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Deboogle!.
04-29-2004, 04:49 AM
They're leaving tomorrow :yeah:

4.28.2004 -

We are splitting tomorrow for Rome. This will give us a few days to practice on the dirt before the Italian Open kicks off. Any tournament that Andy enters he’s going to be a strong contender and he always has high expectations for the big events. Obviously this is not his favorite surface, so we are getting there early to build up the kid's legs and lungs. He’s had a good week or so of R&R and now it’s time to go grind.

I’m getting pumped up to do some clay court scouting. This will be my first look at Coria on clay. I’ve never seen him live on the dirt. I’ve scouted him on the hard courts but it’s a different ball game on clay, especially since this guy has not lost a match on the dirt since last year's French Open semis. Coria and many of the other clay courters have really stepped up their games on other surfaces, which makes all the events on the tour even tougher to win.

Dirk
04-29-2004, 04:52 AM
Bunk maybe you should put this in the Dent forum. I don't think its Andy who has a problem with pizza.

Havok
04-29-2004, 04:52 AM
They shoulda been there already :retard: well thats just my opinion :p and Bunk, there's more than just pizza to stay away from in italy:( I know first hand, such good food there :drool:

Deboogle!.
04-29-2004, 04:54 AM
Naldo, only so much you can mention in the thread, plus we know about Andy's weakness for pizza.

They're gonna be getting there several days before he has to play, I think that's fine.

But I guess he missed the memo about Coria pulling out - he's gonna be pissed lol

J. Corwin
04-29-2004, 04:56 AM
lol

And what's this with being there "only" this much earlier! gah. ;)

Havok
04-29-2004, 04:58 AM
I know they'll have plenty of time to practice there Deb, but earlier woulda been better :D

Deboogle!.
04-29-2004, 04:59 AM
Naldo, I think they were practicing here before. I don't think Andy's been bumming around til now and then they'll leave! I still think 4 solid days of practice is enough :) But yes I suppose it's never too early lol

Havok
04-29-2004, 05:06 AM
lol, of course they've been practicing. Andy's ADD kicked in after like 1-2 days rest silly:D

Deboogle!.
04-29-2004, 05:07 AM
OHHHHHHH that's right! :haha:

But I bet they couldn't practice on clay :/

star
04-29-2004, 05:41 AM
Bunk maybe you should put this in the Dent forum. I don't think its Andy who has a problem with pizza.

Somebody reads this thread WAY too much!

heya
04-29-2004, 05:44 AM
Absent minded loser: Brad

star
04-29-2004, 05:44 AM
They're leaving tomorrow :yeah:

4.28.2004 -

We are splitting tomorrow for Rome. This will give us a few days to practice on the dirt before the Italian Open kicks off. Any tournament that Andy enters he’s going to be a strong contender and he always has high expectations for the big events. Obviously this is not his favorite surface, so we are getting there early to build up the kid's legs and lungs. He’s had a good week or so of R&R and now it’s time to go grind.

I’m getting pumped up to do some clay court scouting. This will be my first look at Coria on clay. I’ve never seen him live on the dirt. I’ve scouted him on the hard courts but it’s a different ball game on clay, especially since this guy has not lost a match on the dirt since last year's French Open semis. Coria and many of the other clay courters have really stepped up their games on other surfaces, which makes all the events on the tour even tougher to win.


Idiot!

Deboogle!.
04-29-2004, 05:54 AM
Idiot!

:haha: what in particular was idiotic about it?

star
04-29-2004, 05:55 AM
Coria isn't even going to BE there.

Which Brad would know if he would bother to read the posts here. :p

Deboogle!.
04-29-2004, 05:56 AM
LOL well yeah.... but it's Brad, he's too busy talking himself to see what anyone else has to say ;)

J. Corwin
04-29-2004, 08:22 AM
Soliloquys are the shit. ;)

Fumus
04-29-2004, 03:09 PM
Bunk maybe you should put this in the Dent forum. I don't think its Andy who has a problem with pizza.

:haha:

Fumus
04-29-2004, 03:09 PM
Yea, Andy needs to pick it up on clay if all the other guys have picked it up on hcs...

Deboogle!.
04-30-2004, 08:37 PM
cool!

"On Sunday there will be a friendly inauguration match between Switzerland's Roger Federer and Andy Roddick of the USA. The two tennis superstars will hit a ball around in front of the Coliseum at 2pm for the benefit of the paparazzi and TV crews."

tangerine_dream
04-30-2004, 08:43 PM
Awesome!!! :yeah: :banana: :dance:

Havok
04-30-2004, 08:46 PM
:banana:

star
04-30-2004, 08:47 PM
That's nice for the fans!

star
04-30-2004, 08:48 PM
I hope Andy doesn't wear that stupid cap. :(

J. Corwin
04-30-2004, 08:49 PM
very very cool!

Deboogle!.
04-30-2004, 08:50 PM
lol star! Well maybe there will be pics of it to see. Obviously Roger will spank Andy's sucky little ass but it's still a nice thing for them to do.

star
04-30-2004, 08:52 PM
It doesn't even sound like they are even playing for points.... but maybe so. I'm sure they will both be competitive with one another. :)

But it would be nice if Andy left the stupid cap off and Roger left off the stupid headband ponytail thing.

Havok
04-30-2004, 08:54 PM
hey don't diss the cap:( caps always rule over girly bandanas (only Fed's bandana looks girlish, and I'd throw in Nadal as well :scared: )

Deboogle!.
04-30-2004, 08:54 PM
I was only kidding ;) like even in a silly exhibition Roger will surely be unbeatable, if you get what I'm saying :)

lol yes, that would be nice. Roger's ponytail/headband combo is about as bad as the trucker hats *hides from naldo*

I like it because it just shows even more that they like each other, despite what some of the fans would like to believe.

Havok
04-30-2004, 09:05 PM
:ras: trucker hats on Andy rule :rocker2: nobody else would be able to pull it off besides Andy, same went for the visor:banana:

Deboogle!.
04-30-2004, 09:05 PM
who's "obody"?;)

Fumus
04-30-2004, 09:06 PM
lol star! Well maybe there will be pics of it to see. Obviously Roger will spank Andy's sucky little ass but it's still a nice thing for them to do.

In the words of Johnny Mac - "You cannot be serious!"

Fumus
04-30-2004, 09:08 PM
Maybe durning the match they will fall in love with each other and then form the meanest doubles team by the likes the world has never seen...mmmmuuu whhhooo hahaha!

Havok
04-30-2004, 09:12 PM
who's "obody"?;)
fixed your majesty:rolleyes:

:p

Deboogle!.
04-30-2004, 09:14 PM
fixed your majesty:rolleyes:

:p

:nerner:

:hug:

Havok
04-30-2004, 09:21 PM
:D

andyroxmysox12191
04-30-2004, 10:23 PM
lol. you know what else i wanna see besides the bob and mike vs blake and fish and have andy as the ump? roger and andy play doubles together :lol:

star
04-30-2004, 10:30 PM
Roger and Andy as doubles would be great..... but it's not gonna happen! :)

andyroxmysox12191
04-30-2004, 10:37 PM
if only they had dinner together or something and decided to play doubles together. *sigh* i think my brother would hate it in a way but he'd still like it. kinda confusing with what he'd think about it ;)

Deboogle!.
04-30-2004, 11:04 PM
I think there are some people who would not be able to handle Roger and Andy communicating on the same side of the court in a friendly manner :) But I agree, that'd be cool

J. Corwin
05-01-2004, 12:02 AM
It's been awhile when the top singles players in the world join up for doubles.

Carito_90
05-01-2004, 12:53 AM
excuse me :)


In the words of Johnny Mac - "You cannot be serious!"

:haha:

Thanx :)

Havok
05-01-2004, 12:59 AM
I didn't know about the doubles hit and gigle with Andy being the chair ump:D that will be loads of fun:rocker2:

Carito_90
05-01-2004, 01:10 AM
lol. you know what else i wanna see besides the bob and mike vs blake and fish and have andy as the ump? roger and andy play doubles together

duh i'd like Andy and Mardy vs Ferrero and Moya... gosh that'd be.. over the top! (you know.. for girls.. or maybe just for me :lol: )

Fumus
05-01-2004, 01:32 AM
I think if I was pizza, I would be pepperoni, but, maybe anchovie because no one would eat me and I don't wanna get eaten and die that would suck...

MisterQ
05-01-2004, 02:59 AM
I think if I was pizza, I would be pepperoni, but, maybe anchovie because no one would eat me and I don't wanna get eaten and die that would suck...

Good point Fumus. I'm glad someone on this thread is getting to the heart of the matter. That would so suck bad bad.

I would be a Limburger Cheese pizza, that would keep me safe. ;)

andyroxmysox12191
05-01-2004, 03:00 AM
I didn't know about the doubles hit and gigle with Andy being the chair ump
you didn't naldo? i think deb was the person who i told about that idea in a thread somewhere in this forum. :lol:
actually i should email USTA about it and hopefully they'll actually do it for arthur ashe kids day or whatever it's called. not remembering stuff that much right now....

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:07 AM
OH, I missinterpreted it Mani. I thought it was actually gonna happen :retard:

:secret: Skyler and Q, those pizzas might actually me eaten :scared: I would go for pizza smothered with caca, then I'll be safe as can be :cool:

andyroxmysox12191
05-01-2004, 03:21 AM
OH, I missinterpreted it Mani. I thought it was actually gonna happen
i wish it'd happen!

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 05:25 AM
LOL Naldo we were just joooooking ;)

J. Corwin
05-01-2004, 09:43 AM
OH, I missinterpreted it Mani. I thought it was actually gonna happen :retard:

:secret: Skyler and Q, those pizzas might actually me eaten :scared: I would go for pizza smothered with caca, then I'll be safe as can be :cool:

Never underestimate Fear Factor!

ok so that's even a lil overboard for that show...

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 02:37 PM
Andy drew Canas in the first round. The whole draw isn't out yet. Oh boy.

star
05-01-2004, 02:57 PM
OH, I missinterpreted it Mani. I thought it was actually gonna happen :retard:

:secret: Skyler and Q, those pizzas might actually me eaten :scared: I would go for pizza smothered with caca, then I'll be safe as can be :cool:

I would much rather be eaten than smoothered in caca. ;)

star
05-01-2004, 03:06 PM
So, anyway, our Andy was a brave and helpful fellow in Rome.

:) But we knew that about him already.

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 03:08 PM
Yes we did :) I'm very proud.

If only I was as confident in his ability to beat Canas as I am in the quality of his character :)

star
05-01-2004, 03:39 PM
I was drinking my coffee and had a thought and nearly choked.

Andy helped the firemen even though there were no cameras around. Remember that poster who said that Andy was only nice so long as there were cameras but she had "personally" observed that he was not nice when she saw him in a hotel with no cameras nearby????

:haha: :haha:

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 03:43 PM
:)

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 03:51 PM
Andy's draw pretty much sucks

Canas, then Q or David Sanches, then in R3 one of - Hewitt, Pavel, or Lapentti most likely. Haas, Clement, Moya all in the other part of that quarter. Would be absolutely ridiculous to look past that

Havok
05-01-2004, 03:55 PM
Bye bye Andy in ROme :retard: That's an extremely tough draw even for the best claycourters out there. I'de be happy if he can beat Canas

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 04:02 PM
lol yea Naldo. But hey, Andy said he knew he needed to get serious on clay, well the draw gods have given him such an opportunity.

man, between the fire, this shittastic draw, and the thunderstorms outside, it's a really crappy day.

tangerine_dream
05-01-2004, 04:55 PM
Escaping Burning Buildings in Rome :retard:

star
05-01-2004, 04:58 PM
I hope Andy puts something up on his web site about it.

Sjeng and Ivan seemed to be pretty shaken up.

And Safin losing most of his stuff. !!

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 05:04 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see something up on Andy's site - maybe not from him but one of his agent-y types who travels with him and writes stuff for the site.

Couldn't the draw have gotten burned? :o

MisterQ
05-01-2004, 05:07 PM
Couldn't the draw have gotten burned? :o

:lol:

No, those draws are 100% asbestos. ;)

Deboogle!.
05-01-2004, 05:10 PM
*snaps fingers in disappointment* well, DAMN!

tangerine_dream
05-01-2004, 06:00 PM
This tournament sounds cursed. The fire was bad karma. Andy should've just stayed home. :scared:

Fedex
05-01-2004, 07:32 PM
Bunk maybe you should put this in the Dent forum. I don't think its Andy who has a problem with pizza.
:lol: :haha:

J. Corwin
05-01-2004, 10:47 PM
The draw isn't absolutely atrocious. It's do-able.

star
05-01-2004, 11:53 PM
I was thinking that this thread should probably be: Andy plays while Rome burns. :)

Deboogle!.
05-03-2004, 06:55 PM
Andy's match is tomorrow, third on center court. Play starts at 1pm Rome time, that's 7am Eastern US time if I can add right :)

Mr. Man
05-03-2004, 07:26 PM
...and I will be sleeping. :lol: Best of luck to Roddick in his first match. Show me some clay skills, man.

Fumus
05-03-2004, 07:36 PM
Skylers picks are back...check out the thread, you might be suprised about what I have to say.

Deboogle!.
05-03-2004, 07:44 PM
...and I will be sleeping. :lol: Best of luck to Roddick in his first match. Show me some clay skills, man.

lol well Andy probably won't actually play til 11am or so eastern.

Havok
05-03-2004, 07:52 PM
My last class of the day finishes at 11, so I dunno if I would stick around school and follow the match on the dreadful slow ass computers in the lab or get home as fast as possible and catch the middle/end of the second set

Deboogle!.
05-03-2004, 07:55 PM
up to you Naldo ;) There aren't any good live scores anyway so you might as well just high-tail it home

Fumus
05-03-2004, 08:00 PM
I will be watching it on TTC....;)

Havok
05-03-2004, 08:08 PM
I hope they chose this match to air at night, that is only if he wins:p

and Skyler, I'm envious of you and your TTC:fiery:

Deboogle!.
05-03-2004, 08:09 PM
lol Naldo for your sake I hope so too.

Deboogle!.
05-03-2004, 09:15 PM
I didn't know Canas is/was playing a doubles match today. Maybe it'll be/it was a tough, tiring 3-setter :devil:

Fumus
05-03-2004, 09:44 PM
hmmm...I have a webcam an another camera, I will see what I can record for y'all

Deboogle!.
05-03-2004, 09:46 PM
Canas and Chela won their dubs... but it was a 3-setter lol, doesn't look like it would've been a horribly long one though 16 64 64 - does anyone think that changes anything? Give Canas confidence, or make him tired, or whatever?

Fumus
05-03-2004, 09:49 PM
I think it will make Canas think twice before staying in that hotel made out of old newspapers lol!!

Havok
05-03-2004, 09:51 PM
It really shouldn't affect his game whatsoever. He's been playing on the red stuff now for a couple of weeks so this doubles match is just getting in those extra matches on red clay. It won't make him better prepared for tomorrow, and I highly doubt that he'll get tuckered out from a measly 3 set win in the doubles draw.

J. Corwin
05-03-2004, 10:37 PM
Andy will win, but I'll be in bed asleep at the time. I WILL wake up to pleasant scores. ;)

heya
05-04-2004, 01:59 AM
Andy seems to struggle a lot more this year, imo.

It'd be better if he wins because he can
beat someone who's at full strength.
Remember the David fans during US Open? :angel:
Andy knows it was good for his opponents
when his body and mind weren't ready too.
*:rolleyes: at aus open 03/masters cup/scottsdale/memphis/houston!
He took weeks off in Feb. 03 after his self-described nick knack injuries.
There was a tv clip of him during a Delray Beach match when he sprained his ankle.
I don't like his schedule and I sense that he's not gonna fight for every point here.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 02:35 AM
why do you think he won't fight for every point? Even when he's exhausted or not feeling well or whatever, Andy always fights IMO

andyroxmysox12191
05-04-2004, 02:49 AM
DEB!!! you don't wanna watch any LOTR movies or read any of the Harry Potter books or ride a rollercoaster!? :shock:
lol sorry but i was at your site and i love three of em so..i just had to say something.:lol:

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 02:52 AM
lmgdfao random much? ;) And no, no I do not. Well I get motion sickness, that's why I'm a no-go on a rollercoaster and the others... well I just have no desire!

andyroxmysox12191
05-04-2004, 03:01 AM
yeah i just realized that was really, really random. :)
i understand about the rollercoaster but the movie/book *sigh* i really love them but everyone has their own opinion so i don't blame you ;)

J. Corwin
05-04-2004, 03:07 AM
I love the thrill of roller coasters. :yeah:

Havok
05-04-2004, 03:15 AM
Allez roller coasters :worship: LOVE them :rocker2: Although I can't eat food while I'm at an amusement park, I got on just about anything and everything :drive:

star
05-04-2004, 03:15 AM
I don't remember EVER having motion sickness. I canNOT relate.

One of my favorite things to do as a little kid was spin in circles until I got dizzy and fall down. Some say I haven't really progressed that far. ;)


Never read a Harry Potter book.. Might have if I were younger.

Really liked the LOTR books.

Havok
05-04-2004, 03:18 AM
Don't read LOTR books, found the first movie extremely :yawn: but maybe that was because I wasn't in the greatest of moods, :lol:. Read the first 4 installments of the HArry Potter books, have the 5th but am lazt at the moment. ALLEZ:rocker2: oh and star, it doesn't matter what age you are:p, Harry Potter books are very entertaining

andyroxmysox12191
05-04-2004, 03:24 AM
it really doesn't matter what age you are when readiny Harry Potter books. my brother LOVES them as much as i do.
the first LOTR movie wasn't as great as the other two basically cause it was just an intro to the second. what kept me going was aragorn (could he be any more uglier in real life than in the movie :lol: he was gorgeous in the movie to me at least) and legolas (gotta love Orlando!) :lick: and also the fact i wanted to see what the big hype was. turned out to be a great movie nonetheless :)

One of my favorite things to do as a little kid was spin in circles until I got dizzy and fall down.

i still do that :D
only if i have time to but it's so much fun :)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 03:41 AM
I don't remember EVER having motion sickness. I canNOT relate.


Consider yourself really lucky. it sucks. I can't read in the car, or in a plane unless there's absolutely no turbulence at all. IMAX theater? forget it.

Havok
05-04-2004, 03:47 AM
pauvre Deb:hug: I don't really get motion sickness, though if it's pretty bad I might get queazy but that's about the extent of it.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 03:51 AM
well I mean, I just avoid the things that would make me sick. Considering the alternative is yakking up a storm, I don't feel like I'm missing out lmao

Havok
05-04-2004, 03:55 AM
well when it comes to rollercoasters and thrill rides, I'm afraid you are missing out:sad:

:p

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 04:12 AM
I've never gotten motion sickness either. I love being thrown around. ;)

star
05-04-2004, 04:30 AM
And another thing I just cannot relate to is fear of heights! I love being up high. I like standing on the edge of cliffs.............. even though I know it is dangerous....... I like to put my toes just off the edge. When I was little I liked to climb trees when the wind was blowing hard to get tossed around in the branches toward the top of the tree.

My brother and I climbed on rooves and spent one summer mostly jumping off the garage roof. Climbed up... jumped off and climbed up again.

MisterQ
05-04-2004, 04:36 AM
that's remarkable star. I am exhilarated by heights, but too nervous to stand on a cliff with my toes on the edge.

Twice when I have been hiking (once in Alaska, once in the Adirondacks), I have suddenly and without warning burst out of the woods into total emptiness, only a couple of feet from a massive drop-off with a panoramic view. I must say the combination of exhilaration, awe, and sheer terror was electrifying. :)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 04:36 AM
And another thing I just cannot relate to is fear of heights! I love being up high. I like standing on the edge of cliffs.............. even though I know it is dangerous....... I like to put my toes just off the edge. When I was little I liked to climb trees when the wind was blowing hard to get tossed around in the branches toward the top of the tree.

My brother and I climbed on rooves and spent one summer mostly jumping off the garage roof. Climbed up... jumped off and climbed up again.

I'm about to throw up and pass out just reading this :sad: :scared: :bolt:

star
05-04-2004, 04:43 AM
You are missing out, Bunkita. :)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 04:46 AM
*thinks about it* hmmmmm..... no I really don't feel like I am LOL

J. Corwin
05-04-2004, 06:41 AM
I absolutely love those IMAX theaters. I love the awe of great heights as well...but I would never get as close to the edge as putting my toes over the dropoff.

star
05-04-2004, 01:04 PM
How about ON the edge?

How about walking across a stone arch the width of a side walk with a 400 foot drop?

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 05:32 PM
Ok Andy, 35 winners and 35 errors. 49% first serves in. 3DF and 2 of them on break points. Just get the hell out of Rome, go to Germany and WIN A COUPLE OF FUCKING MATCHES!

Mr. Man
05-04-2004, 05:37 PM
:rolleyes: Andy! Roland Garros will look just like last year. I hope I am wrong though.

Havok
05-04-2004, 05:38 PM
I second that :drive: he needs to leave like NOW to hamburg and get familiar with his surroundings and the clay. it will help him during his actual matches. oh and a kinder draw wouldn't hurt either, :lol:

Nishy
05-04-2004, 05:40 PM
Oh, Andy!

What wrong with him?
I heard he had a trainer on court to check his left patella in 2nd set.

Hope he can win couple of match in Germany and FRENCH Open!

J. Corwin
05-04-2004, 06:39 PM
He better not be injured (with the knee/left patella) thing. Not a shocking loss but still awful performance.

Lets win a few matches this Europe clay season, ok?

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 06:40 PM
Hopefully they ask about the knee/whatever in the press conference and we'll get the transcript of it. He better be ok after taking 2 weeks off and then putting in a mentally absent performance like that.

He got 4 first serves in in the second set. FOUR out of 18.

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 06:57 PM
:haha: :bigcry: <---- to the thread name change

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:00 PM
well don't you agree!? lol

gah.... I'm really mad at Andy! lol

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:03 PM
on a lighter note I guess.... I much approve of Andy's outfit

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 07:03 PM
I'm mad at him for such sloppy work and also laughing at the same time because the match seemed beyond embarassingly bad. This has to be his worst match of the year. He shouldn't be allowed out in public without a bag over his head. ;)

Way to go Andy. NO ONE will mess with you now! The fearsome Clay Court King of Europe has returned! Whooooo! :bigclap:

heya
05-04-2004, 07:04 PM
If he's not someone's fave player, it's not bothersome to see Andy like this.
Maybe mattress mac can build another clay stadium in Paris,
so Andy won't feel guilty for not playing Houston.
It's predictable that Andy avoids playing with tough draws
and nobody bothers to guide him in the right direction when it comes
to training and scheduling.
Why complain about playing a good clay player? He needs experience-win or lose.
he has to stop thinking:
I have Gilbert. My overall technique and frustration don't hurt me.

We know he can show no emotion but show no strong concentration/fight.
Rarely before did I ever see him waste many break chances, missed easy overhead shots, lose serves in succession & stopped caring.
If I read Rosie/TheBoiledEgg/mardyfishfan's irritating posts again, I will strangle them!

He hasn't been exactly great on other surfaces, and I don't see him training much on the US grass/clay courts(there's hardly any).
It's not shocking to me that he's not feeling well and suffering from depression.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:08 PM
how do you know he is depressed? that's quite a statement without having any proof lol... I understand what you're trying to say heya, but you can't know what Andy's thinking, you don't know if he thinks "I have Gilbert, I'm going to win"

It doesn't sound like technique was his problem at all today, it sounds like it was all mental, for both players really. I guess we just have to wait and see what happens in Hamburg, if he does this again then I'll start to be really worried/embarrassed/angry. and I won't even be here to see that one unfold :(

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 07:10 PM
The hotel fire? Bad, bad omen ..... :scared:

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:14 PM
I agree, tangy... BaselineSmash in GM is saying he had the trainer out for tendonitis and that he said it was really bad. I don't know where he/she got this info but if that's the case well then... *throws hands up* I just don't know what to say. :sad:

Neely
05-04-2004, 07:15 PM
I second that :drive: he needs to leave like NOW to hamburg and get familiar with his surroundings and the clay. it will help him during his actual matches. oh and a kinder draw wouldn't hurt either, :lol:
exactly, he should leave fucking Rome where was nothing but trouble with that fire and head to Hamburg now, it's not such a warm and historical place like Rome, but can be also nice ;) :cool:

star
05-04-2004, 07:19 PM
Hamburg is a very nice place. It's all new since the war, but I love the Alster Sea in the middle of town. It's gemutlich (with an umlaut, I belive)

Too bad about Andy though.

I guess Bunkieboo called this one correctly. :)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:21 PM
exactly, he should leave fucking Rome where was nothing but trouble with that fire and head to Hamburg now, it's not such a warm and historical place like Rome, but can be also nice ;) :cool:

Well Hamburg can't really treat him much worse than Rome did, now can it? lol

Neely you saw the match, didn't you? What can you say about Andy's knee???

I hate this picture.

star, trust me I wish I had been wrong. and mind you when I said I thought he was going to lose..... I did not have this in mind.

star
05-04-2004, 07:22 PM
on a lighter note I guess.... I much approve of Andy's outfit

I hate the forrest service outfit. Maybe he will have a BLM outfit next.

I'll be glad to see the END of the John Deere hat too.

So what did Andy do that made Deb so mad?

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:24 PM
he gave up

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:26 PM
No actually. I'm not mad at him, I'm just disappointed. He had a real opportunity here, not just rankings-wise but to really go out and prove something, beat a good clay-courter in the first round, build some confidence, get comfortable in Europe, build up to a non-first round loss at the French, and on and on.

But I'm ultimately a little worried, When even non-fans are admitting it wasn't his tennis that was the problem that it was his brain, that he gets 22% of first serves in a set, that he double-faulted twice in the match and both on BP down...this is all disconcerting. something was bothering him, whether it was the fire still, his knee, his general discomfort on the surface, whatever.... that's why I really want to know what he said in his press conference about it all before I really decide how I feel about it.

star
05-04-2004, 07:27 PM
I haven't read anything about the match, so I'm sort of lost.

Of course, you know my feeling about him taking such a long time off and such a long time to get over to Europe. But, Andy is the one who's got to figure all of that out.

heya
05-04-2004, 07:28 PM
On clay, he can't just expect his forehand/serve to give him wins.
I've seen his 03 Houston semis/finals matches when he
was extremely lazy: not flattening out his serve/return, rushed a lot, then double faulted. He didn't take a step forward before it was too late to reach drop shots. He wouldn't move his legs-sometimes just standing around & letting others dictate play. He absolutely choked against Agassi in the final.
He knew that and was really bitter in the trophy ceremony.

He was successful when he bent his knees, disguised his shots & volleyed only when opponents were in trouble.


The AusOpen and Scottsdale matches were the worst this year to me.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:31 PM
what do you want to know about the match? He got broken at 2-2 in the first set after having been down 0-40 and he had fought back to deuce with two serve-volley points then double-faulted on break point. With Canas serving for the match at 5-4, Andy had 15-40, missed both points, then saved I think 3 set points before he actually broke back, then served to love to take it 6-5 then Canas forced the TB. Andy was down 2-4 in the TB and battled back. Served for the set at 6-5, hit an error, had a couple set points other times but lost it 7-9. Then to open the second, he had 15-40 and then an Ad on Canas's serve and then couldn't convert, then he proceeded to lose his serve with a double fault. At 1-4 he had 0-40 and fought back again, only to get broken again with a volley into the net. Then Canas served it out at love. Andy had 35 winners and 35 errors, only 4 aces, served at 49% for the match and 22% (4/18) in the second, was 1/7 on break points and sounds like he played his worst tennis on the big points.

At some point he called the trainer for his knee. Unclear at this point what exactly is wrong and how bad it is. And people say he showed little emotion throughout, especially in the second.

Nila
05-04-2004, 07:31 PM
Life's not fair!!! :[
I know, it isn't too deep, but that's all i want to say (now)




:fiery: :retard: :banghead: :ras: :awww: :explode:

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:33 PM
"I definitely don't think I put forth my best effort today, so it's a little disappointing," Roddick said.
----

thanks captain obvious :o *needs to see the rest of this press conference*

but hey, at least he talked to the press lol

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 07:33 PM
Don't worry, bunk :hug: Whenever Andy suffers bad defeats like this, he tends to become inspired by them. Don't let it get you down. I am confident that he will, someday SOON, figure out how to get around the european clay problem. :)

Honestly, I really didn't get the feeling that he was ready and charging to go to Europe anyways. He was practically dragged over there. Once he settles in, it'll get better.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:34 PM
I hope you're right :) His chances in 2004 are about to run out....

Havok
05-04-2004, 07:36 PM
I am diggin this outfit as well :rocker2: Like the fact that he ditched the black mesh:ras: for white, looks much better now. I like the forest green polo as well:banana: its just about the only good thing to come out of that match:lol:

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:37 PM
a little more:
----
"I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another, but I don't think it was that (the fire)," said the 21-year-old, who blew three set points in an evenly-balanced first set.


"It's tough to put a thing like that out of your mind, but the bottom line is I played badly.


"It's no secret that clay is not my favourite surface and that is something that I've got to work on."

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 07:52 PM
a little more:
----
"I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another, but I don't think it was that (the fire)," said the 21-year-old, who blew three set points in an evenly-balanced first set.

"It's tough to put a thing like that out of your mind, but the bottom line is I played badly.

"It's no secret that clay is not my favourite surface and that is something that I've got to work on."

My interpretation is that Andy just wasn't into the match, period. Canas came out with a winner's attitude and Andy was like "yeah, whatever." I don't think the fire affected him, I think it's just that he wasn't ready to be there and really play. Eurosport mentioned that his body language was horrible throughout the match. No wonder Canas knew he would win. :rolleyes:

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 07:52 PM
And yeah, awesome outfit! :yeah:

Don't wear it again. :(

Havok
05-04-2004, 07:54 PM
And yeah, awesome outfit! :yeah:

Don't wear it again. :(
What does this mean? You liked the outfit, but its a "loser's" outfit, so he shouldnt wear it again?:scratch:

heya
05-04-2004, 07:54 PM
He had no problem going to Memphis & Scottsdale but he was too chicken for Monte Carlo. Ohhh, he was so freaking exhausted! :scared:
Did he worry about his well-being? Nooo, it's becoming tragic!
I may at the same time, cry for and laugh at him & his family/friends. :unsure:

This reminds me of that French Open Chang match--he foolishly ate hamburgers before playing! FOOD BOY!

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 07:55 PM
What does this mean? You liked the outfit, but its a "loser's" outfit, so he shouldnt wear it again?:scratch:

Yes. He needs to lose the "loser's outfits" no matter how stylish. ;)

Fumus
05-04-2004, 07:56 PM
Be gald you don't have TTC after that loose, I turned it off halfway through the second...

Fumus
05-04-2004, 07:57 PM
Roddick played awful...yuck

Havok
05-04-2004, 07:58 PM
poor Skyler:hug: but if yu need a hug, just imagine how big of a hug Andy needs right about now:scared: and pffff tangy, screw the losers outfit thought. IF the outfit is rockin, wear it again no matter what :rocker2: and besides, he's gonna keep on having variations of these types of outfits, I'm just glad he let go of the black mesh from his trucker hat:D

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 07:59 PM
Skyler what about his knee? Did it really seem to be problematic?

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 08:01 PM
Skyler, if you saw the match I'd love to hear your account of it (even though you got disgusted and turned it off :lol: ).

Naldo, remember those awesome orange and white outfits he wore for clay season a few years ago? I LOVED those outfits. That, with the pineapple hair, my favorite Andy look. :banana:

And he always lost when he wore them. :p

Fumus
05-04-2004, 08:02 PM
My account is in my pick thread, I have to go to school, I will post more on it later...

Nishy
05-04-2004, 08:17 PM
I still believe he can figure out how to play well on Europe clay soon and can defeat good claycourters.
It is little early to decide that he never win European clay tournament.
When he is like 25 years old, then he still struggle to play on clay court, I might start not expecting Andy to win on clay...
But I really hope he is getting better!

heya
05-04-2004, 08:34 PM
I'm sure we'll see the real Andy at 25, who'll be wiser
-not an Andy clone who told an Evening Magazine tv show reporter that he played at a high level because he hired Brad.
ESPN commentators still nag him about his "imperfections," but in a few years, he'll shut them up.

I don't know him, so he won't be sad that I want him to be Superman. :timebomb:

merle
05-04-2004, 08:36 PM
Hey, I LOVE this green outfit!!!! :o: I saw the match Deb, it was definitely his head, he had absolutely BRILLIANT shots and then appalling mistakes, didn't take his chances. He could have taken the 1s set TB so when he lost that he just gave up. I wonder about the knee I heard what he said to the trainer but he wasn't showing that he was in lot of pain so :confused: And I don't agree with WyveN (in the GM) that his technique was no good, OK he hadn't the patience maybe but it wasn't like he couldn't have won - he had 3 set balls!!!

merle
05-04-2004, 08:39 PM
And yeah, he wasn't showing any emotions really and his head was down from the beginning I guess. I haven't seen him like that with his head down all the time!

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 08:40 PM
Thanks for your take on the match, merle. That's basically how Eurosport described the match as it went on - flashes of great play and then flashes of horrible play. I hate hearing that he beat himself :( I just hope he takes this and uses it as motivation.

So what exactly did he say to the trainer?

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 08:41 PM
And yeah, he wasn't showing any emotions really and his head was down from the beginning I guess. I haven't seen him like that with his head down all the time!

wow... that's the worst thing of all...

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 08:57 PM
Gotta love these agony of defeat photos. This is the worst body language I've seen on him since TMC Houston. :eek:

Being used as target practice is fun!
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40114000/jpg/_40114865_ro_afp_203.jpg

Yep. I suck.
http://espn.starwave.com/media/ten/2004/0504/photo/g_aroddick_frt.jpg

This is what a winner looks like :banana:
http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/tennis/img7305445.jpg

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 09:02 PM
yep..... pretty much :/

MisterQ
05-04-2004, 09:07 PM
Aww, Andy LOST? :sad: (sorry, I'm a little slow...)

that sucks

Well, the most important thing is that he looked good in green. green looks nice against clay.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 09:16 PM
there's audio at the ATP site but it's Andy talking about how much better for him the surface is.... gee, that helped a lot.

Carito_90
05-04-2004, 09:19 PM
I watched andy's match too... and it was a pretty irregular match. He had his ups and downs (take on count that i only watched since 5-4, first set). Andy made some winners, but he broke cañas in the 10th game mostly because Cañas was havin probs with his serve. For example, he made 2 double faults in the same game. Andy saved 4 match points and, after that, he broke Cañas, he just made 4 good serves and took the game. Same with Cañas (i'm not that sure.. but i think so lol) and they went to the tiebreak. Andy had 2 set points. One with Cañas' serve, and the other one with his. The tiebreak ended up going to Cañas' (of course lol), 9-7.
2nd set. Andy played TERRIBLY bad. I mean, he had probs with his knee... he complained about it a few times actually... but still, it seemed nothing to get worried about. But when he started playin the 2nd set... you could tell he was tired and he wasn't doin very well with his knee. He wasn't moving too much.
When he had to serve.. omg seriously, it was painful to watch! He couldn't put any of hid first serves in! (Imagine, he had 17% in the 2nd set).
He played like that mostly the whole set. He was making lots of unforced mistakes, and you could see he wasn't focused. He finally "gave up" the match.

I dont know if he meant it, but at the end of the match, when they both shaked hands, cañas asked Andy if he was okay (because of the knee) and he said "Yeah, yeah, thanks".

Okay, that's my lil report of... well... half of the match? lol
Hope u lik it :)

Carito_90
05-04-2004, 09:27 PM
Aww tangy, he looks cute!
He looked very dissapointed the whole match actually (especially in the second set, of course).

heya
05-04-2004, 09:28 PM
I don't even know why he
expects so little of himself on clay when it's obvious that he can win major clay titles with more experience and hard work.
What's sad is he's not encouraged to play more on all surfaces.
Imo, he's not happy with his training despite what he says.

andyroxmysox12191
05-04-2004, 09:30 PM
wow...my brother was the first one to tell me once i got online. *sigh* i knew he'd lose in a way but i was thinking that just maybe he might win for once. :(
guess i gotta change my sig now....

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 09:40 PM
I dont know if he meant it, but at the end of the match, when they both shaked hands, cañas asked Andy if he was okay (because of the knee) and he said "Yeah, yeah, thanks".


Wow that was very nice of Canas. thanks for your report Carito. The whole thing just sounds bad, forgettable. He needs to get past it, take from it what he can, and then forget about it.

What was he saying about his knee? I keep reading different things!

and heya, if Andy's unhappy with his training, he's the only one who can change it. He's a grownup, if he's unhappy with something he changes it. How can you possibly know what he's happy or unhappy with? You said you don't know him but you make an awful lot of conjectures as to what he's thinking lol

Carito_90
05-04-2004, 09:58 PM
guess i gotta change my sig now....

NO WAY! you're sig rocks really bad mani! :haha:

What was he saying about his knee? I keep reading different things!


No i mean, he didn't say anything about it... he just made this "painful" faces, and he scratched his knee with his racquet several times.. but tecnically he didn't say anything about it. But you could tell he wasn't okay.

How can you possibly know what he's happy or unhappy with?

That's exactly the same thing i wondered when i read that lol

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:02 PM
oh ok thanks Carito. You should go to the thread in GM and explain that to the lovely Domino and RogiFan :o

andyroxmysox12191
05-04-2004, 10:02 PM
well i should change the part with Rome at least. i like the rest :)

zoltan83
05-04-2004, 10:02 PM
:sad: What a bad day today. Andy and Daniela losted.

So well, I didn't see the match but well... the score in the second set is :eek: I know that clay isn't is best surface but he can do better than this.

Carito_90
05-04-2004, 10:07 PM
You should go to the thread in GM and explain that to the lovely Domino and RogiFan

oki doki :) lol

I know that clay isn't is best surface but he can do better than this.

yah we know.. but he had a kind of "knee injury".. but we're not sure tho

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:22 PM
Roddick loses in first round of Italian Open

VICTOR SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, May 4, 2004

Andy Roddick's visit to Rome was a rough one, starting with a fire in his hotel and ending with a first-round upset in the Italian Open.

"It's tough to put it out of your mind. You know it's going to creep in," Roddick said after losing to Guillermo Canas in straight sets Tuesday.

The U.S. Open champion was beaten 7-6 (7), 6-1, wasting three set points in the tiebreaker, then putting up little resistance in the second set. Not the kind of performance Roddick hoped for in his preparation for the French Open, the only Grand Slam tournament played on clay.

Three tourists died in a dawn fire Saturday in the five-star hotel where Roddick and several other players and tennis officials were staying. They were evacuated and moved to another hotel.

"I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another," the American said, although he didn't directly point to the fire as a distraction.

On court, Roddick said, "I was rushing things. I definitely don't think I put forth my best effort today, so it's a little disappointing."

Roddick was erratic, committing 35 unforced errors to only 11 for Canas, who won the first set when Roddick netted a shot at his feet.

Canas pulled away in the second set, breaking Roddick's serve three times.

"I played well, within my level," said Canas -- who was described by Roddick as "not the ideal opponent you'd want to play if you're having an off day."

Roddick, a first-round loser at the French Open the past two years, makes no secret that red clay is not his favorite surface, although he was a finalist on green clay in Houston two weeks ago. (do they know nothing? gah Houston is even slower red clay than Rome!)

He plans to play in Hamburg, Germany, next week before heading to Paris.

heya
05-04-2004, 10:27 PM
1. He said he was frustrated on clay.
2. He/Gilbert aren't exactly applauding his efforts.
3. He said the court was ok in Rome for him, but he failed to break serve 6 times.
His return's horrendous.
4. He played really poorly -at least 1 bad match every tournament because he
always volleyed at wrong times + mishit easy overheads/forehands.
Time for a good practice partner! :p
5. He's served poorly--that's why he missed 1st serves
& double faulted. If he's happy with it, he wouldn't be uncomfortable.
It's not against the rule to serve slower. That way he can win a stupid tiebreak.
Even an underhanded serve is effective.
(I just watched a junior tournament when a boy won because he did that :bounce: ).

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 10:29 PM
Carito and merle, thanks for your match observations :wavey:

Mr. Man
05-04-2004, 10:31 PM
Love the outfit. Just sucks ass he lost to freakin' Canas.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:32 PM
the point, heya, is that he obviously had a really bad day today and that it was mental. You're making all kinds of generalizations from one bad day and one bad match. He shows up in Hamburg and Roland Garros and does the exact same thing then I'll probably start agreeing with you but IMO the situation is not that bleak or dire yet.

heya
05-04-2004, 10:42 PM
off day? little disappointing? LMAO
I've seen him down 0-40 many times.
Before, uncharacteristic errors weren't as damaging to him because he actually
fought hard & rarely dumped serves this easily.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:46 PM
Confidence of Canas puts paid to Roddick
By John Roberts in Rome
The Independent, UK
05 May 2004


Andy Roddick's withdrawal from the recent Monte Carlo Masters prompted the tournament director, Patrice Dominguez, to say that Brad Gilbert, the US Open champion's coach, "who never won a match on clay," did not believe that Roddick could win the French Open.

That remains to be seen, but Roddick, the second seed, made a sorry start on the road to Roland Garros yesterday, losing to Guillermo Canas, of Argentina, in the first round of the Rome Masters, 7-6, 6-1.

Having been hailed as a hero on Saturday, after helping guests to safety from a fire at the Parc dei Principi, the official players' hotel, the 21-year-old Roddick was unable to make his mark on the Centre Court at the Foro Italico.

"I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another, but I don't think it was because of [the fire]," Roddick said. "It's tough to put that out of your mind, but the point is I had plenty of days to get ready. I had a tennis match to play, and I didn't do that. I was rushing things [today]."

Although evidently off form, Roddick fought hard throughout the opening set. He saved four set points as Canas served at 5-4, and created three set points in the tie-break before netting a service return on his opponent's fifth set point to lose the shoot-out, 9-7.

As Canas grew in confidence, Roddick began to wilt. The American had treatment to his left knee after losing the opening three games of the second set, and never looked capable of stalling Canas' advance to a second-round match against David Sanchez, of Spain.

"The [pain] in the knee is something that comes from time to time from playing from week to week," Roddick said. "Nothing serious."

Dirk
05-04-2004, 10:52 PM
Well at least the knee pain isn't serious. Its only a match. Everyone has bad days. Its not like Pete or Andre never lost in a 1st rd before. At least he lost to someone who is good on clay. Andy is very young and has plenty of time to get better at this clay stuff.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:52 PM
I really like Tennis Life's reports. Plus it has more from the press conference

2004 Italian Open News
Alix Ramsay | May 4 , 2004

It has been an eventful few days for Andy Roddick - rather too eventful for his liking. After proving himself to be the hero of the moment on Saturday, helping seven people escape from the fire that reduced his hotel to ash and rubble, he was in desperate need of a bit of help himself today as he faced Guillermo Canas in the first round of the Rome Masters. Unfortunately for him, there was no one ready to risk life, limb and reputation for his cause and Roddick, the No.2 seed, was sent packing 7-6, 6-1.

Canas is nobody's favorite opponent, especially on clay. One of the massed ranks of South American players who is happy to run until he drops in pursuit of lost causes, he simply refuses to give up. Not that he had much running to do on Tuesday. With Roddick's mind obviously elsewhere, all Canas had to do was keep the ball in court and let Roddick do the rest.

It did not take long before our hero had had enough. He yelled, he swore and he threatened time and again to smash his racquet to smithereens. Sure enough the serve could, from time to time knock lumps out of both the court and Canas, but it was not enough. Deciding that brute force was the only answer, he started slapping the ball this way and that but seldom in court. He had made a complete hash of the match and he knew it.

The events of the weekend had not helped his preparations, but, he said, they had not been the root cause of his troubles. Remarkably calm after his two sets of mayhem, he took the blame square on the chin.

"Sure, it's tough to put it out of your mind," he said of the hotel fire, "and it's got to kick in at some point. But I don't think it was because of that. I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another, I was rushing things today. I definitely don't think I put forth my best effort so that was a little disappointing. The point is that I had a tennis match to play and I didn't do that. I had plenty of days to get ready, to get mentally ready and I didn't do that."

While he admits that clay is not his favorite surface, he has still managed to win four titles on the stuff but, when it comes to the Masters Series events on the slow, red dirt, he has made a habit of going out in the early stages. Two years ago he reached the semi-finals here (his only decent showing in this European swing of the tour) but, looking back on it, he is not quite sure how he did it.

"I was really excited about the conditions when I got here," he said, "but it's no secret that this is not my first surface. I think it's a matter of getting over that first hump. If I could have got past a couple of rounds, I'm sure I would have started to feel a lot better. It's weird because usually I feel really good on clay. It's just that when I have an off-day, I feel really bad." (very interesting)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:55 PM
Well at least the knee pain isn't serious. Its only a match. Everyone has bad days. Its not like Pete or Andre never lost in a 1st rd before. At least he lost to someone who is good on clay. Andy is very young and has plenty of time to get better at this clay stuff.

Yes, I'm glad to hear that the knee won't be a problem. He did have surgery on it in 2000 or something, before he even turned pro, so I'm glad to hear it's not something coming from that that could be a problem again.

As for the other things, yes I agree with all of that.... but none of it is why I'm disappointed with this match. Andy did not lose today because clay is his worst surface and he's not good on it. From what everyone who saw it, and every article said, when he was able to concentrate, he was fine and his shots were holding up well on clay. It was the fact that he couldn't maintain the concentration and the focus that's the problem, and that's disconcerting to me.

tangerine_dream
05-04-2004, 10:57 PM
Translation: "I'm still on vacation." ;)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 10:57 PM
well then it's time to return and frigging get serious.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 11:12 PM
No second round of heroics by Roddick
By Alix Ramsay in Rome
(Filed: 05/05/2004)


From hero to hopeless in one easy step. (OUCH!) Andy Roddick, who helped save seven lives at the weekend as a fire swept through his hotel, was bundled out of the Rome Masters in the first round, 7-6, 6-1, by Guillermo Canas.

Canas is, on his day, capable of beating anyone on any surface and has made a habit out of defeating Tim Henman around the world. But yesterday all he had to do was stand back and watch as the world No 2 hit the self-destruct button after 10 minutes and never recovered.

Some of Roddick's shots were not so much wild as crazy while his game plan was built around the "belt it and see" theory. By the time the first-set tie-break had escaped him, he went quickly and quietly.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 11:12 PM
Roddick the Latest Seed to Fall in Rome
By James Eve

ROME (Reuters) - The fall of the favorites in the Rome Masters continued on Tuesday when big-hitting number two seed Andy Roddick lost to claycourt specialist Guillermo Canas.

The U.S. Open champion mixed moments of brilliance with sloppy shots to exit 7-6, 6-1 in the first round and follow third seed Rainer Schuettler, who lost to Vincent Spadea on Monday.

American Roddick's inconsistencies were summed up in the fifth game of his match against Argentine Canas.

He smashed, volleyed and then rocketed an unreturnable service past Canas to save three break points but then netted a routine forehand before losing his serve on a double fault.

Roddick managed to level at 5-5 and force a tiebreak before again proving wasteful as he threw away three set points and scooped a half-volley into the net to lose the first set.

A casual service game at the start of the second set -- concluded on another double fault -- gifted Canas a vital break, and as Roddick's first-serve figures plummeted to 17 percent the unseeded Argentine took charge to close out the match.

Roddick was asked whether his game was affected by events at the weekend, when he helped evacuate guests in a fire at a Rome hotel in which three people died.

He replied: "It's tough to put it out of your mind. It's going to creep in. But the point is I had a tennis match to play and I didn't play it.

"I had plenty of days to get ready, and kind of get myself mentally ready, and I didn't do that. I just went out there and was rushing things.

"It's no secret that clay is not my favorite surface. I think everyone has a weak surface. Clay happens to be mine. It's something I'm working on to improve." (ok, time to put the $$$$$ where the mouth is Andifer!)

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 11:28 PM
ATP's media quotes
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Roddick: “I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another, I'm not sure. I don't think it was because of that (last weekend’s events). I just went out there, I was rushing things. I definitely don't think I put forth my best effort today, so it's a little disappointing.”

(comparing the clay to Houston) “Actually, this surface probably suited me a little better. You know, the surface was fine. I think the wind had blown a lot of the clay off. The balls are going through the court very fast here. You know, I was pretty excited about the conditions when I got here. So, you know, if it is different, it was different in a positive way. No, it's tough to put out of your mind, you know; it's going to creep in. But point being, I had a tennis match to play and, you know, I didn't play it. I had plenty of days to get ready and kind of get myself mentally ready, and I didn't do that. That's pretty much the bottom line.”

(about playing on clay) “It's no secret that it's not my favorite surface, but it's, you know, definitely something that I'm trying to get better on. I think everybody has a weak surface; clay happens to be mine. But, you know, it’s something I'm working on to improve. I don't know. It's weird because usually I feel really good on clay. It's just when I have an off-day, I feel really bad. Obviously, it's not my first surface, but, you know, I've had good results. I've won four tournaments on it; semi, like you said, here at the Masters Series event. My first year on tour I probably played better on clay than I did on hard.I think it's just a matter of getting matches under my belt on clay. It's getting over that first hump. If I would have gotten maybe past a round or two here, I think I would have started feeling a lot better. So that's what I have to do.”

heya
05-04-2004, 11:30 PM
I'm not saying it's that dire, but he can't stay away from ignorant, bored detractors.

The problems are:
-concentration
-not adjusting his movement because he doesn't have a rail thin body, small hands and feet
-it's not enough just to be "mentally ready"
-not training a long time in Europe
-had little experience as a child to make it easier as an adult

If he's in pain, don't continue on. Simple.

His body language is utterly laughable.
At least, lift the head up and take deep breaths.
I wonder why Brad isn't a psychiatrist.

He did learn something: value every minute of life & be alert at hotels.

Deboogle!.
05-04-2004, 11:48 PM
At least, lift the head up and take deep breaths.


it sounds like, today, he couldn't. Sometimes he can and sometimes he can't. Compare it to the Miami QF with Moya - Andy had his head high and played on his terms til the end - if he was going to lose it was going to be on his terms. That's like night and day from today.

All I'm saying is that something was going on today and that it's been a looooooong time since Andy played THIS badly. I don't remember the last time he served below 50%, let alone had a set where he served 22%!! Considering it was clay and stuff, I'm surprised he could even hold once, to love no less in that game.

I know you're only saying the things you say because you care, that's why I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. I just see it a little differently than you :)

heya
05-05-2004, 01:41 AM
It's surprising that he doesn't know why he lost a winnable match.
Canas played a bad 1st set too.
I don't see any evidence that he thought about the importance
of serving smartly to set up the 1st point which leads to a service hold.
He can't just whip a
returnable 130 mph serve. Placement is more important. *plays violin
Against a good player, it's too late to come back from 2-5, 0-40.
@6-6, playing well in 2-3 sets, he could still win.
Enough with the weak-surface explanation. :shrug:
I bet he believed he'd win more clay matches this year- he mentioned that grand slam experience may help when he's down 2 sets.
Gilbert can do something at FO? :scratch:

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 01:44 AM
It's surprising that he doesn't know why he lost a winnable match.

Again heya, how do you know that he doesn't know why he lost? Even if he says something ambiguous to the press like "I didn't give my best effort" or whatever, that's a private matter and I'm glad he doesn't divulge that. I'd be willing to bet that Andy knows exactly what was bothering him and exactly why he didn't win the match.

Neely
05-05-2004, 01:53 AM
Roddick, a first-round loser at the French Open the past two years, makes no secret that red clay is not his favorite surface, although he was a finalist on green clay in Houston two weeks ago. (do they know nothing? gah Houston is even slower red clay than Rome!)
WTF? :eek: :eek:
see? they are talking again about green clay in Houston... the same like with Tommy Haas' webpage that said the same... good thing I asked you for the correct color some time ago in that private message ;) :)

but it's really funny to see how they all think it's green clay... :lol: :lol:

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 02:03 AM
WTF? :eek: :eek:
see? they are talking again about green clay in Houston... the same like with Tommy Haas' webpage that said the same... good thing I asked you for the correct color some time ago in that private message ;) :)

but it's really funny to see how they all think it's green clay... :lol: :lol:

lol well now I have the pictures to prove it LOL.... Really, though, if I had a way to contact the AP to tell them about their stupidity, I would lol

Havok
05-05-2004, 02:04 AM
They get confused with the claycourt tournaments held in the US with the women. There used to be green clay events, but the last one held was Atlanta 2001, which Roddick won:banana: green clay still exists, but for the WTA Tour. Was Houston a green clay event earlier on though?:scratch:

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 02:06 AM
Never in Houston... the USMCC might've been on green clay somewhere else though. It's only been in Houston 4 times.

star
05-05-2004, 02:22 AM
When Houston was a women's tournament, it was green clay.

The USCC used to be in indianapolis... something like that in the olden days. I'm not quite sure when it moved to Houston, but it's been fairly recently. maybe 5 years.

heya
05-05-2004, 02:30 AM
Hmm the interviews stink.
I guess he should just say "I don't know" instead of long obvious, vague stuff.
Maybe Captain Obvious should take his own advice and get a spine. :devil: :cuckoo:

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 02:38 AM
2001 was the first year it was in Houston. I believe before that it was somewhere in Florida. I think it's on the ATP site somewhere....

I love Andy's interviews. He tries to be thoughtful but not reveal too much. But I agree, saying something like "man I have no clue what happened there, I'm not sure myself" would suffice. I just like his honesty and modesty. He doesn't make lame excuses and stuff like that, and I appreciate that aspect of his personality.

tangerine_dream
05-05-2004, 02:42 AM
I love Andy's interviews. He tries to be thoughtful but not reveal too much. But I agree, saying something like "man I have no clue what happened there, I'm not sure myself" would suffice. I just like his honesty and modesty. He doesn't make lame excuses and stuff like that, and I appreciate that aspect of his personality.

He said exactly that after being dumped out of RG last year. :o

And I agree, I love his interviews, too. He's always sounds relaxed and cracks a good joke, win or lose. :worship:

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 02:47 AM
IMO.... Andy needs to win at least 2 matches at Hamburg or it's really going to reach problem-status

star
05-05-2004, 03:21 AM
2001 was the first year it was in Houston. I believe before that it was somewhere in Florida. I think it's on the ATP site somewhere....

I love Andy's interviews. He tries to be thoughtful but not reveal too much. But I agree, saying something like "man I have no clue what happened there, I'm not sure myself" would suffice. I just like his honesty and modesty. He doesn't make lame excuses and stuff like that, and I appreciate that aspect of his personality.

It may have been in Florida for a bit, but it was in the midwest for a long time. I think, Indianapolis. I remember Borg playing Connors there. Connors tanked the second set in an attempt to conserve energy for the third, but Borg won!! This was pre-Wimbledon Borg.

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 03:26 AM
from atptennis.com, yup :)

Please note: The US Men's Clay Court Championships were previously held in Indianapolis (1969-87), Charleston, South Carolina (1988-89), Kiawah Island, South Carolina (1990), Charlotte (1991-93), Birmingham, Alabama (1994), Pinehurst, North Carolina (1995-96) and Orlando, Florida (1997-2000).

J. Corwin
05-05-2004, 03:27 AM
Andy not knowing why he lost. That's a first. ;) *cough*

Carito_90
05-05-2004, 03:40 AM
green clay still exists, but for the WTA Tour.

No, the other day i saw a men match on green clay... but it was a challenger lol (Honra vs. "i cant remember" lol)

It's surprising that he doesn't know why he lost a winnable match.

It's also sourprising how Cañas is so underestimated.

J. Corwin
05-05-2004, 03:48 AM
Well we were talking about the main tour. so yea.

Carito_90
05-05-2004, 03:57 AM
Well we were talking about the main tour

oh.. then, nevermind lol

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 03:58 AM
It's also sourprising how Cañas is so underestimated.

hmm. is he? I looked at the betting for the match and considering Andy's rank and Canas's rank and clay results so far this season (which weren't very good), Andy wasn't that big of a favorite. Plus all the articles leading up to the match called Andy's draw "very tough" - tennis-x said his was one of the hardest of the top seeds, if not the hardest, and yea... I don't think he's underestimated much at all!

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 03:59 AM
Andy not knowing why he lost. That's a first. ;) *cough*

well big difference between really not knowing and not wanting to say to the press while you're still dealing with the disappointment. If Andy himself doesn't know why he lost, then he needs major :help: more than I originally thought.

Carito_90
05-05-2004, 04:11 AM
hmm. is he? I looked at the betting for the match and considering Andy's rank and Canas's rank and clay results so far this season (which weren't very good), Andy wasn't that big of a favorite. Plus all the articles leading up to the match called Andy's draw "very tough" - tennis-x said his was one of the hardest of the top seeds, if not the hardest, and yea... I don't think he's underestimated much at all!

Well i'm not saying you underestimate him..but i've seen some people who really do. Not here (just heya) but in AR.com.
Of course there r people that dont underestimate him AT ALL. But there are some exceptions. I said that in regards to what heya said ("It's surprising that he doesn't know why he lost a winnable match."... don't tell me that's not underestamate him.)

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 04:14 AM
ahhhh I see. well don't take what they say at AR.com they're wearing Andy blinders lol

but, Carito, Andy should've won the match, I mean not the way he played today but if you think about how inconsistently he played in the first set and still brought it to a tiebreaker and had 3 set points... if he'd been playing at all consistently or decently, he probably would've won, or at least made it much much closer.

Carito_90
05-05-2004, 04:27 AM
ahhhh I see. well don't take what they say at AR.com they're wearing Andy blinders lol

Yeah i know lol

but, Carito, Andy should've won the match, I mean not the way he played today but if you think about how inconsistently he played in the first set and still brought it to a tiebreaker and had 3 set points... if he'd been playing at all consistently or decently, he probably would've won, or at least made it much much closer.


Yeah, to tell u the truth, i also expected andy to win... even though i wasn't 100% sure. I think i've said something similar before but whatever.. i'll repeat it: i think the match should have been much more tight. I mean, of course we have to take on count the fact that he was having some difficulties with his knee. I watched the match again tonight (man, I LOVE ESPN! lol) and actually, he couldn't stop scratching his knee after every point! I know he said he was nothing to worry about, but still, it probably affected his game.

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 04:36 AM
I expected it to be tight too. But that's when I expected Andy to come out fresh and playing well. lol

He says his knee is nothing to worry about. Hopefully he's not lying lol

J. Corwin
05-05-2004, 04:49 AM
Andy better not be putting the blinders on us. ;)

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 04:59 AM
lol I don't think so... we criticize Andy a lot and we don't always expect him to win and be #1

star
05-05-2004, 05:45 AM
Andy needs to get serious about fitness if he expects to stay at the top.

He's got to work always always always on quickness and to keep his body in tip top shape. Having a week to relax at home, doesn't mean he can let up on his training.

I'm not really that fond of his Austin home. I'd rather see him have his home at a place where he can train intensively.

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 05:49 AM
*being serious* you guys should write to Brad - he might never even read them, but at least then you've tried ;) If I knew enough to be able to really say much myself, I'd do it :)

Why is Austin bad to train at? :confused: Is Boca better?

J. Corwin
05-05-2004, 06:32 AM
yea what is wrong with Austin

Nila
05-05-2004, 11:40 AM
Again heya, how do you know that he doesn't know why he lost? Even if he says something ambiguous to the press like "I didn't give my best effort" or whatever, that's a private matter and I'm glad he doesn't divulge that. I'd be willing to bet that Andy knows exactly what was bothering him and exactly why he didn't win the match.

:yeah: exactly.


Gosh. my last opinions aren't longer than one sentence. :help: :tape: lol

heya
05-05-2004, 01:35 PM
but, Carito, Andy should've won the match, I mean not the way he played today but if you think about how inconsistently he played in the first set and still brought it to a tiebreaker and had 3 set points... if he'd been playing at all consistently or decently, he probably would've won, or at least made it much much closer.
Some tennis fans are the ones underestimating Andy.
People wanted Andy to drop down the rankings, but I'M the one underestimating a player?! LMAO
Maybe I should yell: Andy is a mediocre player because he lost clay matches!
:lol:

I know Canas's game because I've seen French Open and Toronto matches.
Obsessing over Andy doesn't mean I underestimate Canas.

I might be crazy again to think that he could actually win (silly me)
after
1 he realized he made big errors
2 wanted to stop errors
3 stopped errors on a regular basis

heya
05-05-2004, 01:42 PM
Andy needs to get serious about fitness if he expects to stay at the top.

He's got to work always always always on quickness and to keep his body in tip top shape. Having a week to relax at home, doesn't mean he can let up on his training.

I'm not really that fond of his Austin home. I'd rather see him have his home at a place where he can train intensively.
I agree. He's not fast enough to play his best.
A clay court, especially, should be near his home, obviously.
I keep asking myself: Is he serious or does he just talk a lot about tennis?

star
05-05-2004, 01:58 PM
I am pretty sure that he has one of those homes around Lake Travis. I'm not sure he has had courts built there.

The thing about a place like Saddlebrook.. or something like it, is that there are not only tennis courts and gyms there, there are also top players living there. It just sets the enviornment for training (rather than going down to 6th street for beer music and mexican food). Also it's hard to get to Austin for short relaxing stays as he could do if he were based in Florida.

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 02:14 PM
I thought he was splitting his time between Austin and Florida? Plus he did have that trainer from Houston, Marc, who was running him in the hills and stuff. :shrug:

Saddlebrook sounds great.... but Mardy trained there last year and he still needs serious :help:

Andre trained in Vegas and certainly did OK. I think Andy is still in that stage that all these guys are in where they feel like they can get away with the pizzas and occasional this and that. Once their bodies start their decline a little in a couple years, they'll have to whip into shape. But I believe, star, it was you who said that they have to make their own decisions and do it themselves. I guess I feel that if/when he decides to really really buckle down, it doesn't much matter where he is, and going to a place like Saddlebrook would only help if he's 100% committed to it and would get everything out of it.

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 03:38 PM
What a weird tournament Rome is turning out to be. Now the top 3 seeds all out by the second round... Roger not defending his finalist points will move him much closer to Andy too. What's happeningggggggggg :help:

tangerine_dream
05-05-2004, 04:32 PM
OK with Roger crashing out as well, I'm getting a bit more worried. I'm thinking it must be nerves, or the expectations are greater than they can handle right now.

Please, please, Roger and Andy, DO NOT CRASH OUT AT RG!!!!!! :scared:

Fumus
05-05-2004, 05:14 PM
lol, Tangy, all you need now is alittle sign that says the captain was here...haha...(captain morgen ads)

Yea, Roger decided he wanted to keep the race close so once he found about Andy he crashed out...lol...thanks Roger for keeping things interesting...

Carito_90
05-05-2004, 05:16 PM
People wanted Andy to drop down the rankings, but I'M the one underestimating a player?! LMAO


If people say that, it's just because they dont like Andy.

Obsessing over Andy doesn't mean I underestimate Canas.

"It's sourprising he doesn't know why he didn't win a WINNABLE MATCH".
You should read your posts before posting em. Do you really think that's not underestimating Cañas?

I might be crazy again to think that he could actually win (silly me)


No, it wasn't a crazy thought. I also thought andy was gonna win. But I was sure it was going to be a tight match.
He could have won, but it wasn't a "winnable" match.

heya
05-05-2004, 05:17 PM
Andy's the real quack here. You think he'd be confident and successful if he knew how to execute his game plan? He won't change his game much. He certainly won't listen to his fans.

heya
05-05-2004, 05:27 PM
Carito, his interview made him sound clueless about his little effort.
He said it was a "little disappointing." LOL
I didn't say that Canas didn't have a chance. It's clay, duh. :lol:
Andy had a chance like any other guy - 7 break points, but he wasn't really fighting.

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 06:25 PM
Here's the full press conference. We'd already gotten most of it really, since it's pretty short. Nothing new really.

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2004 TELECOM ITALIA MASTERS
ROME, ITALY

May 4, 2004

G. CANAS/A. Roddick
7-6, 6-1

ANDY RODDICK

THE MODERATOR: Questions for Andy, please.

Q. Did you find it hard to concentrate today after a traumatic weekend, really?

ANDY RODDICK: Yeah, I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another, I'm not sure. I don't think it was because of that. I just went out there, I was rushing things. I definitely don't think I put forth my best effort today, so it's a little disappointing.

Q. Is it much different, the clay here than in Houston?

ANDY RODDICK: Actually, this surface probably suited me a little better. You know, the surface was fine. I think the wind had blown a lot of the clay off. The balls are going through the court very fast here. You know, I was pretty excited about the conditions when I got here. So, you know, if it is different, it was different in a positive way.

Q. You said the weekend's events weren't the reason, but did it come to your mind at all, any flashbacks, anything like that?

ANDY RODDICK: No, it's tough to put out of your mind, you know; it's going to creep in. But point being, I had a tennis match to play and, you know, I didn't play it. I had plenty of days to get ready and kind of get myself mentally ready, and I didn't do that. That's pretty much the bottom line.

Q. Obviously, you had treatment on your knee. How is that?

ANDY RODDICK: It's fine. It's just something that comes from time to time, you know, just from playing week after week after week. And, you know, it's okay, it's nothing too serious.

Q. How much does it bother you, the fact that on clay you seem in troubles when you have to perform well, especially if you lose the first set, then you start looking like disappointed and not believing in yourself?

ANDY RODDICK: What's your question? Was that a question or a statement?

Q. No, just asking.

ANDY RODDICK: What did you ask?

Q. I'm asking, how do you explain it? I mean, what is your reaction to the idea that people say that you, on clay, have some troubles to adjust?

ANDY RODDICK: Okay (laughing). It's no secret that it's not my favorite surface, but it's, you know, definitely something that I'm trying to get better on. I think everybody has a weak surface; clay happens to be mine. But, you know, something I'm working on to improve.

Q. Looking back to when you first played here, you obviously got to the semifinals. Was that, in some ways, beginner's luck or what?

ANDY RODDICK: I don't know. It's weird because usually I feel really good on clay. It's just when I have an off-day, I feel really bad. Obviously, it's not my first surface, but, you know, I've had good results. I've won four tournaments on it; semi, like you said, here at the Masters Series event. My first year on Tour I probably played better on clay than I did on hard. I think it's just a matter of getting matches under my belt on clay. It's getting over that first hump. If I would have gotten maybe past a round or two here, I think I would have started feeling a lot better. So that's what I have to do.

Q. What is going to be your schedule before Roland Garros?

ANDY RODDICK: As planned right now, you know, we have Hamburg, then I have a week off to train in Paris, then Roland Garros.

Q. Will you stay here all week?

ANDY RODDICK: I'm not sure yet. I, you know, am still pretty fresh off the court. I'll probably have to talk to Brad and talk to Doug and see what our game plan is. (no, don't talk to them, talk to ME, Get your ass fucking out of there and get comfortable in Hamburg!!!! :bolt: )

Q. Is it safe to say he's the last person anyone would want to be playing if they were having an off-day?

ANDY RODDICK: No, I mean, I can think of a couple - maybe Federer (laughing). I don't know if he's the last person, but, you know, any player in this tournament's going to make your life really difficult, especially one who's very comfortable on clay, puts a lot of balls in. Let's say he's not the ideal opponent you'd want to play if you were having an off-day.

Mr. Man
05-05-2004, 06:52 PM
I saw some of the match on ESPNEWS last night. All I gotta say is he better wear that green at Roland Garros. :lol:

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 08:19 PM
only if he wins in it is he allowed to wear it LOL

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 08:30 PM
The smoke from the Rome fire still lingers
Effect of Roddick heroics notable after Cañas loss

By Eleanor Preston
Special to tennisreporters.net

FOR THE ITALIA TELECOM MASTERS IN ROME – It's four days after the fire that swept through the players' hotel at the Italia Telecom Masters in Rome, and the after effects are still hanging in the air over the tournament.

It is nothing, of course, to the unspeakable tragedy of the three people (including American tennis fans Paul and Bernice Busque of New Hampshire) that died in Saturday morning's blaze at the Grand Hotel Parco dei Principi, but it has certainly made its mark on the frivolous world of forehands and backhands.

The players' new hotel, hastily arranged on Saturday morning, is still near enough the site of the stricken five-star Parco dei Principi that when they open their shutters each morning, ready to inhale the usual Roman odors of car exhaust fumes and fresh coffee, they are still being greeted by the lingering smell of burning. It must be an unwelcome reminder of those few, harrowing, hours.

Andy Roddick's heroics at 5 a.m. Saturday, when he helped seven people to safety before being lifted down from his sixth floor balcony by fireman's crane, have been well documented. But while, according to his mother at least, he was calm enough when he rang her while awaiting rescue, he is finding it hard to forget what he and his fellow guests went through.

"It's not an easy thing to put out of your mind," said Roddick, after a distracted and ultimately disastrous performance to lose 7-6 6-1 to Guillermo Cañas in the first round.

Granted, Roddick's record at the Foro Italico isn't good enough to rate the defeat as a total surprise, but his demeanor suggested his mind was not on the court or Cañas.

"I wasn't concentrating for one reason or another. I went out there; I was rushing things. I definitely don't think I put my best effort in today, so it's disappointing," he explained.

Cañas, who has a limpet-like ability to stick in points and matches, took advantage of every moment of indecision or distraction from his opponent. The Argentine made no unforced errors at all in the second set and precious few in the first. Roddick's body language, a visual symphony of cap pulling, racket throwing and head shaking must have buoyed Cañas. This was not a man in match mode.

Effect of Roddick heroics notable after Cañas loss
"Any player at a tournament like this is going to make your life really difficult," said Roddick, "especially one who likes clay and puts a lot of balls in. Let's just say he's not the ideal opponent you'd want to play if you're having an off-day."

Roddick's poor performance against Canas may be quite understandable in the circumstances, but it did little to suggest he do much either next week in Hamburg or two weeks' later at Roland Garros. He made the final in his beloved Houston, where Tommy Haas beat him, but he is currently very shy of wins on the European clay.
He reacted snappily at a suggestion (albeit a slightly unfair one) from an Italian journalist that he is incapable of winning big matches on clay, tersely asking: "Was that a question or a statement?" before offering a rather testy reply.

"It's no secret that it's not my favorite surface but it's definitely something that I'm trying to get better on," said Roddick. "I think everybody has a weak surface: mine is clay. When I have an off-day, I feel really bad."

Another worrying sign for Roddick was the presence of Per Bastholt, who was called on court during the second set to rub Roddick's knee.

The American played down the tweak afterwards, saying that it was, "just something that comes from time to time. You know, just playing week after week after week."

The bad news for Roddick is that is exactly what he is going to have to do from here on in. The tournaments come thick and fast at this time of year, with the grass season starting before they have finished sweeping Roland Garros' Court Centrale after the men's final. From there the all-important US hard court swing is just two months away, with the Olympics sandwiched between Cincinnati and the US Open, plus a Davis Cup semi-final coming straight after that.

Carito_90
05-05-2004, 08:56 PM
(OMG this is the third time ESPN repeats the match lol)

Deboogle!.
05-05-2004, 09:05 PM
LMFAO! Well you're in Argentina and an Argentinian player just upset the World #2... so that's not really that surprising, especially since the tournament was called off today from rain so there's nothing new to show lol

Carito_90
05-06-2004, 12:00 AM
LMFAO! Well you're in Argentina and an Argentinian player just upset the World #2... so that's not really that surprising, especially since the tournament was called off today from rain so there's nothing new to show lol

exactly... here when an argentinean wins a match against a top 10, they repeat it over and over and over again... it's pretty annoying.. but in this case, as it's andy the one who's playing against the argentinean, it's definetely not annoying AT ALL lol

And yeah, as the matches were cancelled ESPN has nothin new to show... actually, they're showing Federer vs Costa's match. But it's not very interesting

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 01:02 AM
Any tennis is still better than nothing lol.

Carito_90
05-06-2004, 01:33 AM
Yup jack :)

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 01:54 AM
I still have to get used to being called Jack. :)

andyroxmysox12191
05-06-2004, 01:56 AM
I still have to get used to it :lol:

star
05-06-2004, 02:20 AM
I love it! It's great. Another stroke of Carito genius.

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 02:29 AM
My name inspires geniuses...wow.:D

Carito_90
05-06-2004, 02:59 AM
What about Jacky? or Jackyboy? :lol:

andyroxmysox12191
05-06-2004, 03:04 AM
now you're just reminding me of POTC. jack sparrow. jacky. i loved that little monkey as well as johnny :lol:

Carito_90
05-06-2004, 03:17 AM
:lol: the lil monkey rocked!


Okay, i'll definetely call him jackyboy :) or jackyman? ;)

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 03:29 AM
I'm all man.;)

But I rather be called Jace or Jackson.:)

But...never ever call me Jimbo (has been called that before) lol.

andyroxmysox12191
05-06-2004, 03:34 AM
jimbo....i like that. i caled my crush that last year for a bit. then i realized it didn't fit him at all :)

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 03:35 AM
Trust me...Jimbo doesn't fit me.:)

andyroxmysox12191
05-06-2004, 03:40 AM
i bet it doesn't jace :lol:

Carito_90
05-06-2004, 03:42 AM
I'm all man.

But I rather be called Jace or Jackson.


aww at least let me call u jackyman :lol:

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 03:44 AM
Somehow I feel like Jacky Chan now. :lol:

Deboogle!.
05-06-2004, 03:48 AM
good thing he's Jackie then ;)

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 03:52 AM
details!

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 03:55 AM
ok so I feel like a dumbo now :o *insert donkey face*

Carito_90
05-06-2004, 04:05 AM
okay okay i give up.. i'll call u jace :sad:

tangerine_dream
05-06-2004, 04:11 AM
What are the chances this cursed tournament will get rained out and finally cancelled? :scratch:

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 04:14 AM
okay okay i give up.. i'll call u jace :sad:

:)

It's ok, you can call me Jackyman if you want. I was feeling like a dumbo because I had a brain fart and spelled Jackie Chan's name wrong. :)

J. Corwin
05-06-2004, 04:14 AM
What are the chances this cursed tournament will get rained out and finally cancelled? :scratch:

LMAO I love your new avatar!! :haha::haha: