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Boris Yeltsin has died!

sharpeirob
04-23-2007, 02:04 PM
:sad: :sad:

sharpeirob
04-23-2007, 02:05 PM
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1262163,00.html

sharpeirob
04-23-2007, 02:05 PM
I will miss seeing him bear hug Anastasia Myskina :sobbing:

Andre♥
04-23-2007, 02:08 PM
I will miss him in the Russian DC ties going nuts with the play!

A true tennis fan! :worship:

sharpeirob
04-23-2007, 02:09 PM
I will miss him in the Russian DC ties going nuts with the play!

A true tennis fan! :worship:

Yeah he really seemed to love the atmosphere.

I always remember him jumping about to some point - and his wife sat next to him with the face of 'OMG - HE IS NOT WITH ME' :haha: :tape:

MariaV
04-23-2007, 02:12 PM
Very sad. :sad: :sad: :sad:
He was a true tennis fan indeed. :worship: :bowdown:

adee-gee
04-23-2007, 02:15 PM
:awww: :sad:

Xristos
04-23-2007, 02:17 PM
:(

NyGeL
04-23-2007, 02:20 PM
lol, watching DC was his only achievement

JustJames
04-23-2007, 02:23 PM
:sad:

RonE
04-23-2007, 02:24 PM
R.I.P Boris.

Should have gone a bit easier on the vodka :drink: :tape:

georgekuo1017
04-23-2007, 02:25 PM
RIP :sad:

mtw
04-23-2007, 02:26 PM
It is sad.

merce
04-23-2007, 02:30 PM
RIP :sad:

Washa Koroleva
04-23-2007, 03:34 PM
shocking, shocking news! :sad: i adored him! RIP.

Burrow
04-23-2007, 03:37 PM
He was a good guy, I actually thought he was gonna die on the spot wehn russie won the DC in 2002, he was going crazy! good guy and a top tennis fan.

Black Adam
04-23-2007, 03:41 PM
lol, watching DC was his only achievement
What about bringing an imitation of Democracy to Russia? He left it a better place, democracy wise.

R.I.P. He will be missed at Russian Tennis events. Such a great supporter.

Iza
04-23-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeltsin :sobbing: :sad: this is rewally shockin news for me cos I liked him loads :bigcry:

gulzhan
04-23-2007, 04:29 PM
lol, watching DC was his only achievement

you are too young, NyGel :sad:

Boris Yeltsin was a rare person who was able to change history.... Yes, it was Gorbachev who has started changes in Soviet Union but Boris Yeltsin was one of those who believed in them and lived all his life to make them true. He was an idealist but yet a man of action. And since he was extremely strong, such a combination made impossible to become a reality.

It'll be a too long post to list everything Borsi Nikolaevich did for Russia and for the former Soviet Union countries-- his famous speech at XVIIth Communist Party Conference, his fight at 1st Congress of People's Deputies, his work as the first President of Russia....

He was the only one who left the position of the President by his own free will thus setting an example for all the post-Soviet countries and giving people hope that democracy will survive...

How inspiring it was to see him leaving politics and getting active in development of tennis, sport he loved so much... He supported Tennis Federation in the difficult transitional time, he personally helped many tennis players, he set up a Fund for young players, and yes-- he was the No. 1 tennis fan for the Russian tennis players :sad:

Anastasia Myskina once told what many players wanted to tell him-- please, Boris Nikolaevich, just come to the match, when we see you on the tribune, we know we will win..... :sad:

We loved him very much! :sad: When you see people like Boris Yeltsin, you start to believe things could be changed to the better.....

Julio1974
04-23-2007, 04:36 PM
What about bringing an imitation of Democracy to a dump hole like Russia?



Before him there was not even an imitation of democracy. Just another totalitarian state.

silverwhite
04-23-2007, 04:40 PM
:speakles: :sad: Great loss

Julio1974
04-23-2007, 04:43 PM
you are too young, NyGel :sad:

Boris Yeltsin was a rare person who was able to change history.... Yes, it was Gorbachev who has started changes in Soviet Union but Boris Yeltsin was one of those who believed in them and lived all his life to make them true. He was an idealist but yet a man of action. And since he was extremely strong, such a combination made impossible to become a reality.

It'll be a too long post to list everything Borsi Nikolaevich did for Russia and for the former Soviet Union countries-- his famous speech at XVIIth Communist Party Conference, his fight at 1st Congress of People's Deputies, his work as the first President of Russia....

He was the only one who left the position of the President by his own free will thus setting an example for all the post-Soviet countries and giving people hope that democracy will survive...

How inspiring it was to see him leaving politics and getting active in development of tennis, sport he loved so much... He supported Tennis Federation in the difficult transitional time, he personally helped many tennis players, he set up a Fund for young players, and yes-- he was the No. 1 tennis fan for the Russian tennis players :sad:

Anastasia Myskina once told what many players wanted to tell him-- please, Boris Nikolaevich, just come to the match, when we see you on the tribune, we know we will win..... :sad:

We loved him very much! :sad: When you see people like Boris Yeltsin, you start to believe things could be changed to the better.....

In the West, there are still a lot of people who were sad the day the Berlin Wall was knocked down and the day the Soviet Union collapsed. The same kind of people who will be sad the day Castro dies.

belco
04-23-2007, 04:46 PM
RIP :sad:

Sofyaxo
04-23-2007, 04:47 PM
What about bringing an imitation of Democracy to a dump hole like Russia?

R.I.P. He will be missed at Russian Tennis events. Such a great supporter.

Yeah you might want to watch out before you start calling other peoples countries dump holes. I know you meant well, but really go back and reword that.

I'm upset. He did so much for tennis, and Russia. Just ugh.:sad:

Black Adam
04-23-2007, 04:51 PM
Before him there was not even an imitation of democracy. Just another totalitarian state.
My point exactly. He brought a resemblance of democracy. Before that there was nothing but at least now, thanks to him there is some sort of Mafia democracy(which will improve over the years). Nygel obviously doesn't know a thing about history.

Black Adam
04-23-2007, 04:53 PM
Yeah you might want to watch out before you start calling other peoples countries dump holes. I know you meant well, but really go back and reword that.

I'm upset. He did so much for tennis, and Russia. Just ugh.:sad:
Sorry, I corrected it. I just meant that he made Russia a better place Democracy wise. He laid pavement for further improvements.

justClaudia
04-23-2007, 05:51 PM
RIP. :sad:

jazar
04-23-2007, 05:54 PM
he was my idol :sad:

bluesky_rachel
04-23-2007, 05:54 PM
i just watched the news about him on cnn.

R.I.P,Yeltsin.:sad:

Richard_from_Cal
04-23-2007, 06:19 PM
Really sorry to hear that. He seemed like a nice fellow. I'll have to say a prayer for him.

On the bright side, to have been so interested in tennis, he must have made some money on it, no? Check the membership in the tennis wagering forums...maybe we've lost a member.

Sofyaxo
04-23-2007, 06:51 PM
Sorry, I corrected it. I just meant that he made Russia a better place Democracy wise. He laid pavement for further improvements.

I know. Bad wording for saying the right thing I do it allll the time:kiss:

ETA: Pretty good article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6584481.stm

zoltan83
04-23-2007, 08:47 PM
:sad: That's a sad news :sad:

Voo de Mar
04-23-2007, 10:13 PM
In Polish media everybody speaks only good comments about Boris Yeltsin. Rather common opinion is that he was a good politician for the world but not a good president for Russia. I like a TV flashback when he was a conductor of orchestra :drink:
Supporter of tennis :yeah:

NyGeL
04-23-2007, 11:40 PM
My point exactly. He brought a resemblance of democracy. Before that there was nothing but at least now, thanks to him there is some sort of Mafia democracy(which will improve over the years). Nygel obviously doesn't know a thing about history.

yeah, democracy on Russia was and is great :rolleyes:

and yeah, a trully communist. Privatize state-owned companys, his best achieve. Naming terrorist president Putin, his 2nd. War with Chechenia, the 3rd.

Those that were rich with the URSS became more wealthy, those that were poor became even poorer. Democracy is still a lie.

Thank you Boris for bringing mc donalds to red square!

Boris Yeltsin, another burocrat working for mafias, oil-owners and not for the people.

BTW, who are you to say who knows and who doesn't know about something?

NyGeL
04-23-2007, 11:48 PM
We loved him very much! :sad: When you see people like Boris Yeltsin, you start to believe things could be changed to the better.....

hahahahahaha bring it all!

Yeltsin, Putin, Clinton, Bush

Stalin, Hitler

Sarkozy? xD

yeah, they all changed the world to better T_T

are you another Nazarbayev fan?

I understand if some "capitalism-lovers" consider him important becouse he ended with the URSS. But you are easily conformist if you consider him a good/nice guy just becouse of that and don't take care of how useless he was with the rest of his regime.

Just making a comparision with an argentinean president, he was like Menem. Who can like him? Lot of people does, becouse he "virtually" made a better a country.

*Viva Chile*
04-24-2007, 05:38 AM
RIP Boris :sad:

Russian DC ties in Moscow will never be the same without him...

Julio1974
04-24-2007, 12:14 PM
yeah, democracy on Russia was and is great :rolleyes:

and yeah, a trully communist. Privatize state-owned companys, his best achieve. Naming terrorist president Putin, his 2nd. War with Chechenia, the 3rd.

Those that were rich with the URSS became more wealthy, those that were poor became even poorer. Democracy is still a lie.

Thank you Boris for bringing mc donalds to red square!

Boris Yeltsin, another burocrat working for mafias, oil-owners and not for the people.

BTW, who are you to say who knows and who doesn't know about something?

It has nothing to do with capitalism. It has to do with freedom. The URSS was a totalitarian state, and nobody can deny that Russia, despite all the problems you mention, is a free country compared with that it was in the past.

The comparison with Menem is completely out of place. Menem did not free Argentina from any dictatorship. If you want to make a better comparison (although still quite imperfect), maybe you should think about Alfonsin. Despite all the economic problems during his government, nobody can deny Argentina was a more free country than during the military government.

If you think that a totalitarian state and an imperfect and corrupt democracy is the same, it simply shows you have never lived in a totalitarian state.

Jim Jones
04-24-2007, 12:20 PM
yeah, democracy on Russia was and is great :rolleyes:

and yeah, a trully communist. Privatize state-owned companys, his best achieve. Naming terrorist president Putin, his 2nd. War with Chechenia, the 3rd.

Those that were rich with the URSS became more wealthy, those that were poor became even poorer. Democracy is still a lie.

Thank you Boris for bringing mc donalds to red square!

Boris Yeltsin, another burocrat working for mafias, oil-owners and not for the people.

BTW, who are you to say who knows and who doesn't know about something?
Russia is better now then under the Tyrannical leadership of the Soviets. Russia cannot be a democracy like in the West becasue of that's the case then the country would break up. Russia has to be authoritarian like Thailand, Singapore, China etc...

Yes Russia has transformed its economy. Better this than having a command economy. And Yeltsin was no milosevic. He allowed and even forced the other republics to gain their independance. Chechnya is part of Russia and today it is more or less stable. lastly, Putin is an effective elader. I don't agree with many of his foreign policies but I do with his domestic policy.

NyGeL
04-24-2007, 03:31 PM
If you think that a totalitarian state and an imperfect and corrupt democracy is the same, it simply shows you have never lived in a totalitarian state.

Ask Kasparov if Putin's democracy isn't totalitarian. And btw, URSS was also a corrupt democracy like Cuba is. There are free elections there, despite they are corrupted.


The comparison with Menem is completely out of place. Menem did not free Argentina from any dictatorship. If you want to make a better comparison (although still quite imperfect), maybe you should think about Alfonsin. Despite all the economic problems during his government, nobody can deny Argentina was a more free country than during the military government.


my point here isn't about the regime ending. It's about the economic style they imposed. Both privatized all state-owned company, liberalized economy, etc. And in both cases, there still a lot of "???" that defend them.

Julio1974
04-24-2007, 04:15 PM
Ask Kasparov if Putin's democracy isn't totalitarian. And btw, URSS was also a corrupt democracy like Cuba is. There are free elections there, despite they are corrupted.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

There is no point in talking to you. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

Svetlana.
04-24-2007, 05:45 PM
Yeah you might want to watch out before you start calling other peoples countries dump holes. I know you meant well, but really go back and reword that.

I'm upset. He did so much for tennis, and Russia. Just ugh.:sad:

Unfortunately, there is some ignorance from some Western countries against Third World countries including Russian Federation. :confused:

:tears: Tennis players and people that like tennis lost a great supporter of tennis!

NyGeL
04-24-2007, 07:11 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

There is no point in talking to you. You have no idea of what you are talking about.

you never heard about the soviets?

here you can read about Cuban democratici system

http://www.cubaminrex.cu/Mirar_Cuba/La_isla/sistema_politico_electoral.htm

I'm tired of people with your ego that can't even discuss with proofs. I'm sure your politic participation is 0. Like your empathy to understand other ideology.

Richard_from_Cal
04-24-2007, 10:53 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

There is no point in talking to you. You have no idea of what you are talking about.I tend to agree.

NyGel, cousin Fidel has most probably gotten a tummy (abdominal/intestinal clip) to cover-up the fact that he's become a corpulent, middle-aged dictator, who warehouses his AIDS patients in gulags, forces his subjects to listen to his extremely long rants, and blames {no doubt} the fall off in Post-Soviet era subsidies on the U.S. <Which compel, I hear, his fellow revolutionaries to eat rice substitute, while he waxes fat. ...Don't ask me how he gets gasoline for those ancient Chevy taxis...that are the only personal vehicles in Havana.>

At least Mr. Yeltsin, whatever you say of his appetites, made no great bones about his enjoyments.;)

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Boristhegreat.jpg
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:devil:

Here, it won't open in [img] brackets:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Boristhegreat.jpg
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Julio1974
04-25-2007, 11:33 AM
you never heard about the soviets?

here you can read about Cuban democratici system

http://www.cubaminrex.cu/Mirar_Cuba/La_isla/sistema_politico_electoral.htm

I'm tired of people with your ego that can't even discuss with proofs. I'm sure your politic participation is 0. Like your empathy to understand other ideology.

What you call "other ideology" is an ideology that has lead to genocides and crimes against humanity all around the globe (Cambodia, URSS, Mao's China, East Germany). You should read some books about genocide.

I have the same respect for that ideology that I have for nazism. I believe in liberal democratic societies (liberal in the political meaning, not economic). I admire countries like Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the east coast in the US. Despite all their problems, those are the countries I'd like Argentina to be like.

I have no respect for countries such as Cuba who are nothing but a big prison.

I do have empathy, bur for the Cuban people who were killed in prison for thinking differently, for being dissenters, for the people who had to escape leaving all their belongings there, for the families who are separated.

One of the main problems of Argentina is that we never believed in liberal democracy. Neither the right (whose intellectualls admired Franco and Salazar and supported in power people like Ongania or Videla who destroyed the country) nor the left (whose intellectuals still admires Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and supported a guerrilla that attempted to overthorw a democratic government between 1973-1976), nor the peronism (whose leader admired Mussolini even after the war !!).

It's amazing that having suffered as much as Argentina suffered for not believing in liberal democracy, many people still respect countries such as Cuba.

Black Adam
04-25-2007, 12:28 PM
Classic Yeltsin moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQULzrgC3dg
:haha: :haha: :rolls: :sobbing: I have never seen a president behave like that. Clinton could barely stop laughing :lol: Yeltsin had just made a joke about a reporter who then called hima disaster.

NyGeL
04-25-2007, 06:43 PM
I tend to agree.

NyGel, cousin Fidel has most probably gotten a tummy (abdominal/intestinal clip) to cover-up the fact that he's become a corpulent, middle-aged dictator, who warehouses his AIDS patients in gulags, forces his subjects to listen to his extremely long rants, and blames {no doubt} the fall off in Post-Soviet era subsidies on the U.S. <Which compel, I hear, his fellow revolutionaries to eat rice substitute, while he waxes fat. ...Don't ask me how he gets gasoline for those ancient Chevy taxis...that are the only personal vehicles in Havana.>



I totally agree with you. Fidel Castro is kinda :retard: . But he has been much more succesfull than Yeltsin and most presidents/dictators in the world, even more if you consider Cuba conditions (economic sanctions/"blockade"?)

I don't know why you include Fidel here if I'm not comunist and never wrote about him here. We can open a different thread if you want to :)

Jim Jones
04-25-2007, 06:54 PM
I totally agree with you. Fidel Castro is kinda :retard: . But he has been much more succesfull than Yeltsin and most presidents/dictators in the world, even more if you consider Cuba conditions (economic sanctions/"blockade"?)

I don't know why you include Fidel here if I'm not comunist and never wrote about him here. We can open a different thread if you want to :)

Cuba is an island whereas Russia is the largest nation in the world. You cannot compare these two countries because they are so different. In addition Cuba is not a success story. I don't know where you got this story from. The only nation that has sanctions against Cuba is U.S. Since Cuba trades with the other nations things should be ok but that is not the case becasue cuba barters and has a command economy like USSR which imploded becasue of this and its size. Cuba is much smaller and so can live with its inefficient system. By the way, Cuba blaming the sanctions for the poverty is just an excuse for Cuba's poor shape. It is all the fault of the government that Cuba is what it is today.

So you are not communist. Well you had us all fooled. ;)

NyGeL
04-25-2007, 07:23 PM
What you call "other ideology" is an ideology that has lead to genocides and crimes against humanity all around the globe (Cambodia, URSS, Mao's China, East Germany). You should read some books about genocide.

Well, first of all, that's no my ideologhy and I don't agree with them. But yes, I prefer comunism over capitalism. I prefer an economy "to share" instead of an economy "to accumulate". But I don't go to any extreme.
The URSS didn't apply communism, neither socialism. It was a burocratic that exploited people just like an employer does with their employees in most companys in the world. About Cambodia and China I can't talk becouse I'm not well informed.


I have the same respect for that ideology that I have for nazism. I believe in liberal democratic societies (liberal in the political meaning, not economic). I admire countries like Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the east coast in the US. Despite all their problems, those are the countries I'd like Argentina to be like.

Ok. I prefer something like Sweden, were, for example, if you don't have or can't buy a sledge, they get one for you. I don't know if that happends in Canada or Germany. I would also prefer something like old Kibbutz in Israel.


I have no respect for countries such as Cuba who are nothing but a big prison.

Yeah, but at least everybody have food, education, medicine, culture and recreation. I agree that the "prision" time should already ended some years ago, despite it is needed for a while. It's a part of revolution.


I do have empathy, bur for the Cuban people who were killed in prison for thinking differently, for being dissenters, for the people who had to escape leaving all their belongings there, for the families who are separated.

This happends everywhere and in every politic way. Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Teocracy, Kingdoms, etc. It's sad, but it's easy to blame another country when you're blind for your own.

It's amazing that having suffered as much as Argentina suffered for not believing in liberal democracy, many people still respect countries such as Cuba.

It's not a fact of belives. Our democracy is corrupted and our system favors people to be ignorant. We are not even living a real democracy. There is no equality, there is a lot of people starving, and that can't happend in a democracy. If somebody respects Cuba is becouse they have things that we don't. In Argentina we already lived death, war, persecution and some people that participates in politic and doesn't agree with the goverment in turn still suffer it.
So yes, despite is not the best and is far from it, I prefer a country like Cuba instead of a country like the US were I have a terrorist disturbing my peace everyday with his "yellow, orange, red" alert and making self-attacks just to get some oil. Most people in the US don't even know wich is Argentina capital and still think that Argentina is a city from Brazil T_T
Why would I respect a country that armed latin american militar forces and supported our Militar, Terrorists and mass-murderers armys/goverments and still want us to pay the loans they gave to them when, incluiding taxes, we paid them 3 times and still paying?
Here is another point why people respect Cuba. Becouse they fought and still fight against imperialism like we always wanted to and couldn't.

NyGeL
04-25-2007, 07:34 PM
Cuba is an island whereas Russia is the largest nation in the world. You cannot compare these two countries because they are so different. In addition Cuba is not a success story. I don't know where you got this story from. The only nation that has sanctions against Cuba is U.S. Since Cuba trades with the other nations things should be ok but that is not the case becasue cuba barters and has a command economy like USSR which imploded becasue of this and its size. Cuba is much smaller and so can live with its inefficient system. By the way, the sanctions are used as an excuse for Cuba's poor performance.

So you are not communist. Well you had us all fooled. ;)

No. US also obligue/push other countrys to stay away of business with Cuba.
For example, in 1962 the US promoted the expulsion of Cuba from the OEA (American States Organization). 14 slaves agreed while 6 nations abstain (Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Bolivia, Chile and Ecuador). Of course, 10 years later this countrys received a militar coup supported by them.
Of course, Cuba cannot comeback to the OEA becouse of their "Human Right" conditions, specially about 75 disidents that were arrested, when here in Argentina and most latin countrys, there is a lot of people in the same situation, but with a different label. So, the only reason we are respected is becouse of our lack of transparency.

Warrior
04-25-2007, 11:23 PM
Yeltsin's regime was a disaster for Russia. You can read about it here:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10867

Julio1974
04-25-2007, 11:37 PM
Yeah, but at least everybody have food, education, medicine, culture and recreation. I agree that the "prision" time should already ended some years ago, despite it is needed for a while. It's a part of revolution. [/QUOTE]

Nygel, ever been to Cuba? What kind of medicine do they have? what kind of recreations do they have? Did you visit the red zone of La Habana,full of Cuban prostitutes? Did you visit the rest of the country by car? Cuba is a joke, just for romantic people from the extreme left.


Why would I respect a country that armed latin american militar forces and supported our Militar, Terrorists and mass-murderers armys/goverments and still want us to pay the loans they gave to them when, incluiding taxes, we paid them 3 times and still paying?
Here is another point why people respect Cuba. Becouse they fought and still fight against imperialism like we always wanted to and couldn't.

Do you know that in 1980 and in 1981 when Jimmy Carter (President of the US) tried to obtain the approval of a resolution from the UN Comission of Human Right against Argentina, Cuba and the ex URSS blocked it?
Do you know that the URSS was one of the main commercial allies of Argentina during that time?

NyGeL
04-27-2007, 03:57 PM
Nygel, ever been to Cuba? What kind of medicine do they have? what kind of recreations do they have? Did you visit the red zone of La Habana,full of Cuban prostitutes? Did you visit the rest of the country by car? Cuba is a joke, just for romantic people from the extreme left.

nope, but my father and mother went two times (during 70's and 80's) and I talked a lot with them. My mother is an education specialist and I'm sure why she talks so well about Cuba in that topic.
I'm not in the mood to start searching for statistics, but you can check them at www.unesco.org
Comparision from UNICEF between USA and Cuba http://www.unicef.org/spanish/infobycountry/cuba_statistics.html#0
http://www.unicef.org/spanish/infobycountry/usa_statistics.html

Life Expectancy: 78 years both
Born Mortality: 5/1000 both
Literacy Teaching: 100% in Cuba

About recreation, Cuba is one of the most improved nation in all kind of sports, music and arts. I'm sure cuban kids don't spend most part of the day watching TV, playing videogames or eating "trash" like most kids in the rest of the world.

About prostitution and poverty. What's the difference between Cuba and Argentina? I go to the park (Palermo's Woods) and since 8,9,10pm it's full of prostitutes. If you go to Constitucion it's also full of prostitutes. If you walk over any avenue it's full of prostitutes propaganda. If you go to a "magazines kiosko" it's full of porn and other kind of mags that contains prostitutes propagandas that any kid can see.
If you go to the Bus Station you have Villa 31 near (Villa = Favela for those that doesn't know), if you go downtown you have people living in the street in every corner.
Don't even try going to the rest of OUR country then. I been living in Jujuy and traveling over there so yes, I lived and saw poverty.

Do you know that in 1980 and in 1981 when Jimmy Carter (President of the US) tried to obtain the approval of a resolution from the UN Comission of Human Right against Argentina, Cuba and the ex URSS blocked it?
Do you know that the URSS was one of the main commercial allies of Argentina during that time?

So? about Human Rights, the UN is useless.
And trading has no relation with politics. USA has commerce with Iran, Venezuela, Cuba and I think there is no problem with that if it's in equal conditions.

El Legenda
04-30-2007, 04:37 AM
Classic Yeltsin moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQULzrgC3dg
:haha: :haha: :rolls: :sobbing: I have never seen a president behave like that. Clinton could barely stop laughing :lol: Yeltsin had just made a joke about a reporter who then called hima disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukI3rcnhXI longer version. :p

gulzhan
04-30-2007, 05:08 AM
hahahahahaha bring it all!

Yeltsin, Putin, Clinton, Bush

Stalin, Hitler

Sarkozy? xD

yeah, they all changed the world to better T_T

are you another Nazarbayev fan?
I understand if some "capitalism-lovers" consider him important becouse he ended with the URSS. But you are easily conformist if you consider him a good/nice guy just becouse of that and don't take care of how useless he was with the rest of his regime.

Just making a comparision with an argentinean president, he was like Menem. Who can like him? Lot of people does, becouse he "virtually" made a better a country.


listen, you, smartass, this is thread dedicated to a big man who also was a great tennis fan! go to another place with all your cuba discussions, open fidel castro appreciation thread in non-tennis, you, jerk!

i am not saying a word about your menem and argentina, the heaven for the facsists :p, or castro and cuba :tape: because you have to at least visit a country before you dare to critisize it!

you know zero about eltsin and russia! and you know less than zero about kazakstan! so shut up and play paw, you do that much better than talking politics!

and no, i am not a big nazarbaev fan although i believe kazakstan was very fortunate to get him as the first president, he is cautious and smart which resulted in huge economical success of kazakstan... he is not a democrat and unlike yeltsin, he is not a big man who could put aside his personal interests, but it's a lesser evil than being bold and stupid as for example the belorussian and ukranien leaders, especially in the extremely hard time of transition from one era to another....

and finally, people live their little lives here and now.... they have right to be happy no matter how much lucky or unlucky they are with the country, time, president.... mind your own country, argentinian or mmmh.. cubanien? especially since from what i've heard you guys, both in argentina and cuba, are in much deeper shit than russia and kazakstan.... so, lots of work for you, NiGel, in both countries, don't waste your efforts on Yeltsin's grave....

NyGeL
04-30-2007, 04:00 PM
you are getting nervous becouse you can't confrontate the discussion :)

I know something from Kazajstan from my fellow "Murat" owner of www.thelegionclan.com and a "fantasy park" in almaty.Also from a friend that being there thanks to him.

from Clarin.com about Yeltsin and his relation with/with the creation of Russian Mafias, corruption and money laundering. http://www.clarin.com/diario/2007/04/29/elmundo/i-02801.htm

I'll translate later

NyGeL
04-30-2007, 04:17 PM
i am not saying a word about your menem and argentina, the heaven for the facsists :p, or castro and cuba :tape: because you have to at least visit a country before you dare to critisize it!

Wrong here. With your way of thinking, then "History" classes in school are useless becouse teachers didn't travel around the world?
I would correct you saying that you need to know both sides comments before getting into a discussion. And I know them about Cuba and Argentina. Of course I won't discuss about Kazajstan before reading a bit about your country, but the phew comments I can make aren't invented by me.

you know zero about eltsin and russia! and you know less than zero about kazakstan! so shut up and play paw, you do that much better than talking politics!

Easy way to try finishing a discussion :wavey:

and no, i am not a big nazarbaev fan although i believe kazakstan was very fortunate to get him as the first president, he is cautious and smart which resulted in huge economical success of kazakstan...

just asking, not criticizing: is "Borat" town unreal?

especially since from what i've heard you guys, both in argentina and cuba, are in much deeper shit than russia and kazakstan....

Conditions in Argentina and Russia are pretty similiar, of course with their different junctures and history.