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Nadal blitzes 'Piggy Roaster' Berdych 6-0 7-5 to reach Monte Carlo final

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 04:10 PM
Very bad Tomas, very bad ;)

Rafa has dropped no more than 5 games in any match this week :cool:

So Tomas, how'd you enjoy the bagel? :D

W!MBLEDON
04-21-2007, 04:11 PM
A Federer/Nadal final! :woohoo:

Berdych double faulted at 5-5, 30-40... :rolleyes: Piggy wasn't really troubled at any stage of the match, unfortunately. :awww:

Björki
04-21-2007, 04:11 PM
Rafa :D

good luck tomorrow :rocker2:

R.Federer
04-21-2007, 04:11 PM
Shhhhhh..... Did they shake hands?

trixtah
04-21-2007, 04:11 PM
Predictable...
Great match! Finally another Nadal-Federer match

I believe there is a certain idiot not allowed in this thread--Mr. Glenn "Matchups don't depend on the surface" Mirnyi

Mechlan
04-21-2007, 04:11 PM
Expected result, good effort from Tomas in the second, just didn't play the big points as well.

LilyRoseAva
04-21-2007, 04:11 PM
great second set!

W!MBLEDON
04-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Very bad Tomas, very bad

:lol: :lol: :lol:

marcRD
04-21-2007, 04:12 PM
I think it is kind of hard to analyse this match, how mch better than this can Berdych play on clay?

The 1st set wat totaly a waste of time.

Anyway, it was a great match by Nadal and I lost 200 dollars, that is life.

Chris Seahorse
04-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Excellent result. ;)

Neely
04-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Shhhhhh..... Did they shake hands?
yes not only a quick girl's handshake, it was even a real one

BigAlbinoDonky
04-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Lol, nice 1st set Birddick.

Julio1974
04-21-2007, 04:13 PM
A pity Rafa let him win 5 games.

Himura
04-21-2007, 04:13 PM
Good second set....forgot how booring it is to watch Nadals opponent to miss every time in every clay match but I also forgot how good Nadal is on clay....impressive

trixtah
04-21-2007, 04:13 PM
yes not only a quick girl's handshake, it was even a real one

haha, Nadal wanted a hug or something but Berdych was too sad to comply

anon57
04-21-2007, 04:13 PM
Too bad Berdych didn't start the match better might have made it more competitive. Good effort in the second though

Voo de Mar
04-21-2007, 04:14 PM
First set :help:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 04:14 PM
Good second set and typical Berdych 30 all 5-5, hits an unforced error and 1st double fault of the set.

Can't serve like an idiot and expect to get the right result against Nadal on clay and Berdych did nothing on Nadal's second serve at all.

Nadal too good and never in doubt, at least he got 1 competitive set this week.

Loremaster
04-21-2007, 04:14 PM
Sweet

Bagel was nice revenge , but match was in total control of Rafa he played very good matches and those two volley were great

Now Bring on Federer and make him your pigeon once again

Neely
04-21-2007, 04:15 PM
I think it is kind of hard to analyse this match, how mch better than this can Berdych play on clay?
IMO Berdych can play better on clay than this 2nd set. He even left out good possibilities, blowing too many 2nd serve backhand returns, missing good chances to approach. Then again, you can as well say that Nadal made more unforced errors than usual and that his 1st serve percentage was pretty weak for his standards.

In the 2nd set you could see that Berdych is still a uncomfortable matchup for Nadal, even on clay. But you also saw the difference in the surface why Berdych won multiple times against Nadal on non-clay, and why it was not enough for him today.

Kitty de Sade
04-21-2007, 04:15 PM
Lovely to see a bagel in this one. Great job by Rafa- now the final we've been waiting for! :woohoo:

martine2
04-21-2007, 04:15 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: RAFA!!!!!!

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 04:15 PM
Typical Berd-man. Didn't realize he even had a match today until the second set. In the second he stopped spraying the ball a little bit and it kept him in it. Then he regressed to first set form in the last couple games.

Not sure what to make of Rafa today. He obviously played well enough to only drop five games, but I don't remember any point at which I said wow about Rafa's game. He really needed to just keep a few balls in play each point it seemed.

Unfortunate since I thought this could have been a great match.

guga2120
04-21-2007, 04:15 PM
And Berdshit gets beat with ease by Rafa, what a shocker.

Rafa's real test is the finals.

Himura
04-21-2007, 04:16 PM
[QUOTE]
Nadal too good and never in doubt, at least he got 1 competitive set this week.[QUOTE]

LOL yeah cuse nadal will destroy fed 6-3 6-2. nah maybe not

NYCtennisfan
04-21-2007, 04:16 PM
1st set was exactly like his 1st set against Federer in Halle last year where it was over before he started. The difference is that Nadal didn't choke in the 2nd set like Fed did in Halle to make it a match.

Nadal handed out more 2nd serves in his match than probably any he has played on clay ever, but Berdman didn't do anything with them.

croat123
04-21-2007, 04:16 PM
thomas :o
fed will finally get a clay win over nadal :D

mallorn
04-21-2007, 04:16 PM
Lovely, for so many reasons. :D

Great match for Rafa, he completely dominated the first set in which Tomas didn't even show up. :scratch: The second set was very competitive and I was beginning to get worried :unsure: when Tomas switched his brain off and DFed to give Rafa the crucial break. No problems serving it out this time :worship: even though I've no idea what's up with Rafa's first serve. :scared:

Great to see both guys on their best behaviour. :D

Sunset of Age
04-21-2007, 04:16 PM
yes not only a quick girl's handshake, it was even a real one

I was delighted to see that, yes! :hatoff: Gentlemen!

Expected result, but a very funny match indeed - that first set, was Tomas there at all? :eek:
But the second one - good fighting job, Tomas!

Anyway I got what I hoped for: tomorrow,

:hearts::hearts::hearts:DREAM FINAL!!! :hearts::hearts::hearts:

May the best win. I don't care who that may be.

NicoFan
04-21-2007, 04:18 PM
Rafa's revenge! :fiery:

I always feel sorry for a guy when they get a bagel, but it did nicely set the tone for the revenge.

Rafa really put on a clinic on how clay should be played.

RAFA - KING OF CLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

NYCtennisfan
04-21-2007, 04:19 PM
IMO Berdych can play better on clay than this 2nd set. He even left out good possibilities, blowing too many 2nd serve backhand returns, missing good chances to approach. Then again, you can as well say that Nadal made more unforced errors than usual and that his 1st serve percentage was pretty weak for his standards.

In the 2nd set you could see that Berdych is still a uncomfortable matchup for Nadal, even on clay. But you also saw the difference in the surface why Berdych won multiple times against Nadal on non-clay, and why it was not enough for him today.

Exactly. You can dig yourself out of trouble on your serve AND cause trouble on your opponent's serve a lot easier on a surface like the Madrid has. You're just not going to be able to hit a few good FH's and string together 3 points in a row against Nadal on clay most of the time.

Nadal's 1st serve has been off all week other than against Kristof and it didn't matter at all in that match.

Himura
04-21-2007, 04:19 PM
DREAM FINAL!!!

May the best win. I don't care who that may be.

You really love them both....like your attitude

Kalliopeia
04-21-2007, 04:20 PM
Seriously, I could live with Rafa losing to Roger even though I of course would rather he didn't, just because this win makes me so happy. I don't think I could have borne Rafa's streak ending to Tomas Berdych, of all people.

Rafa's going to have to serve better than that to win tomorrow, though.

Apemant
04-21-2007, 04:20 PM
A Federer/Nadal final! :woohoo:

Berdych double faulted at 5-5, 30-40... :rolleyes: Piggy wasn't really troubled at any stage of the match, unfortunately. :awww:

Its not just that... from 5-5 30-0 till the end of the match, ALL points were Berdych UEs. Up to that point he was perfectly competitive in the 2nd set. (1st set, though :rolleyes: )

If he ever finds any kind of consistency in his career (which isn't given at all), he'll be a constant threat to Nadal even on clay.

Dilara
04-21-2007, 04:20 PM
Yess Rafa!:woohoo:
Awesome final here we come:banana:

lisaplenske
04-21-2007, 04:21 PM
Berdych peformance is so poor.Not worthy of his talent.:rolleyes:

rafagirlno1
04-21-2007, 04:22 PM
vamos Rafa ,u genius :worship:
i didn't expect such an easy win since berdych has weapons to beat nadal . but wht the heck i take tht .
now just one more schooling to do :devil:

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 04:23 PM
Rafa really put on a clinic on how clay should be played.




Do you really believe that?? I have the utmost respect for Rafa's clay court game, but he really didn't do anything special today. All he did was keep the ball in play for Tomas to beat himself.

NYCtennisfan
04-21-2007, 04:25 PM
Its not just that... from 5-5 30-0 till the end of the match, ALL points were Berdych UEs. Up to that point he was perfectly competitive in the 2nd set. (1st set, though :rolleyes: )

If he ever finds any kind of consistency in his career (which isn't given at all), he'll be a constant threat to Nadal even on clay.

Yes. All the BH returns messed up on 2nd serves didn't help either.

Clara Bow
04-21-2007, 04:26 PM
Whew! I am relieved. :) Rafa looked relieved as well.

He will have to ratch up his serving like he did in the quarters against Federer. But I am sure that it is good for his confidence that he won against Tomas.

Nice to see that they had a decent handshake at the net. In his interview yesterday, Rafa said that he regrets his comments about Berdych immediatly after the Madrid match- so maybe there will be a thaw between the fellows.

CyBorg
04-21-2007, 04:27 PM
Berdych played well in stretches in the second set. At times I thought he might be figuring Nadal out. His returning game is where he failed to close the gap.

CyBorg
04-21-2007, 04:27 PM
Nice to see that they had a decent handshake at the net. In his interview yesterday, Rafa said that he regrets his comments about Berdych immediatly after the Madrid match- so maybe there will be a thaw between the fellows.

I wonder if Berdych took offense. Those comments were just too funny!

guille&tati4life
04-21-2007, 04:28 PM
Yeah, I think Berdych was looking just as likely to get the break as Nadal in the 2nd set. A couple of lucky net cords for Nadal at 5-5 :p

Veronique
04-21-2007, 04:28 PM
Sweet revenge, Rafa! Let's finish the job tomorrow.

Alvarillo
04-21-2007, 04:28 PM
Did you like the donut Thomas? :kiss:
Vamos rafa!!!!

Or Levy
04-21-2007, 04:28 PM
Well, did anyone NOT want this final?

But UGH, why can't the final be today? I can't take those Sunday matches in the middle of the day, and there's no way I can blow off work, baaa, I'll be lucky enough to follow the scoreboard.

Metis
04-21-2007, 04:28 PM
:lol: This match was such a letdown after all that hype. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our big final :banana:.

Rafa's 1st serve percentage was :tape: (I was surprised Berdych could not take advantage of that). Still he needs to improve that.

I wonder what Nadal said to Tomas at the handshake (maybe: "don't worry Tomas I'll practice with you again"? :p). Tomas wasn't very eager to stay around for a chat which is understandable...

trixtah
04-21-2007, 04:28 PM
Do you really believe that?? I have the utmost respect for Rafa's clay court game, but he really didn't do anything special today. All he did was keep the ball in play for Tomas to beat himself.

That's his clay strategy...get out of here, Fedtard. Cable crapped out the entire first set?

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 04:29 PM
Berdych played well in stretches in the second set. At times I thought he might be figuring Nadal out. His returning game is where he failed to close the gap.

Well the match up is still a bad one for Nadal and his passive returning was the main problem today. the 1st set was a write-off, but the 2nd set was good and considering what Berdych has done lately, this is an improvement.

Apemant
04-21-2007, 04:29 PM
Seriously, I could live with Rafa losing to Roger even though I of course would rather he didn't, just because this win makes me so happy. I don't think I could have borne Rafa's streak ending to Tomas Berdych, of all people.


Spot on.... it would only be fair for his streak to end at the hands of Federer, just like Fed's hardcourt streak was ended by Nadal. :devil:


But, seeing how people destroy themselves on that brick wall, and knowing Federer likes to spray UEs all around, I'm not sure I get to see that :unsure:

The_Nadal_effect
04-21-2007, 04:30 PM
I always feel that Rafa's on-court behaviour is sort of linked to his capacity to perform well in the game. Nice to know he made up. Wish him well for tomorrow.

mallorn
04-21-2007, 04:30 PM
Do you really believe that?? I have the utmost respect for Rafa's clay court game, but he really didn't do anything special today. All he did was keep the ball in play for Tomas to beat himself.
Yes, Rafa was solid, but far from spectacular. I'm very surprised that Tomas didn't play better - this must be their first match where he didn't really seem into it.

Rafa will need to step it up tomorrow - and sort out his first serve, for crying out loud. :rolleyes:

Veronique
04-21-2007, 04:30 PM
Yes. All the BH returns messed up on 2nd serves didn't help either.

Commentators speculated that he was having trouble creating his own pace on Rafa's 2nd serve.

rafagirlno1
04-21-2007, 04:31 PM
i think rafa needs to improve his first serve % . he looks unstoppable at the moment and it is going to take a monumental effort to beat him on clay .
i hope he schools fed in straight sets :)

Duchova
04-21-2007, 04:32 PM
So happy for Rafa. :bounce:

Good luck against Roger in the final.

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 04:32 PM
That's his clay strategy...get out of here, Fedtard. Cable crapped out the entire first set?

I challenge you to find a single post in my hundreds on here where I've said anything Fed-tardish.

Am I a Fed-tard because I don't think Rafa played incredibly today? What's the big deal? He won the match comfortably and played well enough.

scoobs
04-21-2007, 04:32 PM
Frustrating for Berdych - he showed some of what he can do in that second set and kept it close - while still not even serving that well or returning as well as he can. But then when the crunch time came he folded - that double fault said everything that needed to be said.

Nadal was good - but I thought he was less impressive in that second set than I've seen him most of the week (perhaps because, correspondingly, the opposition was more sustained than at any time this week)

I still think Nadal in 3 for the title, though. This year I won't believe Roger can beat Rafa on clay until he has done it.

Neely
04-21-2007, 04:33 PM
Well the match up is still a bad one for Nadal and his passive returning was the main problem today. the 1st set was a write-off, but the 2nd set was good and considering what Berdych has done lately, this is an improvement.
I wished Berdych had returned more passively on some 2nd serves instead of gifting the point off an attempt to return aggressively with the backhand right away and give an important free point on 30-30 or 15-30 to Nadal, which he had a few times in the 2nd set. If you already hit five, six backhand returns which would be great, but just don't go over, maybe try for at least one time just a save return to see what Nadal does instead of the quick cheap point. If he blasts a forehand winner of your passive return, you can always go back to your old routine and try an agressive stroke.

Tennis-Engineer
04-21-2007, 04:35 PM
6-0 ! :haha: :haha:

Good revenge.I predicted double bagel.Berdych has resisted well in the second set.

yana
04-21-2007, 04:35 PM
And Berdshit gets beat with ease by Rafa, what a shocker.

Rafa's real test is the finals.



No, Rafa's real test was today. To him, this was = wining the whole thing. I could bet.

P.S: But, I really hope that these two will manage to make up. ;)

Sunset of Age
04-21-2007, 04:36 PM
That's his clay strategy...get out of here, Fedtard. Cable crapped out the entire first set?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I wonder who's the 'tard' here... as many others have already pointed out, among them fans of Rafa, he indeed didn't do anything special today - Tomas just sort-of autocombusted!
And I don't know whether you've seen Raf's first serve statistics, but one might well say that his first serve was completely OFF today. If anything, he'll surely have to improve that tomorrow, as I don't think he'll get away with it against Fed as easily as he did with his other opponents.

For once: criticizing certain elements of a player's game does not equal 'hatred'. Thank you.

FedFan_2007
04-21-2007, 04:36 PM
Fed demolition 6-0, 6-1. Rafatards will be crying.

Neely
04-21-2007, 04:36 PM
Commentators speculated that he was having trouble creating his own pace on Rafa's 2nd serve.
Could be, if the ball comes at you with great speed and you are great getting your racket to it and use the speed for your return, sort of block the shot. Yes, it's a different kind of return than returning a high kick serve on clay and trying to be aggressive off that shot.

RickDaStick
04-21-2007, 04:37 PM
I have to say i was hoping for El Tardo to win today. Fed-Nadal final sure is better than Fed-Berdych.

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 04:38 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I wonder who's the 'tard' here... as many others have already pointed out, among them fans of Rafa, he indeed didn't do anything special today - Tomas just sort-of autocombusted!
And I don't know whether you've seen Raf's first serve statistics, but one might well say that his first serve was completely OFF today. If anything, he'll surely have to improve that tomorrow, as I don't think he'll get away with it against Fed as easily as he did with his other opponents.

For once: criticizing certain elements of a player's game does not equal 'hatred'. Thank you.

Stop making sense. That apparently isn't allowed around here.

explicit
04-21-2007, 04:38 PM
Seriously, I could live with Rafa losing to Roger even though I of course would rather he didn't, just because this win makes me so happy. I don't think I could have borne Rafa's streak ending to Tomas Berdych, of all people.
Rafa's going to have to serve better than that to win tomorrow, though.

My thoughts exactly!

I'm so happy we'll see Fed-Rafa again that I don't really care who wins tomorrow!

MisterQ
04-21-2007, 04:38 PM
Awesome, Nadal! :clap2:

Another Fed-Nadal chapter awaits... :dance:

trixtah
04-21-2007, 04:40 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I wonder who's the 'tard' here... as many others have already pointed out, among them fans of Rafa, he indeed didn't do anything special today - Tomas just sort-of autocombusted!
And I don't know whether you've seen Raf's first serve statistics, but one might well say that his first serve was completely OFF today. If anything, he'll surely have to improve that tomorrow, as I don't think he'll get away with it against Fed as easily as he did with his other opponents.

For once: criticizing certain elements of a player's game does not equal 'hatred'. Thank you.

I'd like you to point out where I implied that Rafa had done anything special here. I stated clearly that all he needed to do was keep the ball in play. First set was great in terms of attacking, second set was great in terms of defense and keeping mental fortitude. I'm sure that a bagel is never spectacular, though :rolleyes: Berdych did great in the second set, but the double fault sealed his fate. If by "spectacular," you want to see Rafa hitting winners all over the court on clay, then yeah, it wasn't spectacular by any means. The match was pretty much decided and while Tomas did well to recoup, it was too little, too late.

sykotique
04-21-2007, 04:40 PM
It's ironic that Nadal's least impressive match of the tournament gives him his first bagel on clay.

Berdych could have taken this one to 3, but he was never really "in control" of the match. True, he made many unforced errors, but on clay against Nadal, those errors are what make the difference. And that's how Tomas plays. Hit or miss. Today, unfortunately for him, he missed more than he hit.

Rafa will take Fed, but Fed will push him to 3 sets. Expect Rome to be the barnburner that it was last year and Fed's sole chance at a clay victory over Nadal.

yana
04-21-2007, 04:41 PM
:lol: This match was such a letdown after all that hype. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our big final :banana:.

Rafa's 1st serve percentage was :tape: (I was surprised Berdych could not take advantage of that). Still he needs to improve that.

I wonder what Nadal said to Tomas at the handshake (maybe: "don't worry Tomas I'll practice with you again"? :p). Tomas wasn't very eager to stay around for a chat which is understandable...


You are so lucky you manage to see the match live. I have to wait till 8 p.m. to see it. :rolleyes:

*Viva Chile*
04-21-2007, 04:42 PM
And where are the Fedtards??? :lol: keep away from behind and show us what excuse will give about Berdshit game today?? :dance:

Clay tennis won today :rocker2:

neenah
04-21-2007, 04:43 PM
:hearts::hearts::hearts:DREAM FINAL!!! :hearts::hearts::hearts:

May the best win. I don't care who that may be.

It's so nice to see other people on MTF who love Roger AND Rafa like I do. :D

Mechlan
04-21-2007, 04:43 PM
I wished Berdych had returned more passively on some 2nd serves instead of gifting the point off an attempt to return aggressively with the backhand right away and give an important free point on 30-30 or 15-30 to Nadal, which he had a few times in the 2nd set. If you already hit five, six backhand returns which would be great, but just don't go over, maybe try for at least one time just a save return to see what Nadal does instead of the quick cheap point. If he blasts a forehand winner of your passive return, you can always go back to your old routine and try an agressive stroke.

Yeah, he was certainly holding his own in the rallies and he had opportunities in several games in the second set to perhaps get a break if he'd played it a bit safer on the return. Always frustrating to lose cheap points that way, and against Nadal, it's a surefire way to lose.

Nadal didn't play as well as he's capable of, not surprising, because Tomas did what he always does against Rafa, pin him with hard flat shots and kept the rallies short enough to not give Nadal too much rhythm. But in a way that's also his undoing because of the smaller margin for error. Have to credit Nadal, his mental resilience is great, and he took full advantage of Tomas' lapses.

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 04:44 PM
I wished Berdych had returned more passively on some 2nd serves instead of gifting the point off an attempt to return aggressively with the backhand right away and give an important free point on 30-30 or 15-30 to Nadal, which he had a few times in the 2nd set. If you already hit five, six backhand returns which would be great, but just don't go over, maybe try for at least one time just a save return to see what Nadal does instead of the quick cheap point. If he blasts a forehand winner of your passive return, you can always go back to your old routine and try an agressive stroke.

Nadal wasn't serving that well and Berdych was too passive, he wasn't just playing bozo ball bashing tennis. It was a lot of nothing on his return games, but he failed to put pressure when the half chances were there and he got what he deserved.

Berdych doesn't have good defensive skills and he couldn't hit the ball deep enough often enough to move to the net and take it from there.

Veronique
04-21-2007, 04:44 PM
You are so lucky you manage to see the match live. I have to wait till 8 p.m. to see it. :rolleyes:

What's wrong with TVU?

Merton
04-21-2007, 04:47 PM
Frustrating performance from Tomas, nothing to say about the 1st set but the way he got broken in the second was, well, typical. However, this week was very good for him and he made his first semis appearance in a TMS outside of indoors. I could never predict that Nadal would serve at around 50% first serves and yet Tomas would not get a single break point.

yana
04-21-2007, 04:50 PM
What's wrong with TVU?

it's wrong. my pc hates it. it stops often. :fiery:

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 04:50 PM
It's so nice to see other people on MTF who love Roger AND Rafa like I do. :D

They're both great players. They simply have different strengths and weaknesses. I think it's great for people to be able to appreciate the differences in the game of tennis. That instead of being so single minded for one type of player or suface as being superior. Of course, everyone has their preferences.

trixtah
04-21-2007, 04:50 PM
Frustrating performance from Tomas, nothing to say about the 1st set but the way he got broken in the second was, well, typical. However, this week was very good for him and he made his first semis appearance in a TMS outside of indoors. I could never predict that Nadal would serve at around 50% first serves and yet Tomas would not get a single break point.

It was disappointing that he didn't stick to the strategy that was winning him points in this match. He was trying to out-rally Rafa when he was doing pretty well coming forward. Even when he hit some great shots, he stayed back. The second set could have been another affair had he taken advantage a bit more.

Xristos
04-21-2007, 04:52 PM
Vamoos Rafa VAMOOS!

The final we all wanted to see!!

Neely
04-21-2007, 04:54 PM
Nadal wasn't serving that well and Berdych was too passive, he wasn't just playing bozo ball bashing tennis. It was a lot of nothing on his return games, but he failed to put pressure when the half chances were there and he got what he deserved.

Berdych doesn't have good defensive skills and he couldn't hit the ball deep enough often enough to move to the net and take it from there.
I didn't say Nadal was serving good and don't disagree with what you said. To make it short, my point was: if the desired offensive shot does not work for you repeatedly, at least try something 'more safe' once if you previously blew several good looks because you gave away cheap points too fast on 2nd serve returns. And see what happens if you finally return a ball on 30-30 or 15-30, let Nadal prove if he can come up with his own point instead of gifting it to him on a big point situation more than enough times. If he blasts winners, then okay.

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 04:55 PM
I challenge you to find a single post in my hundreds on here where I've said anything Fed-tardish.

Am I a Fed-tard because I don't think Rafa played incredibly today? What's the big deal? He won the match comfortably and played well enough.
Your username says it all ;)

yana
04-21-2007, 04:55 PM
Fed demolition 6-0, 6-1. Rafatards will be crying.


Do you really mean that? Please, don't scare us! :scared:

mallorn
04-21-2007, 04:56 PM
Do you really mean that? Please, don't scare us! :scared:
Hey, this could be the next jinx! :D

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 04:57 PM
Your username says it all ;)

Ah, thanks. :lol: Well, I make no apologies for Fed being my favorite player. But that doesn't mean I need to be unreasonable when I talk about tennis.

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 05:00 PM
Can't serve like an idiot and expect to get the right result against Nadal on clay and Berdych did nothing on Nadal's second serve at all.
Well the match up is still a bad one for Nadal and his passive returning was the main problem today. the 1st set was a write-off, but the 2nd set was good and considering what Berdych has done lately, this is an improvement.

Nadal wasn't serving that well and Berdych was too passive, he wasn't just playing bozo ball bashing tennis. It was a lot of nothing on his return games, but he failed to put pressure when the half chances were there and he got what he deserved.

Berdych doesn't have good defensive skills and he couldn't hit the ball deep enough often enough to move to the net and take it from there.
Is this the same GWH who slaughtered me for a)making "excuses" when Nadal lost to Berdych and b) not praising the opponent? :scratch: ;)

Does this make you a Berdych fanboy like I'm apparently a Nadal fanboy? :D

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:00 PM
I didn't say Nadal was serving good and don't disagree with what you said. To make it short, my point was: if the desired offensive shot does not work for you repeatedly, at least try something 'more safe' once if you previously blew several good looks because you gave away cheap points too fast on 2nd serve returns. And see what happens if you finally return a ball on 30-30 or 15-30, let Nadal prove if he can come up with his own point instead of gifting it to him on a big point situation more than enough times.

Problem is you can have all the greatest plans of all time, but they count for shit if they can't be implemented.

Berdych plays a very flat game and we know what happens when he is just a little off in his timing. This was clearly shown in the above and what happened generally. He did well when he went to the net, but couldn't get their more on his own terms.

You have to look at the individuals game, he doesn't have the big heavy forehand to throw it up there to start the point and his backhand slices are still in a development stage. Yes, it was frustrating, but he was outplayed and got what he deserved.

yana
04-21-2007, 05:02 PM
Hey, this could be the next jinx! :D

And it's just on time....:devil:

Merton
04-21-2007, 05:03 PM
Problem is you can have all the greatest plans of all time, but they count for shit if they can't be implemented.

Berdych plays a very flat game and we know what happens when he is just a little off in his timing. This was clearly shown in the above and what happened generally. He did well when he went to the net, but couldn't get their more on his own terms.

You have to look at the individuals game, he doesn't have the big heavy forehand to throw it up there to start the point and his backhand slices are still in a development stage. Yes, it was frustrating, but he was outplayed and got what he deserved.

Spot on, Tomas knows how to play Nadal, he just didn't execute well enough today. He might still lose, but at least we would get a much more interesting match.

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:03 PM
Is this the same GWH who slaughtered me for a)making "excuses" when Nadal lost to Berdych and b) not praising the opponent? :scratch: ;)

Does this make you a Berdych fanboy like I'm apparently a Nadal fanboy? :D


Who is making excuses? If you actually read what I have said, then there isn't any excuses. The result never in doubt, if you missed that, then you are a clown.

Yes, it was frustrating, but he was outplayed and got what he deserved.

Nice one clown.

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 05:05 PM
Who is making excuses? If you actually read what I have said, then there isn't any excuses. The result never in doubt, if you missed that, then you are a clown.

Yes, it was frustrating, but he was outplayed and got what he deserved.

Nice one clown.
That was after my post ;)

A simple "well played Nadal, too good today" would've done me just fine :kiss:

Johnny Groove
04-21-2007, 05:07 PM
I believe Adam said in the live score thread something to the effect of: "I almost felt sorry for Berdych, then I remembered how much of a dick he is, and felt alot better" :devil:

Spot on :yeah:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:08 PM
That was after my post ;)

A simple "well played Nadal, too good today" would've done me just fine :kiss:

In other words you are having a bitch cause I said Berdych deserved to lose. :)

Johnny Groove
04-21-2007, 05:10 PM
Berdych deserved to lose. :)

Fucking Right!!!! :rocker2:

Mechlan
04-21-2007, 05:12 PM
Problem is you can have all the greatest plans of all time, but they count for shit if they can't be implemented.


True, but at some point you have to realize that you're making the UEs and make some adjustment to cut down on them - even if it means not going for your shots like you want to. I think Berdych missed 3 or 4 backhands that clipped the tape those last 2 games. Ultimately it is just execution, but at that stage of the match, that is inexcusable.

Roger The Great
04-21-2007, 05:12 PM
Fucking Right!!!! :rocker2:

:lol:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:12 PM
Fucking Right!!!! :rocker2:

If I thought otherwise, then Ljubo has a mullet.

DhammaTiger
04-21-2007, 05:12 PM
Rafa again proved his haters wrong, another one bites the dust :yippee:. Tomorrow is going to be tough but I have full confidence in Rafa :woohoo: :worship: VAMOS RAFEL!!!!! :worship: :woohoo: :bounce:

scoobs
04-21-2007, 05:14 PM
For Rafa it was more than useful that he won that match - I don't think MTF could have coped if Rafa had become Berdych's pigeon.

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 05:15 PM
In other words you are having a bitch cause I said Berdych deserved to lose. :)
I just like gloating, and there's not enough Berdych fans around to annoy :(

Oh well, I'll make up for it tomorrow :dance:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:16 PM
I just like gloating, and there's not enough Berdych fans around to annoy :(

Oh well, I'll make up for it tomorrow :dance:

Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from you. I just wish there was a point when one of them was at the net and the other went to tatoo him :p

Johnny Groove
04-21-2007, 05:17 PM
If I thought otherwise, then Ljubo has a mullet.

Ljubo with a mullet :scared:

btw, Adam, is Dancing Rasta Rasta making a comeback for the clay season?

Merton
04-21-2007, 05:17 PM
True, but at some point you have to realize that you're making the UEs and make some adjustment to cut down on them - even if it means not going for your shots like you want to. I think Berdych missed 3 or 4 backhands that clipped the tape those last 2 games. Ultimately it is just execution, but at that stage of the match, that is inexcusable.

I don't agree there, Tomas doesn't move as well as Nadal is, he knows it, and he knows that Nadal knows it. He also hits the ball flat, he doesn't have the heavy ground strokes to turn the rally back to neutral. Therefore, he needs to avoid being on the defensive as much as possible.

Johnny Groove
04-21-2007, 05:18 PM
If I thought otherwise, then Ljubo has a mullet.

Ljubo with a mullet :scared:

btw, Adam, is Dancing Rasta Rasta making a comeback for the clay season?

trixtah
04-21-2007, 05:20 PM
Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from you. I just wish there was a point when one of them was at the net and the other went to tatoo him :p

at one point I thought that was about to happen but Rafa hit the cross court winner instead :/

Merton
04-21-2007, 05:21 PM
I just like gloating, and there's not enough Berdych fans around to annoy :(

Oh well, I'll make up for it tomorrow :dance:

Well, the most recent Berdych fans tend to disappear very quickly once he loses:awww:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:22 PM
True, but at some point you have to realize that you're making the UEs and make some adjustment to cut down on them - even if it means not going for your shots like you want to. I think Berdych missed 3 or 4 backhands that clipped the tape those last 2 games. Ultimately it is just execution, but at that stage of the match, that is inexcusable.

Like I said, you have to look at the respective player's game and Berdych is such a flat hitter and doesn't have the margin for error on his shots and if a tight situation comes up. First thing the legs get heavier and he really needs to have his movement top notch especially against Nadal on the surface.

His defensive skills need work and he isn't a percentage player, it comes off at times and others it doesn't. Better man won on the day and deservedly so, at least he got a tough set.

Clara Bow
04-21-2007, 05:40 PM
I do think that the fact that Nadal won this could bode well for a big thaw in the frostiness between the two- much like what happened with Feds and Nadal after Wimbledon. Of course Roger and Rafa were always friendlier than Tomas and Rafa were but still. It does seem like there are some players that when one wins more than the other there can be degrees of frostiness. Rafa doesn't have it with Blake or Youzhny- but there has never been the drama or the sniping like there was with Tomas. I do think that Tomas will always be a tough, tough player for Nadal and I think as their careers go on- he will end up with a winning record between the two. But maybe it will be a bit more even.

connectolove
04-21-2007, 05:41 PM
I am in California, I have no access to these matches, this is sooo unfair!

I wish I had watched this!

trixtah
04-21-2007, 05:42 PM
I am in California, I have no access to these matches, this is sooo unfair!

I wish I had watched this!

Lucky for me, I've got TTC :)

Naide
04-21-2007, 05:43 PM
Classic. Let's hope for a great match against Fed.

Neely
04-21-2007, 05:51 PM
Problem is you can have all the greatest plans of all time, but they count for shit if they can't be implemented.
That's right, but I think he would have been capable to implement a less risky backhand return, this is possible even if you play a flat game and it doesn't need to be as backhand topspin moonball, just a less riskier one. But it just did not exist for him so, on good looks, he kept on going for flat backhand shots with nasty crosscourt angles or going down the line immediately.

I mean, that's what I would have tested out. Recognizing: 1.) damn, how does he sneak out of the games despite I had 15-30/30-30 twice or thrice, despite I saw 2nd serves and then 2.) eliminating my source of error to see what he does because Nadal was not in a break points saving groove as he was not tested in that situation.

That was my feeling.

Bilbo
04-21-2007, 05:53 PM
expected straight sets win by nadal

rafa will rip federer a big fat one tomorrow

connectolove
04-21-2007, 05:57 PM
Rafa will give Fed a well deserved bagel a la "Menorquina".

Tess Gray
04-21-2007, 05:57 PM
Can anyone tell what happened between Nadal and Berdych? Because i don't really get that :rolleyes:

Bilbo
04-21-2007, 05:59 PM
Can anyone tell what happened between Nadal and Berdych? Because i don't really get that :rolleyes:

What don't you get? Today's expected straight sets win?

ChinoRios4Ever
04-21-2007, 05:59 PM
RAFA :woohoo:

well done, DREAM FINAL IS COMING!!!!! :fiery: :)

tangerine_dream
04-21-2007, 06:01 PM
Awesome job Rafa :woohoo:

Sunset of Age
04-21-2007, 06:03 PM
I'd like you to point out where I implied that Rafa had done anything special here.

No, you didn't, but that wasn't actually the point on which I (tried to) react. I merely wanted to state that the person to whom you reacted with "get out of here, Fedtard" was actually just pointing out the obvious - and I don't think it's so nice - nor wise - to call one a 'tard' on one's username alone.

For instance, I've been misinterpreted as a Rafatard for my username as well - and I needed to remember people that BOTH of my fav players are pretty good on clay - as they've shown today. :D

But for now: peace, okay? :angel:

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 06:04 PM
Who else would have started this thread with such a fake title??? :rolleyes:

Berdych... go. to. the. net.

Neely
04-21-2007, 06:04 PM
Can anyone tell what happened between Nadal and Berdych? Because i don't really get that :rolleyes:
some reading references:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=88636
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=96944
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=88711
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=88696

MaryWalsh
04-21-2007, 06:06 PM
Yay!

Kalliopeia
04-21-2007, 06:08 PM
I do think that the fact that Nadal won this could bode well for a big thaw in the frostiness between the two- much like what happened with Feds and Nadal after Wimbledon. Of course Roger and Rafa were always friendlier than Tomas and Rafa were but still. It does seem like there are some players that when one wins more than the other there can be degrees of frostiness. Rafa doesn't have it with Blake or Youzhny- but there has never been the drama or the sniping like there was with Tomas. I do think that Tomas will always be a tough, tough player for Nadal and I think as their careers go on- he will end up with a winning record between the two. But maybe it will be a bit more even.

I don't know, they've known each other for a long time, right? I get the feeling there's a history there, like they've known and disliked each other for a long time. Rafa said he regretted what he said after Madrid, but my feeling is that he might regret saying it but not thinking it. :) Plus Berdych seems like a jackass in general, unlike Roger or Youzhny or Blake.

I think tomorrow will depend on who gets out to the early lead. Unless I'm mistaken, Roger has been broken early by everyone he's played so far. He's recovered, but Rafa has in turn broken everyone he's played early on and never looked back. If Roger has another slow start and lets Rafa get his teeth into a lead, it's going to be extremely hard for him, I think.

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 06:11 PM
Who else would have started this thread with such a fake title??? :rolleyes:

Berdych... go. to. the. net.
Which part of the title is fake? :scratch:

Blitzes seems an appropriate word considering the scoreline.
The scoreline seems accurate.
And the fact that Nadal reached the Monte Carlo final seems correct.

:D

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 06:14 PM
Which part of the title is fake? :scratch:

Blitzes seems an appropriate word considering the scoreline.
The scoreline seems accurate.
And the fact that Nadal reached the Monte Carlo final seems correct.

:D

Berdych lost the first set making tons of UE. That's not blitzing. :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 06:16 PM
That's right, but I think he would have been capable to implement a less risky backhand return, this is possible even if you play a flat game and it doesn't need to be as backhand topspin moonball, just a less riskier one. But it just did not exist for him so, on good looks, he kept on going for flat backhand shots with nasty crosscourt angles or going down the line immediately.

Well you have to learn from defeats, don't you? I am not saying it has to be a moonball, but it's an option he doesn't have or will use. You are forgetting the key factors of the movement here, for him to hit those shots and that goes back to the lack of defensive skills at the moment. So he takes the chance of hitting the big shot and the less percentage play, which is not unexpected.

I mean, that's what I would have tested out. Recognizing: 1.) damn, how does he sneak out of the games despite I had 15-30/30-30 twice or thrice, despite I saw 2nd serves and then 2.) eliminating my source of error to see what he does because Nadal was not in a break points saving groove as he was not tested in that situation.

Hard being out there in a big match and able to think that clearly. It works sometimes and not others, Berdych is up and down mentally and that won't change all of a sudden. He couldn't get the job done and got the result he deserved.

Clara Bow
04-21-2007, 06:18 PM
I don't know, they've known each other for a long time, right? I get the feeling there's a history there, like they've known and disliked each other for a long time. Rafa said he regretted what he said after Madrid, but my feeling is that he might regret saying it but not thinking it. Plus Berdych seems like a jackass in general, unlike Roger or Youzhny or Blake.

Well- I don't think that they will ever be BFF that is true. I do think that they have aspects of their respective (seems mostly on court) personalities that rubs each other the wrong way. But they may be able to tolerate one another better. They were able to do that before Madrid- and practiced together every now and then. Kind of like when you may have to be around folks at work or who are friends of your friends and you know that you will never go out with them to dinner and they may bug- but you can tolerate.

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 06:21 PM
Berdych lost the first set making tons of UE. That's not blitzing. :rolleyes:
6-0 isn't a blitzing :haha: :yeah:

Are you getting your excuses ready for tomorrow? :)

Sunset of Age
04-21-2007, 06:23 PM
I think tomorrow will depend on who gets out to the early lead. Unless I'm mistaken, Roger has been broken early by everyone he's played so far. He's recovered, but Rafa has in turn broken everyone he's played early on and never looked back. If Roger has another slow start and lets Rafa get his teeth into a lead, it's going to be extremely hard for him, I think.

Spot on. :yeah:

Roger's own sloppy serve games - and hence the :eek: :eek: :eek: numbers of rebreaks he had - really have to GO, if wants to have any chance of beating Raf in this form. Also, that way too high number of UEs... :mad:

On the other hand, Rafa's first serve still doesn't seem to work very well. If Roger attacks his second serve properly (which Tomás did not or could not today) he might well have a chance.

Well, we'll see tomorrow. Whatever the outcome - tennis will win. :D

sykotique
04-21-2007, 06:31 PM
Rafa will win, but not as easily as some posters are suggesting. Fed has obviously been improving since the first round and his volleys are to be respected. He can give Rafa some trouble for a set and some.

Apemant
04-21-2007, 06:38 PM
6-0 isn't a blitzing :haha: :yeah:


Of course it isn't. Rafa's game just doesn't warrant the term 'blitzing'.

Blitzing is what Germany did to Polland. It's not what Russia did to Germany (or Napoleon). It's not a matter of TIME or a matter of SCORELINE. It's a matter of STYLE. And even that first set wasn't any kind of blitzing, since 80% points ended in Birdman's UE. Some blitz. :rolleyes:

EDIT: don't get me wrong; Rafa won it fair and square, was the better player here. It's just that blitz=aggression, and Rafa most definitely is NOT an aggressive player.

A_Skywalker
04-21-2007, 06:39 PM
Well done Rafaelito :) http://images.ibox.bg/2007/03/28/nadal/220x190.jpg

A_Skywalker
04-21-2007, 06:41 PM
6-0 isn't a blitzing :haha: :yeah:

Are you getting your excuses ready for tomorrow? :)

There are always excuses :) Dont waste your time in explaining things people cant understand :p

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:08 PM
6-0 isn't a blitzing :haha: :yeah:

Are you getting your excuses ready for tomorrow? :)

Of course it isn't. Rafa's game just doesn't warrant the term 'blitzing'.

Blitzing is what Germany did to Polland. It's not what Russia did to Germany (or Napoleon). It's not a matter of TIME or a matter of SCORELINE. It's a matter of STYLE. And even that first set wasn't any kind of blitzing, since 80% points ended in Birdman's UE. Some blitz. :rolleyes:

EDIT: don't get me wrong; Rafa won it fair and square, was the better player here. It's just that blitz=aggression, and Rafa most definitely is NOT an aggressive player.

See, I guess someone here knows what this word means. ;) Moonballing to oblivion isn't blitzing.

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:09 PM
There are always excuses :) Dont waste your time in explaining things people cant understand :p

:rolleyes: Nadal can't blitz anyone. Read Apemant post. :rolleyes:

cmurray
04-21-2007, 07:22 PM
This was an interesting match to be sure. I agree that Rafa didn't play his very best tennis in the first set...because Berdych didn't give him the chance to. Tomas was just awful.

In the second set, Berdych raised his game....but Rafa didn't balk. Was it impressive tennis? No, but it got the job done. This win today was a mental hurdle for Nadal. Tomorrow is going to be back to tennis again. We won't see the same Nadal tomorrow that we did today.

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:25 PM
"Nadal" and "impressive tennis" go together as "Miami" and "polar night".

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 07:31 PM
"Nadal" and "impressive tennis" go together as "Miami" and "polar night".
66 and counting :wavey: :smoke:

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:35 PM
Or your President Lula and "intelligence" in the same sentence

I agree, by the way.

Or "Chile" and "major potency in South America". :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:36 PM
66 and counting :wavey: :smoke:

:lol: on clay... :rolleyes:

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 07:45 PM
:lol: on clay... :rolleyes:
Some would argue it's the most impressive seeing as there are so many specialist clay courters around :D

Just in case counting isn't your strong point, tomorrow will be number 67 ;)

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:48 PM
Some would argue it's the most impressive seeing as there are so many specialist clay courters around :D

Just in case counting isn't your strong point, tomorrow will be number 67 ;)

Like who? Berdych? Soderling? Gasquet? :haha: There are no good clay specialists anymore.

Only match-up can save your hero tomorrow. By the way, that's the only reason Federer may lose tomorrow, if match-up issues aren't your strong point. :dance:

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 07:50 PM
Like who? Berdych? Soderling? Gasquet? :haha: There are no good clay specialists anymore.

Only match-up can save your hero tomorrow. By the way, that's the only reason Federer may lose tomorrow, if match-up issues aren't your strong point. :dance:
:lol: you know as well as I do that that's not true.....and how many grass court specialists are there?

There are plenty of reasons why Federer will lose tomorrow. I await the excuses :cool:

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 07:54 PM
:lol: you know as well as I do that that's not true.....and how many grass court specialists are there?

There are plenty of reasons why Federer will lose tomorrow. I await the excuses :cool:

I never make excuses about players' losses. I'm no rafa-fanboy.

Federer wins on all surfaces, quite the contrary of Nadal. :D

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 07:59 PM
I never make excuses about players' losses. I'm no rafa-fanboy.

Federer wins on all surfaces, quite the contrary of Nadal. :D
Are we talking about the Nadal who has won a TMS on all surfaces? :D

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 08:00 PM
Are we talking about the Nadal who has won a TMS on all surfaces? :D

Carpet? When? :lol: :haha:

adee-gee
04-21-2007, 08:02 PM
Carpet? When? :lol: :haha:
Sorry I meant surfaces he had actually played on :o

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 08:04 PM
Sorry I meant surfaces he had actually played on :o

It's his fault he is always injured.

trixtah
04-21-2007, 08:04 PM
Like who? Berdych? Soderling? Gasquet? :haha: There are no good clay specialists anymore.

Only match-up can save your hero tomorrow. By the way, that's the only reason Federer may lose tomorrow, if match-up issues aren't your strong point. :dance:

says the same guy who said surfaces don't make a difference in match-ups...predicting that Berdych would dominate Rafa...

just because Rafa hasn't won on carpet you're discounting him? sounds like an excuse to me :rolleyes: :wavey: :rolls:

lol don't bother dealing with Glenn unless it's in a thread where his favorite wins

cmurray
04-21-2007, 08:08 PM
"Nadal" and "impressive tennis" go together as "Miami" and "polar night".

Yeah. Nadal is a TERRIBLE tennis player. That's why he loses all the time. Reaching at least the quarters of 4 successive grand slam tourmanents - he ought to be ashamed. Too bad he's not more like Max Mirnyi.

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 08:14 PM
says the same guy who said surfaces don't make a difference in match-ups...predicting that Berdych would dominate Rafa...

just because Rafa hasn't won on carpet you're discounting him? sounds like an excuse to me :rolleyes: :wavey: :rolls:

lol don't bother dealing with Glenn unless it's in a thread where his favorite wins

Had to answer that.

Never predicted anything about Berdych dominating the moonballer, :retard:.

Of course. In the surfaces moonballing isn't worth anything he's a no-one.

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 08:15 PM
Yeah. Nadal is a TERRIBLE tennis player. That's why he loses all the time. Reaching at least the quarters of 4 successive grand slam tourmanents - he ought to be ashamed. Too bad he's not more like Max Mirnyi.

You wish he could serve and/or volley like Max.

Bringing Max to this conversation is pointless. You wanna annoy me with that? Not gonna work.

Castafiore
04-21-2007, 08:20 PM
Straight sets. :bounce:
I really thought before the match that it would go to 3 sets but I'm not complaining.

Jade Fox
04-21-2007, 08:28 PM
This result wasn't too surprising for me. I had a feeling Rafa was going to do to Tomas on clay what Roger did to Rafa on grass: Establish dominance.

RonE
04-21-2007, 08:36 PM
Rafa :D

good luck tomorrow :rocker2:

He doesn't need any luck. This title is his without question :shrug:

Not that there was any doubt to begin with :rolleyes:

trixtah
04-21-2007, 08:37 PM
Had to answer that.

Never predicted anything about Berdych dominating the moonballer, :retard:.

Of course. In the surfaces moonballing isn't worth anything he's a no-one.

that last sentence makes no sense but when you say that "he's a no-one" are you alluding to Berdych on clay as being a nobody?

jazar
04-21-2007, 08:40 PM
i thought berdych would continue the trend of nadal's opponents getting one more game per round

stebs
04-21-2007, 08:40 PM
that last sentence makes no sense but when you say that "he's a no-one" are you alluding to Berdych on clay as being a nobody?

Not saying I agree but the sentance makes perfect sense. What he means to say is that on the surfaces where the tactic of moonballing isn't worth anything Nadal is a no-one. I think. :)

trixtah
04-21-2007, 08:46 PM
Not saying I agree but the sentance makes perfect sense. What he means to say is that on the surfaces where the tactic of moonballing isn't worth anything Nadal is a no-one. I think. :)

ah, okay. Well the sentence really makes little sense without Mr. Comma and Mr. hyphen but I see what he's saying now.

Glenn, are you saying that you never believed Tomas would beat Rafa on clay?

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 08:55 PM
Not saying I agree but the sentance makes perfect sense. What he means to say is that on the surfaces where the tactic of moonballing isn't worth anything Nadal is a no-one. I think. :)

Thanks. I don't have enough patience to explain sentences to newbies. :hug:

trixtah
04-21-2007, 08:57 PM
Thanks. I don't have enough patience to explain sentences to newbies. :hug:

especially ones that make no sense without proper punctuation...Stebs, if you understood his statement, then I believe you could say "great minds think alike--" although in this case, "great" can be replaced with something more along the lines of "lesser."

Read it again, Stebs, and tell me how I'm supposed to arrive at that conclusion without assumption.
"Of course. In the surfaces moonballing isn't worth anything he's a no-one." Grammar, my dear Watson.

Neely
04-21-2007, 08:57 PM
Federer wins on all surfaces, quite the contrary of Nadal. :D
Quantity: The edge for hardcourt and grass is clearly with Federer. On clay, it's clearly for Nadal.
Does Nadal have a grasscourt title? No.
Does Nadal win titles on surfaces other than clay? Yes.
Circle is closed, we can begin with quantity again stating that Federer won Grand Slams on hardcourt and grass and so on.

trixtah
04-21-2007, 08:59 PM
Quantity: The edge for hardcourt and grass is clearly with Federer. On clay, it's for Nadal.
Does Nadal have a grasscourt title? No.
Does Nadal win on surfaces other than clay? Yes. Circle is close, we can begin with quantity again stating that Federer won Grand Slams on hardcourt and grass.

Is actual logic allowed in here?! O_O

Neely
04-21-2007, 09:02 PM
Is actual logic allowed in here?! O_O
Apparently not when I read well differentiated sentences like the ones that Nadal does not win (I assumed he meant titles) on all surfaces. Never mind, maybe it was just ironic and I did not catch it! :lol: :smoke:

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 09:09 PM
Quantity: The edge for hardcourt and grass is clearly with Federer. On clay, it's clearly for Nadal.
Does Nadal have a grasscourt title? No.
Does Nadal win titles on surfaces other than clay? Yes.
Circle is closed, we can begin with quantity again stating that Federer won Grand Slams on hardcourt and grass and so on.

Nadal's best showing on a fast surface last year: lost to Pim-Pim in straights.

If you don't know, I'll explain: there are 4 surfaces in tennis: hard, clay, grass and carpet.

Federer has titles on all surfaces. Nadal? :wavey:

Neely
04-21-2007, 09:17 PM
If you don't know, I'll explain: there are 4 surfaces in tennis: hard, clay, grass and carpet.
I see, you are making subcategories because only very special indoor hardcourts are counting as a fast surface. Okay, Nadal sucks on the fast indoor hardcourts of Stockholm.

t0x
04-21-2007, 09:39 PM
It's a shame Tomas didn't win the second set, he was starting to play well...

What a horrible first set mind, Nadal did play well, but Berdych didn't show up at all.

Still, a promising week for Berdych - he looks as though he's coming back into form - yay!

D-man
04-21-2007, 10:14 PM
Amazing what a difference clay makes.

cmurray
04-21-2007, 10:46 PM
You wish he could serve and/or volley like Max.

Bringing Max to this conversation is pointless. You wanna annoy me with that? Not gonna work.

Calling Nadal unimpressive is equally as pointless. I was simply returning the favor.

And you're right. I sit around all the time saying "gee, I WISH Nadal were more like Mirnyi...:sad: "

Oh, and I don't need to bring Max into the conversation to annoy you. My very presence accomplishes that with no effort whatsoever from me. Its a gift. :angel:

A_Skywalker
04-21-2007, 10:51 PM
:rolleyes: Nadal can't blitz anyone. Read Apemant post. :rolleyes:

Oh, may bad, he can only destroy which is better.

Andre'sNo1Fan
04-22-2007, 12:29 AM
Had to answer that.

Never predicted anything about Berdych dominating the moonballer, :retard:.

Of course. In the surfaces moonballing isn't worth anything he's a no-one.
Yeah :lol:

Because Nadal hasn't won Indian Wells, Madrid, Montreal and got to a Wimbeldon final. That's really a no-one, which is exactly what your favourite player is ;)

Apemant
04-22-2007, 09:37 AM
"Nadal" and "impressive tennis" go together as "Miami" and "polar night".

Umm, I'm not exactly a great fan of Nadal, but I really don't see why you dislike him that much. Yeah, he's mostly on the defense, and his gameplan is essentially very simple; but it's pretty much undeniable that his cobra-like counter-attack mostly in the form of his trademarked pinpoint-precise passing shot on the run - is the best on the tour (I don't actually remember anyone doing stuff like that so many times in a match, ever)

People are so goddamn afraid to come to the net playing against him; and it's not unwarranted. Given the number of times they've been passed like that, it's understandable they hesitate.

Black Adam
04-22-2007, 11:07 AM
:lol: on clay... :rolleyes:

That's so dumb. Just because your faves aren't good on the surface you have to diss the whole surface. Get over it coz the clay season is long and Nadal with his lame claycourt game will be kicking ass especially serve and volleyers whose games aren't cv for clay.

t0x
04-22-2007, 11:43 AM
Oh, may bad, he can only destroy which is better.

Nadal's game isn't to destroy his opponents, it's to wear them down mentally and physically so they destroy themselves. I suppose it's just the same, but it's not as if Nadal wins bagel sets by hitting 30 winners, it's errors from the opponent mostly. :rolleyes:

Todays match will mostly be in Federer's hands - his winners or errors determine most of the points in their encounters. Nadal's topspin to the BH certainly has given us some 70-odd error matches from Federer unfortunatley :(

Exodus
04-22-2007, 02:27 PM
after fed had 3 bp on nadal serve

Mimi
04-23-2007, 04:54 AM
:bowdown: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :yippee: