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when will the main draw be posted?

keredster
05-01-2004, 09:07 AM
Does anyone know when will the main draw be released?

J. Corwin
05-01-2004, 09:12 AM
soon ;)

I.e....sometimes on Saturday

SomL.
05-01-2004, 09:17 AM
Come on Lleyton ^^!!

keredster
05-01-2004, 10:07 AM
anyone knows where can i see the main draw when they are post? i can't see the qualify draw in telecom italia masters official webby as it only show Download Men's Singles Qualifying Draw and nothing. So, i afraid i'll not be able to see the main draw there too.

Springy
05-01-2004, 10:25 AM
It will be out in 1-2 hours
My friend is there so he will give me news as soon as he can(hope better then yesterday!=

jtipson
05-01-2004, 11:33 AM
Well, they must have finished the draw, because the main news on the Italian version of the site says it's Federer v Bjorkman in the first round, and Roddick v Canas. Though my Italian's not too hot....

Action Jackson
05-01-2004, 11:37 AM
They haven't put it out yet I just checked the site.

Action Jackson
05-01-2004, 11:38 AM
Well the full draw isn't out yet.

Roddick against Canas it seems, there could be a 1st round loss on the way.

Action Jackson
05-01-2004, 11:42 AM
Gonzalez v Hrbaty
Robredo v The Poo
Guga v Costa
N.Lapentti v Pavel
Chela v Zabaleta
Verkerk v Martin. T
Ljubicic v Clement
Mantilla v Ginepri

keredster
05-01-2004, 11:46 AM
anyone noe about hewitt?

keredster
05-01-2004, 11:47 AM
do anyone know tat who hewitt is draw to?

sanvel
05-01-2004, 11:48 AM
come on Canas... you're the best

keredster
05-01-2004, 12:00 PM
thanx 4 the help. Btw can anyone send mi the webby tat they get the main draw?

jtipson
05-01-2004, 12:07 PM
It's not up yet, but you'll be able to see it at http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2004/416/MDS.pdf

Springy
05-01-2004, 01:05 PM
Safin will play Pescosolido

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 01:47 PM
jtipson, you know there's an English version of the site now right?

jtipson
05-01-2004, 01:53 PM
Yes thanks bunk, but the news gets posted in Italian first before English, so it wasn't on the English version when I read it.

lionel
05-01-2004, 01:55 PM
Some 1st round matches:

Pescosolido - Safin
Sanguinetti - Calleri
Volandri - Kiefer
Seppi - Hewitt
Di Mauro - Srichaphan

lionel
05-01-2004, 01:57 PM
Ooops!
You've already posted them.
Sorry.

BTW a news:
Seppi lost all during the fire at the hotel,including his rackets.
Now he has to play with old ones.

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 02:13 PM
Yes thanks bunk, but the news gets posted in Italian first before English, so it wasn't on the English version when I read it.

oooohhhhhhhh ok didn't know that. Sorry lol



and pfffffffffffffffffff :ras: to crappy draws

bovenbuuf
05-01-2004, 02:34 PM
draw is out.. http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2004/416/MDS.pdf

keredster
05-01-2004, 02:41 PM
thanx bovenbuuf

Springy
05-01-2004, 02:46 PM
can someone psot it^

jtipson
05-01-2004, 02:48 PM
Here you go:
Federer, Roger (1)
Bjorkman, Jonas
Kuerten, Gustavo
Costa, Albert
Horna, Luis
Youzhny, Mikhail
Martin, Todd
Verkerk, Martin (14)
Novak, Jiri (12)
Blake, James
qualifier
Mirnyi, Max
Calleri, Agustin
Sanguinetti, Davide (wc)
Lopez, Feliciano
Grosjean, Sebastien (7)

Schuettler, Rainer (3)
Spadea, Vincent
qualifier
Arazi, Hicham
Sargsian, Sargis
Davydenko, Nikolay
Hrbaty, Dominik
Gonzalez, Fernando (13)
Schalken, Sjeng (11)
qualifier
Volandri, Filippo
Kiefer, Nicolas
qualifier
Saretta, Flavio
Soderling, Robin
Nalbandian, David (5)

Massu, Nicolas (8)
qualifier
Labadze, Irakli
Gaudio, Gaston
Pescosolido, Stefano (wc)
Safin, Marat
Di Mauro, Alessio (wc)
Srichaphan, Paradorn (10)
Chela, Juan Ignacio (16)
Zabaleta, Mariano
Mantilla, Felix
Ginepri, Robby
Stepanek, Radek
Ivanisevic, Goran
qualifier
Henman, Tim (4)

Moya, Carlos (6)
Martin, Alberto
Clement, Arnaud
Ljubicic, Ivan
Haas, Tommy
qualifier
Robredo, Tommy
Philippoussis, Mark (9)
Hewitt, Lleyton (15)
Seppi, Andreas (wc)
Lapentti, Nicolas
Pavel, Andrei
qualifier
Sanchez, David
Canas, Guillermo
Roddick, Andy (2)

bovenbuuf
05-01-2004, 02:52 PM
thanks Jtipson

nitsansh
05-01-2004, 02:57 PM
Federer, Roger (1) v Bjorkman, Jonas
Kuerten, Gustavo v Costa, Albert
Horna, Luis v Youzhny, Mikhail
Martin, Todd v Verkerk, Martin (14)
Novak, Jiri (12) v Blake, James
qualifier v Mirnyi, Max
Calleri, Agustin v Sanguinetti, Davide (wc)
Lopez, Feliciano v Grosjean, Sebastien (7)

Schuettler, Rainer (3) v Spadea, Vincent
qualifier v Arazi, Hicham
Sargsian, Sargis v Davydenko, Nikolay
Hrbaty, Dominik v Gonzalez, Fernando (13)
Schalken, Sjeng (11) v qualifier
Volandri, Filippo v Kiefer, Nicolas
qualifier v Saretta, Flavio
Soderling, Robin v Nalbandian, David (5)

Massu, Nicolas (8) v qualifier
Labadze, Irakli v Gaudio, Gaston
Pescosolido, Stefano (wc) v Safin, Marat
Di Mauro, Alessio (wc) v Srichaphan, Paradorn (10)
Chela, Juan Ignacio (16) v Zabaleta, Mariano
Mantilla, Felix v Ginepri, Robby
Stepanek, Radek v Ivanisevic, Goran
qualifier v Henman, Tim (4)

Moya, Carlos (6) v Martin, Alberto
Clement, Arnaud v Ljubicic, Ivan
Haas, Tommy v qualifier
Robredo, Tommy v Philippoussis, Mark (9)
Hewitt, Lleyton (15) v Seppi, Andreas (wc)
Lapentti, Nicolas v Pavel, Andrei
qualifier v Sanchez, David
Canas, Guillermo v Roddick, Andy (2)

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:13 PM
Crap ass draws for both Roddick and Federer. they might not even make it to the 2nd round:o Now that Coria and FErrero are gone, Carlos plays like a :retard: in big matches, Fed's got a tough draw (though he *can* get through it), and Safin well who really knows with that guy, we could have an extremely bizarre winner here in Rome

jtipson
05-01-2004, 03:21 PM
I don't think Roger's draw is too bad, especially first round. Jonas isn't normally a problem for him, and clay's hardly his favourite surface. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he can't lose there, but I'd prefer him play Bjorkman than Canas! Andy is certainly gonna have his work cut out, especially if he gets to the quarters against Moya.

Marat is very nicely placed; apart from Gaudio and Chela, there's not really anyone in his quarter to trouble him if he has his head on straight. Nalbandian should be ok if he can get past the up-and-coming Soderling.

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 03:32 PM
Bjorkman isn't particularly effective on clay, is he? and couldn't Guga or Costa pose a problem for Roger? A small one anyway? lol

Andy's draw sucks huge ass. Thinking about him in the quarters against Moya is absolutely futile considering he would have to get through two clay-courters and Pavel or Hewitt to get there :haha:

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:32 PM
I'm not only talking about first round. second round hes got Kuerten or Costa, extremely tough clay court players (Guga's injured so it should be Costa) Round of 16 he's got Verkerk (if he has a good serving day he can take out Fed) and he also has Horna (isnt this the guy who took him out of RG 03:scratch: ) I just hope that whoever wins this looks like a normal TMS clay winner and not a very weird one. draw sucks major ass for quite a few top seeds, but hopefully we still get a good tournament :rocker2:

WyveN
05-01-2004, 03:33 PM
I don't think Roger's draw is too bad, especially first round.

I agree, second round against Costa/Kurten will obviously be very tough but apart from that he has a very good draw.

Andy is certainly gonna have his work cut out, especially if he gets to the quarters against Moya.


Just to get to the QF he will have to beat Canas, Sanzhez & Pavel/Lapentti


Marat is very nicely placed; apart from Gaudio and Chela, there's not really anyone in his quarter to trouble him if he has his head on straight. Nalbandian should be ok if he can get past the up-and-coming Soderling.

Agreed, hopefully Marat can take advantage as he only has points to gain

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:35 PM
bunk, if Andy gets through Canas, I can see him in the quarters. Hewitt shouldnt cause too much of a problem ( and he might not even make it to the 3rd round, but heck Andy neither :lol: ) Lapentti can cause problems, and he's beaten Pavel on clay:p a QF showing is feasable, just depends if he can get through Canas! but im just expecting a 1st round loss so that anything beyond that will make me:D

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:37 PM
oh and he's beaten Sanchez as well on clay last year:p

jtipson
05-01-2004, 03:38 PM
Bjorkman isn't particularly effective on clay, is he? and couldn't Guga or Costa pose a problem for Roger? A small one anyway? lol

Andy's draw sucks huge ass. Thinking about him in the quarters against Moya is absolutely futile considering he would have to get through two clay-courters and Pavel or Hewitt to get there :haha:

Yes, I agree Costa might, although he's not in good form right now. I very much doubt that Guga is going to play, given his injury against Gaudio yesterday in Barcelona. I wouldn't be surprised if Andy did get to the quarters, but that first round is :rolleyes: .

Dirk
05-01-2004, 03:39 PM
I think Roger can do very well. I think Costa might give him trouble, but after that he should make the semis. I think Roger has a nice draw actually. Moya or Marat should make the final on the other side but who knows.

WyveN
05-01-2004, 03:40 PM
I'm not only talking about first round. second round hes got Kuerten or Costa, extremely tough clay court players


That is about as difficult as it gets for him until virtually the final, of course he could lose to anyone but the draw is good especially considering guga is injured


(Guga's injured so it should be Costa) Round of 16 he's got Verkerk (if he has a good serving day he can take out Fed)


Could have easily got Chela who is better then Verkerk on clay


and he also has Horna (isnt this the guy who took him out of RG 03:scratch: )


Could have got Gaudio, Mantilla, Davydenko, Calleri, Safin, Zabaleta, Haas, Lapentti, Canas (just about all the mentioned players are on the other side of the draw) along with Moya

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:43 PM
Well of course WyveN the bottom half is a heck of a lot harder, and Fed *could* have gotten a much worse draw than the one he's got, but imo it's still difficult. Though Fed can get through it, if his head is on straight during clay court tennis.

Dirk
05-01-2004, 03:43 PM
Um I don't think Roger has problems with big servers. I think Mikhail might play him in the 3rd or Todd. Costa could be difficult but he really shouldn't be unless Roger allows him to be. The semis could be very tough but apart from that the final and the 2nd rd Roger should do very well here.

WyveN
05-01-2004, 03:45 PM
Well of course WyveN the bottom half is a heck of a lot harder, and Fed *could* have gotten a much worse draw than the one he's got, but imo it's still difficult.

No one gets a easy draw in TMS, it is virtually impossible so it is all relative.

Horatio Caine
05-01-2004, 03:46 PM
If Naldo can get past Soderling, which may be a problem, then he has a great chance of progressing far. Believe it or not, Henman has a good chance cos his draw isn't as bad as Roddick for instance. The qualifier for Henman will be really tough, Stepanek is beatable as is Chela. He could then face Massu in what could be another interesting rematch. I can't see Moya lasting round 1. There is the potential for the majority of seeds to fall in round 1.

(1) R Federer v J Bjorkman - (1) Federer to win
(14) M Verkerk v T Martin - T Martin to win
(12) J Novak v J Blake - (12) J Novak to win
(7) S Grosjean v F Lopez - F Lopez to win
(3) R Schuettler v V Spadea - V Spadea to win
(13) F Gonzalez v D Hrbaty - (13) F Gonzalez to win
(11) S Schalken v Qualifier - Probably qualifier to win
(5) D Nalbandian v R Soderling - R Soderling might win
(8) N Massu v Qualifier - (8) N Massu to win
(10) P Srichaphan v A Di Mauro - (10) P Srichaphan to squeak through
(16) J - I Chela v M Zabaleta - M Zabaleta might shock
(4) T Henman v Qualifier - Qualifier to probably win
(6) C Moya v A Martin - A Martin to win
(9) M Philippoussis v T Robredo - T Robredo to win
(15) L Hewitt v A Seppi - A Seppi to win
(2) A Roddick v G Canas - (2) A Roddick to win

Those are my predictions, what do you reckon?

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:46 PM
not that Fed's got a problem with huge serves, its more along the lines of if Verker is having a good serving day, his whole game lifts and he plays better. But even at that, Fed can still beat Verkerk. And all depending on which Grosjean shows up, it can be an extremely easy match, or an extremely tough battle. don't you just love these TMS draws, the hardest, toughest draws throughout the whole entire year :rocker2:

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:48 PM
well according to jez, I'm in the tournament :scared: wish me luck guys, i need to jet to Rome and fast :bolt:

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:49 PM
No one gets a easy draw in TMS, it is virtually impossible so it is all relative.
I know there is no such thing as an easy draw in a TMS WyveN;) It's just that you were sort of making it out to be that Fed has an easy draw, with only mentioning his 2nd round opponents, and then skipping right through to the SF. There are some competent players he can meet along the way as well:D

Dirk
05-01-2004, 03:51 PM
hey if you lose you still make out nicely Naldo. Grosjean might or might not make it. Really none of these guys in his qrt should pose a problem for him. If Roger plays well he should go very far if not win the thing.

Horatio Caine
05-01-2004, 03:52 PM
By the way - why is Kuerten playing? I thought he had pains in his hip and was trying to rest it in an effort to make RG? What on earth is the crazy man doing?!!! :confused: :banana: - I could never get bored of that smily!!

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:54 PM
but thats the thing Dirk, if Fed isn't completely on his game (he's gotta be on clay, heck everyone has to) there are players who can cause a threat to him. again not as big of a threat as the players in the bottom half, but they still shouldn't be overlooked;)

so how do you like my chances vs Soderling?

Dirk
05-01-2004, 03:54 PM
Maybe the pain was not that bad. I'm sure he won't play if he is hurt. Maybe he feels better.

Horatio Caine
05-01-2004, 03:54 PM
I don't understand u Naldo!! U being sarcastic?

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:56 PM
jez go look at your post, its #42;) but dont change it, I like to be included in TMS draws:rocker2:

WyveN
05-01-2004, 03:56 PM
It's just that you were sort of making it out to be that Fed has an easy draw, with only mentioning his 2nd round opponents, and then skipping right through to the SF.

I call it like it is, I don't take a pessimistic or a optimistic view on things.

Horatio Caine
05-01-2004, 03:56 PM
Naldo - u have a great chance but you have to play a darn sight better than you played against Vliegen!! How do u rate my chances then?! :banana:

Dirk
05-01-2004, 03:57 PM
You will lose badly but hey take a look at the first round prize money. Should be enough to get a RG box seat. ;) Roger needs to play well in order to win. He like every player is no different. Yeah sometimes the great ones can have an off day and still pull through, but typically its about consistency. Rome will be a great test for Roger and he loves it here since he made the final last year. He should do very well here. I bet he is practicing right now.

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:57 PM
Not a chance in hell:p

j/k;)

Horatio Caine
05-01-2004, 03:58 PM
Hehe - sorry Naldo!!! Uh well...cud u beat the scary Swede :scared:?!!! I'm sure David wud be happy cos u'd give him 2 days extra rest :tape:!!

yanchr
05-01-2004, 03:59 PM
That is about as difficult as it gets for him until virtually the final, of course he could lose to anyone but the draw is good especially considering guga is injured
Agree. Roger has a fair good draw IMO esp compared to Andy's.
Could have got Gaudio, Mantilla, Davydenko, Calleri, Safin, Zabaleta, Haas, Lapentti, Canas (just about all the mentioned players are on the other side of the draw) along with Moya
Calleri is in Roger's quarter if you don't notice ;)

WyveN
05-01-2004, 03:59 PM
Naldo, if you want me to analyse your draw

As you are a unknown quantity it is hard to predict but since you got a direct entrance (without even a WC) despite being unranked, Rome officials must have seen you play and think very highly of you. I think you can win your first match (will pick you in PAW as long as you got a 500+ point advantage) as Soderling is also unproved on clay but could struggle against Saretta who has had plenty of practice on clay against Kuerten.

WyveN
05-01-2004, 04:02 PM
Agree. Roger has a fair good draw IMO esp compared to Andy's.

Calleri is in Roger's quarter if you don't notice ;)

hence I said "just about all" ;)

Horatio Caine
05-01-2004, 04:03 PM
Nah i reckon he cud take scary Swede and then Saretta cos he is inept on most surfaces including, at times, clay. He could then take out what cud be Schalken and then....Naldo u cud be in the quarters mate!! Fly out there now! :bolt:

tennismaster882001
05-01-2004, 04:08 PM
Good luck Ivan, Goran and Roger!!! :bigclap:

Havok
05-01-2004, 04:11 PM
Naldo, if you want me to analyse your draw

As you are a unknown quantity it is hard to predict but since you got a direct entrance (without even a WC) despite being unranked, Rome officials must have seen you play and think very highly of you. I think you can win your first match (will pick you in PAW as long as you got a 500+ point advantage) as Soderling is also unproved on clay but could struggle against Saretta who has had plenty of practice on clay against Kuerten.
:haha: Thanks for the analysis:yeah:

TheBoiledEgg
05-01-2004, 04:37 PM
I like Marat's draw :D :)
a WC in rd1 then either another WC or Paradorn who'll be even easier ;)
Massu in r3 isnt too bad either

then QF vs Henman/Chela

Roger has a not too bad a draw
Jonas easy meat.
Guga injured :(, Costa last won a match b4 WW2

Nalby's section is ok
Saretta could be a prob in r2
r3 is easier
QF vs Mr No Brain "Gonzo" looks on.

Carlos has the worst of it
Beto Martin who he owns really but he lost to him once :o
Clement or Ljubicic as well.... could be easier
Haas or Robredo in rd3 :eek:

Roddick a tough opener, he gets thru that we might see a Potato Duck filling in r3 ;)

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 05:28 PM
bunk, if Andy gets through Canas, I can see him in the quarters. Hewitt shouldnt cause too much of a problem ( and he might not even make it to the 3rd round, but heck Andy neither :lol: ) Lapentti can cause problems, and he's beaten Pavel on clay:p a QF showing is feasable, just depends if he can get through Canas! but im just expecting a 1st round loss so that anything beyond that will make me:D

Hewitt will lose to Pavel, didn't he lose to Pavel on HARDcourt this year? Yea. lol. Lapentti just lost to Pavel in Houston in a very routine straight sets match. But yes, Andy won't even get through Canas so it doesn't much matter :haha:

I wouldn't be surprised if Andy did get to the quarters, but that first round is :rolleyes:.

What do you mean?

well according to jez, I'm in the tournament :scared: wish me luck guys, i need to jet to Rome and fast :bolt:

:haha: GOOOOOOOOO NALDO! :bounce: I like Robin but I'll be pulling for you buddy!! and LMAO good analysis Wyver :lol:

Fedex
05-01-2004, 05:51 PM
Crap ass draws for both Roddick and Federer. they might not even make it to the 2nd round:o Now that Coria and FErrero are gone, Carlos plays like a :retard: in big matches, Fed's got a tough draw (though he *can* get through it), and Safin well who really knows with that guy, we could have an extremely bizarre winner here in Rome
No not really. For Andy, but not Roger. Costa would be tough, but then i dont see anyone else there than can poteintally beat him. Jonas on clay has a 1/1000 chance of beating Roger on clay, of all surfaces. He's no problem for Roger. ;) I do expect Roger to make the semis!

Fedex
05-01-2004, 05:55 PM
I'm not only talking about first round. second round hes got Kuerten or Costa, extremely tough clay court players (Guga's injured so it should be Costa) Round of 16 he's got Verkerk (if he has a good serving day he can take out Fed) and he also has Horna (isnt this the guy who took him out of RG 03:scratch: ) I just hope that whoever wins this looks like a normal TMS clay winner and not a very weird one. draw sucks major ass for quite a few top seeds, but hopefully we still get a good tournament :rocker2:
Verkerk?? please. :rolleyes: Plus with the return of Federer and the clay slowing his serve down and making it less effective, there's no reason why the serve would affect the match! ;)

Billabong
05-01-2004, 06:34 PM
Guga withdrew :sad:... do you know who will replace him in the draw??

Fedex
05-01-2004, 06:52 PM
Guga withdrew :sad:... do you know who will replace him in the draw??
That was a smart play though. We dont want him to further worsen the injury by playing.

Havok
05-01-2004, 07:03 PM
Oh sorry Fedex, please shoot me for having my own opinion on draws :retard:

J. Corwin
05-01-2004, 07:57 PM
I'll be rooting for you Naldo. Don't make me disappointed. ;)

Canas shouldn't be too horrible for Andy. Andy's played well before here and the courts are slightly faster. He *just* needs to grind out some points.

star
05-01-2004, 11:01 PM
GEAUX NALDO!!!!

WyveN
05-02-2004, 01:38 AM
I'll be rooting for you Naldo. Don't make me disappointed. ;)

Canas shouldn't be too horrible for Andy. Andy's played well before here and the courts are slightly faster. He *just* needs to grind out some points.

that is true, Canas hasn't been playing well and I can't remmember him doing anything in Rome. Andy probably a 65-35 favourite.

SomL.
05-02-2004, 03:26 AM
Go Lleyton !!!!!!

cheliste
05-02-2004, 06:09 AM
C'mon Marat take advantage of your draw! ;)
With the exception of Costa, I don't see much problem with Roger's section either. But he will get past him. Right, rogi? ;)
Hopefuly we get to see one exciting TMS week in Italia! :banana:

cheliste
05-02-2004, 06:20 AM
I've forgotten all about Carlos. :o
Goodluck Moyke, you've got one horrendous draw...errr I mean tough draw. :eek: ;)

Daniel
05-02-2004, 08:17 AM
Federer :D :D