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Biggest choking moments

Malul
04-20-2007, 11:03 AM
I don't now if there are a thread for this then maybe time for a new one anyhow.

Write down your memories of the biggest chokes,my "favourite" is sadly Micke Pernfors-Jimmy Connors in R16 Wimbledon 1987.

Micke had 6-1 6-1 4-1(!) and lost,howabout that?:eek: :sad:

Kolya
04-20-2007, 11:06 AM
Medvedev v Agassi in the 1999 RG.

Loremaster
04-20-2007, 11:11 AM
Federer - Hewitt 2003 DC

shaggy
04-20-2007, 11:23 AM
ljubičić was up 6-4 6-4 5*-2 40-15 against wayne ferreira in AO 2002 and lost in 5.

laure xxx
04-20-2007, 11:32 AM
Coria is the first to spring to mind. French Open final 2004. That was his best, and probably only, chance to win a slam....and he won a set 6-0 and still managed to lose. I don't care if he was cramping, that's a masssive choke. :retard:

Dougie
04-20-2007, 11:35 AM
Goranīs choke against Rafter in the Wimbledon final. Ivanisevic did win it, but his last service game was something unbelievable....Glad he won it though!

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 01:20 PM
Write down your memories of the biggest chokes,my "favourite" is sadly Micke Pernfors-Jimmy Connors in R16 Wimbledon 1987.

Micke had 6-1 6-1 4-1(!) and lost,howabout that?:eek: :sad:

Very similar match at Roland Garros 2003:
Varlet served for the match at 6-1 6-1 5:2 against Nieminen and lost 6-1 6-1 6-7 2-6 4-6.
Also spectacular choke was in US Open 1993 in the 4th round. Well serving Jamie Morgan had 5:0 in the 5th set and lost to Masur 6-3 6-4 3-6 4-6 5-7.

Todd Martin on the Wimbledon's Central Court lost twice having double break in the fifth set (Washington, Agassi) what is also something special knowing how good service player was Martin.

Apemant
04-20-2007, 01:38 PM
ljubičić was up 6-4 6-4 5*-2 40-15 against wayne ferreira in AO 2002 and lost in 5.

OMG, this is hard to beat... 2 MPs on his own serve, and another break on top of it? Damn, that's one mighty impressive choke business.... :devil:

Julio1974
04-20-2007, 01:51 PM
Cañas in DC against Maurice Ruah.
Cañas was leading 6-3 6-3 5-0 and he lost 3-6/ 3-6 / 7-6 / 6-3 / 6-3

Sean.J.S.
04-20-2007, 02:01 PM
Roddick led 7-6(1) 5-3* 40-0 against Fernando Verdasco in Rome R3 2005. Verdasco then double faulted but Roddick said the serve was in so they replayed the point and Verdasco ended up winning 6-7(1) 7-6(3) 6-4.

For a start Roddick should have kept his mouth shut and won the match, but he should have won anyway as he had 5 MP (I think) in total. :tape:

Hammady
04-20-2007, 02:01 PM
Mathieu against Verdasco , AO 2007...
Mathieu was leading 2 sets to 0 , 3-0 in the third set's tie break .. and then he had and injury ..

Apemant
04-20-2007, 02:05 PM
Caņas in DC against Maurice Ruah.
Caņas was leading 6-3 6-3 5-0 and he lost 3-6/ 3-6 / 7-6 / 6-3 / 6-3

Jesus... where did he find his today's confidence?

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 02:08 PM
For a start Roddick should have kept his mouth shut and won the match, but he should have won anyway as he had 5 MP (I think) in total. :tape:

In my "Match points" thread is written 4 :p I can't be sure because I didn't see that match. Only read about it on Internet :D

Mateya
04-20-2007, 02:11 PM
Mathieu against Verdasco , AO 2007...
Mathieu was leading 2 sets to 0 , 3-0 in the third set's tie break .. and then he had and injury ..

Thats not a choke, you :retard:

Even when PHM didn´t choke, some people have to say he did. :rolleyes:

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 02:11 PM
I saw an interesting match in Nice 1994 (if we talk about "best of three chokes"). Agenor had led 6:1 in a deciding tie-break but Rosset saved 5 consecutive match points and won 6-4 3-6 7-6(6).

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 02:13 PM
Thats not a choke, you :retard:

Even when PHM didnīt choke, some people have to say he did. :rolleyes:

Yes, Mathieu choked many times (especially against Youzhny, Massu, Canas and Coria) but not in this case :D

Hammady
04-20-2007, 02:26 PM
Thats not a choke, you :retard:

Even when PHM didnīt choke, some people have to say he did. :rolleyes:


Sorry , I thought we were talking about choCs ... Because i was really sad when i saw this match ..

Andre♥
04-20-2007, 02:29 PM
This thread in WTA World would have 100 pages in each hour! :tape:

CmonAussie
04-20-2007, 02:36 PM
***
M Pernfors v P Cash [1986 Davis Cup Final~ SWE vs AUS]
...
>> Pernors led Cash 6-3, 6-3, 3-1... & Cash got over the line in 5-sets>> making AUS the Davis Cup champions that year!!!

croat123
04-20-2007, 02:39 PM
Roddick led 7-6(1) 5-3* 40-0 against Fernando Verdasco in Rome R3 2005. Verdasco then double faulted but Roddick said the serve was in so they replayed the point and Verdasco ended up winning 6-7(1) 7-6(3) 6-4.

For a start Roddick should have kept his mouth shut and won the match, but he should have won anyway as he had 5 MP (I think) in total. :tape:
it was clay. all he did was save the umpire a trip down from his chair :p

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 02:51 PM
it was clay. all he did was save the umpire a trip down from his chair :p

No no according to some Roddick fans, he should get some kind of humanitarian award for that act.

mecir72
04-20-2007, 02:54 PM
Very similar match at Roland Garros 2003:
Varlet served for the match at 6-1 6-1 5:2 against Nieminen and lost 6-1 6-1 6-7 2-6 4-6.

I remember this match. I believe Varlet had atleast one MP maybe more. I also remember someone on betfair laying a bet offering 1000:1 on Niemenen which someone took. So the bookmaker who tried to make 10 pounds but ended up losing 10000 punds probably also remember that match hehe.

GlennMirnyi
04-20-2007, 02:57 PM
Today Robin just showed us another great example: Leading 7/5 3/0, the toad loses 12 straight games to lose 3/6 0/6. Amazing.

Deathless Mortal
04-20-2007, 03:15 PM
This thread in WTA World would have 100 pages in each hour! :tape:

:haha: :yeah:

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 03:16 PM
Today Robin just showed us another great example: Leading 7/5 3/0, the toad loses 12 straight games to lose 3/6 0/6. Amazing.


:haha:

Andre♥
04-20-2007, 03:16 PM
:haha: :yeah:

Lisa Raymond won a match in RG 2003 after being down 0:6 0:5* 15-40!

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Deathless Mortal
04-20-2007, 03:19 PM
Lisa Raymond won a match in RG 2003 after being down 0:6 0:5* 15-40!

:haha: :haha: :haha:

Hey! I was looking to find that information, because i heard somebody was down 0-6, 0-5, and managed to win the match, but i didn't know who. Who did she beat?

Andre♥
04-20-2007, 03:22 PM
Hey! I was looking to find that information, because i heard somebody was down 0-6, 0-5, and managed to win the match, but i didn't know who. Who did she beat?

Actually it was in 2004.

RG Round 1: Lisa Raymond def Lubomira Kurhajcova 0:6 7:5 6:3

Malul
04-20-2007, 04:31 PM
amazing,don't wanna know the reason we never since than heard of the loosing lady,hope she is still alive:wavey:

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 05:22 PM
The biggest chokes of the last year come from Monte Carlo & Bucharest and the funny thing is that both matches ended with the same scores (1-6 7-6 6-4):
MC: Paul-Henri Mathieu was 6-1 5:1 up against Coria and lost in three sets wasting 4 match points in a route.
Bucharest: Waske led against Tursunov 6-1 5:2... At 5:3 (40-0) Waske had on his own serve these three consecutive match points :D

ChinoRios4Ever
04-20-2007, 10:24 PM
Gonzo vs Coria Miami SF 04 awful :sad:

Gonzo vs Gaudio TMC 05 :mad:

GlennMirnyi
04-20-2007, 10:27 PM
The biggest chokes of the last year come from Monte Carlo & Bucharest and the funny thing is that both matches ended with the same scores (1-6 7-6 6-4):
MC: Paul-Henri Mathieu was 6-1 5:1 up against Coria and lost in three sets wasting 4 match points in a route.
Bucharest: Waske led against Tursunov 6-1 5:2... At 5:3 (40-0) Waske had on his own serve these three consecutive match points :D

In fact, Waske had 6/1 5/1, then 5/2 40-0, then 5/4 40-0 and lost. ;)

ChinoRios4Ever
04-20-2007, 10:31 PM
Waske choke of the millenium

PHM vs Coria was incredible, Coria full of DF's and still won :eek:

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 10:33 PM
In fact, Waske had 6/1 5/1, then 5/2 40-0, then 5/4 40-0 and lost. ;)

Maybe, I didn't see this match. I've written about Waske's choke based on:

atptennis.com...

Waske was left to rue his missed chances. He led a set and 5-2 and at 5-3 in the second set had 40/0 on his serve to close out the match. Tursunov served for the match at 5-3 in the third set but was broken, but broke back in the next game to secure the win.

...and official Waske's webpage

Jedoch, als ich bei 5-3 eigenem Aufschlag und 40-0 den Volley auf die Linie setze, er den Ball mit dem Rahmen ins aus spielt, ruft der Linienrichter aus, und der Stuhlschiedsrichter laesst den Punkt wiederholen. Wie in einem schlechten Film nimmt das Drama seinen Lauf und ich verliere 6-7 4-6. Konnte gestern Nacht nicht vor 3.30 einschlafen, hab das Match noch 20 mal durchgespielt im Kopf, aber auch die Frustpizza hat die Laune nicht heben koennen.

GlennMirnyi
04-20-2007, 10:37 PM
Maybe, I didn't see this match. I've written about Waske's choke based on:

atptennis.com...

Waske was left to rue his missed chances. He led a set and 5-2 and at 5-3 in the second set had 40/0 on his serve to close out the match. Tursunov served for the match at 5-3 in the third set but was broken, but broke back in the next game to secure the win.

...and official Waske's webpage

Jedoch, als ich bei 5-3 eigenem Aufschlag und 40-0 den Volley auf die Linie setze, er den Ball mit dem Rahmen ins aus spielt, ruft der Linienrichter aus, und der Stuhlschiedsrichter laesst den Punkt wiederholen. Wie in einem schlechten Film nimmt das Drama seinen Lauf und ich verliere 6-7 4-6. Konnte gestern Nacht nicht vor 3.30 einschlafen, hab das Match noch 20 mal durchgespielt im Kopf, aber auch die Frustpizza hat die Laune nicht heben koennen.

I remember I was following this match closely because of TT. :p I remember my opponent even sent me congrats after it was 6/1 5/1. :lol: Maybe I'm mistaken, but I was following it really closely.

About the last part, no I don't read German. :p :sad:

Voo de Mar
04-20-2007, 10:42 PM
I remember I was following this match closely because of TT. :p I remember my opponent even sent me congrats after it was 6/1 5/1. :lol: Maybe I'm mistaken, but I was following it really closely.

About the last part, no I don't read German. :p :sad:

Hehehe I think this German message is clear even for those who don't know this language ;)
BTW I like the sentence -
"People say believe half of what you see
and none of what you hear" ;)

Sean.J.S.
04-21-2007, 06:02 AM
it was clay. all he did was save the umpire a trip down from his chair :p

The umpire had already called "Game Set Match" ...

Medina
04-21-2007, 08:06 AM
The umpire had already called "Game Set Match" ...

Poor Roddick

dijus
04-21-2007, 08:10 AM
The biggest chokes of the last year come from Monte Carlo & Bucharest and the funny thing is that both matches ended with the same scores (1-6 7-6 6-4):
MC: Paul-Henri Mathieu was 6-1 5:1 up against Coria and lost in three sets wasting 4 match points in a route.
Bucharest: Waske led against Tursunov 6-1 5:2... At 5:3 (40-0) Waske had on his own serve these three consecutive match points :D

Waske was leading 6-1 5-1 for sure ;)

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 08:10 AM
Saulnier leading Koubek 6-0 6-1 4-1 15-40 on Koubek's serve, had a mp in the 3rd set tiebreaker and had a break in the 5th and Koubek won the last 3 sets 7-6(6) 6-4 8-6.

Voo de Mar
04-21-2007, 09:18 AM
Saulnier leading Koubek 6-0 6-1 4-1 15-40 on Koubek's serve, had a mp in the 3rd set tiebreaker and had a break in the 5th and Koubek won the last 3 sets 7-6(6) 6-4 8-6.

That match was really amazing. Pernfors and Varlet choked less than Saulnier ;)

Voo de Mar
04-21-2007, 09:49 AM
A good choke in 1993 at Los Angeles. Stoltenberg was leading against Krajicek 6-1 3:0 had 5:2 in the tie-break, Krajicek won 1-6 7-6(5) 6-0.
Two Berg-Aussies (Stoltenberg, Fromberg) had many chokes in career...

Greg-Pete fan
04-24-2007, 02:15 PM
Krajicek lost a couple of tiebreaks when he was leading 6-0 (Siemerink, U.S. Open 1994) and 6-2 (Sampras, U.S. Open 2000)!

sawan66278
04-24-2007, 02:48 PM
How can we forget: Lendl, the number one player in the world and top seed, leading a cramping, crying, underhanding serving, inching up to the service line 17 year old Michael Chang (who had never even made the quarters of a major before) by two sets to love...only to lose in five sets on a double fault on match point:eek: :eek: :eek:

Klaas_nalbandian
04-24-2007, 02:57 PM
Roland Garros second round 2003

Horna vs. Verkerk 6-4 4-6 6-4 5-2 40-0 3mp, verkerk took the set 7-5 and then 6-2

Verkerk reached the final that year

Greg-Pete fan
04-25-2007, 06:59 PM
Woodbridge was leading 7-5 6-1 3-1 against Becker (and also had 4-2 in the fourth set)...

Becker won 5-7 1-6 6-4 6-4 6-4!

This match took place during Roland Garros 1991.

SwiSha
04-25-2007, 07:14 PM
Tomas Zib losing to Michael Kohlmann in St Pölten 2005 6-2 6-7(7) 4-6

he was up 6-2 5*-2 served for the match twice, was down 5*-6 00-40 actually saved all 3 Setpoins

in the Tb he had a 6-2 (4 Mps) lead and lost it

keqtqiadv
04-25-2007, 07:16 PM
Mello vs Hrbaty LA 2005 and Mello vs Murray Newport last year :p

dijus
04-25-2007, 07:18 PM
Tomas Zib losing to Michael Kohlmann in St Pölten 2005 6-2 6-7(7) 4-6

he was up 6-2 5*-2 served for the match twice, was down 5*-6 00-40 actually saved all 3 Setpoins

in the Tb he had a 6-2 (4 Mps) lead and lost it

:eek: (I hear it 1st time)
thx for that Swisha ;)

Action Jackson
04-25-2007, 07:22 PM
Calleri leading 6-2 5-1 against Massu in the Buenos Aires final and losing 2-6 7-6(5) 6-2.

Gaudio too many to name.

Horna leading PHM at the AO 5-2 with a double break in the first 2 sets and ended up losing 7-6 7-6 6-2.

Billabong
04-25-2007, 07:27 PM
Guga in Monte Carlo 2003 was up 6-1, 5-2 against Magnus Norman, and ended up losing that in pathetic fashion:o

PHM choked in RG 2002 against Agassi (4-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3), in Davis Cup 2002 against Youzhny (3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4), in 2003 Palermo against Massu (wasted 3 championship points), in 2004 US Open against Sargsian (wasted gazillion of opportunities and leads), against Canas in RG 2005 (wasted many match points) and against Coria in Monte Carlo 2006 (led 6-1, 5-1 and ended up losing that);)

Billabong
04-25-2007, 07:29 PM
I have to add Florent Serra's loss to Spadea in RG 2004, in which he wasted 9 match points before losing 9-7 in the 5th set:eek:

scarecrows
04-25-2007, 07:34 PM
MC: Paul-Henri Mathieu was 6-1 5:1 up against Coria and lost in three sets wasting 4 match points in a route.


that match was fun to watch in livescore

imagine those who watched it


and the PHM fans that watched it :tape:

keqtqiadv
04-25-2007, 07:38 PM
PHM choked in RG 2002 against Agassi (4-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3), in Davis Cup 2002 against Youzhny (3-6, 2-6, 6-3, 7-5, 6-4), in 2003 Palermo against Massu (wasted 3 championship points), in 2004 US Open against Sargsian (wasted gazillion of opportunities and leads), against Canas in RG 2005 (wasted many match points) and against Coria in Monte Carlo 2006 (led 6-1, 5-1 and ended up losing that);)
and in Miami 2007 against Murray :p

Hendu
04-25-2007, 07:39 PM
Calleri leading 6-2 5-1 against Massu in the Buenos Aires final and losing 2-6 7-6(5) 6-2.

That was a good choke, but nothing close to the one of Caņas against Venezuelan legend Maurice Ruah.

1999 Davis Cup, Argentina fighting with Venezuela in order to stay in the Americas Zone Group I.

It was Caņas second DC match, he was winning 6-3 6-3 5-0, and got two points away from victory. But lost 3-6 3-6 7-6(3) 6-3 6-3.

Blue Heart24
04-25-2007, 07:42 PM
PHM is a choking god :lol: :worship:

Soderling is also in his rank,that guy has some pretty amazing chokes

This year's choke against Ljubicic in Doha was a good one :yeah: (Mp at 5-3* up,*5-4 30-0 and lost 7-6)
Against Safin in Paris last year :mad:
etc,

Greg-Pete fan
04-26-2007, 05:30 PM
I read somewhere that Sergi Bruguera was leading 6-2 6-2 4-2 against Jonas Svensson and finally lost 6-2 6-2 4-6 4-6 0-6!!! (Roland Garros 1990 2nd round).

Greg-Pete fan
04-26-2007, 05:47 PM
Ivan Lendl lost to Bernd Karbacher 4-6 6-7(5) 0-1 ret during U.S. Open 1994 (2nd round). It was the last match for Ivan Lendl in his long and incredible career. In the second set Lendl was leading 5-0(!) In the middle of this set Lendl was injured and he wasted his big advantage unfortunately:( He retired after the first game of third set and it was his end.

nicole_s
04-26-2007, 05:56 PM
I have to add Florent Serra's loss to Spadea in RG 2004, in which he wasted 9 match points before losing 9-7 in the 5th set:eek:

9 match points :retard: :eek:

Greg-Pete fan
04-26-2007, 06:03 PM
9 match points :retard: :eek:

The same situation took place during Davis Cup 1995 semifinal between Russia and Germany. Andrei Chesnokov beat Michael Stich 6-4 1-6 1-6 6-3 14-12. In the final set Stich was serving for match at 7-6 and he wasted 9 match points! This match lasted 4 hours and 16 minutes.

Voo de Mar
04-26-2007, 06:22 PM
9 match points :retard: :eek:

Serra led 5:1 in the 5th set.

SushiMinimal
04-27-2007, 12:09 AM
I can understand a choke in tour match but in davis cup just can't

go back to DC final 2002, france - russia, fifth point, mathieu was leading 4-1 in the fifth set and youzhny came back to win 6-4 and win the match and get davis cup (for the first time) on french soil.

Speaking of mathieu I remember a choke of him in RG 2005 playing against caņas. He had 2 mp and finally went down 3-6 6-7(4) 6-2 7-6(5) 6-8

Hendu
04-27-2007, 03:06 AM
I can understand a choke in tour match but in davis cup just can't
go back to DC final 2002, france - russia, fifth point, mathieu was leading 4-1 in the fifth set and youzhny came back to win 6-4 and win the match and get davis cup (for the first time) on french soil.

Speaking of mathieu I remember a choke of him in RG 2005 playing against caņas. He had 2 mp and finally went down 3-6 6-7(4) 6-2 7-6(5) 6-8


There is much more pressure or at least a different kind of pressure in DC.

GlennMirnyi
04-27-2007, 03:11 AM
that match was fun to watch in livescore

imagine those who watched it


and the PHM fans that watched it :tape:

I watched it. It was funny, to say the least.

There is much more pressure or at least a different kind of pressure in DC.

Agreed. On tour at most you're disappointing yourself or your family, but when it comes to DC, you're disappointing a whole nation. Imagine that inside a player's head. :o

Hendu
04-27-2007, 03:15 AM
I watched it. It was funny, to say the least.



Agreed. On tour at most you're disappointing yourself or your family, but when it comes to DC, you're disappointing a whole nation. Imagine that inside a player's head. :o

Look at Zabaleta. The guy loves DC, always available to play and for trainings even if he is not part of the team. But he simply can't play, because he can't handle that kind of pressure.

Alonsofz
04-27-2007, 03:21 AM
Massú-Roitman, Viņa del Mar 2007... Roitman was leading 6-0, 5-2*, and he had 7 MP's, but he got injured in the TB and lost 6-0, 6-7(3), ret. :p

Mimi
04-27-2007, 03:32 AM
coria in 2004 FO final :sad:

Sean.J.S.
04-27-2007, 08:48 AM
In WTA Elena Likhovtseva led Mary Pierce 6-0 in the final set tiebreak (6 consecutive MP) in the Moscow QF in 2005 before losing the tiebreak 8-6. The final score was 7-5 4-6 7-6(6). :retard:

sharpeirob
04-27-2007, 09:08 AM
Actually it was in the SF

I think Elena realised she was about to get into the biggest final of her life in her home tournament and cracked under le pressure

Malul
04-27-2007, 11:45 AM
http://www.iht.com/articles/1995/06/05/nov.php


Facing a 19-year-old American, Chanda Rubin, Novotna led by 5-0, 40-0 on Rubin's serve in Saturday's final set. It is the biggest lead possible in a tennis set, but Novotna somehow managed to squander it, blowing nine match points before departing the tournament, 7-6 (10-8), 4-6, 8-6

3rd round RG-95 that was,quite impressive!

Voo de Mar
04-27-2007, 11:56 AM
Likhovtseva, Novotna... is here WTA forum? :aplot:

Byrd
04-27-2007, 12:00 PM
If we include WTA matches we may be here for a very long time....

Billabong
04-27-2007, 12:26 PM
yah, WTA has seen even bigger chokes, we wouldn't be able to tell them all;)

Malul
04-27-2007, 12:30 PM
oki same article above the one about Novotny also contains this:

"In truth, the only other human being to experience a collapse equivalent to Novotna's at the French Championships was American Budge Patty, who, in 1958, lost a fourth-round match to Robert Haillet of France after leading 5-0, 40-0 in the fifth set."

horrific feeling it must be loosing that way..

Sjengster
04-27-2007, 12:35 PM
I can understand a choke in tour match but in davis cup just can't

go back to DC final 2002, france - russia, fifth point, mathieu was leading 4-1 in the fifth set and youzhny came back to win 6-4 and win the match and get davis cup (for the first time) on french soil.

Speaking of mathieu I remember a choke of him in RG 2005 playing against cañas. He had 2 mp and finally went down 3-6 6-7(4) 6-2 7-6(5) 6-8

Actually Mathieu's only lead after he won the first two sets was in the fourth set, when he went up 4-2 but was broken straight back. He was two points from the match at 5-4 and deuce on Youzhny's serve, but he didn't get any closer than that.

There was already a precedent for that DC defeat in 2002, by the way. That year he had lost in the AO to Schuettler from two sets to one up, at the US Open to Gonzalez from two sets to one up, and most critically against Agassi at RG from two sets to love up; same surface, same city, same result.

That match he lost to Sargsian at the 2004 US Open was also somewhat baffling; the Sarge had beaten Massu in the previous round in 5 hours and 8 minutes, the second longest match in US Open history, and looked dead tired when he dropped the first two sets but somehow he was let back in and saved a couple of matchpoints in the fifth set, there was an amazing atmosphere in that stadium. Then he goes on to win 7-6 in the fifth, taking about 10 hours to win those two matches combined - no wonder he had nothing left in the tank against Agassi.

Voo de Mar
04-27-2007, 11:19 PM
I've reminded one of the biggest chokes "the best of three" in the 90s.
2nd round, Barcelona 1996: Schalken led against Albert Costa 7-6 5:0 and wasted 9 match points. Costa won 6-7(8) 7-6(7) 6-3.

Sjengster
04-27-2007, 11:33 PM
Thanks for that Voo... a worse one though, which I saw live and was worse because it was a much bigger match, was the QFs of Paris 2001 against Vinciguerra. Schalken was on an 8-match winning streak from Stockholm the previous week, had already knocked off Roddick and Kuerten in Bercy, then managed to blow a 6-2, 5-2 lead against the combative Swede. What made it funnier, though, was that Vinciguerra won the second set 7-6 and then went up 5-0 in the decider, only to lose the next five games in a row, and eventually won 2-6, 7-6, 7-6. Afterwards the Sky Sports presenter observed, "You need a psychologist to explain that match, not us, sorry."

Voo de Mar
04-27-2007, 11:46 PM
Thanks for that Voo... a worse one though, which I saw live and was worse because it was a much bigger match, was the QFs of Paris 2001 against Vinciguerra. Schalken was on an 8-match winning streak from Stockholm the previous week, had already knocked off Roddick and Kuerten in Bercy, then managed to blow a 6-2, 5-2 lead against the combative Swede. What made it funnier, though, was that Vinciguerra won the second set 7-6 and then went up 5-0 in the decider, only to lose the next five games in a row, and eventually won 2-6, 7-6, 7-6. Afterwards the Sky Sports presenter observed, "You need a psychologist to explain that match, not us, sorry."

I didn't see that match but process of action is extremely interesting. Sjeng against Costa lost a match from 5-0 up and against Vinciguerra had a great chance to win a match from 0-5 down. Moreover it was for Sjeng the last and the best chance to achieve semifinal of Masters Series. It's a little bit strange that player with Grand Slam semifinal on account never reached semifinal in Masters Series.

Sjengster
04-27-2007, 11:51 PM
Yes, he underachieved much more in the Masters Series than in the Slams ultimately, though he had a few more QFs there than I realised until I saw your list. I can't really complain about those umpteen close defeats at Wimbledon and elsewhere though, because he also had some pretty good comeback wins to make his QF and SF showings at the Slams. In 2002 he was down two sets to love in the opening round of the US Open against Philippoussis, fights back to win the third and then the Scud injures his knee badly in the fourth and has to retire.

Likewise at Wimbledon the following year he had a very narrow escape against Lapentti when he came back from two sets to one down, scraped through the fourth set in a tiebreak and then recovered from 1-3 down in the fifth to win it 6-3. He was also two sets to love down against the mighty Lars Burgsmuller at the US Open a few months later and came through that 6-0 in the fifth.

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 12:04 AM
Likewise at Wimbledon the following year he had a very narrow escape against Lapentti when he came back from two sets to one down, scraped through the fourth set in a tiebreak and then recovered from 1-3 down in the fifth to win it 6-3. He was also two sets to love down against the mighty Lars Burgsmuller at the US Open a few months later and came through that 6-0 in the fifth.

I think that tight victory over Lapentti is very valuable. If I remember well Lapentti led also 3:1 in the tie-break of the 4th set. IMO Nico Lapentti is one of the strongest mentally players. He has great 5-sets record and great record "MP saved"... actually the best from active players.
Sjeng lost many tight matches, he was a choker until that US Open 2002. His 5-set win over Gonzalez was great too (three tie-breaks). Generally Sjeng has bad 5-set record (9-14) but won the last 6 five-setters in career.

Sjengster
04-28-2007, 12:23 AM
Lapentti's certainly good over the long haul, you only have to look at how he made the quarters of Wimbledon the previous year in ridiculous fashion (won the first round against Delgado from 3-5 down in the fifth having been up two sets to love, beat Cowan in the second round from a set and a break down, beat Pavel in the third round from two sets to love down, beat Clement in the last 16 from two sets to one down.... then was down 4-6, 4-6, 1-4 with two breaks of serve to Nalbandian in the quarters, and finally loses 6-4 in the fifth!). That Schalken-Lapentti match had a very good atmosphere, it finished late in the evening on Court 1 and Schalken was pretty irritable, he got a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct in the third set and then I think got the benefit of a very bad call on breakpoint in the fifth set to get back on level terms.

Sheesh, that means at one stage his record was 3-14! That's worse than Gaudio's, another favourite of mine. Oh, why do I have to support the stylish chokers....

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 12:28 AM
Sheesh, that means at one stage his record was 3-14! That's worse than Gaudio's, another favourite of mine. Oh, why do I have to support the stylish chokers....

Schalken's case is a spark of hope for Blake that a player can turn around very bad 5-set record :D

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 12:30 AM
Lapentti's certainly good over the long haul, you only have to look at how he made the quarters of Wimbledon the previous year in ridiculous fashion (won the first round against Delgado from 3-5 down in the fifth having been up two sets to love).

Nico saved 4 match points in that match :)

Sjengster
04-28-2007, 12:31 AM
I find it hard to believe Blake will go his whole career without winning one five-setter, although a part of me wants him to lose just one more since he will then qualify as the player with the single worst five-set record in the Open Era with no wins and 10 defeats. At the moment he stands level with the mighty Markus Hipfl with a 0-9 record.

Sjengster
04-28-2007, 12:33 AM
Nico saved 4 match points in that match :)

Don't remind me.... that was the annual British choke, it's contractual that there has to be one every year by a wildcard against a much higher-ranked player. Actually, the last one I can clearly recall was Jonny Marray against Karol Beck in 2004, serving for the match twice in the fifth set before losing it 10-8.

Johnny Groove
04-28-2007, 12:33 AM
I find it hard to believe Blake will go his whole career without winning one five-setter, although a part of me wants him to lose just one more since he will then qualify as the player with the single worst five-set record in the Open Era with no wins and 10 defeats. At the moment he stands level with the mighty Markus Hipfl with a 0-9 record.

True, it would be a shame should he not win a 5-setter. But it would be great if it comes down to a 5th set match in the DC final 5th rubber against Safin, so he can consolidate his first 5 set win.

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 12:40 AM
Sheesh, that means at one stage his record was 3-14! That's worse than Gaudio's, another favourite of mine. Oh, why do I have to support the stylish chokers....

No. Sorry, it was my mistake. I've counted his 5-set record once again - it's 12-14. At one stage was 2-9. It's confusing because on tenniscorner.net 5-set record contains many errors. The best way is to count on your own :)

Sjengster
04-28-2007, 12:43 AM
Ah well, that puts things in a different light. 2-9 is still pretty bad, mind you.... now I come to think of it, there was another five-set comeback when Schalken made his third Wimbledon QF in a row in 2004. He beat Enqvist in the third round 5-7, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6 (10-8), 6-2, and he must have saved matchpoints in that tiebreak, but I didn't watch as I thought it was already over. Schalken got the trainer out in the middle of the tiebreak and looked on the verge of retirement due to a back injury, and the commentators were starting to say what a shame it was, and then when I put it back on they were two sets all and he was running away with the decider. Hmm, calling the trainer in a tiebreak really isn't on, even if it wasn't cramps.

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 12:47 AM
He beat Enqvist in the third round 5-7, 6-2, 3-6, 7-6 (10-8), 6-2, and he must have saved matchpoints in that tiebreak

Saved two match points. Another big win although Enqvist wasn't good 5-setter.

v__m
04-28-2007, 12:53 AM
Biggest choking moments ?!

date of Paul henri-mathieu has born....

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 01:10 AM
I think the biggest Schalken's win come from Davis Cup against Wawrinka. Point at issue: how many match points Schalken saved, 4 or 5? :D

info from daviscup.com
The fifth set of the match between the number ones was a nailbiter. Wawrinka, who had come back from two sets to one down, took a 4-1 lead with a double break and then had four match points on his serve at 5-4. Several times the Swiss supporters wanted to celebrate the win. Once, when a linesman called out a ball from Schalken on matchpoint, the decision was overruled by chair * umpire Enric Molina. On the fourth matchpoint, Wawrinka was approaching the net in a commanding position but somehow Schalken managed to pass him with an incredible backhand slice shot from way behind the baseline. At 5-6, it was the Swiss who save two match points and at 7-6, he again served for the match but with empty batteries. After 241 minutes, a wide Wawrinka forehand sealed the tie. "It could have gone either way but the key for me was my ability to fight", Schalken said after his second full-distance win of the weekend.

* That match point was repeated. So Schalken had been saving twice the same MP :D

Frederick16
04-28-2007, 09:08 AM
i still dont know what davide was doing against Nieminen last year at Toronto... how many matchpoints did he waste?? :eek:

Voo de Mar
04-28-2007, 09:23 AM
i still dont know what davide was doing against Nieminen last year at Toronto... how many matchpoints did he waste?? :eek:

5 - "only" a half way to the world's record ;)

Frederick16
04-28-2007, 09:25 AM
5 - "only" a half way to the world's record ;)

and a 5 3 lead or something if i am correct.. i was killing myself behind the livescoring tool!!

ChinoRios4Ever
04-28-2007, 05:58 PM
Ramirez Hidalgo vs Montañes today...

Action Jackson
04-28-2007, 06:04 PM
Andreas Seppi against Rainer Schüttler 6-3 and was serving for it at 5-3 or 5-4 for memory and then it got into the tiebreaker and he had 10 match points and lost the TB 15-13 and then ended up losing the last set 6-0

jocaputs
04-29-2007, 12:47 AM
biggest choke by a country mile: Borg-Tanner 1979 wimbledon final, Borg serving down 3-4 and at 15-40 in the 5th. First, a forehand down the line passing by Tanner goes out by an inch. then, he missed an easy volley. lost 7-6, 1-6, 6-3, 3-6, 4-6