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The bitch, moan, whine about the clay season thread

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RonE
04-19-2007, 05:23 AM
I don't know about the rest of you but I for one cannot wait for the clay season every year to be over.

If you feel the same way this is the place for you to air your grievances and let off steam about whatever pisses you off about the clay. From the ugly grinding style to the massive spike in stupidity on GM during this time (yes, it is hard to believe GM can get any more retarded than it already is and then suddenly the clay season arrives!)

If you are a fan of the clay please don't take any offense this is all in good fun- but please don't dish out any either. This thread is supposed to be a sanctuary for us sinners who dare to air our displeasure with the clay.

That being said, clay hatas of GM it is time we unite! :p

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 05:26 AM
Well, I'd say it sucks, but when I see Max proving S&V can be done on any surface, I just can't be all hate about it. :p

That said, the clay season sucks. :p

DONADANG
04-19-2007, 05:28 AM
It sucks when I can't see the ball.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 05:28 AM
RonE, just remember there are more than enough grass haters and as long as you don't whine about that when the time comes around, then cool.

But, I agree the clay clowns tend to congregate in GM, some of them have less clue than Srichaphan on clay.

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bokehlicious
04-19-2007, 06:14 AM
Clay sucks ! Nice thread Ron :yeah:

leng jai
04-19-2007, 06:21 AM
Tell me about it. RG isn't even on free to air TV over here.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 06:22 AM
Tell me about it. RG isn't even on free to air TV over here.

Hewitt and the commentators are the only Aussies that make the 2nd week there.

leng jai
04-19-2007, 06:27 AM
Chris Guccione will challenge this year, and we won't even be able to see it.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 06:30 AM
Chris Guccione will challenge this year, and we won't even be able to see it.

Hahahahahaha. He only does well at altitude on clay.

bad gambler
04-19-2007, 06:32 AM
I guess I may as well get into the spirit of this thread

CLAY IS FOR POTTERY!!!!

Loftra
04-19-2007, 06:33 AM
It is my less favourite time of the year cause the clay matches (or the matches between "clay specialists") tend to be very wta-like with poor serving and defensive play.

Mimi
04-19-2007, 06:33 AM
:woohoo: :dance: :yippee: I love clay

leng jai
04-19-2007, 06:36 AM
Hewitt and the commentators are the only Aussies that make the 2nd week there.

Now that i think about it, if you go by that theory, there would be no tennis on free to air TV at all here.

Clara Bow
04-19-2007, 06:39 AM
Frankly- the only thing that annoys me about the clay season is all of the bitching about the clay season and how it is not real tennis, doesn't require talent blah blah blah. I have always liked clay since a tot- and have noticed that there is always a snobbery about it from those who do not like the surface that you don't see for folks who say, don't like indoor. And it has always bugged me about how the term 3rd world is brought in a lot. There is a real classicm/elitism when damning clay that you don't see when damning other surfaces.

But I guess that fits in with this thread though Ron- because you asked about our grievances. :p

Adler
04-19-2007, 06:39 AM
I used to dislike clay just because the matches were too long and I had to do my homework instead of watching more. Secondly, endless rallies between mediocre players finished with unfoced errors what reminds me WTA matches (and I finished watching them long time ago, when really good women had quit)

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 06:41 AM
Now that i think about it, if you go by that theory, there would be no tennis on free to air TV at all here.

If you want me to record anything specific, then let me know as I am able to watch it.

Actually I have a gripe. Fox Sports doesn't have interactive which means these clowns will show too many womens matches at RG which are just an excuse to crack open beer and make some food. There should be interactive, so I can not have to put up with WTA matches.

leng jai
04-19-2007, 06:44 AM
Thanks. Though I doubt it, the only players I really go out of my way to watch are Safin, Haas, Ferrero. These guys are playing clown tennis at the moment, though ferrero not so much.

RonE
04-19-2007, 07:16 AM
RonE, just remember there are more than enough grass haters and as long as you don't whine about that when the time comes around, then cool.

But, I agree the clay clowns tend to congregate in GM, some of them have less clue than Srichaphan on clay.

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You are more than free to create your own "1001 Reasons why I hate Grass" thread when the time comes.

Only thing you have to remember is there wll be a lot less posts in that thread seeing as the grass season is considerably shorter :p

leng jai
04-19-2007, 07:18 AM
I wouldn't even call it a "season".

bokehlicious
04-19-2007, 07:21 AM
Frankly- the only thing that annoys me about the clay season is all of the bitching about the clay season and how it is not real tennis, doesn't require talent blah blah blah. I have always liked clay since a tot- and have noticed that there is always a snobbery about it from those who do not like the surface that you don't see for folks who say, don't like indoor. And it has always bugged me about how the term 3rd world is brought in a lot. There is a real classicm/elitism when damning clay that you don't see when damning other surfaces.

But I guess that fits in with this thread though Ron- because you asked about our grievances. :p


This is not a place for Rafatards, sweetheart :o ;)

RonE
04-19-2007, 07:21 AM
I guess I may as well get into the spirit of this thread

CLAY IS FOR POTTERY!!!!

To take your analogy one step further

To all those who say grass is for cows to graze on.

Well, clay is for pigs to roll in :tape: :p

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 07:21 AM
You are more than free to create your own "1001 Reasons why I hate Grass" thread when the time comes.

Only thing you have to remember is there wll be a lot less posts in that thread seeing as the grass season is considerably shorter :p

You mean 1002, there are more than enough grass haters on this board. It's not my fault Federer doesn't dominate claycourt tennis.

RonE
04-19-2007, 07:24 AM
You mean 1002, there are more than enough grass haters on this board. It's not my fault Federer doesn't dominate claycourt tennis.

For you 2,002 :p

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 07:31 AM
For you 2,002 :p

Yes, I forget the wonderful days of tennis where it was all serve, ace, ace, service winner, double fault, mishit return, ace. That was quality under the guise of attacking tennis.

Deivid23
04-19-2007, 07:31 AM
Clay sucks ! Nice thread Ron :yeah:

Nice thread Ron, how funny Ron, you´re good Ron, can´t u write anything else? :haha:

You will make Ron´s gf Rogiman feel jealous soon :D

bokehlicious
04-19-2007, 07:38 AM
Nice thread Ron, how funny Ron, you´re good Ron, can´t u write anything else? :haha:

You will make Ron´s gf Rogiman feel jealous soon :D

Back to topic, how much does clay suck in your opinion, burro ? :confused:

RonE
04-19-2007, 07:42 AM
Yes, I forget the wonderful days of tennis where it was all serve, ace, ace, service winner, double fault, mishit return, ace. That was quality under the guise of attacking tennis.

Just for you George- the 1994 Wimbledon final between Ivanisevic and Sampras:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwjDYCLi11s&mode=related&search=

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEIRjMELxqs

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGe5s0ehUs

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGg6nV5-1Y

Part 5 (trophy presentation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0BWxIbOgsc

Enjoy :p

Aaah, watching high quality grasscourt tennis already improves my mood in this difficult time :D

Deivid23
04-19-2007, 07:44 AM
Back to topic, how much does clay suck in your opinion, burro ? :confused:

Clay will suck until Federer wins a big title defeating Nadal in the finals :yeah:

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 07:46 AM
Just for you George- the 1994 Wimbledon final between Ivanisevic and Sampras:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwjDYCLi11s&mode=related&search=

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEIRjMELxqs

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGe5s0ehUs

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGg6nV5-1Y

Part 5 (trophy presentation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0BWxIbOgsc

Enjoy :p

Aaah, watching high quality grasscourt tennis already improves my mood in this difficult time :D

High quality serving. They might as well put 20 cent pieces on court and tell them to hit that.

leng jai
04-19-2007, 07:49 AM
Karlovic Vs Guccione on grass is the modern equivalent of that match. Returns you didn't even think were possible would ensue.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 07:55 AM
Karlovic Vs Guccione on grass is the modern equivalent of that match. Returns you didn't even think wre possible would ensure.

That is a spectators dream.

bokehlicious
04-19-2007, 07:56 AM
Clay will suck until Federer wins a big title defeating Nadal in the finals :yeah:

This day will soon come :devil: but that won't change anything, clay will still suck :o

KoOlMaNsEaN
04-19-2007, 08:00 AM
Clay will suck until Federer wins a big title defeating Nadal in the finals :yeah:

Agreed :wavey:

plus i hate that I cant see the freakin ball on clay in M-C and Rome. It's impossible!

rafagirlno1
04-19-2007, 08:41 AM
:retard:
i expected more from fed fans ....i thought there would be brilliant threads like 'who will roast rafa in monte carlo' :awww:
unfortunately they themselves dont hve confidence in fed anymore :sad:

RonE
04-19-2007, 08:43 AM
but that won't change anything, clay will still suck :o

That's exactly right. Even if Roger beats Rafa 6-0,6-0,6-0 in the RG final clay would still suck big time :)

RonE
04-19-2007, 08:46 AM
:retard:
i expected more from fed fans ....i thought there would be brilliant threads like 'who will roast rafa in monte carlo' :awww:
unfortunately they themselves dont hve confidence in fed anymore :sad:

Clay sucked long before Rafa and will continue to suck long after he is gone.

Rafa is merely the latest symptom of the clay disease :)

Saumon
04-19-2007, 08:47 AM
Clay :drool: :inlove:

rafagirlno1
04-19-2007, 08:47 AM
That's exactly right. Even if Roger beats Rafa 6-0,6-0,6-0 in the RG final clay would still suck big time :)

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

leng jai
04-19-2007, 09:09 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Get out of this thread, you are half the reason the clay season sucks.

rafagirlno1
04-19-2007, 09:19 AM
Get out of this thread, you are half the reason the clay season sucks.

:silly: so when a person like glenn keeps abusing rafa tht makes sense right !!!and i hven't even accused fed on any thing like some of fed fans keep abusing rafa for various bullsh*t reasons :wavey:
so deal with it :wavey:

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-19-2007, 10:20 AM
Get out of this thread, you are half the reason the clay season sucks.

Sad Fedtard.

Too dumb to understand the brilliance needed for clay play.
Clay = chess
Grass = checkers

leng jai
04-19-2007, 10:26 AM
And there is the other half.

RonE
04-19-2007, 10:32 AM
And there is the other half.

:worship:

And in this case the sum of two halves is definitely greater than the whole.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-19-2007, 10:33 AM
RonE only I can save you from the darkness.

The end of Federer is here.
The LIGHT has won.

Loremaster
04-19-2007, 10:38 AM
Federer beating Rafa on clay soon , Federer lovers are really funny :haha:
if he can't be Canas on hard he would surely beat Rafa on clay
Cool enough

:haha:

Please someone :help: those Roger fans to get some logic

leng jai
04-19-2007, 10:40 AM
And the funniest thing here is that I don't even like Federer.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-19-2007, 10:42 AM
Please someone those Roger fans to get some logic

Logic, no chance.

Most of these clowns can't tie their own shoelaces

The Pro
04-19-2007, 10:48 AM
Why can't we call just get along? :awww:

Clay, grass, hard it's all good!

The only thing I don't like is the Aussie Open, a slam in the first month of the season. It makes no sense...

Loremaster
04-19-2007, 10:54 AM
Roger lovers don't have word Logic intheir dictionary

RonE
04-19-2007, 02:59 PM
RonE only I can save you from the darkness.

The end of Federer is here.
The LIGHT has won.

You? Save me? You couldn't even save Sondra :rolls: :spit:

Oh and by the way, clay still sucks :)

Art&Soul
04-19-2007, 03:05 PM
You? Save me? You couldn't even save Sondra :rolls: :spit:


Then Rafagirlno1 was born :o

ReturnWinner
04-19-2007, 03:08 PM
Clay is awesome:) and the slower and heavier ,the more awesome it is :p

croat123
04-19-2007, 03:12 PM
clay blows...can we get a carpet grandslam? :angel:

The_Nadal_effect
04-19-2007, 03:22 PM
Pay no attention to RonE, R=FK, if he wasn't so fond of our dear Piggy, he wouldn't carry him around MTF as his mascot!;)

marcRD
04-19-2007, 03:26 PM
I like fast claycourts like rome. Gives room for different kind of players to shine and createst the most interesting matchup between Federer and Nadal.

NyGeL
04-19-2007, 03:30 PM
Clay is Art

Metis
04-19-2007, 04:06 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I for one cannot wait for the clay season every year to be over.

If you feel the same way this is the place for you to air your grievances and let off steam about whatever pisses you off about the clay. From the ugly grinding style to the massive spike in stupidity on GM during this time (yes, it is hard to believe GM can get any more retarded than it already is and then suddenly the clay season arrives!)

If you are a fan of the clay please don't take any offense this is all in good fun- but please don't dish out any either. This thread is supposed to be a sanctuary for us sinners who dare to air our displeasure with the clay.

That being said, clay hatas of GM it is time we unite! :p


Awww :awww:! A support group for the clay-abused. :hug: :hug: :hug:

adee-gee
04-19-2007, 04:15 PM
I wonder if Ron's liking of clay would sharply increase if Federer won RG :scratch:

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 04:28 PM
I used to dislike clay just because the matches were too long and I had to do my homework instead of watching more. Secondly, endless rallies between mediocre players finished with unfoced errors what reminds me WTA matches (and I finished watching them long time ago, when really good women had quit)

So true. :worship:

Just for you George- the 1994 Wimbledon final between Ivanisevic and Sampras:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwjDYCLi11s&mode=related&search=

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEIRjMELxqs

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGe5s0ehUs

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGg6nV5-1Y

Part 5 (trophy presentation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0BWxIbOgsc

Enjoy :p

Aaah, watching high quality grasscourt tennis already improves my mood in this difficult time :D

That is tennis.

Get out of this thread, you are half the reason the clay season sucks.

:haha:

:silly: so when a person like glenn keeps abusing rafa tht makes sense right !!!and i hven't even accused fed on any thing like some of fed fans keep abusing rafa for various bullsh*t reasons :wavey:
so deal with it :wavey:

I'm not abusing anyone. I'm just stating some obvieties about a moonballer.

Sad Fedtard.

Too dumb to understand the brilliance needed for clay play.
Clay = chess
Grass = checkers

Hitler, go back to the circle jerk.

And there is the other half.

:haha:

Federer beating Rafa on clay soon , Federer lovers are really funny :haha:
if he can't be Canas on hard he would surely beat Rafa on clay
Cool enough

:haha:

Please someone :help: those Roger fans to get some logic

Roger lovers don't have word Logic intheir dictionary

And you don't have "brain" in your head.

GlennMirnyi
04-19-2007, 04:29 PM
clay blows...can we get a carpet grandslam? :angel:

That would be the only salvation tennis can still get.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-19-2007, 05:45 PM
Clay is awesome and the slower and heavier ,the more awesome it is

Of course.
I want to see intelligence win.

Not some retarded ace serving robot.
Serve and volley has gone the way of the dinosaur.
EVOLUTION

richie21
04-19-2007, 05:49 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I for one cannot wait for the clay season every year to be over.



i'm like you,i just can t wait for the clay season to be over quickly.
this is a crap surface ,which is proved by the fact a lot of untalented players (mostly spanish) are able to shine there.

cobalt60
04-19-2007, 06:42 PM
Frankly- the only thing that annoys me about the clay season is all of the bitching about the clay season and how it is not real tennis, doesn't require talent blah blah blah. I have always liked clay since a tot- and have noticed that there is always a snobbery about it from those who do not like the surface that you don't see for folks who say, don't like indoor. And it has always bugged me about how the term 3rd world is brought in a lot. There is a real classicm/elitism when damning clay that you don't see when damning other surfaces.

But I guess that fits in with this thread though Ron- because you asked about our grievances. :p

Lest you forget, there are plenty of clay court snobs here as well;) :p But I am not one of them. Clay is ok.

bokehlicious
04-19-2007, 06:45 PM
When does the grass court season start :angel: ? First clay tourney isn't over yet and I'm already sick of this moonballing... :zzz:

lunahielo
04-19-2007, 06:48 PM
Clay sucks ! Nice thread Ron :yeah:

A big Ditto :)

richie21
04-19-2007, 06:57 PM
When does the grass court season start :angel: ? First clay tourney isn't over yet and I'm already sick of this moonballing... :zzz:

yeah the hispanic players are already shining......what a surprise!:eek: :rolleyes:

danton
04-19-2007, 07:08 PM
Me too - I don't have the patience for all the longs points. My fave players went out early in Monte Carlo. I have Tim, Marat and Dima all on DVD recorded while at work and they all lost. Can't be bothered to watch but I might have if they was on Grass or Hard. It's not like I haven't seen tim and Dima lose on clay and Marat have a mental breakdown before

Andre'sNo1Fan
04-19-2007, 07:12 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I for one cannot wait for the clay season every year to be over.

If you feel the same way this is the place for you to air your grievances and let off steam about whatever pisses you off about the clay. From the ugly grinding style to the massive spike in stupidity on GM during this time (yes, it is hard to believe GM can get any more retarded than it already is and then suddenly the clay season arrives!)

If you are a fan of the clay please don't take any offense this is all in good fun- but please don't dish out any either. This thread is supposed to be a sanctuary for us sinners who dare to air our displeasure with the clay.

That being said, clay hatas of GM it is time we unite! :p

Why because Rafa wins all the time?!! Sad hater, the obsession continues.

Andre'sNo1Fan
04-19-2007, 07:15 PM
Of course.
I want to see intelligence win.

Not some retarded ace serving robot.
Serve and volley has gone the way of the dinosaur.
EVOLUTION
Exactly. You need to have brains to construct a point on clay, not the one trick stuff they come up with on other surfaces. For me, this is the best surface by far.

shruti
04-19-2007, 07:25 PM
I don't have the patience for all the longs points.
Ditto! After a point it just gets annoying. :(

Andre'sNo1Fan
04-19-2007, 07:33 PM
i'm like you,i just can t wait for the clay season to be over quickly.
this is a crap surface ,which is proved by the fact a lot of untalented players (mostly spanish) are able to shine there.
I guess you have no clue what talent is coming out with a statement like that. In fact staying in a rally for more than 3 shots does actually count as talent.

euroka1
04-19-2007, 07:51 PM
I like clay. Gives me and the players time to think :D .

yana
04-19-2007, 07:57 PM
:nerner: :nerner:

adee-gee
04-19-2007, 09:54 PM
Can we move this to the Federer forum? :D

RickDaStick
04-19-2007, 09:58 PM
A mug like Nadal won a GS on this surface. That should tell you how much clay sucks. Credit to Mr Disney for trying to get less tournaments on clay. Who wants to watch a bunch of juicers trying to see who can last the longest on a tennis court.

Allure
04-19-2007, 10:19 PM
I really dislike clay, not a big fan of grass either. Can't wait until hardcourts again.

Neely
04-20-2007, 12:15 AM
I have hardly seen anything so far, but usually I can't stand it too long, clay is my least favourite surface and I'm waiting for it to be over to get into grasscourt propaganda mood. Give me a fast surface and especially grass court tennis which is the most valuable time for me of the season. On this unique surface, every day is a day of celebration when it's played by the right players. Of course, it goes without saying that it may not be something like Puentes vs Puerta. This match was an all-time great tribute to the art of lawn tennis. Combined, you had round about 20 career years and they recorded a total of 6 grass court matches together - these guys really did respect the play on grass, and on Grand Slam level especially :worship: And not to forget the one win on grass of them both combined! Well, somebody had to win in this match...

Johnny Groove
04-20-2007, 12:39 AM
Clay :drool:

And Ron, you knew this thread would degenerate into bashing :lol:

yomike
04-20-2007, 05:18 AM
Clay is my favorite surface, I especially enjoy seeing hardcourters move like constipated rats on the court.

bokehlicious
04-20-2007, 06:24 AM
I guess you have no clue what talent is coming out with a statement like that. In fact staying in a rally for more than 3 shots does actually count as talent.

Serving huge requires no talent, right ? :o :lol:

And you're talking about having no clue... :rolleyes:

Mimi
04-20-2007, 06:52 AM
i am sure that if Roger wins RG this year, you will change your mind and say "I love clay" ;)

I don't know about the rest of you but I for one cannot wait for the clay season every year to be over.

If you feel the same way this is the place for you to air your grievances and let off steam about whatever pisses you off about the clay. From the ugly grinding style to the massive spike in stupidity on GM during this time (yes, it is hard to believe GM can get any more retarded than it already is and then suddenly the clay season arrives!)

If you are a fan of the clay please don't take any offense this is all in good fun- but please don't dish out any either. This thread is supposed to be a sanctuary for us sinners who dare to air our displeasure with the clay.

That being said, clay hatas of GM it is time we unite! :p

bokehlicious
04-20-2007, 07:07 AM
i am sure that if Roger wins RG this year, you will change your mind and say "I love clay" ;)

Ron is no fanboy, he disliked clay before Roger came around and he'll continue once he retires...

RonE
04-20-2007, 07:29 AM
I wonder if Ron's liking of clay would sharply increase if Federer won RG :scratch:

See this thread:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=99211&page=5

So, are you saying you WoULDN'T have voted for me? traitor. :( (langers IS an arseclown...just not a very prolific one)

;)

BTW, I think Ron's FO responses are hilarious. Zeros.

Ron, if Rogi wins this year, will those numbers change???


Absolutely not. Hell will freeze over first. I hate that tournament and I always will :)

My answer still stands :)

RonE
04-20-2007, 10:02 AM
Clay :drool:

And Ron, you knew this thread would degenerate into bashing :lol:

Oh absolutely. But then again I can always count on degenrates like Andre's#1idiot and R=FK to prove my point about why clay season sucks :devil:

The worst tards are usually fans of the most dominant player on clay- we see this with Nadal over the last three years and before that with Coria in 2004.

The fantastic thing about the 2004 final was the way Coria blew the final against Gaudio and the way this place exploded into mayhem :devil:

Modetopia
04-20-2007, 11:03 AM
It sucks when I can't see the ball.

true! it's too painful to watch.

RonE
04-20-2007, 05:22 PM
Ron is no fanboy, he disliked clay before Roger came around and he'll continue once he retires...

Spot on! :yeah: The man speaks the truth....

Apart from Rafa who is a necessary evil the semifinal line up for Monte Carlo is not that bad.... and yet, despite this clay still sucks! :rolleyes:

Even if Berdych would roast the swine and Federer were to win Monte Carlo CLAY WOULD STILL SUCK!!!!

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Castafiore
04-20-2007, 05:38 PM
:lol:

Trying to keep this thread up high on page one, RonE?

ezekiel
04-20-2007, 05:44 PM
I like RG when as the ball can be clearly seen unlike these other clay courts and sometimes we get a good match. But I am bored with 2 back courters slugging it out

RonE
04-20-2007, 06:02 PM
I like RG when as the ball can be clearly seen unlike these other clay courts and sometimes we get a good match. But I am bored with 2 back courters slugging it out

Yes and the trouble is by the time RG rolls around and you have had all these tournaments one after the other with this slogging going on you actually feel physically sick looking at even more slogging for two whole weeks over best of five set matches http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0006.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-20-2007, 06:06 PM
15-0 Ace
15-15 Double Fault
30-15 Service Winner
40-15 Volley Winner (3 shot rally :D )
Game Ace

Now thats tennis :rolleyes:

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 06:07 PM
15-0 Ace
15-15 Double Fault
30-15 Service Winner
40-15 Volley Winner (3 shot rally :D )
Game Ace

Now thats tennis :rolleyes:

Beats the hell out of watching Nadal trying to hit the moon with his shots.

RonE
04-20-2007, 06:08 PM
15-0 Ace
15-15 Double Fault
30-15 Service Winner
40-15 Volley Winner (3 shot rally :D )
Game Ace

Now thats tennis :rolleyes:

"Oink", "Oink", grunt, pick ass, "Oink", grunt, Vamos, Vamos "oink", towel, "oink", towel, grunt... no, now THAT's tennis :yeah:

:retard:

gogogirl
04-20-2007, 06:22 PM
Hey All,

I love clay because just like all other surfaces it presents its own challenge. I like the angles one can employ and the drop shots. I love to see the players knock the clay off of their shoes. I love to see some of the sliding that goes on. I noticed that during the Chrissy/Martina match final TTC showed the other night, those two were foot faulting right and left. LOL! Chrissy had her foot on the line from jump street before she even went into her serving motion. I watched Venus & Serena's final on Sunday - and Venus was foot faulting galore. I spect the line judges don't call those faults much on clay.

What sort of splits my spine is the fact that NO Americans are in the MC draw. I think this subject needs to be explored more. I mean, hopefully, these players haven't thrown in the towel as if to say that they don't think they could have done well on clay. They should be trying to improve on the stuff. But then again - they get to choose two MS tourneys that they can skip w/o getting fined - so I suppose MC is the one they've decided to skip to my lou.

This also tells me that no one offered James and Andy appearance fees or if they were offered a fee - they decided not to accept it. I also wonder if some clay tourneys offer all of the top 10 players appearance fees or just the players that have exceled on clay?

Anyway - I am enjoying this toruney and look forward to all of them leading up to the FO.

yana
04-20-2007, 06:48 PM
A mug like Nadal won a GS on this surface. That should tell you how much clay sucks. Credit to Mr Disney for trying to get less tournaments on clay. Who wants to watch a bunch of juicers trying to see who can last the longest on a tennis court.



:wavey:
What is Ljubo doing these days? He has so many free time lately. He could even get a second job.

danton
04-20-2007, 07:39 PM
"Oink", "Oink", grunt, pick ass, "Oink", grunt, Vamos, Vamos "oink", towel, "oink", towel, grunt... no, now THAT's tennis :yeah:

:retard:

:worship:

Men are really starting to grunt and some even squeak when they serve WTF!. I don't like it with women and I wish the men would stop it now before it gets any worse.

RickDaStick
04-20-2007, 07:43 PM
:wavey:
What is Ljubo doing these days? He has so many free time lately. He could even get a second job.


This would be somewhat funny and make a little sense if Ljubo wasnt among the leaders in wins for the season.

maria_marie
04-20-2007, 07:47 PM
I personally love the clay because it's not as traumatic as the hard court or carpet and there are so many interesting shot streaks it's not just serves like in that Roddick-Karlovic match last year which I couldn't watch till the end because it was too boring. And also most european tourneys are on clay so they want to cut OUR tournaments out of the masters and leave numerous tournaments in the USA(which are not even convenient to watch due to the time difference)

Beforehand
04-20-2007, 08:04 PM
I like both grass and hard, and they can both be equally terrible and wonderful.

Grass with its reflexes and volleys and the skills you need is good, but...yeah...Aces and service winners abound...eh sometimes.

Clay can be glorious with its point construction and thinking and intelligence, but watching mediocre safe defensive tennis for 40 shots in a rally...eh...I'll pass on that too.

Imagine that...it's like...tennis...can be good and bad on a surface? It's almost like it depends on the match or something!

Johnny Groove
04-20-2007, 08:40 PM
"Oink", "Oink", grunt, pick ass, "Oink", grunt, Vamos, Vamos "oink", towel, "oink", towel, grunt... no, now THAT's tennis :yeah:

:retard:

Got that right :rocker2:

Sunset of Age
04-20-2007, 11:28 PM
"Oink", "Oink", grunt, pick ass, "Oink", grunt, Vamos, Vamos "oink", towel, "oink", towel, grunt... no, now THAT's tennis :yeah:

:retard:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

But you know what? It's pretty effective, hah. ;) :yeah:

Know what? Silly game, TENNIS. These blokes should try BRIDGE. A lot harder, I can tell ye! :p

Beforehand
04-21-2007, 02:30 AM
On a somewhat related note, I watched the 2004 RG final between Coria and Gaudio a few weeks ago.

My God, I was angry. Everyone treats it as this kind of epic, and it was, but I guess I just expected something not quite as epicly bad and sad. It was awful watching both of them fight to lose that match. Ugh.

RonE
04-21-2007, 06:42 AM
On a somewhat related note, I watched the 2004 RG final between Coria and Gaudio a few weeks ago.

My God, I was angry. Everyone treats it as this kind of epic, and it was, but I guess I just expected something not quite as epicly bad and sad. It was awful watching both of them fight to lose that match. Ugh.

Yes that match is a perfect microcosm of why clay sucks so much.

As I said before at the time MTF was flooded with Coria-tards and the only thing that was good about the match was the fact that Gaudio won it and the way he won it and how those tards were going totally ballistic :devil:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 08:14 AM
On a somewhat related note, I watched the 2004 RG final between Coria and Gaudio a few weeks ago.

My God, I was angry. Everyone treats it as this kind of epic, and it was, but I guess I just expected something not quite as epicly bad and sad. It was awful watching both of them fight to lose that match. Ugh.

The only reason the match was an epic, cause of the circumstances around it, not cause of quality of tennis, but not surprising that was missed by some people.

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 08:37 AM
My last serious reply in this thread, cause it's going to be a waste of time, but I am feeling generous.

First of all R=FK and Andre'sNo1Fan, you two and intellectual thought in the same sentence, are about as probable as a halal butcher specialising in pork and bacon products.

Next of all, wah, wah, wah, wah, clay sucks. Well that's cool and all to say that, but there is no one forcing anybody to watch these events that suck so much, no real need to put yourself through the pain during this time.

However R=FK is right about grass and indoor tennis that it was ace, service winner, ace, mishit return winner, double fault, service winner and game. The only problem with is that it's outdated and the surfaces have been slowed down.

As usual most people have missed why they were slowed down, well when you have lightning fast balls, the grass was like a bowling green, racquets that haven't been controlled by legislation, in addition to a generation of massive servers like Sampras, Todd Martin, Ivanisevic, Stich, Krajicek, Becker, Rusedski, Enqvist, Rosset and the Poo for example. There were reasons that people weren't watching at that time and yes the ball being in play. It was like going straight to a penalty shootout without play any of the match.

Now, we'll have now serve and volley is dead brigade. These things are cyclical and the racquets don't help, at the same time, it's not like learning to volley isn't a useful tool on any surface.

If people have a short attention span, then don't watch matches on clay. Oh! then there are there are too many breaks of serve on clay argument. Lucky they have made the courts that much quicker and the balls lighter, but nah that isn't a problem at all, just the grass is too slow.

Lets overlook the fact that having to use all the shots, yes that includes the serve and the volley at the right time on clay is a very good tactic, but cause this doesn't fit in with the only way to win on clay is pick your arse, round around like 50000 piranhas are in your pants and hit moonballs all day long.

wally1
04-21-2007, 10:02 AM
I like both grass and hard, and they can both be equally terrible and wonderful.

Grass with its reflexes and volleys and the skills you need is good, but...yeah...Aces and service winners abound...eh sometimes.

Clay can be glorious with its point construction and thinking and intelligence, but watching mediocre safe defensive tennis for 40 shots in a rally...eh...I'll pass on that too.

Imagine that...it's like...tennis...can be good and bad on a surface? It's almost like it depends on the match or something!:yeah: Well done, the voice of reason. But you're a voice crying in the wilderness...

rubsch
04-21-2007, 10:09 AM
On a somewhat related note, I watched the 2004 RG final between Coria and Gaudio a few weeks ago.

My God, I was angry. Everyone treats it as this kind of epic, and it was, but I guess I just expected something not quite as epicly bad and sad. It was awful watching both of them fight to lose that match. Ugh.

shut up idiot!
I don't want to watch you holding a raquet and falling on your own ass everytime you want to hit a ball...

Castafiore
04-21-2007, 12:22 PM
My last serious reply in this thread, cause it's going to be a waste of time, but I am feeling generous.

First of all R=FK and Andre'sNo1Fan, you two and intellectual thought in the same sentence, are about as probable as a halal butcher specialising in pork and bacon products.

Next of all, wah, wah, wah, wah, clay sucks. Well that's cool and all to say that, but there is no one forcing anybody to watch these events that suck so much, no real need to put yourself through the pain during this time.

However R=FK is right about grass and indoor tennis that it was ace, service winner, ace, mishit return winner, double fault, service winner and game. The only problem with is that it's outdated and the surfaces have been slowed down.

As usual most people have missed why they were slowed down, well when you have lightning fast balls, the grass was like a bowling green, racquets that haven't been controlled by legislation, in addition to a generation of massive servers like Sampras, Todd Martin, Ivanisevic, Stich, Krajicek, Becker, Rusedski, Enqvist, Rosset and the Poo for example. There were reasons that people weren't watching at that time and yes the ball being in play. It was like going straight to a penalty shootout without play any of the match.

Now, we'll have now serve and volley is dead brigade. These things are cyclical and the racquets don't help, at the same time, it's not like learning to volley isn't a useful tool on any surface.

If people have a short attention span, then don't watch matches on clay. Oh! then there are there are too many breaks of serve on clay argument. Lucky they have made the courts that much quicker and the balls lighter, but nah that isn't a problem at all, just the grass is too slow.

Lets overlook the fact that having to use all the shots, yes that includes the serve and the volley at the right time on clay is a very good tactic, but cause this doesn't fit in with the only way to win on clay is pick your arse, round around like 50000 piranhas are in your pants and hit moonballs all day long.
:yeah:
I can't good rep you but great post, George!

It's useless to talk to clay haters about the beauty of clay court tennis if they can't or won't see it. Like you've said: if you have a short attention span, don't watch clay court tennis. It's simple really.

Personally, I like the long, long rallies just because it's interesting to see what sort of shot selection the players use to try and get the upper hand eventually and who will break down first. It's a great game of patience, that.

RonE
04-21-2007, 01:31 PM
It's useless to talk to clay haters about the beauty of clay court tennis if they can't or won't see it.

Well in order to see clay tennis you have to be able to see the ball and in the pre-RG tournaments that's quite difficult :tape:

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 01:34 PM
Well in order to see clay tennis you have to be able to see the ball and in the pre-RG tournaments that's quite difficult :tape:

Carrots are kosher aren't they Ronaldo?

Johnny Groove
04-21-2007, 02:07 PM
Well in order to see clay tennis you have to be able to see the ball and in the pre-RG tournaments that's quite difficult :tape:

Well, live streams arent supposed to be the best quality, i remember watching their Shanghai match, and couldnt see the ball.

RonE
04-21-2007, 02:29 PM
Carrots are kosher aren't they Ronaldo?

Yes they are Georgie Porgie, and so are bird bagels it seems :tape:

But seriously, even someone with 20/20 vision would struggle to follow the flight of the ball and I am not the only one who thinks so. ;)

Well, live streams arent supposed to be the best quality, i remember watching their Shanghai match, and couldnt see the ball.

Alas, I wasn't watching the live stream. This is ESPN's coverage I am talking about and its really bad :tape:

jh21
04-21-2007, 03:51 PM
it seems there are more people bitching about why clay doesn't suck, which is what the original post said not to do...

but to be honest, all the clay lovers in this post are right: i personally dont like clay because YES roger hasnt beat nadal. if fedex owned this surface then i would like it. BUT with that being said, if fed owned all surfaces i would still like clay the least because (i know this has been beaten over the head already) I cant see the damn ball, the points just take way too long - which always end in an enforced error or the player is just too tired, no coverage of the damn season in the U.S.(which maybe if i had more exposure i can appreciate it more).

clay is called the "great equalizer" for a reason. Its because those with inferior "tennis ball striking" skills can win as long as they have speed, heart and strong will. and Im NOT saying thats a bad thing at all, more power to those who can succeed on it.. its WAY harder to do what Rafa has done on clay than fedex has done on grass.

danton
04-21-2007, 03:52 PM
Well, live streams arent supposed to be the best quality, i remember watching their Shanghai match, and couldnt see the ball.

I was watching MC on Sky on my widescreen 28inch TV and struggled to see the ball sometimes. the camera was even wonky sometimes:confused: and definately too far away.

After seeing Fed today and watching a bit of Nadals match (damn sky for putting it on interactive so I couldn't watch it on TV) tomorrows final should be good.

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 03:54 PM
Yes they are Georgie Porgie, and so are bird bagels it seems :tape:

But seriously, even someone with 20/20 vision would struggle to follow the flight of the ball and I am not the only one who thinks so. ;)


I wouldn't know maybe you might have to change the contrast on your TV, but that would trying cause of the attention span and also cause that would mean watching tennis on clay.:)

Merton
04-21-2007, 03:55 PM
Just a little sample of great clay court tennis, Costa-Corretja video from their 2002 RG semifinal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcIuztoujWw

Bremen
04-21-2007, 04:48 PM
Just a little sample of great clay court tennis, Costa-Corretja video from their 2002 RG semifinal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcIuztoujWw

Anyone have any clips of Federer vs. Ferrero?

Merton
04-21-2007, 05:00 PM
Anyone have any clips of Federer vs. Ferrero?

No clue, I normally would not care for clips of Ferrero.

Beforehand
04-21-2007, 05:06 PM
The only reason the match was an epic, cause of the circumstances around it, not cause of quality of tennis, but not surprising that was missed by some people.
I love it when you get all "elitist prone to misunderstandings" on me.

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:14 PM
I love it when you get all "elitist prone to misunderstandings" on me.

Wasn't me complaining about the quality of the match, was it? :)

Naide
04-21-2007, 05:27 PM
I wouldn't know maybe you might have to change the contrast on your TV, but that would trying cause of the attention span and also cause that would mean watching tennis on clay.:)

:haha: so true.

Beforehand
04-21-2007, 05:45 PM
Wasn't me complaining about the quality of the match, was it? :)
:o That's not the point.

Anyway, it wasn't to convey that all matches on clay were terrible, though, just that one that's regarded well was tough to watch.

Why don't more people talk about that Safin/Robredo match from 2005? Mmmm.

Action Jackson
04-21-2007, 05:49 PM
:o That's not the point.

Anyway, it wasn't to convey that all matches on clay were terrible, though, just that one that's regarded well was tough to watch.

Why don't more people talk about that Safin/Robredo match from 2005? Mmmm.

Safin lost that is why people don't talk about it. Terrible matches are rubbish matches irrespective of surface.

dj_mercury
04-21-2007, 06:07 PM
I don't understand this hate towards clay, the match are more long, often more interesting and there is a much more strategical component in the match in my opinion, also the fact that holding the service is not so easy makes the turnarounds likely. I personally don't like too much the little grass season, except for watching the magical Federer on it, but the other matches are mostly boring with many matches just being a follow up of winninig service points and mistakes, but I guess this is just subjective.

stebs
04-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Clay is fine. Only problem is low quality livestream still allows you to see the ball on hardcourts but does not on clay.

Different skills are required on different surfaces and this is what makes tennis interesting.

MisterQ
04-21-2007, 06:45 PM
I would only bitch and moan about all the bitching and moaning.

It's fine to have aesthetic preferences, and express those from time to time. But it's annoying to have to read dismissive remarks about moonballing every other post.

Beforehand
04-21-2007, 08:05 PM
Safin lost that is why people don't talk about it. Terrible matches are rubbish matches irrespective of surface.
I forgot the "Safin rule". :lol: That match was great to watch.

Yeah, I said that earlier. Fuck bad tennis.

RonE
04-21-2007, 08:59 PM
I wouldn't know maybe you might have to change the contrast on your TV, but that would trying cause of the attention span and also cause that would mean watching tennis on clay.:)

No, it simply means my tv hates clay tennis too. Not that I blame it :D

t0x
04-21-2007, 09:57 PM
I like some varity so clay is OK.

I can appreciate the tactics it requires to develop points on such a slow surface, however at the same time 4 billion shot ralleys with one player running frantically side to side isn't tennis to me... tennis is about shotmaking not fitness (to me).

wcr
04-21-2007, 11:06 PM
Double-edge sword. The clay surface is more forgiving on the body and I can run all day long on it without the same kind of aches and pains I get off hard court play. Therein lies the rub, one can and does run all day long on it. Green or red, same deal. It just gets boring. Boring for play and even more boring to watch on TV where most folks see the matches.

The last clay match I enjoyed watching was the FO 1999 womens final and it sure wasn't because of clay court shot making in the extreme. Hell, I can't even see the ball once the server hits the toss unless the point comes up in replay. What made that final great was the insanity brought on by Ms. Hingis' teenage meltdown. No amount of candle lighting at Notre Dame could help the brat she was back then. Clay court play is like an all day sucker and unless there's high drama, it's not for me.

I've never been a fan of endurance sports. I leave it to others to let me know who wins the Tour de Lance (oops, I mean France), soccer matches, marathons, golf tournaments and the like. Juan-Carlos Ferrero has a beautiful game but after watching him play 3 points in a row, I'm back to channel surfing.

C'est la vie. C'est la guerre.

marcRD
04-21-2007, 11:18 PM
Clay tennis is not very beautiful, but very interestin to watch. There is so much hearth and head involved on clay tennis and it is so fun to watch great hardcourt players strugge to hit winners against claycourt tennis players who have prepared all season to face the big guys. To see Roddick lose to a 100+ ranked player nobod heard of and to see how the surface still is not able to slow down Ivo Karlovic's serve. Coria doublefaulting his way to victory and english commentators obsessed with players going to the net even if we are playing on clay). Then there is Federer trying to write tennis hisory and Nadal writing tenni history (r should I say clay history) and Federer unable to accept beeing lesser than anoter player on any surface.

You gotta love the clay season, it is just so much crazyness going on during clay season.

danton
04-22-2007, 01:44 PM
Watching the Nadal/Fed match at MC now - if more games were like this on clay I think it would be much more popular. Awesome tennis.

bokehlicious
04-23-2007, 08:02 AM
Clay tennis is a disgrace to the sport... Ugly tennis, no drama, nothing, just boring grinding at its best...

Bring on grass ASAP !

Action Jackson
04-23-2007, 08:43 AM
Clay tennis is a disgrace to the sport... Ugly tennis, no drama, nothing, just boring grinding at its best...

Bring on grass ASAP !

You are almost as bad as Tangy, lift your game.

oz_boz
04-23-2007, 08:49 AM
The only problem with clay tennis of late is its predictability. On the other surfaces there has at least been some uncertainty who Fed will play in the final - granted that may be about to change.

Clay and grass both suffer from a lack of good players. Grass understandably so with the short season, but clay? You can get to #1 by being the best on clay, at least pre-Fed.

bokehlicious
04-23-2007, 11:56 AM
The only problem with clay tennis of late is its predictability.

People like to label Roger "boring" because of the supposed lack of opposition and him winning about everything...

Interestingly enough this label doesn't seem to fit when it comes to Nadal and the lack of competition he faces on clay... :angel:

adee-gee
04-23-2007, 11:59 AM
People like to label Roger "boring" because of the supposed lack of opposition and him winning about everything...

People label Federer boring because he has the personality of a can of tuna.

guille&tati4life
04-23-2007, 12:02 PM
Clay is the best surface :yeah:

People label Federer boring because he has the personality of a can of tuna.

I find him to have a fine personality, much better than Nadal anyway.

bokehlicious
04-23-2007, 12:12 PM
People label Federer boring because he has the personality of a can of tuna.

I didn't refer to you and your fellow sore haters, only the so-called tennis lovers who use to complain about domination :)

RonE
04-27-2007, 06:51 PM
*BUMP*

In light of the following suggestion:

Thanks, I will .:)

Carry on with the complaining then. It's a good occassion to bump up your whine, complain, moan thread. JMPower will also be grateful to you.
See? It's so easy to get along.

Here we are back again.

You know its the clay season when Nadal continues bullying helpless opponents on the clay and his zealous fanboys/girls create a gazillion threads for every such victory.

And of course anyone proclaiming any discourse with the creation of thread after thread of fanboyism is immediately bashed and told to keep their mouths shut.

Funny whenever we are during hard or grass season the same people always get their knickers in a knot whenever anyone says anything which can be construed as fanboyism about Federer and his winning ways, yet when the clay season rolls along and Nadal is the one dominating that type of behaviour becomes completely acceptable and its all the other people who have to put up and shut up.

Johnny Groove
04-27-2007, 06:56 PM
*BUMP*

In light of the following suggestion:



Here we are back again.

You know its the clay season when Nadal continues bullying helpless opponents on the clay and his zealous fanboys/girls create a gazillion threads for every such victory.

And of course anyone proclaiming any discourse with the creation of thread after thread of fanboyism is immediately bashed and told to keep their mouths shut.

Funny whenever we are during hard or grass season the same people always get their knickers in a knot whenever anyone says anything which can be construed as fanboyism about Federer and his winning ways, yet when the clay season rolls along and Nadal is the one dominating that type of behaviour becomes completely acceptable and its all the other people who have to put up and shut up.

because its only 2 months of nadal vs. 10 months for Federer, mate

RonE
04-27-2007, 06:59 PM
because its only 2 months of nadal vs. 10 months for Federer, mate

For those two months the amount of fanboyism is equivalent to Federer fanboyism seen on this board during 2 years :tape:

Merton
04-27-2007, 07:00 PM
*BUMP*

In light of the following suggestion:



Here we are back again.

You know its the clay season when Nadal continues bullying helpless opponents on the clay and his zealous fanboys/girls create a gazillion threads for every such victory.

And of course anyone proclaiming any discourse with the creation of thread after thread of fanboyism is immediately bashed and told to keep their mouths shut.

Funny whenever we are during hard or grass season the same people always get their knickers in a knot whenever anyone says anything which can be construed as fanboyism about Federer and his winning ways, yet when the clay season rolls along and Nadal is the one dominating that type of behaviour becomes completely acceptable and its all the other people who have to put up and shut up.

It is just a fact of life, people that cheer on Nadal's early round wins will be the ones to complain about a thread like "Federer obliterates Minar..." and vice-versa. It is usually players outside the top that will not get sufficient publicity and when they do, it usually involves bandwagoning.

Johnny Groove
04-27-2007, 07:01 PM
For those two months the amount of fanboyism is equivalent to Federer fanboyism seen on this board during 2 years :tape:

we're trying to make up for lost time :lol:

Action Jackson
04-27-2007, 07:03 PM
It is just a fact of life, people that cheer on Nadal's early round wins will be the ones to complain about a thread like "Federer obliterates Minar..." and vice-versa. It is usually players outside the top that will not get sufficient publicity and when they do, it usually involves bandwagoning.

Exactly.

Perfect example is Roitman, the guy writes an absolute hilarious blog without all of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and it's lucky to reach 40 replies, then again he isn't a friend of Safin or a pretty boy.

If not for the clay season, then none of the news of Mantilla and his recovery from a potential illness.

shacklebolt
04-27-2007, 08:46 PM
For those two months the amount of fanboyism is equivalent to Federer fanboyism seen on this board during 2 years :tape:

I'm so happy about this thread. I have been fussin' and fumin' to all who would listen (not many) about how much I hate clay. Finally, a home for folks like me! :)

RonE
04-27-2007, 09:01 PM
I'm so happy about this thread. I have been fussin' and fumin' to all who would listen (not many) about how much I hate clay. Finally, a home for folks like me! :)

Welcome aboard brother. This thread is your sanctuary :yeah:

NicoFan
04-27-2007, 09:01 PM
People label Federer boring because he has the personality of a can of tuna.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

I'm sorrry but I can't help myself...that's funny. :yeah:

Alexandy
04-27-2007, 09:07 PM
RonE , do you not like clay in general? Or is it just because Nadal is winning everything? Would you feel differently if it was Fed dominating?

I was just wondering. This wasn't meant to start a fight or anything. :)

Skyward
04-27-2007, 09:32 PM
People label Federer boring because he has the personality of a can of tuna.


Wrong thread.

Burrow
04-27-2007, 10:45 PM
Im sick of it too.

~EMiLiTA~
04-28-2007, 01:12 AM
hardcourts for me i'm afraid

RonE
04-28-2007, 09:06 AM
RonE , do you not like clay in general? Or is it just because Nadal is winning everything? Would you feel differently if it was Fed dominating?

I was just wondering. This wasn't meant to start a fight or anything. :)

No, I hate clay no matter who is dominating. I hated it long before Nadal turned pro and will continue to do so long after he retires.

Even when Guga was at his peak clay was perhaps a little bit more tolerable but I still hated it.

bokehlicious
04-28-2007, 11:00 AM
No, I hate clay no matter who is dominating. I hated it long before Nadal turned pro and will continue to do so long after he retires.

Even when Guga was at his peak clay was perhaps a little bit more tolerable but I still hated it.

Same feelings here. Endless rallies are boring to me... I fancy offensive tennis, and it's been heartbreaking over the years to see the offensive players fail at winning Roland Garros... And I have a feeling Roger's not gonna be the next one...

Neely
04-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Each day that passes and brings us closer to the real unique surface (=grass) is a good day the next few weeks.

Saturn66
04-28-2007, 02:11 PM
Rallies too long... like watching a WTA match.

Morgan Z
04-28-2007, 08:19 PM
I hate clay. Roland Garros should be degraded to a Challenger.

Action Jackson
04-28-2007, 08:22 PM
Good to see the short attention span syndrome hasn't been lost .

tangerine_dream
04-29-2007, 01:23 AM
Good to see the short attention span syndrome hasn't been lost .
Too many words. I stopped reading after "Good to.."

Johnny Groove
04-29-2007, 01:23 AM
I hate clay. Roland Garros should be degraded to a Challenger.

:spit: Thats the best one today :lol:

RonE
04-29-2007, 06:47 AM
I hate clay. Roland Garros should be degraded to a Challenger.

Best post so far :worship: :yeah:

soraya
04-29-2007, 06:52 AM
It sucks when I can't see the ball.

I am with you in that.

Action Jackson
04-29-2007, 08:13 AM
I hate clay. Roland Garros should be degraded to a Challenger.

Top 5 in the Post of the Year so far.

leng jai
04-29-2007, 08:34 AM
What are the other contenders for post of the year? Is there a thread for this.

Action Jackson
04-29-2007, 08:35 AM
What are the other contenders for post of the year? Is there a thread for this.

I think there is something in Non-Tennis, if not I will start one up.

scarecrows
04-29-2007, 08:37 AM
i'm sure there is one there

fightclubber
04-30-2007, 01:01 AM
Federer is to tennis what Nadal is only... to clay

soraya
04-30-2007, 07:54 AM
Federer is to tennis what Nadal is only... to clay

comforting!

yonexforever
04-30-2007, 02:47 PM
Excellent thread!!!
Im cant STAND the endless damn rallying, and all that red shit that gets all over you.
Dont get me wrong, I hate American clay as well, that slippery green shit is just awful, not to mention the effed up bounces.

Now if all they would show were the semis and finals from Paris I would be grateful!

There I got it off my chest!!!!

Brilliant thread!

alfonsojose
05-03-2007, 04:37 PM
Clay season :zzz:

alfonsojose
05-03-2007, 04:40 PM
Federer is to tennis what Nadal is only... to clay

ATP no. 1 and no. 2 money whores

RonE
05-04-2007, 05:55 PM
*BUMP*

Just felt the urge to bitch a little more :D

CLAY SUCKS!!! :dance: :dance: :dance:

Johnny Groove
05-04-2007, 08:01 PM
Stop bitching :)

Bagelicious
05-04-2007, 08:57 PM
Clay sucks. That is all.

TMJordan
05-04-2007, 08:59 PM
Real men play on clay.

RonE
05-04-2007, 09:20 PM
Stop bitching :)

Why? I only have a couple of months every year to whine. The rest I leave to you and your fellow minions :D

ranaldo
05-04-2007, 10:34 PM
I like clay, but lately I've been witnessing boring clown matches even by players who are usually clay specialists. The time of Kuerten, Costa, Ferrero and 2004 Gaudio is apparently over. I get the feeling that top seeds are renewing the style on hardcourts but apart from Nadal everyone looks silly on clay.
Even Federer seems bothered when he plays, it looks like he's not having a good time grinding against motherfuckers like Seppi.

Naranoc
05-04-2007, 11:48 PM
I pretty much don't agree at all with the sentiments expressed in this thread, but it seems to be a good idea in theory, in that it gathers together all the complainers, so that they can have their bitching fests (mostly) uninterrupted :D
It's when the haters are set loose in GM that the problems begin.

RonE
05-05-2007, 11:30 AM
I pretty much don't agree at all with the sentiments expressed in this thread, but it seems to be a good idea in theory, in that it gathers together all the complainers, so that they can have their bitching fests (mostly) uninterrupted :D
It's when the haters are set loose in GM that the problems begin.

See? I always try to find original solutions to making GM a more bearable place :D

RonE
05-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Well Rome has started and while Rome clay is comparatively better than most other clay courts in other tournaments it is still clay and therefore it sucks too :D

oz_boz
05-08-2007, 03:11 PM
I like clay tennis but everyone complaining about the tour being predictable these days should have something to say in this thread. Diehard Nadal fans are excused but only to some extent.

GlennMirnyi
05-10-2007, 12:42 AM
When you see a joker like Nadal winning more than 2 matches in a row it's clear as water the surface sucks.

Julio1974
05-10-2007, 12:56 AM
When you see a joker like Nadal winning more than 2 matches in a row it's clear as water the surface sucks.

Even grass sucks then... :lol:

GlennMirnyi
05-10-2007, 01:02 AM
Even grass sucks then... :lol:

Cakewalk draw.

trivfun
05-10-2007, 04:41 PM
I live in Georgia. I'm surprised that there isn't a clay court tournament in this area. I think they can speed up the clay a little more but I blame USTA for not puttin more surfaces like clay for kids to play on and adding variety to the surface. If that was the case, you could have seen Pete Sampras really do well with his serve and volley game there. McEnroe played on clay as a youngster and did well. Clay helps undersize players than oversize ones. It takes away the racket size issues. James Blake has a chance on this and maybe even Andy Roddick.

I like grass for the first week but when it gets chewed up, it is a joke.

RickDaStick
05-11-2007, 09:25 PM
Another exciting day of tennis on the red stuff:rolleyes:

A_Skywalker
05-11-2007, 09:35 PM
I am so sorry for this thread, it will not be boring after Nadal wins Wimby

The_Nadal_effect
05-11-2007, 09:37 PM
I am so sorry for this thread, it will not be boring after Nadal wins Wimby

Boring? I think it will get a new life then:) .

RonE
05-11-2007, 09:45 PM
I am so sorry for this thread, it will not be boring after Nadal wins Wimby

Ladies and gentleman- I present exhibit A. One of the countless irritating symptoms brought upon MTF during the clay season and further evidence as to why clay sucks.

A_Skywalker
05-11-2007, 09:51 PM
Hey, I am just seeing in the future, sorry to say the truth if it hurts you :wavey:

GlennMirnyi
05-11-2007, 10:11 PM
I live in Georgia. I'm surprised that there isn't a clay court tournament in this area. I think they can speed up the clay a little more but I blame USTA for not puttin more surfaces like clay for kids to play on and adding variety to the surface. If that was the case, you could have seen Pete Sampras really do well with his serve and volley game there. McEnroe played on clay as a youngster and did well. Clay helps undersize players than oversize ones. It takes away the racket size issues. James Blake has a chance on this and maybe even Andy Roddick.

I like grass for the first week but when it gets chewed up, it is a joke.

Hummm...

SHUT. UP. and go to another thread, this thread is to COMPLAIN.

Clay is a joke and levels good players with rubbish players.

I am so sorry for this thread, it will not be boring after Nadal wins Wimby

What a joke. :haha: :haha: :haha:

t0x
05-11-2007, 10:34 PM
I don't mind clay...

It's more the way most clay court players play the game... I dont find running around 100 miles behind the baseline like a crazed lunatic overly excited. I want to watch tennis, not running. Whilst I respect the effort these players but into their physical game, I prefer more attacking, 'wow' shot players.

Burrow
05-11-2007, 10:36 PM
Cakewalk draw.

cakewalk? wtf kind of word is that.

Burrow
05-11-2007, 10:37 PM
I don't mind clay...

It's more the way most clay court players play the game... I dont find running around 100 miles behind the baseline like a crazed lunatic overly excited. I want to watch tennis, not running. Whilst I respect the effort these players but into their physical game, I prefer more attacking, 'wow' shot players.

like guccione? :tape:

GlennMirnyi
05-11-2007, 10:38 PM
cakewalk? wtf kind of word is that.

Time to get into some tennis slangs mate.

like guccione? :tape:

Guccione would be a top 30-40 in the 90s.

Johnny Groove
05-11-2007, 11:00 PM
Guccione would be a top 30-40 in the 90s.

Which shows you how much of a joke the 90's were :rolls:

GonzoFed
05-12-2007, 01:56 AM
I don't have a problem a clay, or any surface in particular, furthermore i think is great this variety of surfaces since makes tennis interesting. Just i'm wondering why the 90% (aproximate figures) of the fans of the top clay court players (Nadal, and before that the weasel) are a bunch of fucking morons and retards.

RonE
05-12-2007, 07:26 PM
Well it just goes to show that clay sucks when you have a player like Kolya playing so fantastically well striking the ball so sweetly dictating a large portion of the points and still ends up losing :sad:

RickDaStick
05-12-2007, 07:28 PM
Another classic clay court battle today. About 30 breaks of serve and numerous chokes.

Neely
05-12-2007, 07:35 PM
Yeah, just a few more weeks until a yearly, really rough period is over... and until "How many sets will Rafa lose during the rest of the claycourt season?" will turn into "How many sets will Federer surrender during his Halle/Wimbledon double?" :lol:


No seriously, basically you're only changing from one domination into the other, but what counts most for me is the surface which has exactly that color and which shows us a different style of play! :yippee:

RonE
05-12-2007, 07:39 PM
Yeah, just a few more weeks until a yearly, really rough period is over... and until "How many sets will Rafa lose during the rest of the claycourt season?" will turn into "How many sets will Federer surrender during his Halle/Wimbledon double?" :lol:


No seriously, basically you're only changing from one domination into the other, but what counts most for me is the surface which has exactly that color and which shows us a different style of play! :yippee:


You hit the nail right on the head there :yeah:

If Nadal had a nicer playing style I wouldn't mind him dominating either- I actually almost even enjoyed RG when Kuerten was in his prime :)

Neely
05-12-2007, 08:01 PM
RonE, you already did the clay season whine thread now. Let's think advance now: we need somebody worthy to start the annual "let's welcome the grass season thread". Of course, I would be available for that honor, but I did it already twice in 2004 and 2005.

Conita
05-12-2007, 08:03 PM
You hit the nail right on the head there :yeah:

If Nadal had a nicer playing style I wouldn't mind him dominating either- I actually almost even enjoyed RG when Kuerten was in his prime :)

Guga :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
oh how i miss him :sad:

*Viva Chile*
05-12-2007, 08:25 PM
Yeah, just a few more weeks until a yearly, really rough period is over... and until "How many sets will Rafa lose during the rest of the claycourt season?" will turn into "How many sets will Federer surrender during his Halle/Wimbledon double?" :lol:


No seriously, basically you're only changing from one domination into the other, but what counts most for me is the surface which has exactly that color and which shows us a different style of play! :yippee:

grass :yawn:

RonE
05-12-2007, 08:41 PM
RonE, you already did the clay season whine thread now. Let's think advance now: we need somebody worthy to start the annual "let's welcome the grass season thread". Of course, I would be available for that honor, but I did it already twice in 2004 and 2005.

I would be deeply honoured to do so however I think it is only fair I let someone else do it- perhaps GlennMirnyi? ;)

RonE
05-12-2007, 08:42 PM
grass :yawn:

Wrong thread dude- you will have your chance to whine about the grass in 5 weeks time ;)

Andre'sNo1Fan
05-12-2007, 09:13 PM
Well it just goes to show that clay sucks when you have a player like Kolya playing so fantastically well striking the ball so sweetly dictating a large portion of the points and still ends up losing :sad:
If he is not good enough to end the point and finish or close out the crucial points, then he don't deserve to win jack :rolleyes:

Sunset of Age
05-12-2007, 10:27 PM
I'm already busy designing my new avatar for July :p
No offense meant, anyone. I happen to enjoy the clay just as much as the grass - different surfaces for varying tastes! :angel:

Sunset of Age
05-12-2007, 11:54 PM
^^^ @ the pic...:haha: :yeah:

Thank you, Kelli. I just... couldn't help myself when I snatched that particular pic from the net! :angel:

RonE
05-17-2007, 06:34 PM
Now that King Oscar has been knocked out of Hamburg the clay sucks even more :bigcry:

rofe
05-17-2007, 07:41 PM
Now that King Oscar has been knocked out of Hamburg the clay sucks even more :bigcry:

You have to be forward thinking like the King himself. :rolleyes:

Look at the big picture. It is all about Wimbledon.

RogiFan88
05-17-2007, 07:41 PM
Wrong thread dude- you will have your chance to whine about the grass in 5 weeks time ;)

with GWH... :p

RogiFan88
05-17-2007, 07:42 PM
Ron, I actually like the clay season, despite someone hogging the titles so far... :lol:

rofe
05-17-2007, 07:53 PM
Ron, I actually like the clay season, despite someone hogging the titles so far... :lol:

I wonder if that pun was intended...:D

The_Nadal_effect
05-17-2007, 08:11 PM
I'm already busy designing my new avatar for July :p
No offense meant, anyone. I happen to enjoy the clay just as much as the grass - different surfaces for varying tastes! :angel:

I'd really like to see a face on an avatar again;). Maybe just for a change.
Why are all in MTF (maybe the Perv Squad) so keen to derobe their icons. As someone rightly said, MTF=Tardville!

RonE
05-17-2007, 08:11 PM
I wonder if that pun was intended...:D

What do you think? :angel:

RonE
05-17-2007, 08:13 PM
Eh Karin, no offence intended but there are many nicer things to look at than Nadal's brownrose IMHO :scared: :p

Johnny Groove
05-17-2007, 08:20 PM
Eh Karin, no offence intended but there are many nicer things to look at than Nadal's brownrose IMHO :scared: :p

Well what's she gonna do? Look at Roger's? :o

RonE
05-17-2007, 08:32 PM
Well what's she gonna do? Look at Roger's? :o

Gross dude :o

Hingis' on the other hand.... :aplot:

Johnny Groove
05-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Gross dude :o

Hingis' on the other hand.... :aplot:

Maybe we should ask IvanLjubicic for his stash of Serena booty pics :tape:

RogiFan88
05-17-2007, 08:42 PM
I wonder if that pun was intended...:D

Pun, what pun? :p

RonE
05-17-2007, 08:44 PM
Maybe we should ask IvanLjubicic for his stash of Serena booty pics :tape:

:lol:

Serena's is a bit too much but Hingis has a sweet ass :hearts: :drool:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~aparish/martina_other/hingis2.jpg

Johnny Groove
05-17-2007, 08:49 PM
:lol:

Serena's is a bit too much but Hingis has a sweet ass :hearts: :drool:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~aparish/martina_other/hingis2.jpg

:drool:

never really noticed the Hingis ass (or any other on the WTA as it is SUCH a joke :o), but Im a new fan :inlove:

Sean.J.S.
05-18-2007, 08:49 AM
Clay is gay. No need to compliment my poetic skills. :cool:

Medina
05-18-2007, 08:52 AM
Well the reason i hate clay, is because any Tournament that Nadal is in he wins. It gets to boring. Him and Federer are the most boring people on tour now (i use to like Nadal).

bokehlicious
05-18-2007, 08:59 AM
clay is for beggars, grass is for kings...

leng jai
05-18-2007, 09:02 AM
The clay season has it's entertainment value - so many clowns showing us how its done on the dirt.

Morgan Z
05-18-2007, 01:57 PM
Not long to go before the real thing starts. Surbiton is just two weeks away.

Pfloyd
05-18-2007, 02:01 PM
I bet if Federer wins the French the ttile of this thread would change to: "Long live the clay!"

RonE
05-18-2007, 02:39 PM
I bet if Federer wins the French the ttile of this thread would change to: "Long live the clay!"

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=5220653&postcount=83
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=5140988&postcount=67

Absolutely not. Hell will freeze over first. I hate that tournament and I always will :)

Learn to use the search tool ;)

The_Nadal_effect
05-18-2007, 02:55 PM
Not long to go before the real thing starts. Surbiton is just two weeks away.


The 'real' thing lasts for three weeks:eek: . Then, its all 'unreal' till the next year. The least that grass'tards' could do is file a petition to ATP seeking a TMS or two on grass.

RonE
05-18-2007, 02:59 PM
The 'real' thing lasts for three weeks:eek: . Then, its all 'unreal' till the next year. The least that grass'tards' could do is file a petition to ATP seeking a TMS or two on grass.

Nah, having one of the clay TMSes scrapped in 09 is good enough for now. At last some progress is made to evolve the game into something more normal. Baby steps my dear Watson, baby steps :devil:

The_Nadal_effect
05-18-2007, 03:03 PM
Nah, having one of the clay TMSes scrapped in 09 is good enough for now. At last some progress is made to evolve the game into something more normal. Baby steps my dear Watson, baby steps :devil:

:lol:
Oh, but that would be too slow. No wonder R=FK likens grass and everything to do with it to a dinosaur. Stop proving him right:D .

Deivid23
05-18-2007, 06:15 PM
"Booo, mods, Just Cause creates threads that hurt my feelings, please delete them, booo"

:haha:

Grow up, dude

Xavidbz
05-18-2007, 07:13 PM
clay is for beggars, grass is for kings...

Robredo disagrees with you:

He said grass is for cows in '05 Wimbledon. :devil:

Morgan Z
05-19-2007, 01:59 AM
The 'real' thing lasts for three weeks:eek: . Then, its all 'unreal' till the next year. The least that grass'tards' could do is file a petition to ATP seeking a TMS or two on grass.

No, it's not unreal till the next year.

There are Challengers and Futures on grass in Britain and Australia. :D Not the same thing as Tour tennis, of course, but I would rather watch a Futures on grass than Roland Garros.

RonE
05-19-2007, 04:39 PM
As if any further proof were needed that clay sucks the Hamburg semifinals have produced back to back horror shows of something that some people actually have the nerve to call tennis :help: :rolleyes:

RonE
05-19-2007, 04:41 PM
No, it's not unreal till the next year.

There are Challengers and Futures on grass in Britain and Australia. :D Not the same thing as Tour tennis, of course, but I would rather watch a Futures on grass than Roland Garros.

:yeah:

Let's hope there are enough futures during RG to keep us numb enough so as not to witness any more horror "tennis". If there are any chronic clay-hating alcoholics here I strongly suggest now is the time to go bottoms up :drink:

t0x
05-19-2007, 05:02 PM
As if any further proof were needed that clay sucks the Hamburg semifinals have produced back to back horror shows of something that some people actually have the nerve to call tennis :help: :rolleyes:

yep yep....

quality of tennis this entire week has been horrible for a TMS.

have to hope the final somehow improves this.

RonE
05-19-2007, 05:05 PM
yep yep....

quality of tennis this entire week has been horrible for a TMS.

have to hope the final somehow improves this.

You know quite well that is not going to happen :help: :help: :help:

gebl
05-19-2007, 07:46 PM
:yeah:

Let's hope there are enough futures during RG to keep us numb enough so as not to witness any more horror "tennis". If there are any chronic clay-hating alcoholics here I strongly suggest now is the time to go bottoms up :drink:


the appropriate drink for clay-hating alcoholics, especially at Roland Garros, should be bourbon (in honour of the Bourbon king Louis XIII's "ennuyons-nous ensemble")

Metis
05-19-2007, 08:27 PM
A song appropriate for this thread:

:singer:
Let him whine
He can do without you baby (=clay)
It's too late for him to say he was wrong
Let him whine
Just let him go crazy
It's too late now what's done is done
Just let him whine :music:


:p

RonE
05-19-2007, 08:36 PM
A song appropriate for this thread:

:singer:
Let him whine
He can do without you baby (=clay)
It's too late for him to say he was wrong
Let him whine
Just let him go crazy
It's too late now what's done is done
Just let him whine :music:


:p

Thank you and continue whining is exactly what I intend to do :p

Clay sucks!!! :rocker2: :D

dylan24
05-19-2007, 08:52 PM
my bitch and moan for the week.
i lost 4 f'ing parlays this week w/ the only loser being a favorite who lost in 3rd set tb
youzhny
and 3 bitches: maurlesbo,bacsinzky and olaru
120 unit swing by losing these 4 parlays

RonE
05-19-2007, 08:55 PM
^See? Clay sucks because you lose money when betting on players playing on it :help:

Merton
05-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Question: How do you become a millionaire betting like Dylan?
Answer: You start off as a billionaire and work your way from there.

R.Federer
05-19-2007, 10:36 PM
Question: How do you become a millionaire betting like Dylan?
Answer: You start off as a billionaire and work your way from there.

Original, due to Branson.

How do you become a millionaire?
Answer (Richard Branson): You take a billionaire and start Virgin Airlines and you will get there.

Merton
05-20-2007, 01:33 AM
Original, due to Branson.

How do you become a millionaire?
Answer (Richard Branson): You take a billionaire and start Virgin Airlines and you will get there.

I actually paraphrased from a Warren Buffet annual report in the 90s (don't remember the year) where he was explaining his decision to buy equity on US Airways: How do you become a milionaire? You start as a billionaire and you buy airline stocks. The original might be Branson, I don't know.

Johnny Groove
05-20-2007, 01:37 AM
my bitch and moan for the week.
i lost 4 f'ing parlays this week w/ the only loser being a favorite who lost in 3rd set tb
youzhny
and 3 bitches: maurlesbo,bacsinzky and olaru
120 unit swing by losing these 4 parlays

^See? Clay sucks because you lose money when betting on players playing on it :help:

Well, dylan loses money regardless of surface, so this fact is irrelevent :lol:

RickDaStick
05-20-2007, 01:38 AM
Clay is teh suck

azza
05-20-2007, 02:23 AM
Clays over in basically 2 weeks :banana: