tennis.

rofe
08-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Gonzo is going through a slump similar to Baghdatis where his own expectations have become his worst enemy. He admitted that his confidence is simply not there. Hopefully he will rebound soon.

The_Nadal_effect
08-30-2007, 06:32 PM
Gonzo is going through a slump similar to Baghdatis where his own expectations have become his worst enemy. He admitted that his confidence is simply not there. Hopefully he will rebound soon.

Thanks Rofe! Was thinking along the same lines. After that run at AO, his demands from himself might have gone very high, and since he could not live up to it in the months that followed, its taken a toll on his confidence and self-belief, resulting in frequent first-round exits.

olimpo
08-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Thanks Rofe! Was thinking along the same lines. After that run at AO, his demands from himself might have gone very high, and since he could not live up to it in the months that followed, its taken a toll on his confidence and self-belief, resulting in frequent first-round exits.

That’s what I have been thinking too because most of the times he never did well in a tournament he had high expectations of before. Most of his great runs came suddenly and quite unexpected (like Wimby 2005 for instance) And of course with THAT start to the year he had his expectations high up and now with all these bad defeats the confidence is gone.

By the way thanks for this thread which I only found when it was bumped for the first time because I was away (actually at Wimbledon) when it was started. It was a great read with some really interesting and excellent analysis and points in here.

I just hope that he’ll find a way out of this slump very soon – he deserves it.

r2473
08-30-2007, 07:54 PM
(Was Gonzo's run at AO a fluke?)

In the words of my favorite all-time post on MTF:

"Well start Fena"