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Battle of the balls (Hewitt v/s Canas) - who wins?

rofe
06-28-2007, 08:17 PM
According to some on MTF, these guys have the biggest balls after Nadal.

Hewitt has a 5-2 h2h against Canas and is more comfortable on grass but that was before Canas became "Fed beater" Canas and grass slowed down and got a more predictable bounce.

Who wins?

marcRD
06-28-2007, 08:18 PM
Hewitt has way bigger balls than NAdal and Canas together, Hewitt in 3.

ChinoRios4Ever
06-28-2007, 08:22 PM
CMon in 5

scarecrows
06-28-2007, 08:23 PM
Hewitt in 3

ReturnWinner
06-28-2007, 08:23 PM
:confused:
Hewitt has way bigger balls than NAdal and Canas together, Hewitt in 3.

NYCtennisfan
06-28-2007, 08:23 PM
:lol: at the title. Shouldn't "Sparta wins" be an option?

rofe
06-28-2007, 08:25 PM
:lol: at the title. Shouldn't "Sparta wins" be an option?

Darn. I knew I had missed something. ;)

guga2120
06-28-2007, 08:31 PM
Little Lleyton wins this. He has as good of chance as anybody to get to the final in the bottom half.

alfonsojose
06-28-2007, 08:34 PM
Lleyton has the biggest cock out there :drool:

jayjay
06-28-2007, 08:38 PM
Hewitt 4.

marcRD
06-28-2007, 08:43 PM
:confused:

Hewitt-Nadal 4-3
Hewitt Canas 5-2

Hewitts balls>Canas, Nadal

Also consider that Canas balls should be shrinking now with all that juicing...

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 08:47 PM
Hewitt, straights. (Long been a predictor that hewitt is a finalist this year, before the draw came out).

Bilbo
06-28-2007, 08:50 PM
Sir Lleyton Hewitt in 4

NYCtennisfan
06-28-2007, 09:03 PM
Hewitt in 4 but if really on his game then 3.

Voo de Mar
06-28-2007, 09:05 PM
Hewitt in 5.

marcRD
06-28-2007, 09:14 PM
In MTF there is this crazy thought that if you run alot on the court and shout vamos/cmon you have big balls and the players who play that way are the only ones with cajones. When actualy high risk tennis there are alot more balls involved than Canas safe play where he is more happy beeing outplayed and losing (like against Davydenko in RG) than risking to miss a shot. Canas has no balls at all, the guy is a total coward, if you want balls go see tapes of old Pete serving 120 mph 2nd serves.

jazar
06-28-2007, 09:28 PM
i saw canas in the first round. he wasnt that impressive. come on will triumph

Pea
06-28-2007, 09:30 PM
Canas with the upset.

rocketassist
06-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Tennis is about match ups and a fellow grinder doesn't suit Hewitt too well compared to a net rusher. I predict a marathon.

RagingLamb
06-28-2007, 09:35 PM
i'll pick racist balls vs. drug-controversy balls, to my dismay, I think racist balls has the advantage on this surface.

Fergie
06-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Lleyton in 3 :yeah:

Halba
06-28-2007, 09:36 PM
lleyton to show some grass court form - 3 sets

Mr. Magassi
06-28-2007, 09:46 PM
Latent Hewitt will win this one for sure... ;)

SixPack
06-28-2007, 10:04 PM
Canas wins this in 5 sets:

7-6(4), 2-6, 5-7, 7-6(5), 6-3

Jim Courier
06-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Balls won't matter, on grass Hewitt will probably win.

cmurray
06-28-2007, 10:08 PM
Hewitt I'd say.

cmurray
06-28-2007, 10:10 PM
Lleyton has the biggest cock out there :drool:

:lol: So the legend goes..... ;)

Marek.
06-28-2007, 10:12 PM
In MTF there is this crazy thought that if you run alot on the court and shout vamos/cmon you have big balls and the players who play that way are the only ones with cajones. When actualy high risk tennis there are alot more balls involved than Canas safe play where he is more happy beeing outplayed and losing (like against Davydenko in RG) than risking to miss a shot. Canas has no balls at all, the guy is a total coward, if you want balls go see tapes of old Pete serving 120 mph 2nd serves.

Agreed. When things get tight for Nadal he just loops everything over also. Hewitt has way bigger balls than either of those two. I've seen Hewitt go for aces on his second serve before. Even when "no balls" Federer is down, he goes for winners (although he can make a mess out of it sometimes.)

OT: Hewitt in four or five. He shouldn't be losing this match.

Allure
06-28-2007, 10:19 PM
Looks like I'm in the minority but Canas in five.:cool:

Castafiore
06-28-2007, 10:22 PM
Canas has no balls at all, the guy is a total coward, if you want balls go see tapes of old Pete serving 120 mph 2nd serves.
:scratch:
What does having a fantastic serve and knowing in advance what sort of damage that can do have to do with courage? What does knowing that even your second serve can blast your opponent off court have to do with courage?


To me, courage is knowing that you're in for a tough fight and still coming up with the goods and fight for every single point.
I think that you're equalling "winners" too much with "courage". Sure, it's part of it. It takes courage to change things, to change tactics when you're down but it's not only that. Showing courage in a match is not always about hitting winners. It's sometimes also about defending well, not holding back and wait for an opening to strike back. Canas can do that.


Not getting into this balls argument any further, though so about the match:
Hewitt in 4.

marcRD
06-28-2007, 10:23 PM
Agreed. When things get tight for Nadal he just loops everything over also. Hewitt has way bigger balls than either of those two. I've seen Hewitt go for aces on his second serve before. Even when "no balls" Federer is down, he goes for winners (although he can make a mess out of it sometimes.)

OT: Hewitt in four or five. He shouldn't be losing this match.

Hewitt has the biggest balls on the tour right now, there is no doubt about that. You can also see Hewitt constantly changing tactics if things doesnt go his way in matches, he has the balls to play outside his comfort zone. I wont say too much about Nadal, he can go for winners sometimes in important points, but too often he is afraid of changing his style when players are playing him around and he often get a little nervous hitting double faults and some UEs more than normaly when things get tight. Canas is a mess, the juice has shrinken his balls to a point where I wonder if they even exist, his game is all about 0 risktaking and hoping for his opponent to miss sometime.

marcRD
06-28-2007, 10:31 PM
:scratch:
What does having a fantastic serve and knowing in advance what sort of damage that can do have to do with courage? What does knowing that even your second serve can blast your opponent off court have to do with courage?


To me, courage is knowing that you're in for a tough fight and still coming up with the goods and fight for every single point.


Not getting into this balls argument any further, though so about the match:
Hewitt in 4.

No having balls is about beeing brave, that is taking risks. If you run and run and hit safe balls in the middle of the court all the time it is not fighting it is your tenns style. If you run 4 meters behind the baseline after every ball it may seem that you are fighting while if you are trying to hit difficult shots like Federer trying to hit aggresive backhands on the bounce on clay against Nadal above the shoulder and missing alot it may seem like you dont care, but that is obviously not the case.

Having balls is to take risks in important points, it is to block all your fears and play absolutely brilliant points at the most important moments. Do you think Canas had bigger balls than Sampras? That Canas is more of a competitor than Sampras was?

If you really think so you are a funny guy.

OZTENNIS
06-28-2007, 10:38 PM
Hewitt in 4

Castafiore
06-28-2007, 10:42 PM
Having balls is to take risks in important points, do you think Canas had bigger balls than Sampras? That Canas is more of a competitor than Sampras was?
Erm...that's not necessarily what I said. You can't argue with what Sampras has accomplished and you can't deny that he was a great competitor.

Still leaves my question:
What does having a strong serve and knowing in advance that you have the security to blast your opponents off court even with your second serve have to do with courage?
To me, that's like saying that it takes courage for one guy to attack another guy with a superior weapon knowing in advance that B won't be able to reply the attack.


But have it your way. It's late here and I need some sleep so I'm not looking for an argument. I will just say one thing to finish this: I agree with you that Hewitt has shown some great courage in quite a few matches. The man is a fighter and it's one reason why I'm a fan of him. :)

Gonzalo81
06-28-2007, 11:48 PM
Come on in 4

marcRD
06-29-2007, 12:52 AM
Erm...that's not necessarily what I said. You can't argue with what Sampras has accomplished and you can't deny that he was a great competitor.

Still leaves my question:
What does having a strong serve and knowing in advance that you have the security to blast your opponents off court even with your second serve have to do with courage?
To me, that's like saying that it takes courage for one guy to attack another guy with a superior weapon knowing in advance that B won't be able to reply the attack.


But have it your way. It's late here and I need some sleep so I'm not looking for an argument. I will just say one thing to finish this: I agree with you that Hewitt has shown some great courage in quite a few matches. The man is a fighter and it's one reason why I'm a fan of him. :)

Canas has stamina and a style of game which takes alot of running, I have never seen signs of him having great nerves or having courage.

Sampras hit his most extrordinary points when he was under pressure. He served better, he volleyed better and so on. Sampras 2nd serve wasnt like his 1st serve unlike some tennis fans seems to think, it was attackable and with a great returner on the other side ready to attack you putting an avarage 2nd serve would only be done if Sampras hoped for his opponent to hit a bad return and thereby leting his opponent to decide the match.

Trying to ace on your 2nd serve should only be done in some few occasions, you have 70% to get it in if you are a good server and your opponent will be ready to attack a normal 2nd serve. It is a risky thing to do and you need to be in perfect balance with your nerves, most player get nervous and serve worse in these moments (including Federer) but Sampras just got more concentrated and served like a monster and never missed a volley.

It is not an "ability" he had to serve up aces on 2nd serves it was a nescessary risk he take to not let the opponent be in charge in important points.

User ID 29337
06-29-2007, 01:46 AM
Canas in 4

ExpectedWinner
06-29-2007, 03:49 AM
Hewitt's balls couldn't have been detected through a magnifying glass for about two years, but hopefully he'll take this one.

World Beater
06-29-2007, 04:44 AM
Canas has stamina and a style of game which takes alot of running, I have never seen signs of him having great nerves or having courage.

Sampras hit his most extrordinary points when he was under pressure. He served better, he volleyed better and so on. Sampras 2nd serve wasnt like his 1st serve unlike some tennis fans seems to think, it was attackable and with a great returner on the other side ready to attack you putting an avarage 2nd serve would only be done if Sampras hoped for his opponent to hit a bad return and thereby leting his opponent to decide the match.

Trying to ace on your 2nd serve should only be done in some few occasions, you have 70% to get it in if you are a good server and your opponent will be ready to attack a normal 2nd serve. It is a risky thing to do and you need to be in perfect balance with your nerves, most player get nervous and serve worse in these moments (including Federer) but Sampras just got more concentrated and served like a monster and never missed a volley.

It is not an "ability" he had to serve up aces on 2nd serves it was a nescessary risk he take to not let the opponent be in charge in important points.


exactly. the difference between sampras and canas, nadal etc is that sampras played better on the big points- he rose to the occasion. Canas and nadal play the big points like they play any other point - i.e. they dont play the score as much and definately do not panic. Although nadal of 2007 is more aggressive and takes more chanes on big pts on clay at least.

its not as if sampras was hitting 2nd serve aces all the time.

Action Jackson
06-29-2007, 04:46 AM
Hewitt.

World Beater
06-29-2007, 04:46 AM
hewitt has bigger balls than any other player. Nadal has physical superiority and athletic ability over almost everyone. Federer has the skill and other players have more weapons.

but this guy still beat sampras in his prime, he beat kuerten on clay, and even with his limited game he can challenge nadal and federer on their respective favorite surfaces. he is the ultimate fighter. People are fooling themselves if they think nadal is tougher than hewitt.

roddick is also a great competitor considering his limitations as well.

bad gambler
06-29-2007, 04:47 AM
Rusty

dylan24
06-29-2007, 04:58 AM
hewitt is going to send this fucking cheater back home to argentenia
lleyton in 3

BlakeorHenman
06-29-2007, 06:12 AM
I can't see Canas winning a set. Maybe one set, but in a tiebreak. After like 3 bad calls.

BlakeorHenman
06-29-2007, 06:13 AM
I can't see Canas winning a set. Maybe one set, but in a tiebreak. After like 3 bad calls.

Castafiore
06-29-2007, 06:37 AM
Sampras hit his most extrordinary points when he was under pressure. He served better, he volleyed better and so on.
Thanks for your answer!

Sampras had a mighty weapon and he was a great competitor with that serve amongst other things but I still don't see his serve as the ultimate example of courage knowing all too well how good it was. So, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

martine2
06-29-2007, 07:40 AM
Hewitt is the favourite here, certainly on grass.
But Cañas won't just hand him the match. He'll fight until the end, just like he always does.
I hope he surprises everybody :angel:
Vamos Willy!

marcRD
06-29-2007, 10:08 AM
My definition of balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wPdO72nSs

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 10:32 AM
C'mon Lleyton ! :cool:

selyoink
06-29-2007, 03:39 PM
Lleyton will crush him in three sets.

RagingLamb
06-29-2007, 03:52 PM
My definition of balls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_wPdO72nSs

still unbelievable every time I watch it.

Norrage
07-02-2007, 09:43 PM
What is this match coming to?? Havent seen one bit of it, but I am surprised to see Canas winning a set, and even in such a straightforward scoreline!
Seemed like Lleyton was getting the upperhand again, but play was suspended at breakpoint against him....
What are the predictions after these sets?

rocketassist
07-02-2007, 10:16 PM
Hewitt doesn't play a style of tennis that will crush a guy like Canas. I'm amazed people don't see this.

R.Federer
07-02-2007, 10:58 PM
Hewitt, straights. (Long been a predictor that hewitt is a finalist this year, before the draw came out).

Nice call, genius. :rolleyes:

Norrage
07-03-2007, 07:55 AM
Hewitt doesn't play a style of tennis that will crush a guy like Canas. I'm amazed people don't see this.

Canas doesnt have a game to hurt Hewitt either...Hewitt usually loses to players who blow him off the court. Canas cant do that at all.

VolandriFan
07-03-2007, 08:01 AM
So far Hewitt is winning, but he's barely been able to close out points against Willy. He's not coming to the net often enough, and Willy is doing just what he has to to get under Hewitt's skin. If Willy can hang in there and get those wide forehands back into play, he'll eventually be able to break through, but I'd like to see him do more with his approach shots. The backhand has been solid so far, and Canas is the superior athlete if it makes it to five, which is likely.

CmonAussie
07-03-2007, 08:01 AM
Nice call, genius. :rolleyes:


:wavey:
The rain delays haven`t helped Hewitt at all:sad:
->>>
Llegs thrives on momentum & playing 2-sets in 5-days doesn`t give you much momentum;)
Still if he can get through this Canas encounter he`s still a good shot to make the final:cool:

CmonAussie
07-03-2007, 08:03 AM
So far Hewitt is winning, but he's barely been able to close out points against Willy. He's not coming to the net often enough, and Willy is doing just what he has to to get under Hewitt's skin. If Willy can hang in there and get those wide forehands back into play, he'll eventually be able to break through, but I'd like to see him do more with his approach shots. The backhand has been solid so far, and Canas is the superior athlete if it makes it to five, which is likely.

:wavey:
Do you really think Canas is a better chance of winning if this match goes 5-sets:confused:
-->>
Hewitt`s maybe the best 5-set player going around [24-10]:cool:
What`s Willy`s 5-set record:confused:


PS. The last time Hewitt/Canas played 5-sets Llegs was the winner [2001 FO Rd.4]<:)

Norrage
07-03-2007, 08:15 AM
:wavey:
Do you really think Canas is a better chance of winning if this match goes 5-sets:confused:
-->>
Hewitt`s maybe the best 5-set player going around [24-10]:cool:
What`s Willy`s 5-set record:confused:


PS. The last time Hewitt/Canas played 5-sets Llegs was the winner [2001 FO Rd.4]<:)

That time Canas wasnt doped ;)

VolandriFan
07-03-2007, 08:20 AM
:wavey:
Do you really think Canas is a better chance of winning if this match goes 5-sets:confused:
-->>
Hewitt`s maybe the best 5-set player going around [24-10]:cool:
What`s Willy`s 5-set record:confused:


PS. The last time Hewitt/Canas played 5-sets Llegs was the winner [2001 FO Rd.4]<:)

Hewitt does have an impeccable 5 set record, but when was the last 5 setter he played? Also, I don't recall any of his 5 set matches going beyond 7-5 for a long time, which can be put down to his mental strength, but there's no way to know just how fit he is. What I do know is that Canas worked very hard on his conditioning while off the tour. If it came down to it, I think he presently has more stamina than Hewitt.

CmonAussie
07-03-2007, 09:01 AM
Hewitt does have an impeccable 5 set record, but when was the last 5 setter he played? Also, I don't recall any of his 5 set matches going beyond 7-5 for a long time, which can be put down to his mental strength, but there's no way to know just how fit he is. What I do know is that Canas worked very hard on his conditioning while off the tour. If it came down to it, I think he presently has more stamina than Hewitt.


Hewitt`s played four 5-set matches this year;)
Llegs last 5-setter was at FO~~ where he defeated Gaudio in Rd.2:cool:
Also he defeated Rochos in Belgium [DC] & Russel [AO] this year in 5-setters!

VolandriFan
07-03-2007, 09:12 AM
Hewitt`s played four 5-set matches this year;)
Llegs last 5-setter was at FO~~ where he defeated Gaudio in Rd.2:cool:
Also he defeated Rochos in Belgium [DC] & Russel [AO] this year in 5-setters!

Ok, those aren't exactly good five set players. Gaston was lucky to even win sets in that frame of mind, Rochus is unfit, and Russel was already cramping in the fourth set.

Action Jackson
07-03-2007, 09:24 AM
Hewitt is a better 5 set player than Canas, but this match will be lucky to go 5 sets.

Actually the RG TB in 2002 where Canas won 13-11 or 15-13, was high quality stuff. Hewitt was number 1 then and Canas on the way up and the way they fought in that TB, was like 2 bald guys fighting over a comb to get last that piece of hair. Once Willy won that, he broke Hewitt's spirit.

Back to this match, Hewitt always has the advantage on grass in their match up as long as he plays to his potential.

stebs
07-03-2007, 09:54 AM
Hewitt is a better 5 set player than Canas, but this match will be lucky to go 5 sets.

Actually the RG TB in 2002 where Canas won 13-11 or 15-13, was high quality stuff. Hewitt was number 1 then and Canas on the way up and the way they fought in that TB, was like 2 bald guys fighting over a comb to get last that piece of hair. Once Willy won that, he broke Hewitt's spirit.

Back to this match, Hewitt always has the advantage on grass in their match up as long as he plays to his potential.

:worship: :lol:

As for the match, Canas will win this only if Hewitt comes out tomorrow and plays terribly for the remainder of the match. fact is Hewitt is better than Canas and stamina shouldn't play a part so I don't know what the fuss is about.

Rogiman
07-03-2007, 09:57 AM
The fact that this match is close is yet another proof of the disgraceful state of grasscourt tennis these days.

martine2
07-03-2007, 11:05 AM
Hewitt is the favourite on grass surface, but I'm glad it's been a close match so far and who knows Willy'll surprise everyone... (anyway, that's what I'm hoping for) :angel:

stebs
07-03-2007, 12:01 PM
The fact that this match is close is yet another proof of the disgraceful state of grasscourt tennis these days.

I watched a fair amount of this match yesterday (flicking on BBCi) and Canas was a lot more agressive and of course h was still running balls down but there was a good deal of agression and the forehand was being used to pin Hewitt back. Add that to a good serve and a strong mental state and you have a perfectly good grass player. Hewitt should still be winning this comfortably but it isn't as disgraceful as you state.

leng jai
07-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Its easy to see Hewitt coming out and playing too defensively and falling to a 2 sets to 1 deficit. As usual once hes about to lose he'll grind out the big points and c'mon everyone's ears off on match point.

Action Jackson
07-03-2007, 12:44 PM
:worship: :lol:

As for the match, Canas will win this only if Hewitt comes out tomorrow and plays terribly for the remainder of the match. fact is Hewitt is better than Canas and stamina shouldn't play a part so I don't know what the fuss is about.

This is the case for sure, Hewitt is still the favourite for this match and on grass he should always be over Canas.

Stamina is definitely going to play a part, though mentally not physically with all the interruptions.

ExcaliburII
07-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Willy will clinch it in 5.

Rafa = Fed Killa
07-03-2007, 01:29 PM
Hewitt's balls couldn't have been detected through a magnifying glass for about two years, but hopefully he'll take this one.

Sadly True.

His balls have prob shrunk over the past few years.

rofe
07-03-2007, 03:55 PM
Heh, heh expected win. A majority of MTF called good on this one (including me).