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Berdych will beat Nadal in the Semis

oschemi
04-19-2007, 05:56 PM
Do not be deceived by the score line in Nadal's last two matches. His first serve is too predictable and second serve is weak and attackable. It was too bad that Vliegen could not take advantage. A player like Berdych who almost beat Nadal in Bastad in 2005 will be able to attack those serves and punish the second serves. Mark my words, Berdych will end the streak. My 2 cents.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-19-2007, 06:00 PM
:haha:

Adler
04-19-2007, 06:01 PM
hmm... I don't think so. Berdych looked hopeless in 1st set against Robredo today, who's much worde player than Nadal. Bold prediction anyway

Kitty de Sade
04-19-2007, 06:04 PM
Umm...not sold on that really. Tomas would have to play quite an amazing match to take down Rafa on clay. Hard courts are one thing, but ending a 64 match winning streak? Still sounds a bit ambitious.

betterthanhenman
04-19-2007, 06:08 PM
TB will struggle to beat Soderling.

Allez
04-19-2007, 06:09 PM
The thread starter must be a Nadal fan wanting to lower expectations :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
04-19-2007, 06:13 PM
The thread starter must be a Nadal fan wanting to lower expectations :rolleyes:

An obvious jinx attempt! ;)

As for the statement: after what I've seen Raf doing today, I'd say NO WAY.
Birdy will have to beat Soderling first - and he has a special talent to be missing-in-action at times. First set against Robredo today? :rolleyes:

rofe
04-19-2007, 06:14 PM
Let Birdman get past Soderling first.

Metis
04-19-2007, 06:21 PM
An obvious jinx attempt! ;)

As for the statement: after what I've seen Raf doing today, I'd say NO WAY.
Birdy will have to beat Soderling first - and he has a special talent to be missing-in-action at times. First set against Robredo today? :rolleyes:

Don't look at me! I am not responsible for this. Now, I don't know what kind of promises cmurray made to oschemi... :devil:

:lol:

tcorinna
04-19-2007, 06:21 PM
Even if Berdych is able to beat Nadal on hard ... this is clay ... and Nadal is very good on clay ... I don't think Berd can beat Nadal ... not here anyway

richie21
04-19-2007, 06:23 PM
Even if Berdych is able to beat Nadal on hard ... this is clay ... and Nadal is very good on clay ... I don't think Berd can beat Nadal ... not here anyway


that's an euphemism

Merton
04-19-2007, 06:23 PM
TB will struggle to beat Soderling.

Agree

FSRteam
04-19-2007, 06:30 PM
:lol:

rafa will just take the title as he did the last 2 years! Even more easily seeing his level of play!!! The bird will be shot down by the frog anyway...

Right now nobody is able to beat rafa, he is just too good on clay...

Bilbo
04-19-2007, 06:33 PM
some of you still think berdych is the real deal, eh?

he won't beat nadal

tcorinna
04-19-2007, 06:34 PM
that's an euphemism

why do you say that?:confused:

LilyRoseAva
04-19-2007, 06:37 PM
remember the final bastad in 2005
it was very difficult for nadal 2-6, 6-2, 6-4

Sunset of Age
04-19-2007, 06:37 PM
Don't look at me! I am not responsible for this. Now, I don't know what kind of promises cmurray made to oschemi... :devil:

:lol:

Oh, I soooo know it's you... :devil: :p

Rogiman
04-19-2007, 06:39 PM
If they happen to meet I'd say Nadal wins in a tough match.

mashamaniac
04-19-2007, 06:41 PM
i guess the thread starter has to show up himself to a doctor ASAP!!! when someone doesn't know anything about something in particular,(s)he is not forced to say anything! i wish he had at least watched a little of berdych-robredo match today!!!

Loremaster
04-19-2007, 06:45 PM
Chances for Berdych to beat Nadal in Monte Carlo are as great as chances of Mirka becoming new Miss World

richie21
04-19-2007, 06:52 PM
why do you say that?:confused:


well,you said he was very good on clay.....i would more say that he is exceptionnal.:o

shaggy
04-19-2007, 06:53 PM
i wish, but nadal in easy 2 sets. even soderling will be the problem tommorow.

richie21
04-19-2007, 06:54 PM
remember the final bastad in 2005
it was very difficult for nadal 2-6, 6-2, 6-4

in 2005, a lot of players ran Nadal close on clay or even beat him (Andreev,Gasquet,Coria) but we all know that he has improved since then.

thegre8w0n
04-19-2007, 06:57 PM
Nadal will win on clay. Only person that will beat Nadal on clay is Federer or if someone can get him early in a tournament. If he wins this week he can lose early in Barcelona.

mashamaniac
04-19-2007, 06:58 PM
Chances for Berdych to beat Nadal in Monte Carlo are as great as chances of Mirka becoming new Miss World

exactly!:worship: she's a little far from that feat though...:wavey: (just kidding!)

mashamaniac
04-19-2007, 07:00 PM
Nadal will win on clay. Only person that will beat Nadal on clay is Federer or if someone can get him early in a tournament. If he wins this week he can lose early in Barcelona.

are you serious??:confused: or maybe you're just anti-mats??

LilyRoseAva
04-19-2007, 07:36 PM
in 2005, a lot of players ran Nadal close on clay or even beat him (Andreev,Gasquet,Coria) but we all know that he has improved since then.

tomas is not the same player too now

D Optimist
04-19-2007, 07:45 PM
No way !

yana
04-19-2007, 07:48 PM
Do not be deceived by the score line in Nadal's last two matches. His first serve is too predictable and second serve is weak and attackable. It was too bad that Vliegen could not take advantage. A player like Berdych who almost beat Nadal in Bastad in 2005 will be able to attack those serves and punish the second serves. Mark my words, Berdych will end the streak. My 2 cents.

Oh, please, don't say that!! :scared: :sad:

P.S: I marked your words...:D

jazar
04-19-2007, 07:55 PM
i dont think so at this early stage of the clay season, when nadal seems in stunning form and berdych isnt quite peaking yet. maybe if they meet at RG tomas has more of a chance

ycpg
04-19-2007, 08:05 PM
Only federer can beat nadal on Clay.

t0x
04-19-2007, 08:10 PM
Berdych does pose Rafa a lot of troubles...

BUT this is clay, and so far this season, Berdych hasn't shown up.

However a top-form Berdych would definatley run Rafa close and would have a chance. I think some of you are unestimating his chances (although, he is playing crap so far this year so I can see why lol...)...

CyBorg
04-19-2007, 08:32 PM
A matchup I would love to see.

ChinoRios4Ever
04-19-2007, 08:38 PM
i'd like to see Nadal-Berdych on saturday

shotgun
04-19-2007, 09:10 PM
in 2005, a lot of players ran Nadal close on clay or even beat him (Andreev,Gasquet,Coria) but we all know that he has improved since then.

I disagree. He reached his peak on the surface in 2005, and he's still at the top.

cmurray
04-19-2007, 09:16 PM
Don't look at me! I am not responsible for this. Now, I don't know what kind of promises cmurray made to oschemi... :devil:

:lol:

Hey, is it my fault that they keep falling for it? Fish in a barrel, my dear Metis. Fish in a barrel.

GO BERDY! :worship:

Oh, and thanks oschemi. :kiss:

connectolove
04-19-2007, 09:19 PM
somebody perform a yu-yu on BERDYCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE HAS TO FALL ILL NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

guga2120
04-19-2007, 09:24 PM
Only federer can beat nadal on Clay.

I think there are a couple of other players that have a very small chance, but Federer is the one guy that could just go out there and Nadal being playing well and still beat him.

Pfloyd
04-19-2007, 09:43 PM
I disagree. He reached his peak on the surface in 2005, and he's still at the top.

I disagree. I think If Nadal now played 2005 Nadal on clay, this Nadal would win.

His game has improved, albeit subtle-y in certain areas.

pitris
04-19-2007, 09:50 PM
I think dumper man is MC winner.Berdych seems to be better than was( DC ).He will reach semi,but after... clean for Nadal imo

adee-gee
04-19-2007, 09:51 PM
:lol:

A match with Berdych would certainly get my juices flowing :)

TomasandLucie
04-19-2007, 10:11 PM
I just hope that berdych gets to the semis
because this would be a great match to watch

shotgun
04-19-2007, 10:19 PM
I disagree. I think If Nadal now played 2005 Nadal on clay, this Nadal would win.

His game has improved, albeit subtle-y in certain areas.

I think it's too early to say something like that, when he has only played two matches on the surface this year, against players that were never likely to trouble him in the first place.

Allure
04-19-2007, 10:20 PM
LOL! We can all hope;)

CyBorg
04-19-2007, 11:13 PM
I think it's too early to say something like that, when he has only played two matches on the surface this year, against players that were never likely to trouble him in the first place.

It makes more sense than saying that he reached his peak at 18.
:rolleyes:

The Freak
04-19-2007, 11:14 PM
Do not be deceived by the score line in Nadal's last two matches. His first serve is too predictable and second serve is weak and attackable. It was too bad that Vliegen could not take advantage. A player like Berdych who almost beat Nadal in Bastad in 2005 will be able to attack those serves and punish the second serves. Mark my words, Berdych will end the streak. My 2 cents.

Nobody is beating Nadal on clay, he is too good on the surface.

RickDaStick
04-19-2007, 11:19 PM
Nobody is beating Nadal on clay, he is too good on the surface.


You have no credibilty when it comes to predicting tennis. You said a few days ago Monfils will beat Ljubo in the 2nd round yet the mug didnt even win a game vs the clay court king Stepanek.

leng jai
04-19-2007, 11:29 PM
More often than not the predicitions on this board are wrong. Maybe its because the retards keep making the predictions...

kobulingam
04-20-2007, 12:59 AM
I think Berdych has a decent chance if he met Nadal on a hot, dry day (fast clay).

If the clay is slow, Nadal will win easily.

Sean.J.S.
04-20-2007, 01:58 AM
Go Tomas. :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
04-20-2007, 02:03 AM
I disagree. He reached his peak on the surface in 2005, and he's still at the top.

True.

It makes more sense than saying that he reached his peak at 18.
:rolleyes:

:silly: players peak at different times.

GlennMirnyi
04-20-2007, 02:05 AM
More often than not the predicitions on this board are wrong. Maybe its because the retards keep making the predictions...

Well, the guy has MONFILS in his avatar. That pretty much paints the whole picture for you.

tripb19
04-20-2007, 02:13 AM
No chance. Nadal will wipe the Dych off the clay.

Marek.
04-20-2007, 02:19 AM
I think Berdych would have to play very well and Nadal make a lot of stupid errors. I think Nadal would win in three sets IF they both make it to the semis.

Action Jackson
04-20-2007, 06:16 AM
Berdych Bandwagon month has begun again.

trixtah
04-20-2007, 07:16 AM
I disagree. I think If Nadal now played 2005 Nadal on clay, this Nadal would win.

His game has improved, albeit subtle-y in certain areas.

that would be a very interesting match, to say the least. Two identical Nadal's on the same tennis court, both picking their respective famous asses. I'm not sure how you can compare Nadal with his 2005 self--there are a lot of things he's improved on even though his form may have faltered a bit. I think Rafa will continue his rampage on clay though...

RonE
04-20-2007, 07:23 AM
Another lame attempt to do the 'anti-jinx' :zzz:

safine
04-20-2007, 10:15 AM
TB will struggle to beat Soderling.

He is struggling. :devil:

sigmagirl91
04-20-2007, 10:23 AM
He is struggling. :devil:

And mightily.

Forehander
04-20-2007, 10:35 AM
Berdych reminds me of the young version of Safin a bit. He's highly talented but I don't think he will match Nadal on clay. Atleast not for now. Friggin Nadal's game on clay is perfect O_O

martine2
04-20-2007, 12:05 PM
Rafa, don' do this to me huh. BEAT that Berdych!!!

Mateya
04-20-2007, 12:20 PM
Why not having a great laugh on my 500th post...

:haha: :rolls: :lol:
:retard:

shotgun
04-20-2007, 01:16 PM
It makes more sense than saying that he reached his peak at 18.
:rolleyes:

19, but yeah, many players peak at a young age.

The_Nadal_effect
04-20-2007, 02:00 PM
I seriously hope Rafa plays his best tennis because Berdych in no choker.

CyBorg
04-20-2007, 05:26 PM
:silly: players peak at different times.

Well, tell me something I don't know.:p

CyBorg
04-20-2007, 05:32 PM
19, but yeah, many players peak at a young age.

Name me grand slam winner who reached his peak at 18.

There isn't one. Nadal was not better in 2005 than he was in 2006 or than he is now.

R.Federer
04-20-2007, 05:39 PM
Name me grand slam winner who reached his peak at 18.


There isn't one. Nadal was not better in 2005 than he was in 2006 or than he is now.

Don't you think Michael Chang fits the bill?

shotgun
04-20-2007, 05:45 PM
Name me grand slam winner who reached his peak at 18.

There isn't one. Nadal was not better in 2005 than he was in 2006 or than he is now.

Chang reached at 17. Hewitt around 20. Coria, around 21.

He wasn't better, I never said that. But to try to discredit players who beat him or gave him a tough time on clay in 2005 is too much. It's like a Federer fan trying to take away the credit of players who beat him in 2004 or 2005.

RonE
04-20-2007, 05:50 PM
Chang reached at 17. Hewitt around 20. Coria, around 21.

He wasn't better, I never said that. But to try to discredit players who beat him or gave him a tough time on clay in 2005 is too much. It's like a Federer fan trying to take away the credit of players who beat him in 2004 or 2005.

Yes but you know the rule- when a Fed fan does it it is the ultimate blasphemy and said fan must be met with the strongest of reprisals and damnations.

But when a Rafa fan does it, well it is ok and perfectly acceptable :shrug:

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 05:54 PM
Yes but you know the rule- when a Fed fan does it it is the ultimate blasphemy and said fan must be met with the strongest of reprisals and damnations.

But when a Rafa fan does it, well it is ok and perfectly acceptable

RonE even you know that Rafa has improved from 2005 to 2007.

RonE
04-20-2007, 05:58 PM
RonE even you know that Rafa has improved from 2005 to 2007.

Unlike some other blind fanboys I am perfectly aware of that.

My point was aimed at the double standards on MTF and without mentioning any names you know damn well what I am talking about ;)

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 06:01 PM
Unlike some other blind fanboys I am perfectly aware of that.

My point was aimed at the double standards on MTF and without mentioning any names you know damn well what I am talking about

Double standards are a part of life.
P.S. By blind fanboy - do you mean me or Glenn :D

RonE
04-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Double standards are a part of life.
P.S. By blind fanboy - do you mean me or Glenn :D

As I said I am not mentioning any names you figure it out for yourself ;)

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 06:11 PM
As I said I am not mentioning any names you figure it out for yourself ;)

RFK cant figure out 1 + 1 so i wouldnt expect him to figure this one out.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 06:13 PM
RFK cant figure out 1 + 1 so i wouldnt expect him to figure this one out.

The answer is 2 for normal people, but for Lluboho fans its 0. Everything in their lives ends up as nothing like their joke of a hero :wavey:

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 06:14 PM
The answer is 2 for normal people, but for Lluboho fans its 0. Everything in their lives ends up as nothing like their joke of a hero :wavey:

WOW! I am impressed. Lets move on to something harder for you. How about 2 + 2?

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 06:15 PM
WOW! I am impressed. Lets move on to something harder for you. How about 2 + 2?

4 for normal people, still 0 for Lluboho fans.

Mistaflava
04-20-2007, 06:15 PM
what stupid thread...does this ever stop. Do MTF mods ever control this shit?

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 06:16 PM
4 for normal people, still 0 for Lluboho fans.

Pretty good spartan boy. Perhaps you should go see an advisor and they will let you skip 2nd grade math and you can move on straight to 3rd.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 06:16 PM
what stupid thread...does this ever stop. Do MTF mods ever control this shit?

Dont be as dumb as a Lluboho fan.

Pretty good spartan boy. Perhaps you should go see an advisor and they will let you skip 2nd grade math and you can move on straight to 3rd.

I am far smarter than some Lluboho fan.

Mistaflava
04-20-2007, 06:17 PM
Dont be as dumb as a Lluboho fan.



I am far smarter than some Lluboho fan.




shut up you fuckin freak...

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 06:18 PM
shut up you fuckin freak...

Make me you Beckham loving clown.

Mistaflava
04-20-2007, 06:21 PM
Make me you Beckham loving clown.


Lashondra...


:haha:

CyBorg
04-20-2007, 07:13 PM
Chang reached at 17. Hewitt around 20. Coria, around 21.

He wasn't better, I never said that. But to try to discredit players who beat him or gave him a tough time on clay in 2005 is too much. It's like a Federer fan trying to take away the credit of players who beat him in 2004 or 2005.

Chang didn't reach his peak at 17. He won his only slam title - true, but it was almost by virtue of divine intervention.

Anyone who watched Chang at all knows that he was at his best between 20-25. He was particularly fantastic in the mid-90s, but competition got a lot stronger and he lost some finals.

Burning out in the early 20s is much more common for clay courters, so there you are not wrong. Nadal, however, is still 20. He may be at his clay peak at this moment.

He wasn't at any kind of peak at 18. That's simply stupid.

CyBorg
04-20-2007, 07:15 PM
Don't you think Michael Chang fits the bill?

No. Dig up some tapes of the game and watch him play.

No player worth giving a damn about reached his peak at 18. The closest great player to being at his peak in his teenage years is probably Becker. But his real peak was in 1989 (Wimbledon + US Open + Davis Cup where he played marvellous tennis). He was around 22 at the time.

Another name worth mentioning is Medvedev, but he never reached a peak. He got good in '94 (19-20-ish) and then lost all of his passion.

shotgun
04-20-2007, 07:33 PM
Burning out in the early 20s is much more common for clay courters, so there you are not wrong. Nadal, however, is still 20. He may be at his clay peak at this moment.

He wasn't at any kind of peak at 18. That's simply stupid.

I repeat - on clay, he peaked by spring 2005 and still remains at this peak. Any slight improvement he had in his game isn't very relevant as the game and the other players have moved on as well. His dominance on the surface hasn't increased, or do you want to argue that point too?

PS: I will not get into a deep discussion about Chang as I didn't follow tennis that closely back then, but of course if you purely consider his results there isn't much to suggest his career had a normal rise-and-fall path.

R.Federer
04-20-2007, 07:37 PM
Chang didn't reach his peak at 17. He won his only slam title - true, but it was almost by virtue of divine intervention.

Anyone who watched Chang at all knows that he was at his best between 20-25. He was particularly fantastic in the mid-90s, but competition got a lot stronger and he lost some finals.



No player worth giving a damn about reached his peak at 18. The closest great player to being at his peak in his teenage years is probably Becker. But his real peak was in 1989 (Wimbledon + US Open + Davis Cup where he played marvellous tennis). He was around 22 at the time.


There are two separate, but related, aspects here -- what do you mean by peak? Is it best playing ability or best result? They are two different things but very difficult to separate.

You say that Chang was at his peak in the mid-90s but competition was stronger, I mean, how do you prove that it was because of the competition or because he was below his peak that he did not win those Finals? You cannot tell that definitively, it is just a matter of opinion. Beating Lendl and Edberg in Paris, is that not competition? Yet you relegate that to "divine intervention" to argue your point.

I think he was at his peak in his late teens. His legs were relatively fresh despite years of junior tennis, and his playing style only contributed to his demise earlier. His weapons were his feet (his brain also).

CyBorg
04-20-2007, 11:01 PM
I repeat - on clay, he peaked by spring 2005 and still remains at this peak. Any slight improvement he had in his game isn't very relevant as the game and the other players have moved on as well. His dominance on the surface hasn't increased, or do you want to argue that point too?

It has definitely increased. Rafa's serving is significantly better. His groundstrokes are harder. He is even volleying now.

CyBorg
04-20-2007, 11:05 PM
There are two separate, but related, aspects here -- what do you mean by peak? Is it best playing ability or best result? They are two different things but very difficult to separate.

Peak is playing ability. Results can be part-and-parcel with being at peak performance. Not always.

You say that Chang was at his peak in the mid-90s but competition was stronger, I mean, how do you prove that it was because of the competition or because he was below his peak that he did not win those Finals? You cannot tell that definitively, it is just a matter of opinion. Beating Lendl and Edberg in Paris, is that not competition? Yet you relegate that to "divine intervention" to argue your point.

By watching Chang play. I saw his matches at that French Open and I saw his matches in later years. He was a boy in '89 who surprised opponents and was quite lucky to boot. Lendl wasn't the same on clay in '89. Edberg was never a great clay player. Fast forward to the mid 90s and you have Muster on clay and Sampras everywhere else.

I think he was at his peak in his late teens. His legs were relatively fresh despite years of junior tennis, and his playing style only contributed to his demise earlier. His weapons were his feet (his brain also).

The closest Chang got to peaking in his teens was at 19. Certainly not at 18 and most definitely not at 17.

Merton
04-20-2007, 11:40 PM
I disagree. He reached his peak on the surface in 2005, and he's still at the top.

Nadal has improved his backhand relative to 2005, he was running around it much less frequently last year than in 2005.

NYCtennisfan
04-21-2007, 12:27 AM
There are two separate, but related, aspects here -- what do you mean by peak? Is it best playing ability or best result? They are two different things but very difficult to separate.

You say that Chang was at his peak in the mid-90s but competition was stronger, I mean, how do you prove that it was because of the competition or because he was below his peak that he did not win those Finals? You cannot tell that definitively, it is just a matter of opinion. Beating Lendl and Edberg in Paris, is that not competition? Yet you relegate that to "divine intervention" to argue your point.

I think he was at his peak in his late teens. His legs were relatively fresh despite years of junior tennis, and his playing style only contributed to his demise earlier. His weapons were his feet (his brain also).

Chang was at his peak in the mid-90's. He had a way better serve, better FH, better BH, way better volleys AND he got to #2 in the world. There was just no way in hell he was going to beat Sampras so #2 was as far as he was going to get.

LilyRoseAva
04-21-2007, 01:20 AM
ive just read the interview of tomas

Q. We don't now a great deal about you. Do you prefer perhaps to be a little quieter, not in the limelight, rather than be in the headlines? You seem like a quiet, shy kind of person.
TOMAS BERDYCH: It depends. So maybe Djokovic or some other guys and then also it's like other part of the guys, maybe me and some other. But also it depends maybe when you have Murray that everybody makes like something big around him and he's got this coach and, you know, he's from England.

Q. Scotland.
TOMAS BERDYCH: Sorry.

Q. Big difference.
TOMAS BERDYCH: Yeah. So they are making so big things around him. Depends also on the country and everything.


http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=19523)

england scotland :rolleyes:

jayjay
04-21-2007, 02:11 PM
Happy eating, Tomas.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4474/bagelrf5.jpg

RonE
04-21-2007, 02:22 PM
Well the jinx worked even though the thread was started by a pork dork. Not that this match needed any jinxing anyway :rolleyes:

Metis
04-21-2007, 02:28 PM
Well the jinx worked even though the thread was started by a pork dork. Not that this match needed any jinxing anyway :rolleyes:

Don't lose hope Ron, it's not over yet. Tomas is starting to play better. :hug:

RonE
04-21-2007, 02:30 PM
Don't lose hope Ron, it's not over yet. Tomas is starting to play better. :hug:

Bah. :ras:

W!MBLEDON
04-21-2007, 02:44 PM
BERDY 0 4
NADAL 6 3 *

GlennMirnyi
04-21-2007, 02:46 PM
There is a scores thread elsewhere, this is GM, it's not to discuss or present scores.