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Safin - Federer

Mateya
06-28-2007, 12:22 PM
:devil:

Fed in 5

marcRD
06-28-2007, 12:23 PM
Fed in 3, maybe Safin will take him to a tiebreak.

scarecrows
06-28-2007, 12:23 PM
Federer in 3 or 4

Or Levy
06-28-2007, 12:23 PM
Rog in 3.

Sunset of Age
06-28-2007, 12:24 PM
Rogi in three if he plays like today.

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 12:26 PM
:o Against all odds I stick with Marat! :angel: 3-2 Nothing easy regarding Marat!! :awww:
:)

qczi
06-28-2007, 12:28 PM
fed in 3 easy sets

steph2790
06-28-2007, 12:28 PM
Safin 5.
Mainly cause hes in good form, and im biased :p

Byrd
06-28-2007, 12:32 PM
Fed in 3, Safin was struggling with Qureshi Lol

yjyjyj
06-28-2007, 12:33 PM
fed in 4.. >,.<

MariaV
06-28-2007, 12:36 PM
Tremble you all Fedtards! :rocker: :banana:

elessar
06-28-2007, 12:37 PM
Lol at the 4 who voted for Safin, I would love for it to be a good match but unfortunatly I think it's gonna be the kind of overhyped matchs that end up very disappointing...

jazar
06-28-2007, 12:39 PM
6-3, 7-6, 6-3 to federer

Halba
06-28-2007, 12:39 PM
straights easy. too big a gap between players imho

Byrd
06-28-2007, 12:40 PM
Safin needs fans with lower expectations, LoL @ poll.

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 12:43 PM
Safin needs fans with lower expectations, LoL @ poll.

:o I've been that one, but sometimes I have some brain storms!! :p

RonE
06-28-2007, 12:44 PM
I think too many people are taking this match a little too casually. This could be a tough one for Roger.

MariaV
06-28-2007, 12:46 PM
I think too many people are taking this match a little too casually. This could be a tough one for Roger.

Ron has seen the light. ;) :wavey:
I just hope this will be a nice match. :D

selyoink
06-28-2007, 12:47 PM
Federer is going to mop the floor with Safin in three sets.

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 12:48 PM
Right Maria! I'm just looking forward for a good match on centre court live ont TV! ;)

maria_marie
06-28-2007, 12:48 PM
you wish!davai nameless it's the time to prove you're still alive. 5 set win for marat

elessar
06-28-2007, 12:51 PM
I think too many people are taking this match a little too casually. This could be a tough one for Roger.

I hope you're right because most of their matchs have been really good (and at least two of them were great) and it would be a shame for it to be a beating but given their form I'd be surprised to see Marat taking a set

RonE
06-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Ron has seen the light. ;)

Master R=FK Kenobi has taught me well.

AnnaK_4ever
06-28-2007, 12:51 PM
Roger in straights.

Byrd
06-28-2007, 12:52 PM
Slice=Death Of Safin

elessar
06-28-2007, 12:52 PM
Master R=FK Kenobi has taught me well.

You've finally crossed over to the light side of the force :tape:

RonE
06-28-2007, 12:54 PM
Slice=Death Of Safin

Did Roger use the slice often against JMDP (I didn't see the match)?

anon57
06-28-2007, 12:55 PM
I think Federer will win but if Safin actually decides to show up with his head and brain intact it could be a very difficult match for Federer

cmurray
06-28-2007, 12:56 PM
I doubt very highly if Marat will beat The Federer, but it would sure be nice to see some good tennis which Marat is still capable of producing.

W!MBLEDON
06-28-2007, 12:57 PM
Federer 6-2, 6-3, 6-2.

Sofonda Cox
06-28-2007, 12:58 PM
Safin wins 6/0 - 4/1 ret. :D

Byrd
06-28-2007, 01:00 PM
Did Roger use the slice often against JMDP (I didn't see the match)?

Yea he threw it in quite a bit, usually when he was on the run and del potro couldn't really do anything with it as it was so low and had nothing on it. Safin was struggling with Qureshis slices today as well.

Uraitan
06-28-2007, 01:00 PM
Federer in 3 !!! :rocker2:

7-6 7-5 7-5 !!!

GO ROGER !!! :D

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 01:01 PM
:lol:

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 01:10 PM
The most talented player ever will win in 3, davai Marat !

Blue Heart24
06-28-2007, 01:11 PM
6-3 6-2 6-4 for Fed.

Dilara
06-28-2007, 01:14 PM
Fed in 3 :shrug:
I hope Marat will give him a good match though:awww:

dkw
06-28-2007, 01:16 PM
I know Safin doesn't have a chance but I voted for him anyways... it's just a random poll right :shrug:

t0x
06-28-2007, 01:20 PM
I like both Fed and Safin, but Fed will win this easily. Safin's movement just isn't what it used to be and Fed will exploit that. I'm actually impressed Safin managed R3... Fed 6:3 6:2 6:4 - easy straight sets.

I hope Safin manages to nick a set though.

tochilka
06-28-2007, 01:34 PM
as much as i love Marat I think he will lose that in straights(

nanoman
06-28-2007, 01:40 PM
Hmmm, Let's see... "The most talented player ever" vs. "The Ego King who only win matches because his opponents are too afraid to win".
Safin in 3 if he is motivated. A match against the former champ at 'mere' Wimbledon Centre Court may not be worthy of his divine efforts though, so there is still hope for the Ego King.

Baghdatis72
06-28-2007, 02:08 PM
I voted Safin just for fun :p

El Legenda
06-28-2007, 02:09 PM
6-4 6-2 6-3 Roger :smoke:

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 02:11 PM
Still think Fed in 3, maybe one tight set.

safinalium
06-28-2007, 02:19 PM
WOW WOW WOW i don't believe that this is really happening. good luck, marat. :hug: he probably won't win but a nice game and taking a set would be fine. :wavey:

sykotique
06-28-2007, 02:24 PM
As a former #1 and 2 time Slam winner, Marat's first goal should be to make sure he doesn't embarass himself. I like him, but he's in no way, shape or form ready to go toe-to-toe with Federer, not on this surface, not at this tournament and not as this stage in his career. If he can win a tiebreaker and make it interesting, I will be quite satisfied.

Fumus
06-28-2007, 02:26 PM
Don't bet against Safin...I remember the last time these two played on grass.

Fergie
06-28-2007, 02:28 PM
Rogi in 5 and saving 10 MP :angel:

sykotique
06-28-2007, 02:28 PM
Don't bet against Safin...I remember the last time these two played on grass.

Wasn't that at Halle where everyone took a set off Roger and Rochus had matchpoints?

EDIT: No, actually, that was the year prior, when Marat reached the final.

AnnaK_4ever
06-28-2007, 02:40 PM
Don't bet against Safin...I remember the last time these two played on grass.

Roger should have won in straights back then. He outplayed Safin completely. Even Marat admitted it.

Sofyaxo
06-28-2007, 02:44 PM
Roger in three or four. :sad:

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 02:49 PM
By H2H on Grass: Federer
By form this year: Federer
By past success at Wimbledon: 4 time champion versus one-time QF+ 2x R128 + 3x R64
By matchup: even in general, but not even on grass (a few low slices for the big guy to bend down, and he might get mad).

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 02:50 PM
Don't bet against Safin...I remember the last time these two played on grass.
Many roddick fans pinning their hopes on safin suddenly :angel:

MarieS
06-28-2007, 02:54 PM
People are actually voting for Safin :speakles:

~EMiLiTA~
06-28-2007, 02:54 PM
Roger in 3, maybe 4

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-28-2007, 02:56 PM
Federer in easy 3

tangerine_dream
06-28-2007, 02:56 PM
I doubt very highly if Marat will beat The Federer, but it would sure be nice to see some good tennis which Marat is still capable of producing.
I agree. I hope this is as fun a match-up as it looks on paper.

the cat
06-28-2007, 03:01 PM
Federer in straight sets. :(

sykotique
06-28-2007, 03:02 PM
By H2H on Grass: Federer
By form this year: Federer
By past success at Wimbledon: 4 time champion versus one-time QF+ 2x R128 + 3x R64
By matchup: even in general, but not even on grass (a few low slices for the big guy to bend down, and he might get mad).

You forgot the most important X Factor - Marat is the most talented player in the universe since Jesus gave up tennis for soul-saving and can beat anyone when he is on. That's all that needs to be said.

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 03:04 PM
You forgot the most important X Factor - Marat is the most talented player in the universe since Jesus gave up tennis for soul-saving and can beat anyone when he is on. That's all that needs to be said.

:p

Mistaflava
06-28-2007, 03:12 PM
how can there be 34 idiots who think Safin will win?

if someone told you clowns that you're not a real Safin fan unless you jump in front of a moving train, I can guarantee 99% of you would probably do it.

i am now convinced that Safin, not Federer or Nadal, has the dumbest fans by far in tennis.

RagingLamb
06-28-2007, 03:20 PM
RF in 3

cmurray
06-28-2007, 03:20 PM
Many roddick fans pinning their hopes on safin suddenly :angel:

Indeed. :lol:

gillian
06-28-2007, 03:38 PM
My two favorites playing each other at Wimbledon. It is both dream and nightmare for me.

FedFan_2007
06-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Safinator to take down the arrogant Swiss in 3 easy sets. 6-0, 6-0, 6-1(Safinator showing a bit of pity on the Fedboy giving him a game).

Hola Mr. SK
06-28-2007, 03:44 PM
Fed for sure, but really hope Safin steps up on this one,at least make some trouble to the grass king!
Davai Marat!:yeah:

cmurray
06-28-2007, 03:45 PM
Roger had some complimentary things to say about Marat in his interview with Chris Fowler. He basically said he hopes Marat doesn't have a good day because he's one of the few guys that can beat Roger even if Roger is playing well.

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 04:01 PM
how can there be 34 idiots who think Safin will win?

if someone told you clowns that you're not a real Safin fan unless you jump in front of a moving train, I can guarantee 99% of you would probably do it.

i am now convinced that Safin, not Federer or Nadal, has the dumbest fans by far in tennis.

Might be, but as far as I'm concern for every poll or every election there is alwasy an oppositon, and it can be either right or wrong, on behalf of democracy all opinions should be respected!!

Ps: Even I voting for Marat, cause I'm "a real fan", I would never jump in front of a moving train, as much as I love watching tennis, life goes further then that, and I still have much to do, so I praise that! :p

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 04:08 PM
Indeed. :lol:
Truth is, players like Haas and Kiefer would give Federer some fits if/when they meet. If haas wasn't injured, THAT match would be very entertaining I think.
This Fed-safin match will be entertaining regardless because of nontennis matters. Such as rackets flying. Rackets thrown so hard, that the crud flies up and the grass managers get nervous.

Mistaflava
06-28-2007, 04:10 PM
how can there be 34 idiots who think Safin will win?

if someone told you clowns that you're not a real Safin fan unless you jump in front of a moving train, I can guarantee 99% of you would probably do it.

i am now convinced that Safin, not Federer or Nadal, has the dumbest fans by far in tennis.


Safinator to take down the arrogant Swiss in 3 easy sets. 6-0, 6-0, 6-1(Safinator showing a bit of pity on the Fedboy giving him a game).



It really didn't take long for one of these dilusional ass clowns to prove my points.

Pfloyd
06-28-2007, 04:11 PM
True, all that voted for Safin is because they are fans of him. Federer is clear fvoite, and Marat has to opponents on the court: Federer and himself.

On a sidenote, if there ever was a player capable of doing some crazy-ass match once in a blue moon, and cause and upset, it is Safin....

guga2120
06-28-2007, 04:12 PM
I would love to see Marat do something crazy here, but Roger is going to win this easy, in 3. I feel a little bad for Marat.

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 04:13 PM
So many wishful thinkings :lol: :lol:

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 04:14 PM
It really didn't take long for one of these dilusional ass clowns to prove my points.

:o Are you sure about that? Cause for my understanding he /she is monkey it, considering that his/her nickname is FedFan plus is signature shows how he/she supports Roger!

dylan24
06-28-2007, 04:16 PM
this will be federer's toughest match of the tournament.
safin has mad skills.
fed in 4

adynadal
06-28-2007, 04:23 PM
how can there be 34 idiots who think Safin will win?


you are the idiot!!!being so disrespectful to a former world N#1 and his fans:cuckoo: :fiery: !to be a real fan of someone means to always believe in him!no matter who is Marat playing against i believe that he can win!Federer,Qureshi,it doesn`t matter!DAVAI MARAT!!!!:aparty: :aparty: :aparty:

gusman890
06-28-2007, 04:24 PM
should have made the poll public.

tennisgal_001
06-28-2007, 04:26 PM
Federer in straights with two sets going the distance.
The only "realistic" reason why this match is so hyped is not because Safin might pull off the upset, but simply because it's another Federer vs. Safin match--two of the most talented players ever with opposing personalities and atttitudes, who have always provided the fans with exciting matches and beautiful tennis. There's no doubt over the outcome, but more of over HOW it's going to happen. So I suggest the poll be changed to, "Will Safin show up tomorrow and make it a close contest or not?"

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 04:28 PM
you are the idiot!!!being so disrespectful to a former world N#1 and his fans:cuckoo: :fiery: !to be a real fan of someone means to always believe in him!no matter who is Marat playing against i believe that he can win!Federer,Qureshi,it doesn`t matter!DAVAI MARAT!!!!:aparty: :aparty: :aparty:

Being a fan doesn't meen being brainless :rolleyes: I wish Switzerland wins the World Cup (soccer) but would never bet a dime on them vs any top nation... :)

tangerine_dream
06-28-2007, 04:38 PM
how can there be 34 idiots who think Safin will win?

I doubt that many really believe that Safin will win. I think it has more to do with it being one of the MTF Rules that Safin must win every poll. (that *is* a rule, isn't it Blaze? :scratch: and if it isn't, it should be :p )

CyBorg
06-28-2007, 04:51 PM
Being a fan doesn't meen being brainless :rolleyes: I wish Switzerland wins the World Cup (soccer) but would never bet a dime on them vs any top nation... :)

Switzerland has never won the World Cup. Safin has two majors.

Who made you the mayor to decide what is acceptable to cheer for?

Eebex
06-28-2007, 05:08 PM
Fed in 3 easy sets.

Marek.
06-28-2007, 05:17 PM
Federer in four close sets with two going to tie-breaks. I think Safin will show up for this one and try to make it close.

cmurray
06-28-2007, 05:19 PM
Switzerland has never won the World Cup. Safin has two majors.

Who made you the mayor to decide what is acceptable to cheer for?

:worship: :hug:

tcorinna
06-28-2007, 05:19 PM
Fed in 3 :worship: :worship: maybe a tiebreack ;)

GOOOOOOOO FEEEEEEDEEEEEE:)

thehotstuff66
06-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Fed of course but damn it, i love SAFIN...i really do..my two favorite players playing against each other me wants a FED and SAFIN sandwich....ok, too much info....my heart wants fed,my body says Marat, oh what the hell, can they both win, lol?

Allure
06-28-2007, 06:38 PM
Federer in straight sets. Like someone else said, I think it's going to be overhyped and end up being quick and disappointing.

bad gambler
06-28-2007, 06:39 PM
Safin will do well to win more than 12 games

Longshot
06-28-2007, 06:52 PM
Rogi in 5 and saving 10 MP :angel:

= Match of the Year
(and Choke of the Decade by Marat.) :devil:

As for me, Rog in 3. Two of them close sets.

fadou
06-28-2007, 06:53 PM
i'm a safin fan but i'm not crazy: fedex in 3/4 set

Jimnik
06-28-2007, 07:04 PM
Can't wait, it should be a fun match even if it is a little one-sided.
Hopefully Marat won't go too hard on the Fedster. ;)

Mistaflava
06-28-2007, 07:08 PM
you are the idiot!!!being so disrespectful to a former world N#1 and his fans:cuckoo: :fiery: !to be a real fan of someone means to always believe in him!no matter who is Marat playing against i believe that he can win!Federer,Qureshi,it doesn`t matter!DAVAI MARAT!!!!:aparty: :aparty: :aparty:



Exhibit #6

Bilbo
06-28-2007, 07:09 PM
Federer in 3

the answer
06-28-2007, 07:11 PM
Usually when people think that Federer is gonna have difficult match it ends in a slaughter (ex: vs Roddick and Djokovic at the Australian Open 2007 and last year's Wimbledon against Ancic and Gasquet)

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 07:14 PM
Switzerland has never won the World Cup. Safin has two majors.

Who made you the mayor to decide what is acceptable to cheer for?

Cheering for someone is a thing, being delusional is another... :rolleyes: Is Safin anywhere near his "slam level" ?

Hewitt won majors as well, but I wouldn't bet a dime on him defeating Federer or Nadal these days even if I was cheering for him...

tennisgal_001
06-28-2007, 07:15 PM
What the players had to say:

Q. What do you expect from Marat?

ROGER FEDERER: I expect a tough match. I played him in Halle last year in the finals. I had a difficult three setter against him. You know, he's obviously a player who can always upset anybody on any day. I hope he's not going to have one of those crazy good days against me. But I think I can pretty much control also how things are being played on grass. Hopefully I can use my variety against him.


Q. Grass has historically not been your best surface, but you have played Roger very tough on grass, and you beat him before. Nobody quite knows which Marat Safin will be there to play Federer in the next round.

MARAT SAFIN: For me it's another opportunity to play a great match. First of all, for me it's a huge challenge. Centre Court, play against Federer. He's playing pretty well. He's playing great tennis. If I want to have a chance at least to be close to beat him, I have of course to put up my best game, go for it. Also I have nothing to lose because he's the favorite here. He's playing pretty good tennis on grass. It's his best surface, I guess. But also, like I said, I have nothing to lose. I need to play my tennis, stay focused, take my chances. For sure there are going to be. Just wait and see. Of course, why not? Like I said, it's a challenge. Why not?

Q. You mentioned after your first match you weren't very confident. What degree of confidence do you need going into a match against Federer?

MARAT SAFIN: All of it. You need have all of it if you want to compete on the same level as him. You have to bring up your best game. But, of course, the first match is always tough because you kind of nervous, it's a grass court, it's windy, then it's raining, it's stopping, it's raining, it's stopping. All these factors, of course it's pretty tough for the first match to play great tennis and be as confident as you can be. But looks today like I played well, moved quite well. Looking forward for the match.

Q. Where is your level of confidence now?

MARAT SAFIN: There. We'll see tomorrow (smiling).


In other words, Federer: I'll be ready; Safin: Don't count me out yet.

Looking forward to a good match hopefully.

Mistaflava
06-28-2007, 07:20 PM
Cheering for someone is a thing, being delusional is another... :rolleyes: Is Safin anywhere near his "slam level" ?

Hewitt won majors as well, but I wouldn't bet a dime on him defeating Federer or Nadal these days even if I was cheering for him...



Well said...the delusion of Marat fans has gone beyond being ridiculous and now they are all in a state of mental retardation.

Bremen
06-28-2007, 07:30 PM
I voted Fed of course but I won't say I'm not worried a little. Anyway from his comments Fed seems to be taking this very seriously. Still though, why is the number 1 seed meeting number 26 so early? Seems strange.

tennisgal_001
06-28-2007, 07:33 PM
I voted Fed of course but I won't say I'm not worried a little. Anyway from his comments Fed seems to be taking this very seriously. Still though, why is the number 1 seed meeting number 26 so early? Seems strange.

It's the third round (32 players left). According to the seedings, the top 32 seeds should reach the third round. Safin and Federer have both lived up to their seedings and hence it's only proper they play each other in the third round.

CyBorg
06-28-2007, 07:33 PM
Cheering for someone is a thing, being delusional is another... :rolleyes: Is Safin anywhere near his "slam level" ?

Hewitt won majors as well, but I wouldn't bet a dime on him defeating Federer or Nadal these days even if I was cheering for him...

If it makes someone happy they can bet a dime on Safin. Maybe they'll win the lottery. Maybe they'll be happy even if they don't.

Fandom is not a science. It's fun. Lighten up a bit.

RonE
06-28-2007, 07:33 PM
Thinking back to his last four title runs at Wimbledon the third round has always been a stumbling block in some way for Roger:

2003- Mardy Fish- he lost his only set in the tournament
2004- Thomas Johansson who is very good on grass (made it to the semis the following year)
2005- Nicolas Kiefer- like in 2003 lost his only set in the tournament to Kiefer
2006- Noclas Mahut- very good grass courter finalist at Queens this year.

guga2120
06-28-2007, 07:34 PM
Safin just makes way too many errors now, all Roger will have to do is keep the ball in play and he will win in 3 easy.

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 07:36 PM
I voted Fed of course but I won't say I'm not worried a little. Anyway from his comments Fed seems to be taking this very seriously. Still though, why is the number 1 seed meeting number 26 so early? Seems strange.
This is because the top 8 can meet one of the other top 8's only in the 4 quarters. The top 16 can meet each other in various 4th rounds, and top 32 (which includes Fed/safin) can meet each other in 3rds.

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 07:36 PM
If it makes someone happy they can bet a dime on Safin. Maybe they'll win the lottery. Maybe they'll be happy even if they don't.

Fandom is not a science. It's fun. Lighten up a bit.

Whatever :rolleyes: their arrogance is just a bit inappropriate imo... Can't wait to read them tomorrow :)

rocketassist
06-28-2007, 07:38 PM
The thing with Safin is that a match with Federer is just the sort of opposition that he will deem as a worthy challenge and fight tooth and nail to win, which he rarely does these days. I still tip Roger in four sets.

CyBorg
06-28-2007, 07:43 PM
Whatever :rolleyes: their arrogance is just a bit inappropriate imo... Can't wait to read them tomorrow :)

Arrogance? Don't you feel sorry for the Safin fans? I want to give them all a hug myself. They need it.

rofe
06-28-2007, 07:43 PM
Safin just makes way too many errors now, all Roger will have to do is keep the ball in play and he will win in 3 easy.

I disagree. Safin is not the same player he once was but Roger will have to do more than keep the ball in play. As Roger rightly pointed out, he will have to use his variety against Safin. The judicious use of his backhand slice should be in that mix.

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 07:48 PM
Arrogance? Don't you feel sorry for the Safin fans? I want to give them all a hug myself. They need it.

Since their fave is used to lose to average players on a weekly basis, they shouldn't be that embarrassed this time :)

I do feel a bit sorry :hug: just smiled at those who truly think Marat stands a good chance tomorrow... :)

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 07:48 PM
I disagree. Safin is not the same player he once was but Roger will have to do more than keep the ball in play. As Roger rightly pointed out, he will have to use his variety against Safin. The judicious use of his backhand slice should be in that mix.
Yes, many low slices is what he will need to frustrate the tall(er) guy. Safin's movement is not poor at all on grass, given his size. But it has the ingredients which can frustrate him endlessly -- bad bounce, rain, low bounces, skidding.

maria_marie
06-28-2007, 07:48 PM
Being a fan doesn't meen being brainless :rolleyes: I wish Switzerland wins the World Cup (soccer) but would never bet a dime on them vs any top nation... :)

we aren't brainless. you probably thought we were though in the 2005 AO semis but then Marat won so you can never write him off. and as for your swiss soccer team, I;m sorry to say this but they have never been on the same level as Brasil or Italy but I bet you don't stop hoping they can beat a big team someday. Everything happens :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

MariaV
06-28-2007, 07:52 PM
Whatever :rolleyes: their arrogance is just a bit inappropriate imo... Can't wait to read them tomorrow :)

And what arrogance are you talking about, Fed's? :D :wavey:
If it rains tomorrow there might not be much to read! :p They're only 3rd on Center so not sure they get to play tomorrow.
And I heard Fed's got cold so watch out that it won't be you Fedtards weeping after the match. :)

tennisgal_001
06-28-2007, 08:08 PM
And what arrogance are you talking about, Fed's? :D :wavey:
If it rains tomorrow there might not be much to read! :p They're only 3rd on Center so not sure they get to play tomorrow.
And I heard Fed's got cold so watch out that it won't be you Fedtards weeping after the match. :)

Is the OOP out already because it's not on wimbledon.org?

MariaV
06-28-2007, 08:11 PM
Is the OOP out already because it's not on wimbledon.org?

The TV companies are given preliminary OOP on 5 showcourts.

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 08:15 PM
And I heard Fed's got cold so watch out that it won't be you Fedtards weeping after the match. :)

Even in a wheelchair Roger would still steamroll your tall guy... :p :)

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 08:16 PM
Well said...the delusion of Marat fans has gone beyond being ridiculous and now they are all in a state of mental retardation.

Ok! What is wrong with you? :o I'm starting to think that you are the one facing some mental issues!
I'm aware of all the situation that concerns Marat's tennis at the moment, yet I still can choose whether I'll vote in him or not for a winning, even thinking quite the opposite. So I don't know why you are doing such a big deal for Marat having some votes in a poll and therefore calling all his fans of retards!
There will be all kind of fans for all kind of tennis players, always. Each one has its own reasons for liking or disliking one and will not always agree about some subjects, such as victory or not tomorrow, I completely understand that. What I can't stand is why attack someone calling idiot or anyother "nice adjective" just because supports a different player, not one of your favs.
So please, just get over it!
Whatever happens tomorrow both Safin or Roger's fans want to see a nice and good tennis match, if possible like the past ones if not just a good present one. And all of them have the right to believe that their favs will be the winner, it is up to them decide it, let's just respect it.
Fui!:wavey:

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-28-2007, 08:18 PM
Good luck to Marat!!

RonE
06-28-2007, 08:19 PM
I disagree. Safin is not the same player he once was but Roger will have to do more than keep the ball in play. As Roger rightly pointed out, he will have to use his variety against Safin. The judicious use of his backhand slice should be in that mix.

Going back to their 2005 AO semifinal I got the feeling that Roger was trying to hit through Safin much like he did in large parts of their 2004 TMC Houston match. Safin likes that sort of play when the ball is fast coming towards him. He is much less comfortable when he has to hit awkward shots out of court.

Compare those matches to the 2004 AO final where you saw Roger used sharply angled strokes to draw Safin out wide or used the very short BH slice to draw Safin into the net and then set himself up for the passing shot. It is that type of play that has brought him so much success against Safin in the past and he will need to play a Santoro-like game to really get the better of Marat.

ChinoRios4Ever
06-28-2007, 08:19 PM
Fed in 3

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 08:20 PM
Good luck to Marat!!

No need, pure talent doesn't rely on luck :cool:

mir
06-28-2007, 08:22 PM
how can there be 34 idiots who think Safin will win?

if someone told you clowns that you're not a real Safin fan unless you jump in front of a moving train, I can guarantee 99% of you would probably do it.

i am now convinced that Safin, not Federer or Nadal, has the dumbest fans by far in tennis.

It really didn't take long for one of these dilusional ass clowns to prove my points.

I visit GM now and then and stumble across some of your posts. They are always the same!:rolleyes:
You go out of your way to point out how stupid everyone is. A lot of mentaly chalenged people need that to feel better about themselves I guess.
Tis okay :hug:
Btw are you in anyway related to GlennMyrny?


I doubt that many really believe that Safin will win. I think it has more to do with it being one of the MTF Rules that Safin must win every poll. (that *is* a rule, isn't it Blaze? :scratch: and if it isn't, it should be :p )

indeed :lol:


Can't wait, it should be a fun match even if it is a little one-sided.
Hopefully Marat won't go too hard on the Fedster. ;)

:spit:

Well said...the delusion of Marat fans has gone beyond being ridiculous and now they are all in a state of mental retardation.

"sigh" hopeless



If it makes someone happy they can bet a dime on Safin. Maybe they'll win the lottery. Maybe they'll be happy even if they don't.

Fandom is not a science. It's fun. Lighten up a bit.

That's what I thought too :yeah:
Logic,Statistics, common sence, they all are in Fed's favour.
Tennis is a funny game though.

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-28-2007, 08:25 PM
No need, pure talent doesn't rely on luck :cool:
Even pure talent relies on luck at times.

dijus
06-28-2007, 08:25 PM
davaiiiiiii Marat

NasicS
06-28-2007, 08:31 PM
marat will win in 4 or 5 sets. u'ii see.

bokehlicious
06-28-2007, 08:33 PM
Even pure talent relies on luck at times.

Not really when that talent plays someone way less gifted :o

marcRD
06-28-2007, 08:41 PM
The AO 2005 has no meaning in this match. AO is Safins favorite tournament where he has been 3 times to the final and back then Safin was still a great player even if he was inconsistant. Just this year he lost in 4 against Roddick in AO which shows his downfall.

This is wimbledon Federers favorite surface and Federer has even improved his tennis compared to 2005. Federers slices will be more effective, his backhand will be faster and more powerful and his serve is impossible to break on grass (harder than Karlovic). So what will the slower and older Safin do when he faces Federer in his favorite surface (and Marats worst surface), he will be dominated and lose in 3 sets, he may take 1 set to a tiebreak but would probably lose anyway.

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-28-2007, 08:42 PM
Not really when that talent plays someone way less gifted :o
Oh yeh, when Nadal plays Federer :lol:

Last time I checked, sport is not all about talent, there are many more aspects to it. But I don't expect someone like you to understand that.

marcRD
06-28-2007, 09:02 PM
Oh yeh, when Nadal plays Federer :lol:

Last time I checked, sport is not all about talent, there are many more aspects to it. But I don't expect someone like you to understand that.

Nadal is more gifted than most people think. It is just that his talent is suited to clay tennis more than fastcourt tennis. Movement is important in Nadals game but fact is no one can hit shots like he can do and that has not only to do with movement. I would say that Nadal may be more talented than Federer in pure shotmaking on clay, his shots are powerful, aggresive and much more safe to get inside the court than Federers shots on clay.

He is not the greatest ever on clay only by running and fighting shouting vamos you know, his shotselection are perfectly suited to clay.

CyBorg
06-28-2007, 09:07 PM
The AO 2005 has no meaning in this match. AO is Safins favorite tournament where he has been 3 times to the final and back then Safin was still a great player even if he was inconsistant. Just this year he lost in 4 against Roddick in AO which shows his downfall.

This is wimbledon Federers favorite surface and Federer has even improved his tennis compared to 2005. Federers slices will be more effective, his backhand will be faster and more powerful and his serve is impossible to break on grass (harder than Karlovic). So what will the slower and older Safin do when he faces Federer in his favorite surface (and Marats worst surface), he will be dominated and lose in 3 sets, he may take 1 set to a tiebreak but would probably lose anyway.

In regards to AO 2005 - there were indicators that Safin could win. There was foreshadowing. The man was coming off a dominant indoor stage where he took both Madrid and Paris. He was on fire. The Aussie title was not surprising.

I think that what Safin fans are praying for is an Ivanisevic-type "out of nowhere" win. Unfortunately for them, this type of miracle comeback seems unlikely as Ivanisevic won at a time when tennis was in transition with an aging Sampras a too-young Federer and a bunch of parity across the board. What we have today is the complete opposite - two dominant players at the top and everyone else.

What would be nice, however, is for Safin to suck it up and win a master's series. Something like Paris. Also unlikely, but less so than winning a major.

Albop
06-28-2007, 09:08 PM
marat in 5 :rocker2:

Burrow
06-28-2007, 09:12 PM
straights easy. too big a gap between players imho

obviously its your opinion, no need to state it :retard:

federer will win in 3 easy sets. if safin gets lucky he might push him for a set.

gusman890
06-28-2007, 09:14 PM
if safin serves well, he will have a shot.

Bilbo
06-28-2007, 09:14 PM
35% voted for Safin

I didn't know that so many in here are smoking some good crack

Bremen
06-28-2007, 09:14 PM
It's the third round (32 players left). According to the seedings, the top 32 seeds should reach the third round. Safin and Federer have both lived up to their seedings and hence it's only proper they play each other in the third round.

Ok, thanks for explaining that. My thinking about the draws is a little muddled today!

This is because the top 8 can meet one of the other top 8's only in the 4 quarters. The top 16 can meet each other in various 4th rounds, and top 32 (which includes Fed/safin) can meet each other in 3rds.

Thanks guys!:wavey:

marcRD
06-28-2007, 09:23 PM
35% voted for Safin

I didn't know that so many in here are smoking some good crack

Why did you think people hang around in mtf anyway?

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 09:27 PM
35% voted for Safin

I didn't know that so many in here are smoking some good crack

It is probably not better than yours! :ras:

Ghost
06-28-2007, 09:28 PM
I Think Safin Will Kick Roger's Ass In 5 Sets:p :p :p

tennis2tennis
06-28-2007, 09:32 PM
this could be a really tight match depending on which marat showed up!

R.Federer
06-28-2007, 09:37 PM
if safin serves well, he will have a shot.
That is maybe not per se the most important-- Federer never has difficulty with big servers (karlo, roddick, the poo) on grass. safin will have to play, he will have to get down, he will have to deal with being put in difficult positions, coming in and keep his cool. He will have to play all court- Federer has already said that he is relying on "variety" in this match. He will do his best to frustrate the big guy.

(Btw, safin has been serving well but not off the wall. He has more aces than Fed, I think, going into R3. But I bet you, he will be outaced. This is what Federer does to the big servers).

Metis
06-28-2007, 09:38 PM
The Fedtards vs. the Safinettes. :haha:

Who said grass season is boring? Vamos Wimbledon! :banana:

cmurray
06-28-2007, 09:40 PM
The Fedtards vs. the Safinettes. :haha:

Who said grass season is boring? Vamos Wimbledon! :banana:

ditto. MTF's 2 biggest fanbases squaring off. :bounce:

Byrd
06-28-2007, 09:44 PM
Fed is already preparing ingredients for OAF pie tomorrow, all he needs now is to serve it.

Ales_Alessandra
06-28-2007, 09:44 PM
Since I'm already done with all discussion, and it will never end anyway!
Why not then do whatever you think we just do! I don't really care anymore!
SO
DAVAI MARATTTTTT!!!
http://www.manatee.k12.fl.us/sites/elementary/samoset/cheerleader_jumping_hg_wht.gif

ChrisDoesDallas
06-28-2007, 09:57 PM
I think the better question is when Safin will stop tennis and do some modeling. He's good for one thing left at least.

Andy Andy
06-28-2007, 10:00 PM
Marat in 4 tight sets

SixPack
06-28-2007, 10:03 PM
Marat Safin wins this in 5 sets:

5-7, 7-6(7), 6-3, 2-6, 7-5

Jim Courier
06-28-2007, 10:25 PM
Fed in straights but with the usual Safin disclaimer, everything is possible to the last Marat match, as was with Leconte.

foolish pleasure
06-28-2007, 10:41 PM
it will depend on if marat has $20 spaghetti or not :devil:

dkw
06-28-2007, 10:59 PM
Whatever :rolleyes: their arrogance is just a bit inappropriate imo... Can't wait to read them tomorrow :)
Oh no you didn't????

Maybe if you're man had won FO we'd be more inclined to bow down and kiss his tacky long trousers :devil:

ugotlobbed
06-28-2007, 11:05 PM
federer in 5

henree
06-28-2007, 11:41 PM
federer in 5

Whn ever Federer knows he will face a dangerous opponent. He always raises his game. Roger will be in 'hyper focus mode' and destroy Safin. 6-3,6-2,6-0. I hope I am wrong though. I want a competitive match.

cmurray
06-28-2007, 11:59 PM
Whn ever Federer knows he will face a dangerous opponent. He always raises his game. Roger will be in 'hyper focus mode' and destroy Safin. 6-3,6-2,6-0. I hope I am wrong though. I want a competitive match.

Like at the french open? :angel:

jk. Sort of. There is the very real possibility that this will be a complete blowout and disappoint everyone, but I wouldn't count on it. I like Marat, but I don't give him much of a chance tomorrow. THe thing is, he DOES still have a chance. Even against Federer. Even on grass. :shrug:

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 12:11 AM
THe thing is, he DOES still have a chance. Even against Federer. Even on grass. :shrug:
This part is true for any two players, playing on any surface. There is never a 0% chance of winning. You playing against Fed also, you know. You have a chance of winning, even though it's a nano chance of miniscule.... it's not zero.

cmurray
06-29-2007, 12:26 AM
This part is true for any two players, playing on any surface. There is never a 0% chance of winning. You playing against Fed also, you know. You have a chance of winning, even though it's a nano chance of miniscule.... it's not zero.

Only if his legs were bound at the knees and he was given a pingpong paddle instead of a racquet. :lol:

You're right, of course - there is always a chance otherwise there would be no point in playing the early rounds. I suppose what I meant is that Marat has a better chance on the right day than many others.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-29-2007, 12:28 AM
As long as Safin fights and shows no fear this match is his.

Fed must be worried, hes finally playing against a guy and not the normal little girls he beats up on.

ys
06-29-2007, 01:21 AM
Safin is getting an insane number of votes in this poll.. On the other hand, in the last match I saw them play, coincidentally - in Halle, injured Safin played Fed very tough..

ys
06-29-2007, 01:26 AM
Whn ever Federer knows he will face a dangerous opponent. He always raises his game. Roger will be in 'hyper focus mode' and destroy Safin. 6-3,6-2,6-0. I hope I am wrong though. I want a competitive match.

If Safin comes with the right attitude,it may get very entertaining, with a lot of Becker-like dives from Marat..

trixtah
06-29-2007, 01:29 AM
Marat has nothing to lose and that's when he can swing freely and take chances without getting pissed at himself. He's on center court versus Roger Federer, man! Let's hope this is a good match.

risk110
06-29-2007, 01:39 AM
Safin in 6

supertommyhaas
06-29-2007, 01:45 AM
7-6 6-4 6-3 for fed

+alonso
06-29-2007, 02:14 AM
Federer in 3.

Greenday
06-29-2007, 02:48 AM
I hope and think FED.

As Fed said..."With safin it is always Fireworks!"...so lets hope its going to be a good match..but in the end i want fed to win.

kobulingam
06-29-2007, 02:58 AM
Apparently Fed hasn't been feeling well - a cold and sore throat.

This could factor into the Safin match, if Safin plays really well. Then again, it might not be a factor because Fed had a cold throughout AO this year......

GonzoFed
06-29-2007, 03:18 AM
I can't believe how overrated Safin is in MTF. Borderline insane.

belgampaul
06-29-2007, 03:50 AM
It would be wrong to vote against the GOAT on his favorite surface even if he's playing against my favorite player. The favorite player has produced nothing since AO 2005 so he has to lose in 3 sets. But with Marat you never know, maybe he'll make a break, and that could suddenly convert into a better match than I expect, though very unlikely. Anyways, Marat has reached the 3rd round and we can hope (no expectation at all) that the match will go to 4 sets.

5 sets would be some sort of science fiction, the win would be a miracle I wait for since the semifinal of AO 2005

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:41 AM
Safin in 6
Six hours?

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:48 AM
Safin is getting an insane number of votes in this poll.. On the other hand, in the last match I saw them play, coincidentally - in Halle, injured Safin played Fed very tough..
What injury did he have? I can't remember.
He was not injured enough to withdraw from Wimbledon that year, starting a few days later, so I assume it wasn't a very serious injury.

Federerhingis
06-29-2007, 05:28 AM
Federer is going to mop the floor with Safin in three sets.

I highly doubt it, Safin's serve is almost always there to save him from embarrassment in the worst of moments, that alone guarantees he'l win more than a couple of games per set by holding serve; and you know what? the last time I saw Safin he still was a great returner of serve. ;)

This match could turn out to be very interesting and more than a test for Rogerer, he'l be wise to bring his A game and then some more just in case.

Allez
06-29-2007, 06:26 AM
Safin has nothing to lose & the only thing that could hurt him is his still suspect movement on grass. It's gonna be real close:)

MariaV
06-29-2007, 06:44 AM
35% voted for Safin

I didn't know that so many in here are smoking some good crack

:smoke:
:sad: :( No no, it's like - MTF law didn't apply this time, Safin lost a poll, WTF???!! ;)

Sofonda Cox
06-29-2007, 06:50 AM
:smoke:
:sad: :( No no, it's like - MTF law didn't apply this time, Safin lost a poll, WTF???!! ;)

and you call yourself a Safin fan......:retard: :rolleyes:

FedFan_2007
06-29-2007, 06:52 AM
Bottom line Fed is playing peak tennis and Safin isn't. Expect a drubbing tomorrow, after TMF gets over his 1st set jitters.

Or Levy
06-29-2007, 07:05 AM
I'm really excited about this match. I never actually seen them playing each other, started following Tennis only last year, and while I CAN watch the AO match on youtube, I can't bring myself to watch Roger losing a GS final.

But yey, I'm going to be watching today, I just really hope Wimby live WORKS, because it was a nightmare last night.

AcidMan
06-29-2007, 07:14 AM
Vamos Marat! :rocker2:

aislingmcfly
06-29-2007, 07:25 AM
Could someone please tell me a good guess at about what time (london time) this game will start around???
Sorry I am just terrible at estimating match times and I have to set my alarm

kobulingam
06-29-2007, 07:51 AM
Could someone please tell me a good guess at about what time (london time) this game will start around???
Sorry I am just terrible at estimating match times and I have to set my alarm



My guess is Saturday.

kobulingam
06-29-2007, 08:07 AM
What injury did he have? I can't remember.
He was not injured enough to withdraw from Wimbledon that year, starting a few days later, so I assume it wasn't a very serious injury.


Same injury he still has now - bum knee.

tennisgal_001
06-29-2007, 09:02 AM
Could someone please tell me a good guess at about what time (london time) this game will start around???
Sorry I am just terrible at estimating match times and I have to set my alarm

If the gods are merciful, I'm guessing 6-7 PM London time.

Veronique
06-29-2007, 09:20 AM
Some of you Federer fans could afford to be gracious and humble. Safin is capable of playing a good match and beat Federer. Is it likely? No. But it can happen. I'm just hoping for a very competitive match.

ys
06-29-2007, 10:51 AM
What injury did he have? I can't remember.
He was not injured enough to withdraw from Wimbledon that year, starting a few days later, so I assume it wasn't a very serious injury.

Knee injury.. He should not have even played RG that year.. That was the injury which costed him 7 months of layoff after he finally realised in August that by playing with severe pain he only makes things worse..

Krikry
06-29-2007, 12:15 PM
Knee injury.. He should not have even played RG that year.. That was the injury which costed him 7 months of layoff after he finally realised in August that by playing with severe pain he only makes things worse..

Yeah, and during the first rounds in Halle he really hesitated to withdraw

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 01:06 PM
A 100% fit Safin can't lose to Federror... :o

cmurray
06-29-2007, 01:17 PM
A 100% fit Safin can't lose to Federror... :o

So, is all of this repetitiveness due to nerves, or is the grass court season turning you into a raving lunatic? Let it go, man. VERY few people actually think that Marat has a chance.

sykotique
06-29-2007, 01:27 PM
Six hours?

Inclusive of 5 and a half hours rain delay. Supremely talented Spartan Safin will only need a half an hour to defeat the Ego King.

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 01:48 PM
VERY few people actually think that Marat has a chance.

Wrong, according to the poll, a 3rd of MTF think Marat will upset the ego king :o :cool: DAVAI ! :rocker2:

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 02:14 PM
Wrong, according to the poll, a 3rd of MTF think Marat will upset the ego king :o :cool: DAVAI ! :rocker2:
I'm not quite sure what caused your insecurity, or why you're so worried about what others think. My only suggestion is that you're actually worried about the match, otherwise you wouldn't care so much.

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 02:25 PM
I'm not quite sure what caused your insecurity, or why you're so worried about what others think. My only suggestion is that you're actually worried about the match, otherwise you wouldn't care so much.

I'm relaxed sweety, Marat is the clear favorite so I couldn't feel less pressure :o

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm relaxed sweety, Marat is the clear favorite so I couldn't feel less pressure :o
Sarcasm is not a clever thing my dear. The fact is you're trying to make a point, and not looking very good doing it.

Fumus
06-29-2007, 02:37 PM
I will take Roger in 4 sets. Safin won't be over awed, and whomever said it's a neutral match up for Federer is smoking crack. The match up always favors Safin no matter where they play, it's just that Federer is a great player and is able to overcome the match-up disadvantage. Safin needs to serve a really high percentage and come to net to really stand a chance...also some luck, and poor play from Federer wouldn't hurt.

ys
06-29-2007, 02:40 PM
Safin needs to serve a really high percentage and come to net to really stand a chance...also some luck, and poor play from Federer wouldn't hurt.

The big question is Safin's second serve. Him simply kicking it to Fed's backhand - which works wonders on other surfaces - simply won't cut it on grass.. Safin lately looks much more like a all-skill finesse/power player rather than just a power player he used to be. Grass should now be a good surface for him.

Fumus
06-29-2007, 02:42 PM
The big question is Safin's second serve. Him simply kicking it to Fed's backhand - which works wonders on other surfaces - simply won't cut it on grass.. Safin lately looks much more like a all-skill finesse/power player rather than just a power player he used to be. Grass should now be a good surface for him.

Yea, I would try to put a little bit extra on the second serve.

ys
06-29-2007, 02:45 PM
Yea, I would try to put a little bit extra on the second serve.

One component that Safin is missing for successful grass game is an effective slice serve.. Or maybe he has it, just never uses it it..

Fumus
06-29-2007, 02:51 PM
One component that Safin is missing for successful grass game is an effective slice serve.. Or maybe he has it, just never uses it it..

I'm sure he knows how to hit a slice serve. lol. Marat just likes to hit that big canon ball serve of his all the time. It should be interesting to see exactly what he employs as his game plan on serve. I don't think he will be wanting to hit many second serves which is why I think he needs to serve around 70%+...which he hasn't done for a long time.

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 03:29 PM
I will take Roger in 4 sets. Safin won't be over awed, and whomever said it's a neutral match up for Federer is smoking crack. The match up always favors Safin no matter where they play, it's just that Federer is a great player and is able to overcome the match-up disadvantage. Safin needs to serve a really high percentage and come to net to really stand a chance...also some luck, and poor play from Federer wouldn't hurt.
Hahaha. So tell me, if you can always overcome a match-up disadvantage, don't you have a match up advantage? Match-up advantage means how you deal with your opponent, mental, tactical and physical. If one player knows how to deal with his opponent, what disadvantage are you talking about?

"Match up always favors Safin, no matter where they play". You are the only one on crack. :haha:

Deea
06-29-2007, 03:35 PM
aaaah there's nothing like good old heated controversy over a tennis match :smoke:

Fumus
06-29-2007, 03:45 PM
Hahaha. So tell me, if you can always overcome a match-up disadvantage, don't you have a match up advantage? Match-up advantage means how you deal with your opponent, mental, tactical and physical. If one player knows how to deal with his opponent, what disadvantage are you talking about?

"Match up always favors Safin, no matter where they play". You are the only one on crack. :haha:

Actually, no how someone matchsup against you has to do with your attributes as a player. For example players with a strong backhand put Federer at a disadvantage. Historically Federer has more trouble against these players because he's at a disadvantage against them. Players with hard flat ground strokes put Rafa Nadal at a disadvantage. Players with a good return of serve put Roddick at a disadvantage. Does that mean Roddick loses to these players every time he plays them? No, he doesn't becuase he's a great player like Federer/Nadal and can make adjustments to his game to find other ways to win. I could go on and on but basically. Your strengths and weaknesses as a player define you, when a certain players strengths match up well against your weaknesses it puts you at a disadvantage. Such is the case with Safin and Federer. Notice I still picked Federer, but even Federer noted the way he will win is using his variety, that's an adjustment he's making to Safin. Please spare me your belittling talk when you are clearly biased on this subject.

tennisgal_001
06-29-2007, 03:47 PM
I'm just hoping they get to play and finish today.

ys
06-29-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm just hoping they get to play and finish today.

Exactly what I hope is not going to happen..

sykotique
06-29-2007, 03:57 PM
Actually, no how someone matchsup against you has to do with your attributes as a player. For example players with a strong backhand put Federer at a disadvantage. Historically Federer has more trouble against these players because he's at a disadvantage against them. Players with hard flat ground strokes put Rafa Nadal at a disadvantage. Players with a good return of serve put Roddick at a disadvantage. Does that mean Roddick loses to these players every time he plays them? No, he doesn't becuase he's a great player like Federer/Nadal and can make adjustments to his game to find other ways to win. I could go on and on but basically. Your strengths and weaknesses as a player define you, when a certain players strengths match up well against your weaknesses it puts you at a disadvantage. Such is the case with Safin and Federer. Notice I still picked Federer, but even Federer noted the way he will win is using his variety, that's an adjustment he's making to Safin. Please spare me your belittling talk when you are clearly biased on this subject.

I don't want to get into a Tard war, but I would just like to know - why do you think Federer would be at a disadvantage against players with a strong backhand? I never really got the impression. Also, doesn't the concept of a bad match-up take surface into consideration? For example, Ivo Karlovic is a bad match-up for Robredo on grass because he serves big and hits the ball hard and flat. Robredo is a bad match-up for Ivo on clay because he is speedy around the court and forces Karlovic into error-inducing rallies.

Federer did say he would have to use his variety, but the very fact that he has that variety at his disposal means he can use it, not that it is an adjustment. Federer doesn't need to use his variety in the 1st and 2nd round of a Slam against Gabashvili and Del Potro, because even without it, he would still win. The fact that he has variety in his arsenal, the same way Santoro and Rochus have it and trouble Safin, would give me the impression that he is a bad match-up for Safin on quick surfaces, not the other way around.

For example, Safin is notorious for struggling against players with a good backhand slice on grass and not a lot of people slice the ball better than Federer.

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 03:58 PM
Actually, no how someone matchsup against you has to do with your attributes as a player. For example players with a strong backhand put Federer at a disadvantage. Historically Federer has more trouble against these players because he's at a disadvantage against them. Players with hard flat ground strokes put Rafa Nadal at a disadvantage. I could go on and on but basically. Your strengths and weaknesses as a player define you, when a certain players strengths match up well against your weaknesses it puts you at a disadvantage. Such is the case with Safin and Federer. Notice I still picked Federer, but even Federer noted the way he will win is using his variety, that's an adjustment he's making to Safin.

Please spare me the definition of matchup. Variety is part of a player's attributes. Tact and strategy are part of a player's attributes. This is why Hingis used to routinely against bigger and powerful players. In even the best match that they have played, it went down to the wire 9-7 in the fifth, and you claim that safin has a natural match up advantage. Yes, you want safin to win, okay that is fine (understandable), but it is just your preferences on that matter are leading you to write stuff that aligns with it.


Players with a good return of serve put Roddick at a disadvantage. Does that mean Roddick loses to these players every time he plays them? No, he doesn't becuase he's a great player like Federer/Nadal and can make adjustments to his game to find other ways to win.

Exactly. So which part of the game do you think puts Federer at a "natural disadvantage" in his matchup against safin? He returns better, he serves at least as well, he can crowd the net better even though the bigger guy should do that better and safin, on grass, will struggle more with the slice.



Please spare me your belittling talk when you are clearly biased on this subject.

Yeah, after suggesting I was on crack for saying matchup=even, you are going to tell me about belittling. Pot, Kettle.

dkw
06-29-2007, 04:02 PM
14 pages over a random fan poll, with bickering so bad some people are resorting to sarcasm :rolleyes:

Now it looks like we get to bitch for another day!

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 04:02 PM
Exactly. So which part of the game do you think puts Federer at a "natural disadvantage" in his matchup against safin? He returns better, he serves at least as well, he can crowd the net better even though the bigger guy should do that better and safin, on grass, will struggle more with the slice.
Safin's backhand is better, like he said :rolleyes: Did you not read that part? So that gives him some kind of advantage, although he has no obvious advantage in the match, but Marat's talent is not that far off Roger's, its just his head.

sykotique
06-29-2007, 04:04 PM
Safin's backhand is better, like he said :rolleyes: Did you not read that part? So that gives him some kind of advantage, although he has no obvious advantage in the match, but Marat's talent is not that far off Roger's, its just his head.

But what is the evidence that Federer struggles against players with good backhands?

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:05 PM
14 pages over a random fan poll, with bickering so bad some people are resorting to sarcasm :rolleyes:

Now it looks like we get to bitch for another day!
The sad part is that not everyone gets is that another poster is resorting to sarcasm. I don't know if it's more telling about the poster or the writer!

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:06 PM
Safin's backhand is better, like he said :rolleyes: Did you not read that part? So that gives him some kind of advantage, although he has no obvious advantage in the match, but Marat's talent is not that far off Roger's, its just his head.
There is no dispute that they are the most talented players on the tour. I even wrote that the matchup is even, except on grass where it favors Federer. I do believe that. I am just amused and intrigued by the statement that "Matchup always favors safin, no matter where they play". Having a better bh does not amount to a better matchup advantage because there are other shots in the game, did you know?

Thanks for chipping in, with your infinite wisdom and infinite use of roll eyes. I think my discussion will remain with the previous poster. Thanks.

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 04:09 PM
Fumus is a tool.

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 04:12 PM
But what is the evidence that Federer struggles against players with good backhands?
I dunno in general, but when you watch Federer-Safin match ups its clear that Federer has problems when exchanging cross court backhands with Safin, because Safin has a superior backhand.

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 04:13 PM
Fed's backhand hugely improved since their last encounter... :)

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 04:13 PM
There is no dispute that they are the most talented players on the tour. I even wrote that the matchup is even, except on grass where it favors Federer. I do believe that. I am just amused and intrigued by the statement that "Matchup always favors safin, no matter where they play". Having a better bh does not amount to a better matchup advantage because there are other shots in the game, did you know?

Thanks for chipping in, with your infinite wisdom and infinite use of roll eyes. I think my discussion will remain with the previous poster. Thanks.

The sad part is that not everyone gets is that another poster is resorting to sarcasm. I don't know if it's more telling about the poster or the writer!

Stop acting like you know it all :)

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 04:14 PM
Fumus is a tool.
And you're not, I suppose :lol:

sykotique
06-29-2007, 04:15 PM
I dunno in general, but when you watch Federer-Safin match ups its clear that Federer has problems when exchanging cross court backhands with Safin, because Safin has a superior backhand.

LOL, but everyone on tour has a problem exchanging crosscourt backhands with Safin. I just don't think that simply having a better backhand counts as being a bad match-up. That sounds a bit too simplistic for my liking.

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:15 PM
Stop acting like you know it all :)

Stop behaving like an ass. :)

Never fail to see you in a thread about Federer. ;)

tennisgal_001
06-29-2007, 04:19 PM
Now if only Tipsarevic would serve it out and Serena double bagels so we can finally get this match going.

bokehlicious
06-29-2007, 04:20 PM
Stop behaving like an ass. :)


The sad thing is that she's just being herself... Most tards/tools on here are actually acting while andre#1whore is convinced to know what tennis is all about... Sad but entertaining nonetheless :lol:

Andre'sNo1Fan
06-29-2007, 04:22 PM
The sad thing is that she's just being herself... Most tards/tools on here are actually acting while andre#1whore is convinced to know what tennis is all about... Sad but entertaining nonetheless :lol:
:haha:

Yeh, but you know everything about what tennis is about, huh?

khanazam
06-29-2007, 04:23 PM
woah its already almost 12:30 eastern time and gonzalez just finished. hope they still start federer and safin today? whens the latest they can play till today.

Marek.
06-29-2007, 04:25 PM
Serena will probably take 2 hours. No way the Federer - Safin matches finishes today.

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:27 PM
The sad thing is that she's just being herself... Most tards/tools on here are actually acting while andre#1whore is convinced to know what tennis is all about... Sad but entertaining nonetheless :lol:

It's okay.... in a thread about Federer, there are 5-6 posters who will stop by only to unload. It's understandable.

nanoman
06-29-2007, 04:27 PM
They should erase that ladies match from the Centre Court. Nobody give a sh1t about another beatdown.

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 04:28 PM
Serena will probably take 2 hours. No way the Federer - Safin matches finishes today.
I was just about to say, no way it starts today! Couldn't have predicted such a long match for gonzo..... and ends like that. Shucks, gonzo is really out. Blake has a great chance to get through to the qf I think.

Beforehand
06-29-2007, 04:31 PM
Federer/Safin should at least get started today, I'd imagine, but I doubt they finish.

Marek.
06-29-2007, 04:41 PM
Serena broke in the first game. So far so good.

tennisgal_001
06-29-2007, 04:41 PM
Yes, I doubt they finish today but they'll most probably start as soon as they can. Same goes for Roddick/Verdasco.
Hold on, is that a dark cloud hovering over Center Court? No no no...

sykotique
06-29-2007, 04:47 PM
Serena breaks again. Go for the double bagel! Not that I care, but the faster Marat and Federer get out there the better.

Beforehand
06-29-2007, 04:58 PM
Looks like Serena wants to see this Fed/Safin match really badly.

Marek.
06-29-2007, 04:58 PM
Halfway there.:cool:

Marek.
06-29-2007, 05:17 PM
Three points to go.

theprodigy
06-29-2007, 05:18 PM
Now I appreciate how uncompetitive WTA matches are.

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 05:19 PM
Game on!

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 05:37 PM
And the sun comes out for good measure. :) HOPP ROGE!

almouchie
06-29-2007, 05:49 PM
stupid silly service game to give away by safin
federer was struggling in the first game
& safin simply giving him the free points early on

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 05:55 PM
stupid silly service game to give away by safin
federer was struggling in the first game
& safin simply giving him the free points early on
Relax, there are more sets left to go (assuming that set 1 is over basically).

WesMantooth
06-29-2007, 05:57 PM
Fed takes the first set 6-1.

Fumus
06-29-2007, 05:57 PM
Please spare me the definition of matchup. Variety is part of a player's attributes. Tact and strategy are part of a player's attributes. This is why Hingis used to routinely against bigger and powerful players. In even the best match that they have played, it went down to the wire 9-7 in the fifth, and you claim that safin has a natural match up advantage. Yes, you want safin to win, okay that is fine (understandable), but it is just your preferences on that matter are leading you to write stuff that aligns with it.


Exactly. So which part of the game do you think puts Federer at a "natural disadvantage" in his matchup against safin? He returns better, he serves at least as well, he can crowd the net better even though the bigger guy should do that better and safin, on grass, will struggle more with the slice.



Yeah, after suggesting I was on crack for saying matchup=even, you are going to tell me about belittling. Pot, Kettle.

I don't even think you read my post.

Greenday
06-29-2007, 05:57 PM
My nerves are abt to explode!!...I am sitting in a meeting right now...but watching the match on my laptop...haha......

kobulingam
06-29-2007, 05:58 PM
Federer Return of Serve was working at GOAT level right in first set.

ys
06-29-2007, 05:58 PM
What a phenomenal first set by Marat.. Just what we hoped for..

Lori42
06-29-2007, 05:58 PM
Come on Safin!!!!!

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 06:03 PM
I don't even think you read my post.
Nor you mine.

I did read the part about belittling and found it funny, seeing as you said I was on crack a few posts earlier!

Greenday
06-29-2007, 06:33 PM
Fed takes second test 6-4

Mistaflava
06-29-2007, 07:17 PM
:haha:


Suicide alert for Safin fans...

marcRD
06-29-2007, 07:19 PM
I guess this wasnt the reall Safin, the real Safin would triple bagel Federer 6-3 6-3 6-3

optimism
06-29-2007, 07:22 PM
I guess this wasnt the reall Safin, the real Safin would triple bagel Federer 6-3 6-3 6-3

no way...should be triple negative bagel 6-(-3)6-(-3)6-(-3). no one beats "real safin"

Kuhne
06-29-2007, 07:24 PM
I pitty safin fans who believed he could beat the best tennis player in the milky way

optimism
06-29-2007, 07:24 PM
1st set: lame safin, good federer
2nd set: less lame safin, less lame federer
3rd set: good safin, lame federer with no return game

strategy to beat federer: concede the first set 6-1 or 6-0 sth, then fight your heart out and federer will play loose games after an easy first set.;)

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 07:28 PM
Still think Fed in 3, maybe one tight set.
Good call! ;)

marcRD
06-29-2007, 07:41 PM
Good call! ;)

Fed in 3, maybe Safin will take him to a tiebreak.

Better call! :)

R.Federer
06-29-2007, 07:43 PM
Better call! :)
That's what I meant by "one tight set". No, really!

Okay okay, you had a better call. I think some people wrote down some real scorelines and got close too :scared: