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still in the news: Romania

Richard_from_Cal
04-21-2007, 10:30 PM
Further in the news today:ROMANIA
President victorious in impeachment vote
BUCHAREST - Romania's President Traian Basescu easily survived a referendum on his impeachment Saturday with at least 75 percent of the vote for him, according to exit polls showing a victory that he said reflected the popularity of his fight against corruption.

Five parties in parliament banded together last month to suspend Basescu, saying he violated the constitution by usurping the role of the prime minister and criticizing the courts.

Basescu, a staunch U.S. ally who won the presidency in 2004, is credited with helping to implement reforms that helped Romania join the EU on Jan. 1.

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ROMANIA

President rejects parliament vote

President Traian Basescu said he would not resign, a day after the opposition-dominated parliament suspended him amid allegations that he had abused his position.

The parliament vote paved the way for a referendum to impeach Basescu, to be held on or before May 20, Senate Chairman Nicolae Vacaroiu took over as interim president.

Basescu is unlikely to be removed from office. A majority of Romanians of voting age would need to support impeachment in the referendum, which was considered nearly impossible given his popularity and the normally low election turnouts.
Anybody ?

:)

MissPovaFan
04-21-2007, 10:33 PM
Anybody ?

:)

Basescu has been suspended with Nicolae Vacaroiu taking over. Things will become a lot more clear on Monday when they have an emergency meeting though.

The situation in Romania with the feud between the President and Prime Minister had to come to a head sooner or later and now hopefully the country can swiftly move forward with a new President and meet the required European Union demanded reforms which can only benefit the country.

Mara_M
04-21-2007, 10:36 PM
If Vacarescu stays as president we can all throw ourselves out the window :)

MissPovaFan
04-21-2007, 10:43 PM
If Vacarescu stays as president we can all throw ourselves out the window :)

Vacaroiu you mean Miru :p

I do agree with you though that he is NOT the man to take the country forward for obvious reasons :p :drink: :drink:

Mara_M
04-21-2007, 10:58 PM
Vacaroiu you mean Miru :p

I do agree with you though that he is NOT the man to take the country forward for obvious reasons :p :drink: :drink:
:retard: me thinking at the street nearby called vacarescu :o

yah vacaroiu :p he likes vodka :p

basescu isn't the greatest president but he didn't deserve such a hit. anyway i think he'ss gonna pull through,he has a lots of fans.

MissPovaFan
04-21-2007, 11:03 PM
:retard: me thinking at the street nearby called vacarescu :o

yah vacaroiu :p he likes vodka :p

basescu isn't the greatest president but he didn't deserve such a hit. anyway i think he'ss gonna pull through,he has a lots of fans.

Well he was born in the Soviet Union of course ;) In Ukraine actually :eek:

Yes but Basescu is a very lazy president and it surely will of no use to your country especially after the failures evident there since the fall of Communism.

Mara_M
04-21-2007, 11:18 PM
the communism was goot at his begging days.

basescu was the best of many bad. i never liked the guy but i can't see another president now who's loads better than him. as Chris said,they don't take you in politics if u're not stealing and cheating :rolleyes:

MissPovaFan
04-21-2007, 11:38 PM
the communism was goot at his begging days.

basescu was the best of many bad. i never liked the guy but i can't see another president now who's loads better than him. as Chris said,they don't take you in politics if u're not stealing and cheating :rolleyes:

Communism often works well at first as Orwell always pointed out :p

I'm not surprised it eventually collapsed in Romania though considering the way it was forced on the country by the Soviet Union after WW2. I guess there was little they could do though considering the might of USSR :sad:

I was always under the impression that Basescu has been more above board compared to the 4 years of Nastase's rule as PM?

Mara_M
04-21-2007, 11:45 PM
cuz Communism has 2 fases and it usually colaps while trying to move to the second fase which is equal with tirany :p

Russia-URSS always put presure on us,so did the austrohungarian empire. we've always been at the crossroad.

u mean Basescu did more as president than Nastase did as PM? yeah probablly,we'll never know how much did Basescu steal but Nastase just smuggled some pains and works of art and constructed some castles in Cornu and also got a few milion bucks :p

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 12:02 AM
cuz Communism has 2 fases and it usually colaps while trying to move to the second fase which is equal with tirany :p

Russia-URSS always put presure on us,so did the austrohungarian empire. we've always been at the crossroad.

u mean Basescu did more as president than Nastase did as PM? yeah probablly,we'll never know how much did Basescu steal but Nastase just smuggled some pains and works of art and constructed some castles in Cornu and also got a few milion bucks :p

Yep that's true - as with every revolution, the initial few years/stages are always great for the people, everyone is in harmony, but the new regime only starts to make changes the public dislike when they have their feet firmly under the table. In Romania I doubt the people ever really wanted Communism especially considering they allied with Nazi Germany but it was either that or the probability of being wiped out by the Soviet Union.

Nastase was responsible for Romania's entry to NATO though which was a positive step for the country and to be fair during his term the economy did stabilise to a certain extent. I guess it was also during his term that the EU accession treaty was completed so he certainly had the country's best interests at heart and was very pro-active.

I agree with you about the corruption though :sad: He never quite managed to prevent it but to be fair it was only towards the end of his term as PM that he *allegedly* became actively involved in them. A good man in all but sadly he let himself down.

rosespower
04-22-2007, 09:57 AM
Nicolae Vacaroiu is only president for this period is not a final solution....so come on....I don't care if he is a month president.....and Basescu will not be suspended because not in 100 years will go to vote so many peoples....

Iza
04-22-2007, 11:42 AM
oh come oooooooooooooooooooon not again!!!


1. Vacaroiu won't lead the country, he's just there till the referendum is over, so it's not about how much of a leader he is.

2. He can't drink cos he has diabetes.

3. Basescu won't leave cos not enough ppl will show up to validate the referendum.

4. Any person following Romanian politics (and here I don't mean the ones who accidentally watch the news once in a while) know exactly what Basescu is doing wrong and why his popularity is decreasing. And mind you, he has done something incredible: made PRM (right-wing extremists a.k.a Hungarian haters) vote the same thing with UDMR (the Hungarian party), an absolutely unbelievable thing, given the hatred between the 2 parties. So it was not like the ppl in the Parliament woke up one day and thought 'oh, why don't we suspend the president?'. PSD gave it a try and they succeeded. Who would've thought?

5. What kind of a person proudly states that he'll resign after 5 friggin minutes and then comes back to say ' actually I'm staying cos it's better for my people.'

Aleka
04-22-2007, 02:01 PM
Well he was born in the Soviet Union of course ;) In Ukraine actually :eek:

Yes but Basescu is a very lazy president and it surely will of no use to your country especially after the failures evident there since the fall of Communism.
Basescu is not lazy :ras: What can a guy do with the Parliament and The Prime Minister don't support him??

5. What kind of a person proudly states that he'll resign after 5 friggin minutes and then comes back to say ' actually I'm staying cos it's better for my people.'

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We asked him not to quit!!! If he would have done so, the parliament with it's interim President would have voted a law that would've stated that a President who had resigned, cannot be a candidate anymore....so Basescu would have been out of the run for President, which would have been the worst thing since uhm....communism :lol: So he didn't resign :D

And seriously now...can you tell me the name of one guy who would do a better job/care about the people and what is in their best interest beside Basescu?? Nastase....:spit: Gusa :spit: Vadim :crazy: :spit: Becali :spit: Ponta :spit: That pretty much leaves us with Basescu...cause Stolojan doesn't want to run for President...And the reason Basescu has been suspended is the same one for which they totally made Mona Musca look like Romania's worst enemy(...and for what?! For something that the majority of the Politicians have done in the past??? And are still doing maybe!!! ) and for the same reason that they had Monica Macovei step down: because they were finally revealing the cheats and liers who supposedly look after our best interests and all they care about is how big their wallets are, because they were sooo close to starting the war against corruption and that would have jeopardized the positions of hundreds of Politicians and Business Men....this country is never gonna pull through if they don't let a decent President do his job...:rolleyes:

Iza
04-22-2007, 02:23 PM
Macovei is another fave of mine :lol: you're right about Musca, she was unfairly treated. But Macovei: she was part of a government. If she disagreed with what the PM a.k.a her boss said, she should've resigned. There have been 3 people who have done this so far: Ionut Popescu, Mircea Miclea and Andrei Marga. They disagreed with the PM, they left. Not the end of the world. Tho Marga was a huge loss (see other ministers of Education: Abramburica :silly: , Athanasiu :retard: , Hardau :cuckoo: ) So I was very happy to see her go away. It's the only reason why I dislike her so much. Her desperation to stick to her chair. Save the Justice? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah right :yawn:

Basescu is trying to be a 'player president' but he gets over his attributes. He should keep his nose/ass out of the Government, Parliament and Justice Court's business because they simply aren't among his attributes. Perhaps being a PM would've suited him better, but he fooled Stolo not to run for Pres so he could (health problems :zzz: )
now he has to follow the rules of being a president. Oh and about Stolo, that meeting in Piata Universitatii made me feel sick. WTF was Stolo doing there???? :tape: campanie electorala pura :tape:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's not the saintest of the saints. the 'Flota' case was abandoned because he came to power. Nastase was an angel during the PSD rule, so is Basescu right now. It always happens :lol:

you are right that there is no-one decent to run for President right now. But I was questioning his honor. You said something, you do it, even if it is to your disadvantage. He should've kept his mouth shut and then everything would've been ok. he's lost quite a few fans after this thingy (not me, he's lost me aaaaaaaaaages ago)

Iza
04-22-2007, 02:25 PM
Basescu is not lazy :ras: What can a guy do with the Parliament and The Prime Minister don't support him??
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resign :shrug:

Iza
04-22-2007, 02:27 PM
resign :shrug:

ok i'll be less drastic :lol: maybe try to make the Parliament and PM support him. And please don't tell that implies stealing and being corrupt. Everyone's done that. Including him.

Aleka
04-22-2007, 02:37 PM
You know it's harder than it sounds :lol: I know he has his skeletons, but it's nothing compared to what others did/are still doing....

And I am completely disgusted with the way PSD and everyone else against Basescu is reacting to the meetings that are taking place to support him...I can't believe they're calling it 'mineriada', and actually implying that PD payed those people to come :spit: come on ppl, does paranoia mean anything to you???!!!! I would've gone myself, but have to study...but my sis went, and I know lots of people who have, and no one is paying them...and, Iza, you say that the Stolo thing was over the top :lol: but what are the others doing??? I've not heard one pro-Basescu thing on tv since the whole suspension...coincidence??? I doubt it...I can't believe that Mtv is the only channel that isn't running a denigration campaign against him...and they've never shown any politics before...well, not like this anyway :lol:

Don't you think that this is too much??? If Basescu really did broke the law, as they say he did, why haven't they proven it? Why are they going out of their way to take over all the tv channels...I can't turn on the tv without having to listen to some guy saying Basescu has done this, and Basescu has done that...play fair people!!!! But they can't, cause then they'd have nothing to say, and the majority of the people are on Basescu's side anyway...

rosespower
04-22-2007, 02:45 PM
To give a short answer at all you have said...I don't think Basescu is the least bad from all the bads...

Aleka
04-22-2007, 02:51 PM
then give me an example of who is better please :)

I'm going to the meeting :banana: talk to you later :kiss:

Iza
04-22-2007, 02:56 PM
You know it's harder than it sounds :lol: I know he has his skeletons, but it's nothing compared to what others did/are still doing....

And I am completely disgusted with the way PSD and everyone else against Basescu is reacting to the meetings that are taking place to support him...I can't believe they're calling it 'mineriada', and actually implying that PD payed those people to come :spit: come on ppl, does paranoia mean anything to you???!!!! I would've gone myself, but have to study...but my sis went, and I know lots of people who have, and no one is paying them...and, Iza, you say that the Stolo thing was over the top :lol: but what are the others doing??? I've not heard one pro-Basescu thing on tv since the whole suspension...coincidence??? I doubt it...I can't believe that Mtv is the only channel that isn't running a denigration campaign against him...and they've never shown any politics before...well, not like this anyway :lol:

Don't you think that this is too much??? If Basescu really did broke the law, as they say he did, why haven't they proven it? Why are they going out of their way to take over all the tv channels...I can't turn on the tv without having to listen to some guy saying Basescu has done this, and Basescu has done that...play fair people!!!! But they can't, cause then they'd have nothing to say, and the majority of the people are on Basescu's side anyway...

well why are they running it???? because they have too much time on their hands?? Why in the universe would PRM agree with UDMR? It can't really be that he's Jesus Christ and all the others are some thieves. He is the only one who wishes well for his country, he's Neprihanitul (sorry for the Romanian :lol: )! No way. When I hear him with 'poporul ma vrea, fac asta pentru binele tarii' I feel like I'm watching one of Caragiale's comedies. As Cristoiu said in an article, even the communists abandoned these slogans because they were way too pathetic.
It's not the same situation as it was in Lithuania where the president really broke the law, but he is far from being a saint.
And I want to make it very clear that I am not a PSD,PRM,UDMR,PC or PNL lover. Not even close to that.

Iza
04-22-2007, 02:56 PM
bye Ale :smooch:

TMJordan
04-22-2007, 02:58 PM
:awww:

Iza
04-22-2007, 02:59 PM
then give me an example of who is better please :)


well I personally like Crin Antonescu (PNL) and Vasile Puscas (PSD) but I am aware of the fact that they wouldn't be popular. Antonescu cos he talks too much and Puscas because he is...oh well I dunno why but I have the feeling few ppl know him. Oh, and I like Oprescu too, he's a funny guy but he doesn't have any chances either.

Iza
04-22-2007, 03:01 PM
:awww:

hey jordan :smooch: why are you :awww: -ing :awww: ?

Aleka
04-22-2007, 03:03 PM
actually Iza...the fact that UDMR and PRM are agreeing on something is a sign that something bad is going on ;) They're positions are being threatened and that's why they've united against Basescu and the PD ministers.

And about the Stolojan thing...him stepping down from the run for President saying he was ill....Basescu had nothing to do with it...he was being black mailed by the other parties, thinking that he had the best chances of winning ;)

And I wouldn't be quoting Cristoiu if I were you :tape: :tape:

Aleka
04-22-2007, 03:04 PM
OPRESCU??!!!! Holly cow!!!!!! :bolt: :bolt: :bolt:

shit, I'm late, my sis is gonna kill me :help:

Jordan :hug: Iza :smooch: :wavey:

Iza
04-22-2007, 03:06 PM
And I wouldn't be quoting Cristoiu if I were you :tape: :tape:

Cristoiuuuuu :rocker2: :rocker2: :rocker2: can't wait to buy his book about Cuba ;)

TMJordan
04-22-2007, 03:38 PM
I dont know why I was :awww: ing :scratch:


EDIT: VAAAAAAAAMOS 6000 :rocker2:

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 04:20 PM
oh come oooooooooooooooooooon not again!!!

1. Vacaroiu won't lead the country, he's just there till the referendum is over, so it's not about how much of a leader he is.

2. He can't drink cos he has diabetes.

3. Basescu won't leave cos not enough ppl will show up to validate the referendum.

4. Any person following Romanian politics (and here I don't mean the ones who accidentally watch the news once in a while) know exactly what Basescu is doing wrong and why his popularity is decreasing. And mind you, he has done something incredible: made PRM (right-wing extremists a.k.a Hungarian haters) vote the same thing with UDMR (the Hungarian party), an absolutely unbelievable thing, given the hatred between the 2 parties. So it was not like the ppl in the Parliament woke up one day and thought 'oh, why don't we suspend the president?'. PSD gave it a try and they succeeded. Who would've thought?

5. What kind of a person proudly states that he'll resign after 5 friggin minutes and then comes back to say ' actually I'm staying cos it's better for my people.'

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The drinking problem is only a rumour of course and I guess it must be doubtful if he does have diabetes of course.

He probably won the election due to his claims that he would erradicate corruption from Romanian politics but he hasn't been entirely successful. I think his Communist roots are coming back to haunt him as things are going wrong - the public are obviously looking for reasons for his failings.

He obviously won a lot of popularity by defying his government on many occasions by getting actively involved with public activists but this left him open to attacks from his opponents of course.

Maybe it is his popularity with the public that has led to him being impeached? Do you feel this popularity will carry him through in the referrendum? Or will be simply resign his position?

It all needs to be tidyed up but it really isn't going to be unless a new President is appointed I feel. Whether he deserves to go or not Basescu can't stay now or it will hinder the country's development.

Basescu is not lazy :ras: What can a guy do with the Parliament and The Prime Minister don't support him??

We asked him not to quit!!! If he would have done so, the parliament with it's interim President would have voted a law that would've stated that a President who had resigned, cannot be a candidate anymore....so Basescu would have been out of the run for President, which would have been the worst thing since uhm....communism So he didn't resign

And seriously now...can you tell me the name of one guy who would do a better job/care about the people and what is in their best interest beside Basescu?? Nastase....:spit: Gusa Vadim :crazy: Becali :spit: Ponta :spit: That pretty much leaves us with Basescu...cause Stolojan doesn't want to run for President...And the reason Basescu has been suspended is the same one for which they totally made Mona Musca look like Romania's worst enemy(...and for what?! For something that the majority of the Politicians have done in the past??? And are still doing maybe!!! ) and for the same reason that they had Monica Macovei step down: because they were finally revealing the cheats and liers who supposedly look after our best interests and all they care about is how big their wallets are, because they were sooo close to starting the war against corruption and that would have jeopardized the positions of hundreds of Politicians and Business Men....this country is never gonna pull through if they don't let a decent President do his job...:rolleyes:

hmm well the fact that an impeachment referendum was voted by on a 3:1 ratio it appears the rest of the government were not impressed by his performance as President. Maybe a fresh new approach is needed? But it has to be pretty quick. It is sad for Basescu as he has been stabbed in the back but he needs to go now with grace and leave the country move forward.

hmm you say it's a good thing if Basescu gets re-elected as President but how would this necessarily be a good thing for the country? He obviously deeply cares about the Romanian people and wants to move the country forward but he is incapable due to his opposition within the government thus placing him in an impossible position.

If the rest of the government did leave Basescu do his job properly and left him alone then I agree with him staying but it's not going to happen :sad: To be honest I am struggling to see a viable candidate for the position. Popescu certainly shouldn't have the position considering his involved - it needs to be a fresh new maybe up and coming politician? To be fair that worked in England when Tony Blair became PM.

Macovei is another fave of mine :lol: you're right about Musca, she was unfairly treated. But Macovei: she was part of a government. If she disagreed with what the PM a.k.a her boss said, she should've resigned. There have been 3 people who have done this so far: Ionut Popescu, Mircea Miclea and Andrei Marga. They disagreed with the PM, they left. Not the end of the world. Tho Marga was a huge loss (see other ministers of Education: Abramburica :silly: , Athanasiu :retard: , Hardau :cuckoo: ) So I was very happy to see her go away. It's the only reason why I dislike her so much. Her desperation to stick to her chair. Save the Justice? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah right :yawn:

you are right that there is no-one decent to run for President right now. But I was questioning his honor. You said something, you do it, even if it is to your disadvantage. He should've kept his mouth shut and then everything would've been ok. he's lost quite a few fans after this thingy (not me, he's lost me aaaaaaaaaages ago)

Macovei was only sacked due to her lack of popularity within Romania and her strong alliance with Basescu I feel - she was doing a good job otherwise. I don't think her public comments about Romania's "safety" within the European Union did her any good either. Maybe she was just a pawn in the current struggle for power and I'm sure she will be back when things have settled down. I can't see how Popescu can emerge with any credibility for sacking her anyway considering her role in the country joining the EU.

Basescu has now been officially suspended hasn't he? He clearly stated he would resign if this was the case - he has not! Why not? :rolleyes: If it's as you say Aleka that he wouldn't be able to run for Presidency again if he resigned then what would change if he actually was re-elected? :confused:

well I personally like Crin Antonescu (PNL) and Vasile Puscas (PSD) but I am aware of the fact that they wouldn't be popular. Antonescu cos he talks too much and Puscas because he is...oh well I dunno why but I have the feeling few ppl know him. Oh, and I like Oprescu too, he's a funny guy but he doesn't have any chances either.

Antonescy might be a good candidate as he doesn't bring with him any "former-Communist" baggage. Isn't he allied with Popescu though? :confused: Oprescu is surely too inexperienced? Although as I said above maybe that is what could be needed at this time - a fresh new outlook?

actually Iza...the fact that UDMR and PRM are agreeing on something is a sign that something bad is going on ;) They're positions are being threatened and that's why they've united against Basescu and the PD ministers.

And about the Stolojan thing...him stepping down from the run for President saying he was ill....Basescu had nothing to do with it...he was being black mailed by the other parties, thinking that he had the best chances of winning ;)

And I wouldn't be quoting Cristoiu if I were you :tape: :tape:

I would have thought Stolojan would have had a great deal of public support? But I guess he would need to gain many votes away from the PNL and this could be very difficult for him - maybe the support for Popescu might slow down though... ;)

Aleka
04-22-2007, 05:26 PM
hmm well the fact that an impeachment referendum was voted by on a 3:1 ratio it appears the rest of the government were not impressed by his performance as President. Maybe a fresh new approach is needed? But it has to be pretty quick. It is sad for Basescu as he has been stabbed in the back but he needs to go now with grace and leave the country move forward.

If the rest of the government did leave Basescu do his job properly and left him alone then I agree with him staying but it's not going to happen :sad: To be honest I am struggling to see a viable candidate for the position. Popescu certainly shouldn't have the position considering his involved - it needs to be a fresh new maybe up and coming politician? To be fair that worked in England when Tony Blair became PM.


the 322 'ppl' who voted for Basescu's suspension did so because they're scared...those 322 'ppl' have defied millions of citizens who voted for Basescu to become President...some of them are being investigated and are involved with important business people, and don't really have the people's best interest at heart....I'm not saying Basescu is a saint, as I've stated before, but those 322 people do not represent me, or other millions of people, and I'm fed up with their lies...and we are definitely not gonna move forward if their plans succeed...right now, there isn't a better candidate in Romania for President...at least not from the ones that are planning on running in case Basescu loses...and Sabri I'm still waiting for your candidate ;)

:kiss:

Iza
04-22-2007, 05:43 PM
the 322 'ppl' who voted for Basescu's suspension did so because they're scared...those 322 'ppl' have defied millions of citizens who voted for Basescu to become President...some of them are being investigated and are involved with important business people, and don't really have the people's best interest at heart....I'm not saying Basescu is a saint, as I've stated before, but those 322 people do not represent me, or other millions of people, and I'm fed up with their lies...and we are definitely not gonna move forward if their plans succeed...right now, there isn't a better candidate in Romania for President...at least not from the ones that are planning on running in case Basescu loses...and Sabri I'm still waiting for your candidate ;)

:kiss:

i know it is true that he was voted by millions but i can't stop but hearing Boc saying Basescu was voted by 21 million Romanians :haha: that li'l guy is such a clown :haha: i mean, he's a good mayor and all that but as a politician he's zero
hmmmmmmmmmm the Parliament was elected, right? so yes, they do represent you. You probably like it as much as I like being represented by Basescu, but that's the reality and if we don't like it, all we have to do is express our opinion thru voting and see the outcome. I for sure will go to the referendum, no doubt about that. And I hope many people go, cos then at least Basescu will stay cos 'the country wants him to' not cos the ppl didn't show up.

Iza
04-22-2007, 05:49 PM
Antonescy might be a good candidate as he doesn't bring with him any "former-Communist" baggage. Isn't he allied with Popescu though? :confused: Oprescu is surely too inexperienced? Although as I said above maybe that is what could be needed at this time - a fresh new outlook?


Oprescu has no chances cos he's too acid and has made some pretty rude comments in the past. I don't think he has any chances. Antonescu is okay IMO but many don't like him cos he is against everything :lol: he always has to rant about something and his current topic is Basescu.

If you look to the young politicians you realize there aren't many options:
Victor Ponta was the leader of the young social-democrates for ages but I don't give him any chances. and I for one, don't like him at all. He seems so...slippery.
Young liberals Bogdan Olteanu and Cristian Boureanu might be some choices, especially Olteanu as he is the president of the Chamber of Deputies. Boureanu is too cocky IMO and he doesn't have any results. I'd never elect him :lol:
Lavinia Sandru talks sooooooooooooooo much you just feel like shooting her. It's the only thing she's good at. And now she's with that Gusa character who is terrible.
Others? :confused:

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 05:53 PM
the 322 'ppl' who voted for Basescu's suspension did so because they're scared...those 322 'ppl' have defied millions of citizens who voted for Basescu to become President...some of them are being investigated and are involved with important business people, and don't really have the people's best interest at heart....I'm not saying Basescu is a saint, as I've stated before, but those 322 people do not represent me, or other millions of people, and I'm fed up with their lies...and we are definitely not gonna move forward if their plans succeed...right now, there isn't a better candidate in Romania for President...at least not from the ones that are planning on running in case Basescu loses...and Sabri I'm still waiting for your candidate ;)

:kiss:

The '322' have certainly gone against public opinion I agree - something which is rather strange - something is missing like you said. Do you at least think the public will have their chance to vote now that it will go to a referendum? I don't see how there could have been a great deal of pressure on the 322 especially considering it was a secret ballot? (assuming it was?)

Iza
04-22-2007, 05:54 PM
yes it was a secret ballot. no doubt about that. I can imagine Geoana holding a pistol at their head forcing them to vote against Basescu :haha:

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 06:09 PM
i know it is true that he was voted by millions but i can't stop but hearing Boc saying Basescu was voted by 21 million Romanians :haha: that li'l guy is such a clown :haha: i mean, he's a good mayor and all that but as a politician he's zero
hmmmmmmmmmm the Parliament was elected, right? so yes, they do represent you. You probably like it as much as I like being represented by Basescu, but that's the reality and if we don't like it, all we have to do is express our opinion thru voting and see the outcome. I for sure will go to the referendum, no doubt about that. And I hope many people go, cos then at least Basescu will stay cos 'the country wants him to' not cos the ppl didn't show up.

You all have the chance to make your voice heard in the referendum, but there is a low turnout expected am I right? If the general public care so much for Basescu then they need to get out and vote! I stand by what I said in that his position is in jepordy even if he wins the referendum but it could place him in a strong enough position to force Popescu and his cronies to resign?

Oprescu has no chances cos he's too acid and has made some pretty rude comments in the past. I don't think he has any chances. Antonescu is okay IMO but many don't like him cos he is against everything :lol: he always has to rant about something and his current topic is Basescu.

If you look to the young politicians you realize there aren't many options:
Victor Ponta was the leader of the young social-democrates for ages but I don't give him any chances. and I for one, don't like him at all. He seems so...slippery.
Young liberals Bogdan Olteanu and Cristian Boureanu might be some choices, especially Olteanu as he is the president of the Chamber of Deputies. Boureanu is too cocky IMO and he doesn't have any results. I'd never elect him :lol:
Lavinia Sandru talks sooooooooooooooo much you just feel like shooting her. It's the only thing she's good at. And now she's with that Gusa character who is terrible.
Others? :confused:

I agree that Oprescu and Antonescu probably haven't got a high enough profile to actually be serious contenders from the Presidency which is a shame really. You need forward thinking politicians and maybe Antonescu doesn't really fit the bill. Ponta is no good as he would be too weak a leader in my opinion - he would never be able to stand up to his opponents on that scale. Olteanu has chances in the future but I feel it is about 5 or so years too early for him - but I wouldn't bet against him becoming President in the next decade. Boureanu is way too young and inexperienced for the position surely? Sandru is okay but she gets involved in stupid issues.

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 06:13 PM
yes it was a secret ballot. no doubt about that. I can imagine Geoana holding a pistol at their head forcing them to vote against Basescu :haha:

:lol: Poor Geoana he is a hopeless case :p How the hell the PSD wanted him to lead them again one will never know :rolleyes: :lol:

Iza
04-22-2007, 06:37 PM
When I mentioned those young ppl, I wasn't necessarily reffering to who could run for president this year. I was thinking about the future....like 5 or 6 years.
:haha: no idea how PSD thought he could a leader :haha: a friend of mine is a die-hard PSD fan and he hates Geoana :lol: so he's not popular within the PSD supporters either :lol:
and about the referundum: I think it's more likely that Basescu haters like myself will go to the referendum while his supporters won't, because if there aren't enough voters the referendum won't count so the outcome is invalid. I hope I will be proved wrong and his supporters go too (I stated my preference in the previous post :p )

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 06:52 PM
When I mentioned those young ppl, I wasn't necessarily reffering to who could run for president this year. I was thinking about the future....like 5 or 6 years.
:haha: no idea how PSD thought he could a leader :haha: a friend of mine is a die-hard PSD fan and he hates Geoana :lol: so he's not popular within the PSD supporters either :lol:
and about the referundum: I think it's more likely that Basescu haters like myself will go to the referendum while his supporters won't, because if there aren't enough voters the referendum won't count so the outcome is invalid. I hope I will be proved wrong and his supporters go too (I stated my preference in the previous post :p )

hehe I agree! Geoana clearly had a few friends within the media that helped him ;) Sorry i shouldn't make accusations but I'm quite certain it was the case ;) Iliescu would never have lost to him otherwise :lol:

So if the referendum doesn't bring enough votes the impeachment will fail and Basescu will remain as President?

Mara_M
04-22-2007, 07:00 PM
OMG u've discussed a lot :lol:

Paul,u can't understand the situation from the outside anyway :p

my problem si that right now i can't see anyone ruling this country fair. i never liked geoana,tariceanu or vacaroiu,muuuuuuuuuuuch less vadim tudor (aka valium tudor :tape: ) so i hope they won't get the power again. i'm certainly afraid of getting a new president like vanghelie or becali.

anyway our opinion is kinda useless. as far as i can see ppl around the country are die hard fans of basescu and they still think he's fair play and stuff...

Iza
04-22-2007, 07:33 PM
So if the referendum doesn't bring enough votes the impeachment will fail and Basescu will remain as President?

yup.

OMG u've discussed a lot :lol:

Paul,u can't understand the situation from the outside anyway :p

my problem si that right now i can't see anyone ruling this country fair. i never liked geoana,tariceanu or vacaroiu,muuuuuuuuuuuch less vadim tudor (aka valium tudor :tape: ) so i hope they won't get the power again. i'm certainly afraid of getting a new president like vanghelie or becali.

anyway our opinion is kinda useless. as far as i can see ppl around the country are die hard fans of basescu and they still think he's fair play and stuff...

i am very scared of a guy like Vaghelie or Becali :unsure:
Miru, you don't have to start with the idea that it is useless. Of course it will always be useless if you don't state it. It doesn't cost you anything to express your opinion. And I do know a lot of people who dislike him, even if it's true they are less than the ones who like him. And also, there are quite a few people who don't want to admit they don't like him, because let's be honest, it's much cooler to say 'I like Basescu and the alliance, I hate PSD'. If you like PSD you are considered a communist lover blah blah blah. I know I might sound idealist but maybe if more ppl got involved in voting and stuff we won't be having characters like Becali and Vanghelie in our political life.
I never liked Vacaroiu either but I feel sorry for him. He is not that big drinker, he's quite a decent guy and it's his 2nd time as the president of the senate and no-one had anything bad with him. And he was very reserved about the whole interim thing. More than decent attitude.

Mara_M
04-22-2007, 07:41 PM
belive me,i've seen vacaroiu drunk at work :p so don't tell me he's not drinking :lol: i understand mihnea has a great influence on you but don't take it all for true.

it's true we have to express our opinion,it'd be bad if we wouldn't. but young ppl's voice in politics these days is not audible. i'm not against PSD,actually the mayor of my sector is from PSD and he's a person i admire and respect,i know him personally,he's been to my house,we talked etc etc. but i think whil we don't vote for person,not partid or alliance we won't get a parlament closer to our desires.

do you imagine it's gonna be our first vote as Romanian citezens with full rights :lol: :awww:?

Iza
04-22-2007, 07:46 PM
Miru, I'm not a PSDist, Mihnea is. I just feel sorry for Vacaroiu, that's all. I know he's been drunk but now he has diabetes and alcohol is prohibited. And Mihnea doesn't like him too much either, he's a Nastase fan :p , so it's not him that defended Vaca :lol: (additional information: Itza is a PD and Base fan, so I have influence from both sides :lol: which make me be more objective than them :p )

The uninominal vote was such a great idea :awww: too bad they didn't want it :fiery:

Mara_M
04-22-2007, 07:52 PM
they're scared,they base their power by dragging those creeps in their back :shrug:
vote for uninominal vote :lol:

Iza
04-22-2007, 07:55 PM
i did sign for it :lol: but no-one wants it :ras:

Mara_M
04-22-2007, 07:56 PM
cuz u have to cheat and steal to be in politics :p

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 07:59 PM
OMG u've discussed a lot :lol:

Paul,u can't understand the situation from the outside anyway :p

my problem si that right now i can't see anyone ruling this country fair. i never liked geoana,tariceanu or vacaroiu,muuuuuuuuuuuch less vadim tudor (aka valium tudor :tape: ) so i hope they won't get the power again. i'm certainly afraid of getting a new president like vanghelie or becali.

anyway our opinion is kinda useless. as far as i can see ppl around the country are die hard fans of basescu and they still think he's fair play and stuff...

But there is nothing to be afraid of - the current situation in Romania cannot continue and it will continue sadly unless Basescu steps down. The good guys are not always the ones who win sadly and unless all his opponents are voted out (which is way too unlikely) then he can't continue with the confidence of only a quarter of the government.

Yes a lot of the people are fans of him but what will it matter even if he wins the referendum? :confused:

yup.



i am very scared of a guy like Vaghelie or Becali :unsure:
Miru, you don't have to start with the idea that it is useless. Of course it will always be useless if you don't state it. It doesn't cost you anything to express your opinion. And I do know a lot of people who dislike him, even if it's true they are less than the ones who like him. And also, there are quite a few people who don't want to admit they don't like him, because let's be honest, it's much cooler to say 'I like Basescu and the alliance, I hate PSD'. If you like PSD you are considered a communist lover blah blah blah. I know I might sound idealist but maybe if more ppl got involved in voting and stuff we won't be having characters like Becali and Vanghelie in our political life.
I never liked Vacaroiu either but I feel sorry for him. He is not that big drinker, he's quite a decent guy and it's his 2nd time as the president of the senate and no-one had anything bad with him. And he was very reserved about the whole interim thing. More than decent attitude.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion and in a referendum like what is going to happen you *must* vote for what you feel is right! Personally I am all for change change change and yes that does mean the end of Basescu as it's not working :sad: Anyway the reason Basescu has been impeached is because he is allegedly corrupt.... but haven't the same kind of allegations been attributed to Vacaroiu? I don't know if the libera would have published this if there weren't some truths anyway?

Iza
04-22-2007, 08:07 PM
Vacaroiu has been accused of something but I don't know too well cos that happened in the early 90s when I was way too young to follow politics :lol:

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 08:08 PM
belive me,i've seen vacaroiu drunk at work :p so don't tell me he's not drinking :lol: i understand mihnea has a great influence on you but don't take it all for true.

it's true we have to express our opinion,it'd be bad if we wouldn't. but young ppl's voice in politics these days is not audible. i'm not against PSD,actually the mayor of my sector is from PSD and he's a person i admire and respect,i know him personally,he's been to my house,we talked etc etc. but i think whil we don't vote for person,not partid or alliance we won't get a parlament closer to our desires.

do you imagine it's gonna be our first vote as Romanian citezens with full rights :lol: :awww:?

So Miru you wouldn't vote for your favourite if they have little chance of being elected? It's a tough choice sometimes, I have the same situation here where the leading party always wins but my favourite party always come next to last :sad:

I guess it is pretty sad that your first legal vote will be one of whether to impeach the President or not :eek:

Miru, I'm not a PSDist, Mihnea is. I just feel sorry for Vacaroiu, that's all. I know he's been drunk but now he has diabetes and alcohol is prohibited. And Mihnea doesn't like him too much either, he's a Nastase fan :p , so it's not him that defended Vaca :lol: (additional information: Itza is a PD and Base fan, so I have influence from both sides :lol: which make me be more objective than them :p )

The uninominal vote was such a great idea :awww: too bad they didn't want it :fiery:

Yes he has reformed in the respect to his alcohol intake but his history is as dark as Basescu. The country in general needs fresh new leaders to embrace the new dawn which has been promised since the accession treaty was signed - I urge all Romanians to grasp this opportunity and vote out the politicians who are holding the country back. The in-fighting must stop and if Basescu has to be a victim of this then so be it!

cuz u have to cheat and steal to be in politics :p

I'd make a good politician ;)

MissPovaFan
04-22-2007, 08:12 PM
Vacaroiu has been accused of something but I don't know too well cos that happened in the early 90s when I was way too young to follow politics :lol:

Well he's taking the libera to court apparently he's that upset about it! It's something to do with his past in a high profile bank (BID?) and that he remained on their payroll during his early years as Senate President! :eek:

guille&tati4life
04-23-2007, 11:51 AM
I'm not an expert on Romanian politics (yet :p ) but Becali getting in would just be :scared: :scared: :scared: awful.

Aleka
04-23-2007, 01:26 PM
hmmmmmmmmmm the Parliament was elected, right? so yes, they do represent you. You probably like it as much as I like being represented by Basescu, but that's the reality and if we don't like it, all we have to do is express our opinion thru voting and see the outcome. I for sure will go to the referendum, no doubt about that. And I hope many people go, cos then at least Basescu will stay cos 'the country wants him to' not cos the ppl didn't show up.
actually...we had to vote lists, so I don't want many of them representing me...that's why I'm all for the uninominal vote!!!! Which Basescu wanted and supported, BUT the Parliament didn't, cause that would have meant the end of many among them...

that is exactly what he said :lol:

The uninominal vote was such a great idea :awww: too bad they didn't want it :fiery:
exactly :lol: THEY!!! The same 'they' who suspended Basescu ;)
But there is nothing to be afraid of - the current situation in Romania cannot continue and it will continue sadly unless Basescu steps down. The good guys are not always the ones who win sadly and unless all his opponents are voted out (which is way too unlikely) then he can't continue with the confidence of only a quarter of the government.
well...that's where I don't agree....if Basescu steps down, I'm afraid that if one of the old candidates gets elected, we might start to go backwards :scared: And at this point, I'd rather not take that chance...

Everyone has the right to express their opinion and in a referendum like what is going to happen you *must* vote for what you feel is right! Personally I am all for change change change and yes that does mean the end of Basescu as it's not working :sad: Anyway the reason Basescu has been impeached is because he is allegedly corrupt.... but haven't the same kind of allegations been attributed to Vacaroiu? I don't know if the libera would have published this if there weren't some truths anyway?
They've accused Basescu of unconstitutional acts...and the Constitutional Court has cleared him and stated that there have been no such acts from his part...so the reason they've suspended him does not exist...this is a power play maneuvered by some of the biggest former collaborators of the 'Security'. I hate politics and I normally don't get involved in it or discussions about it, but it just kills me to see how they're tearing our country apart to save their own asses...we barely got settled in the EU, and we are running a mock. If they cared so much about this country and about the people, they'd try and work with Basescu.
I'm not an expert on Romanian politics (yet :p ) but Becali getting in would just be :scared: :scared: :scared: awful.
Becali is already involved in politics :p But he'd never be elected President :lol: We're not THAT stupid :lol:

all this politics talk has made me want to bang my head against the wall :rolls: :angel:

Iza
04-23-2007, 04:23 PM
exactly :lol: THEY!!! The same 'they' who suspended Basescu ;)

:

no, it's everyone, including him and his beloved party. PSD brought up the uninominal vote back in 2005 and had lists for people to sign, but there were no results. The the Alliance took the idea and tried to make it work, which it didn't, not only cos of the Parliament, but cos of politicians in general. As you said, they want to save their asses. All of them. Which is why I'm really pissed about the uninominal vote :sad:


that is exactly what he said

he couldn't have said 'hey guys, don't show up' :lol: it's really the fairest way so I'm glad I finally agree on something with him :rolls:

Iza
04-23-2007, 04:25 PM
all this politics talk has made me want to bang my head against the wall :rolls: :angel:

i love talking about politics :p even today in the history class I was the only one talking to my teacher about the parties in the interbelic period :lol: (Mihnea was absent :lol: otherwise we would've been 2)

MissPovaFan
04-26-2007, 08:33 PM
well...that's where I don't agree....if Basescu steps down, I'm afraid that if one of the old candidates gets elected, we might start to go backwards :scared: And at this point, I'd rather not take that chance...

They've accused Basescu of unconstitutional acts...and the Constitutional Court has cleared him and stated that there have been no such acts from his part...so the reason they've suspended him does not exist...this is a power play maneuvered by some of the biggest former collaborators of the 'Security'. I hate politics and I normally don't get involved in it or discussions about it, but it just kills me to see how they're tearing our country apart to save their own asses...we barely got settled in the EU, and we are running a mock. If they cared so much about this country and about the people, they'd try and work with Basescu.

Becali is already involved in politics :p But he'd never be elected President :lol: We're not THAT stupid :lol:

all this politics talk has made me want to bang my head against the wall :rolls: :angel:

I guess with a lack of strong candidates emerging from within the Romanian government structure there would be a slight chance of one of the former less progressive politicians getting the Presidency. Maybe it is now time for a new face to rise above the mediocrity and to stake a strong claim? If Basescu is voted back in then the only way he will be successful is if the people who hounded him out are removed from their positions or they simply resign.

Well if Basescu has been found not guilty of the charges then he must be reinstated and the people responsible for creating this mess must be removed!

i love talking about politics :p even today in the history class I was the only one talking to my teacher about the parties in the interbelic period :lol: (Mihnea was absent :lol: otherwise we would've been 2)

Yeah I agree it's great :) I used to love the debates we used to have in Uni :)

MissPovaFan
04-26-2007, 08:37 PM
I have been toying with this idea for a while but what do you think would be the impact of merging the roles of the Prime Minister and President into one role? The rivalry between the two posts doesn't seem to be settling down.

Iza
04-26-2007, 08:49 PM
it's impossible for now

MissPovaFan
04-26-2007, 08:52 PM
it's impossible for now

It's pretty difficult I agree but this surely has to be the long term aim? This feud between Basescu and Popescu must be considered a lesson that a country needs one leader rather than two to move forward.

joyk
04-29-2007, 12:37 PM
I am disgusted by this situation,we might as well be led by monkeys.Basescu was elected by the people and only we have the right to take away the presidency from him. I don`t see a good reason to suspend him,he hasn`t been better or worse than his predecessors(since Romania has become a democratic state).Personally I dislike Basescu,he`s just a demagogue with no real accomplishments and with a couple of foreign policy faux pas,but there are no real grounds for suspension.

Jim Jones
04-29-2007, 02:03 PM
What foreign policy faux pas did he make? He brought Romania into EU. He is trying to implement market reforms and Romania is already in NATO.

Mara_M
04-29-2007, 02:16 PM
What foreign policy faux pas did he make? He brought Romania into EU. He is trying to implement market reforms and Romania is already in NATO.
Romania was already 90% in EU ;) he just made the minimum effort to continue.
But there is nothing to be afraid of - the current situation in Romania cannot continue and it will continue sadly unless Basescu steps down. The good guys are not always the ones who win sadly and unless all his opponents are voted out (which is way too unlikely) then he can't continue with the confidence of only a quarter of the government.

Yes a lot of the people are fans of him but what will it matter even if he wins the referendum? :confused: i don't know,i still think Basescu is the less evil. cuz all others are either bigger thiefs either much stupid. not that i'd be basescu fan,not at all. but i can't see an alternative sadly.

if he wins the refferendum it means he can rule again :p

why can't we get a king and a parlament :lol:?

So Miru you wouldn't vote for your favourite if they have little chance of being elected? It's a tough choice sometimes, I have the same situation here where the leading party always wins but my favourite party always come next to last :sad:

I'd make a good politician ;)damn right i would,tho i doubt i'd like someone as politician who isn't capable to convince ppl to vote for him :shrug: how is he supposed to make external deals if he can't convince his own people :shrug:?

Richard_from_Cal
05-21-2007, 12:30 AM
Further in the news today:ROMANIA
President victorious in impeachment vote
BUCHAREST - Romania's President Traian Basescu easily survived a referendum on his impeachment Saturday with at least 75 percent of the vote for him, according to exit polls showing a victory that he said reflected the popularity of his fight against corruption.

Five parties in parliament banded together last month to suspend Basescu, saying he violated the constitution by usurping the role of the prime minister and criticizing the courts.

Basescu, a staunch U.S. ally who won the presidency in 2004, is credited with helping to implement reforms that helped Romania join the EU on Jan. 1.

Deea
05-21-2007, 05:09 PM
Basescu was too strong for the other five parties :p

joyk
05-22-2007, 03:30 PM
I voted for him and against the suspension but I`m really starting to hate him.The sad thing is that I`m gonna have to vote for him again in the future elections because there isn`t any viable alternative.

Iza
05-22-2007, 07:29 PM
I voted for his dismissal even if I knew he'd win. but I felt so good when doing it. i dunno why :lol:

yana
05-22-2007, 08:11 PM
I voted for his dismissal even if I knew he'd win. but I felt so good when doing it. i dunno why :lol:

Funny thing indeed. I voted him in 2004, but now I can stand him. He don't fool me anymore like he does with so many people in this country.

Richard_from_Cal
06-25-2007, 05:47 PM
Further in the news today:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-bear25jun25,1,838484.story?coll=la-headlines-world
Bear kills American tourist in Romania
From the Associated Press
June 25, 2007


BUCHAREST, ROMANIA — A bear attacked a group of U.S. tourists on a remote trail in the Carpathian Mountains, killing a woman and injuring two other people, authorities said Sunday.

The group of six tourists chased off the bear when it tried to approach them near a cabin about 75 miles north of Bucharest, but the animal reappeared on a trail and attacked about 10 p.m. Saturday.

The bear first attacked a 26-year-old woman. After she fell down and tourists threw stones at the bear, it turned its attention to a man, biting him on the leg.

Even as the group continued to throw stones, the bear then mauled to death a 31-year-old woman.

The woman died of her injuries shortly after the arrival of rescuers, a state news agency reported.

Officials did not disclose the victims' identities or hometowns.

Romania is home to about half of Europe's brown bear population, excluding Russia. Three years ago, two men died after they were attacked by a rabid bear. Face it, bad news or politics:--the two ways most countries get into most Americans mindset.

Mara_M
06-25-2007, 06:02 PM
ah that was in romania :haha:?

well,only an american would have gone so close to the bear. the problem is that the bears are hungry as therer's no more food for them out there in the wood so ...plus it's hot outside and most animals go wild...plus as far as i saw in the news she got too close to the animal :p i'll keep you updated with the news if u'd like :p

damn,our country is in the spotlight again :haha:

Iza
06-25-2007, 06:48 PM
be serious....u gotta be crazy throwing stones at the bear :haha: this is ridiculous....they should've run for their lives not mess around with the animal. bears aren't really fluffy and cuddly :shrug:

and the news makes me go :rolleyes: it's such a big deal cos it was a foreigner from a top country. it happened like that when that Japanese guy got bitten by a stray dog :rolleyes:

mtw
06-27-2007, 02:03 PM
Further in the news today:


Anybody ?

:)

We have similar government in Poland. Proamerican chieftains, who do not think about Polish society. They treat us as the worse citizens than they are. But why? People gave power for them and people can take it away and don't get them the other chances. We have the same roots. The only worry of them is, how to toady to USA more. And for what? USA needs only troops for their senseless,ruthless wars and nothing more and it gives nothing for Poland. It is time to see and understand it. Polish government noticed in the last time that there is the only real wonder of this world: Polish government is this wonder.
Besides we have similar politics: catastrophic situation of national economy, medical service and likely secret jails of CIA and participation in illegal, american wars. They hate USSR. I don't say that USSR was good, but these people, who rule now finished schools, study without payment, they made doctor thesis, profesorship in time of USSR and they praised USSR in their thesis for amazing good of system. And now, if they say that it was very bad system and all was very bad in them, they should give back their ,,scientific,, degrees because it is very bad too.
It is real shame to be Pole, because of this people, who do not see it what they do. They live in other world.

Richard_from_Cal
06-29-2007, 05:13 AM
Regards, no post in particular:
Poverty as a % of the population:
Romania....25% (2005 est.)
Moldova....29.5% (2005 figures)
Serbia......30%
note: data covers the former Serbia and Montenegro (1999 est.)
Bulgaria....14.1% (2003 est.
Ukraine.....29% (2003 est.)
Hungary...8.6% (1993 est.)
^^---so, you can see, my source has very different timed estimates of poverty. In an old edition of the resource, it lists 80% poverty level for Moldova.

joyk
07-01-2007, 03:40 PM
ah that was in romania :haha:?

well,only an american would have gone so close to the bear. the problem is that the bears are hungry as therer's no more food for them out there in the wood so ...plus it's hot outside and most animals go wild...plus as far as i saw in the news she got too close to the animal :p i'll keep you updated with the news if u'd like :p


Not true,she is not the only tourist the bears have attacked.There are plenty of idiots who go and fead the bears.She just got scared because all the people were taking pictures and attacked,that`s what wild animals do.The fact that not more people have died is a miracle.
The poor woman was probably told it`s safe,hell of a way to spend your honeymoon.