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Jarkko Nieminen goes to army

Bobby
04-18-2007, 08:29 AM
I don't know if you're interested, but this was in a Finnish newspaper today. I'll translate the main points of the article.

"Jarkko Nieminen is going to complete his military service:

Nieminen will start his military service in October in a town called Lahti in Finland. By doing this, he will choose a different path than most of the Finnish top athletes.

Nieminen says, that he considers the military service to be a question of honour for him and he will enter the service with an open mind. Nieminen hasn't been able to complete the military service earlier, but he says that he never thought about skipping it totally.

His military service will last 180 days. The shortest time possible. The Finnish defence forces have been very co-operative and Jarkko's service schedule will be constructed so that it will disturb his tennis career as little as possible. Nieminen says that he is very happy about this. "

Some of you may not know, but military service in Finland is something that every man has to do at some point. If you don't complete military service or civil service, you will go to jail. But the defence forces are usually very co-operative with the top athletes.

Just thought some of you might be interested...

its.like.that
04-18-2007, 08:33 AM
Thanks for sharing.

Would love to see some pics when the time comes around.

:D

LocoPorElTenis
04-18-2007, 08:48 AM
I disagree with this - Jarkko is at the top of his tennis powers, so he should focus on tennis now and do military or civil service in a few years. Of course, I respect his choice :wavey: .

Hagar
04-18-2007, 08:49 AM
I Some of you may not know, but military service in Finland is something that every man has to do at some point. If you don't complete military service or civil service, you will go to jail.

Well, it used to be like that in Belgium and other European countries as well. Unfortunately, it was abolished and I think that is a bad thing. I think it is good to dedicate a short part of your life to your country. I think it should be compulsory for every young man and woman.

anttik
04-18-2007, 09:15 AM
Bobby - from which newspaper did you read the news?

That will be really bad thing to Jarkko.
Although i think that the defence forces in Finland will be very co-operative with Jarkko and he can take part to many tennis tournaments.

Although i remember one top finnish tennisplayer in eighties - Leo Palin - who started play better tennis when he was in army in Finland.

Kolya
04-18-2007, 09:18 AM
Interesting...

basil333
04-18-2007, 09:20 AM
Shahar Peer is currently serving in the Army AND playing on the tour (sorry to discuss a WTA player here - but I think its sort of on topic) - she has stated that the pride and discipline and Army training has strengthened her tennis career...

Hopefully the same will happen here with Jarkko

anttik
04-18-2007, 09:49 AM
I read from finnish tennisforum that Jarkko will probably do his military service in two parts - first part during winter 07/08 and second part during winter 08/09.

That would be the best way for Jarkko and his tennis career.

Bobby
04-18-2007, 10:15 AM
Bobby - from which newspaper did you read the news?

That will be really bad thing to Jarkko.
Although i think that the defence forces in Finland will be very co-operative with Jarkko and he can take part to many tennis tournaments.

Although i remember one top finnish tennisplayer in eighties - Leo Palin - who started play better tennis when he was in army in Finland.

I read this from Ilta-Sanomat webpages. Yeh, I think the defence forces will be quite nice to him.

Dougie
04-18-2007, 10:23 AM
I disagree with this - Jarkko is at the top of his tennis powers, so he should focus on tennis now and do military or civil service in a few years. Of course, I respect his choice :wavey: .

Judging by his results, he´s not at the top of his powers at the moment. And anyway, in Finland you have to enter the military service at 28 years old, the latest. So Jarkko doesn´t have that much time. And it won´t be a big burden for him, I´d be surprised if he sleeps more than 2 nights in a barrack. It´s only us regular guys that actually have to spend at least 6 months in the army. ;)

Young 8
04-18-2007, 10:27 AM
Some of you may not know, but military service in Finland is something that every man has to do at some point. If you don't complete military service or civil service, you will go to jail. But the defence forces are usually very co-operative with the top athletes.



wow...this is surprising

I always thought Scandinavian nations were more "advanced" than then the rest of Europe

Young 8
04-18-2007, 10:28 AM
Well, it used to be like that in Belgium and other European countries as well. Unfortunately, it was abolished

thank god i say

Dougie
04-18-2007, 10:39 AM
wow...this is surprising

I always thought Scandinavian nations were more "advanced" than then the rest of Europe

Well, it´s a question that is a lot more difficult than that. Mostly the history, international politics and geographical position of Finland have been the biggest reasons for a need of credible military defence.

guille&tati4life
04-18-2007, 10:52 AM
thank god i say

I agree :yeah:

I doubt it will damage Nieminen's career much though.

Hagar
04-18-2007, 12:29 PM
thank god i say

You will never be a real man. :p

white&blue
04-18-2007, 12:47 PM
Unbeliveable! Jarkko could easily pass army like other finnish athletes. :( This so stupid from him. First he goes his high-school when others are on tour and now this.

Vass
04-18-2007, 12:50 PM
Well, it used to be like that in Belgium and other European countries as well. Unfortunately, it was abolished and I think that is a bad thing. I think it is good to dedicate a short part of your life to your country. I think it should be compulsory for every young man and woman.

I think it should be compulsory for all men to get pregnant as well... ;)


Jarkko, couldn't you find some other time to serve your country? You're doing it anyway, by having your country's flag fly above all studiums around the world and having "FIN" written beside your name everywhere.

Hagar
04-18-2007, 12:53 PM
I think it should be compulsory for all men to get pregnant as well... ;)

What a stupid remark. Becoming pregnant is a choice and optional whereas we all are citizens of a country, whether we are male or female.

mashamaniac
04-18-2007, 12:53 PM
thanks for the article bobby!

Or Levy
04-18-2007, 01:31 PM
Shahar Peer is currently serving in the Army AND playing on the tour (sorry to discuss a WTA player here - but I think its sort of on topic) - she has stated that the pride and discipline and Army training has strengthened her tennis career...

Hopefully the same will happen here with Jarkko


LOL, if you knew more about Shahar's army (or elite players army service in general) you'd know it isn't really on topic.

First of all, Israel's situation is not comparable to the rest of Europe, for obvious reasons, so I won't expand.

And we *still* don't *need* Shahar in the army, and same goes for elite (male or female) athlete who spend most of their time out of the country, mostly because their army service is a joke.

Shahar want to serve, and it is also expected of her (and it's still a mandatory service) - but no one in Israel is under any delusions that she's actually GOING to the army more than 4 hours every two months or so, most of the time she's out of Israel all together. And the army has nothing to do with a soldior who shows up that infrequently.

I dare say that Jarkko Nieminen's service is going to look a lot like Shahar's. One day in the army, three weeks out, otherwise he would drop in the ranking. And 180 days in the army would give him ziltch dicipline in comparison to life on the tour. He isn't shipping off to fight in Iraq, for pete's sake.

Shahar is playing in Israel's name, IMHO it's enough of a contribution, and I'm glad the army agrees and adjusts accordingly.

Rogiman
04-18-2007, 01:36 PM
What does Finland need an army for? :rolleyes:

Saumon
04-18-2007, 01:37 PM
Was Goran still an active player when he went to the army? :scratch:

CattyA
04-18-2007, 01:47 PM
What does Finland need an army for? :rolleyes:
Kindly take a look at the map and read about our history during the past 100 years (or more if you are interested).

CattyA
04-18-2007, 01:48 PM
Unbeliveable! Jarkko could easily pass army like other finnish athletes. :( This so stupid from him. First he goes his high-school when others are on tour and now this.
It's his life, not ours.

Bibir
04-18-2007, 01:57 PM
What does Finland need an army for? :rolleyes:
Peacekeeping missions around the world probably. Just like The Neutral Swiss armed forces! :p

Bobby
04-18-2007, 02:08 PM
Peacekeeping missions around the world probably. Just like The Neutral Swiss armed forces! :p

This is very off topic. But... Do you really think that every finnish man enters military service or civil service so that we can participate in the peacekeeping missions around the world? As mentioned by Dougie and CattyA, we do have reasons why we consider that we need a credible defence system.

LocoPorElTenis
04-18-2007, 02:09 PM
Kindly take a look at the map and read about our history during the past 100 years (or more if you are interested).

Sorry but what happened 60 years or 100 years ago is not very relevant today. Finland is under no military threat whatsoever.

What proportion of Finns pick civil service over military service?

Bobby
04-18-2007, 02:13 PM
Sorry but what happened 60 years or 100 years ago is not very relevant today. Finland is under no military threat whatsoever.

What proportion of Finns pick civil service over military service?

Roughly 80% completes the military service, 10% are realeased because of various reasons (health) and 7% goes to civil service.

Bibir
04-18-2007, 02:25 PM
This is very off topic. But... Do you really think that every finnish man enters military service or civil service so that we can participate in the peacekeeping missions around the world? As mentioned by Dougie and CattyA, we do have reasons why we consider that we need a credible defence system.
Hey I was kidding, that's why I talked about the swiss army. Actually, I don't know anything about your army.
Moi, I only know about all the successful international peacekeeping military missions around the world. :o

Bobby
04-18-2007, 02:29 PM
Hey I was kidding, that's why I talked about the swiss army. Actually, I don't know anything about your army.
Moi, I only know about all the successful international peacekeeping military missions around the world. :o

My Mistake. Sorry!

white&blue
04-18-2007, 08:14 PM
It's his life, not ours.


Yeah, I know and I respect his desicion, but he talks about getting top10 and stuff. I just think this isn't gonna help for that. It feels so unfair to give such an advantage to other players. Well, maybe tennis isn't the most important thing in his life.

But let's see first what happens...

hablovah19
04-18-2007, 08:22 PM
Wow.
I'm glad this is not the case in Canada.
Not that we have much of an army anyway - but Harper ( :rolleyes: ) is trying to change that.
All these commercials are springing up everywhere lately to encourage people to join the army.

MisterQ
04-18-2007, 08:25 PM
wow...this is surprising

I always thought Scandinavian nations were more "advanced" than then the rest of Europe

Out of curiosity, do most Finns consider themselves Scandinavian? Is there divided opinion on this? (Their linguistic background is so different than the those of the other nations, after all...)

Linque
04-18-2007, 08:35 PM
Out of curiosity, do most Finns consider themselves Scandinavian? Is there divided opinion on this? (Their linguistic background is so different than the those of the other nations, after all...)

We're not really part of Scandinavia, but when people, foreign and not, talk about scandinavia, they usually mean Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. Still, pretty much all finns know that we're not part of the definition of scandinavia.

Then, on topic:
The guys who complain about Nieminen's choice to go through the military service should wait and think for a second. Nieminen has other values than just playing tennis. He wanted to get educated, so he finished his high school, unlike many other athletes. He clearly is also patriotic and feels like it's his duty to do the same service as rest of the men in Finland do. I find that admirable, more so than a bad career move. I also believe he really does it because he wants to and feels like it really means something. Can you blame someone for that?

Nieminen has also stated many times that he ha has no interest in moving abroad to avoid taxes in Finland. The guy has principles and actually holds on to them and believes in them. Integrity is good, even if it hinders his ability to play tennis (which it probably won't) for a few months.

Lee
04-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Wow.
I'm glad this is not the case in Canada.
Not that we have much of an army anyway - but Harper ( :rolleyes: ) is trying to change that.
All these commercials are springing up everywhere lately to encourage people to join the army.


He's not forcing people into the army. And the Canadian army is really shorthanded just to do the peacekeeping duties.

Bayo
04-18-2007, 09:18 PM
What does Finland need an army for? :rolleyes:
Finland actually has an interesting military history, especially during WWII. And as someone else in this thread has already mentioned, geography and sharing a border with a former hostile nation most likely plays a key role in the history of required military service.

Thanks for the article. I'm a Jarkko fan so I hope he can manage his service and career.

hablovah19
04-18-2007, 09:26 PM
He's not forcing people into the army. And the Canadian army is really shorthanded just to do the peacekeeping duties.

Where did I say that Harper was forcing Canadians to join the army?
Do not put words in my mouth please.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 05:17 AM
Good for him that he is doing the military service, though he should have done this when he finished school, there may have been reasons for that. Michael Stich did his military service and so did Wayne Ferreira and didn't harm them too much.

It depends on what he will be doing, though he should be very fit by the end of it.

Rogiman, typical remark for you.

Dougie
04-19-2007, 05:40 AM
Good for him that he is doing the military service, though he should have done this when he finished school, there may have been reasons for that. Michael Stich did his military service and so did Wayne Ferreira and didn't harm them too much.

It depends on what he will be doing, though he should be very fit by the end of it.

Rogiman, typical remark for you.

Most men in Finland do their military service almost immediately after high school, that way it disturbs your life as little as possible, whether you´re a professional athlete, or just a normal student/worker.
I don´t think it will improve his fitness much though. He won´t be spending much time in the army anyway, and considering he is a professional athlete, I don´t think the army can improve his condition much.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 05:46 AM
Most men in Finland do their military service almost immediately after high school, that way it disturbs your life as little as possible, whether you´re a professional athlete, or just a normal student/worker.
I don´t think it will improve his fitness much though. He won´t be spending much time in the army anyway, and considering he is a professional athlete, I don´t think the army can improve his condition much.

Yes, I am aware of the military service thing as I was supposed to do it, but had an illness when they called me for the tests. It makes sense to do it then after finishing school.

It depends on what he will be doing, you can always improve your conditioning. Federer had to do something with the Swiss army, but he wasn't handling any weapons at all.

Lahti, is a shithole apart from the big ski jump there, maybe Jarkko can run and up and down that.

Gonzo Hates Me!
04-19-2007, 05:49 AM
Peace out Jarkko.... :tape:

El Legenda
04-19-2007, 05:59 AM
Was Goran still an active player when he went to the army? :scratch:

Ljubicic was active player and took time off for the military.

Labamba
04-19-2007, 06:07 AM
Not the best career move Jakke, but it's his decision, nobody is forcing him to do it. I agree with the principle, but the timing is off. The off-season should be about rest and getting ready for the new season, that means putting a lot of hours at the practise courts and not spending it in the army camps. Jarkko doesn't have that many good years left as a top athlete and he's done a lot of good for his country already as a Finnish tennis player carrying our flag. It will be interesting to see how much time he will actually spend in the service...

And I guess he doesn't want to spend too much time at home with his wife :lol:

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 06:11 AM
It will be interesting to see how much time he will actually spend in the service...

And I guess he doesn't want to spend too much time at home with his wife :lol:

Yes, I wonder what he will be doing? He should have gone to Utsjoki in the winter and trained running through the snow.

Allez
04-19-2007, 06:18 AM
I can't believe he's chosen to do this but I have to respect his choice. Serving your country is not synonymous with being in the army. That is just propaganda and the governments have done a pretty good job os selling it to the masses. Thank god there's no conscription here else I'd most probably be in Iraq forced to kill women and children. What a revolting thought :sad:

Labamba
04-19-2007, 06:37 AM
Lahti, is a shithole apart from the big ski jump there, maybe Jarkko can run and up and down that.

Hey, you're talking about my home town. :( :p

It's the city of the athletes with Litmanen and Ahonen for example coming from there.

Action Jackson
04-19-2007, 06:39 AM
Hey, you're talking about my home town. :( :p

It's the city of the athletes with Litmanen and Ahonen for example coming from there.

I thought you were from Mikkeli or somewhere near there. So apart from the huge ski jump, it has yourself Litmanen, Ahonen and Toni Nieminen then.

Labamba
04-19-2007, 06:41 AM
Yes, I wonder what he will be doing? He should have gone to Utsjoki in the winter and trained running through the snow.

Jarkko will go to the Defence Forces Sports School in Lahti. He will receive the military training of a reconnaissance scout and about half of his term of service consists of sports training. Here's an article about sportsmen in the Finnish defence forces:

http://www.mil.fi/liikunta/main.php?doc=index.ktoiminta.finnishdefenseforces

The service for Jarkko will start at the beginning of October on week 40, so I wonder if he's going to skip the whole indoor season (Stockholm, Madrid, St. Petersburg and Paris) this year. :rolleyes:

Bobby
04-19-2007, 07:01 AM
Not the best career move Jakke, but it's his decision, nobody is forcing him to do it. I agree with the principle, but the timing is off. The off-season should be about rest and getting ready for the new season, that means putting a lot of hours at the practise courts and not spending it in the army camps. Jarkko doesn't have that many good years left as a top athlete and he's done a lot of good for his country already as a Finnish tennis player carrying our flag. It will be interesting to see how much time he will actually spend in the service...

And I guess he doesn't want to spend too much time at home with his wife :lol:

Not the best time for the military service, I agree. But law is a law. Then again, the defence forces probably don't require much from him. He'll learn how to use a rifle, other than that he'll probably visit Lahti for a day or two whenever he's in Finland.

I think Jarkko's military service is mostly a publicity thing. This way the defence forces receive some good publicity by showing that they are flexible and kind to the top athletes. And Jarkko can also do his duty. Other than that, Jarkko's military service is a joke compared to the average guy's military service.

alfonsojose
04-19-2007, 12:55 PM
Jarko taking a shower naked in the barracs :drool: :drool:

CattyA
04-19-2007, 01:57 PM
I can't believe he's chosen to do this but I have to respect his choice. Serving your country is not synonymous with being in the army. That is just propaganda and the governments have done a pretty good job os selling it to the masses. Thank god there's no conscription here else I'd most probably be in Iraq forced to kill women and children. What a revolting thought :sad:
Just to make it clear(er) to everyone. There is no actual army in Finland. We have defence forces whose purpose is to protect us, not to take part in conflicts on foreign soil. We do have UN peacekeepers. The word army is generally used, though.

Dougie
04-19-2007, 02:30 PM
Just to make it clear(er) to everyone. There is no actual army in Finland. We have defence forces whose purpose is to protect us, not to take part in conflicts on foreign soil. We do have UN peacekeepers. The word army is generally used, though.

Yeah, it´s good to clear that up. :yeah: So the fact that Nieminen goes to "army" DOESN`T mean he´ll be shooting women and children in Iraq anytime soon..

kevinwilly
04-20-2007, 08:56 AM
Have a good trip! :worship:

el güero
04-20-2007, 10:20 AM
If Jarkko is so patriotic, he should've chosen civil service. Civil servants are the guys really helping and protecting the people, not those who are running in the woods playing war-games.

Labamba
12-05-2007, 05:45 PM
Jarkko has been doing his military service for a month now. He said it's been an interesting experience so far. Here's a few pics:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/Talvinho/Tennis%20pics/1135232245601.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/Talvinho/Tennis%20pics/5477585_jpg_11328c.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/Talvinho/Tennis%20pics/id91544_1.jpg

Ragayan
12-05-2007, 07:04 PM
where did you find the pics?

Scotso
12-06-2007, 03:06 AM
That's hot :drool:

Action Jackson
12-06-2007, 05:17 AM
Should be really fit and ready to go for 2008.

Mateya
12-06-2007, 02:48 PM
Yeah, things like this can make you physicaly and more than all mentaly tougher ;) I mean, in that bounch of people you can realize how happy you can be to play tennis for living and make a lot of money. So that should give you more motivation to come out of army and do your best on tennis court :rocker2:
Army would do some good to a lot of spoiled youngsters.

VAMOS Jarko :rocker2:

Iván
12-06-2007, 02:49 PM
Captain Nemo

Rogiman
12-06-2007, 02:56 PM
Should be really fit and ready to go for 2008.

Yeah, things like this can make you physicaly and more than all mentaly tougher ;) I mean, in that bounch of people you can realize how happy you can be to play tennis for living and make a lot of money. So that should give you more motivation to come out of army and do your best on tennis court :rocker2:

VAMOS Jarko :rocker2:I've never been a professional athlete, but I can guarantee you the last thing these guys need for their physical/mental toughness is a military service.

In fact, my fitness had been much better before my time in the army.
Lack of sleep and bad nutrition hurt your performance.

alfonsojose
12-06-2007, 03:22 PM
Go, sexy legs :drool: