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Challenger Challenge 2017 - Managers thread

Challenger challenge 2017 schedule:
- Any Tournaments with a asterisk (*) mean that a certain Challenger Challenge has two weeks of tournaments!

January
Challenger Challenge 1: Happy Valley, Noumea, Bangkok I (75,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 2: Canberra, Bangkok II (75,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 3: Koblenz, Rennes, Maui* (85,000€)- Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 4: Dallas, Burnie, Quimper (125,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan

February
Challenger Challenge 5: San Francisco, Launceston, Budapest (100,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 6: Tempe, Cherbourg (75,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 7: Bergamo, Morelos, Kyoto (64,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 8: Wroclaw, Yokohama (85,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers

March
Challenger Challenge 9: Santiago, Zhuhai (50,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 10: Irving, Drummondville, Shenzhen, Buenos Aires (150,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 11: Quanzhou, Guadalajara (50,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 12: Leon, St. Brieuc (75,000) - Manager: jervisjames

April
Challenger Challenge 13: Sophia Antipolis, Panama City (64,000€) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 14: Barleta, San Luis Potosi (50,000) - Manager: jervisjames
Challenger Challenge 15: Taipei, Qingdao, Sarasota (125,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 16: Anning, Tallahassee, Francavilla (150,000) - Manager: francepes

May
Challenger Challenge 17: Savannah, Ostrava, Gimcheon (75,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 18: Aix en Provence, Seoul, Karshi, Rome (127,000€) - Manager: francepes
Challenger Challenge 19: Busan, Bordeaux, Samarkand, Heilbronn (150,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 20: Shymkent, Mestre, Vicenza* (50,000) - Manager: francepes

June
Challenger Challenge 21: Prostejov, Surbiton, Furth (127,000€) - Manager: francepes
Challenger Challenge 22: Caltanissetta, Nottingham, Lyon, Lisbon (127,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 23: Ilkley, Fergana, Poprad-Tatry, Blois, Todi (127,000€) - Manager: francepes

July
Challenger Challenge 24: Milan, Recanati, Marburg* (43,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 25: Braunschweig, Winnetka, Bastad, Winnipeg, Medellin, Perugia (127,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 26: Astana, Poznan, San Benedetto, Scheveningen, Gatineau (125,000$) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 27: Granby, Binghamton, Cortina, Prague, Tampere (100,000$) - Manager: francepes

August
Challenger Challenge 28: Chengdu, Biella, Segovia, Lexington, Liberec (125,000$) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 29: Jinan, Aptos, Bucaramanga, Portoroz (150,000$) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 30: Santo Domingo, Vancouver, Cordenons, Meerbusch (125,000$) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 31: Manerbio, Bangkok 3, Quito, Como* (50,000$) - Manager:

WINNERS:
CC#1: Ezequiel Pereyra (1)
CC#2: rusca_djokerfan (1)
CC#3: PortlandTimbers (1)
CC#4: rjd (1)
CC#5: CristyRVD (1)
CC#6: CristyRVD (2), diego36arg (1), Ezequiel Pereyra (2), rjd (2), rus59 (1)
CC#7: CristyRVD (3)
CC#8: rjd (3), Leozinhoshow (1)
CC#9: AvidTennisFan (1)
CC#10: rusca_djokerfan (2)
CC#11: Transcender (1), manuromero90 (1)
CC#12: Szymon (1)
CC#13: Transcender (2)
CC#14: jervisjames (1)
CC#15: Ezequiel Pereyra (3), Markmik (1), PortlandTimbers (2)
CC#16: Szymon (2)
CC#17: Markmik (2)
CC#18: PortlandTimbers (3)
CC#19: Markmik (3)
CC#20: rusca_djokerfan (3)
CC#21: Chungminator (1)
CC#22: Ezequiel Pereyra (4)
CC#23: francepes (1)
CC#24: PortlandTimbers (4)
CC#25:
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2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
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Re: Challenger Challenge 2017 - Managers thread

Hi, @BMT360 , @PortlandTimbers are you here for managing this year. I will edit first post with all tournaments this year. I can manage first 2 weeks of season.

Turned pro: February 2016.
TT singles ranking: 49.(40.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 2:2 (Tulsa, Szeczin ; Puebla, Monterrey)
2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
FITD ranking: 22. FITD titles: Kitzbuhel 2016
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Re: Challenger Challenge 2017 - Managers thread

Hi @rusca_djokerfan , thanks for taking initiative here.
Yep, I am here and ready to manage. I could take weeks 3 (probably consisting of both AO weeks) and 4.

Captain Meerkat keeps an up to date calendar in this thread:
2017 Calendar
Maybe, you just want to copy it from there.

@BMT360 : According to the following post, the ranking point structure has been changed.
2017 Calendar
I guess, we need an updated formula for our own ranking system, too.
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@BMT360 : According to the following post, the ranking point structure has been changed.
2017 Calendar
I guess, we need an updated formula for our own ranking system, too.
I am here to manage also, but would like to wait until February to do that.

Yes, I saw that new ranking system. It seems that they just added another level challenger, so it wouldn't require any ranking changes from last year.

However, I am totally open to ideas on a better ranking system you guys see flaws within it.
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Hi @rusca_djokerfan , thanks for taking initiative here.
Yep, I am here and ready to manage. I could take weeks 3 (probably consisting of both AO weeks) and 4.

Captain Meerkat keeps an up to date calendar in this thread:
2017 Calendar
Maybe, you just want to copy it from there.

@BMT360 : According to the following post, the ranking point structure has been changed.
2017 Calendar
I guess, we need an updated formula for our own ranking system, too.
I will edit first page, but I am not sure to put weeks with 2 tournaments stay as one week or merge with week before or after. I am not sure what is better for game to have less or more 2week tournaments.

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I am here to manage also, but would like to wait until February to do that.

Yes, I saw that new ranking system. It seems that they just added another level challenger, so it wouldn't require any ranking changes from last year.

However, I am totally open to ideas on a better ranking system you guys see flaws within it.
What do you think that ranking system depends on number of tournaments in that week. Also if we stay with this type of ranking, i have some ideas to improve points system.

Turned pro: February 2016.
TT singles ranking: 49.(40.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 2:2 (Tulsa, Szeczin ; Puebla, Monterrey)
2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
FITD ranking: 22. FITD titles: Kitzbuhel 2016
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I think that two tournaments per 'challenger challenge' is the minimum. You can choose how you want to merge the weeks with one challenger. (Add to week before, add to week after, etc)

Regarding ranking changes, all changes need to be discussed before the new year, because changing the ranking system requires a lot of time for me.

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Re: Challenger Challenge 2017 - Managers thread

Challenger challenge 2017 schedule:
- Any Tournaments with a asterisk (*) mean that a certain Challenger Challenge has two weeks of tournaments!

January
Challenger Challenge 1: Happy Valley, Noumea, Bangkok I (75,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 2: Canberra, Bangkok II (75,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 3: Koblenz, Rennes, Maui* (85,000€)- Manager: PortlandTimbers Winner:
Challenger Challenge 4: Dallas, Burnie, Quimper (125,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan

February
Challenger Challenge 5: San Francisco, Launceston, Budapest (100,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 6: Tempe, Cherbourg (75,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 7: Bergamo, Morelos, Kyoto (64,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 8: Wroclaw, Yokohama (85,000€) - Manager: PortlandTimbers

March
Challenger Challenge 9: Santiago, Zhuhai (50,000) - Manager: PortlandTimbers
Challenger Challenge 10: Irving, Drummondville, Shenzhen, Buenos Aires (150,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 11: Quanzhou, Guadalajara (50,000) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 12: Leon, St. Brieuc (75,000) - Manager: jervisjames

April
Challenger Challenge 13: Sophia Antipolis, Panama City (64,000€) - Manager: rusca_djokerfan
Challenger Challenge 14: Barleta, San Luis Potosi (50,000) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 15: Taipei, Qingdao, Sarasota (125,000) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 16: Anning, Tallahassee, Francavilla (150,000) - Manager:

May
Challenger Challenge 17: Savannah, Ostrava, Gimcheon (75,000) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 18: Aix en Provence, Seoul, Karshi, Rome (127,000€) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 19: Busan, Bordeaux, Samarkand, Heilbronn (150,000) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 20: Shymkent, Mestre, Vicenza* (50,000) - Manager:

June
Challenger Challenge 21: Prostejov, Surbiton, Furth (127,000€) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 22: Caltanissetta, Nottingham, Lyon, Lisbon (127,000€) - Manager:
Challenger Challenge 23: Ilkley, Fergana, Poprad-Tatry, Blois, Todi (127,000€) - Manager:

Turned pro: February 2016.
TT singles ranking: 49.(40.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 2:2 (Tulsa, Szeczin ; Puebla, Monterrey)
2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
FITD ranking: 22. FITD titles: Kitzbuhel 2016

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Code:
#	150K	125K	100K	75K	50K

1	80	70	60	55	50
2	60	55	45	40	35
3	45	40	35	30	27
4	35	30	27	22	20
5	27	22	20	15	15
6	20	15	15	11	11
7	15	11	11	8	8
8	11	8	8	6	6
9	8	6	6	5	5
10	6	5	5	4	4
11	5	4	4	3	3
12	4	3	3	2	2
13	3	2	2	1	1
14	2	1	1	0	0
15	1	0	0	0	0
@BMT360
@PortlandTimbers
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Turned pro: February 2016.
TT singles ranking: 49.(40.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 2:2 (Tulsa, Szeczin ; Puebla, Monterrey)
2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
FITD ranking: 22. FITD titles: Kitzbuhel 2016
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Happy new year to everyone!

Thanks for your suggestion.

I'd be fine with it. Just two further thoughts:
- Is 150k only for 150k+H or is there no difference for you?
- No differentation between 125k and 100k after #6 and no differentation between 75k and 50k after #5. Is there a specific reason why you want to change that compared to last years point distribution?
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Happy new year to everyone!

Thanks for your suggestion.

I'd be fine with it. Just two further thoughts:
- Is 150k only for 150k+H or is there no difference for you?
- No differentation between 125k and 100k after #6 and no differentation between 75k and 50k after #5. Is there a specific reason why you want to change that compared to last years point distribution?
Yes, no difference between 150K and 150K+H. Even, I don't know what H means
I think last year was bad because differences between places wasn't consistent. For example:
for 125K+H last year:
1. 75
2. 60
3. 50
4. 45
5. 30

difference between third and fourth is 5 points, and between fourth and fifth is 15 points. That isn't consistent. Diferences between places need to decrease

Turned pro: February 2016.
TT singles ranking: 49.(40.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 2:2 (Tulsa, Szeczin ; Puebla, Monterrey)
2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
FITD ranking: 22. FITD titles: Kitzbuhel 2016
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H means Hospitality.

For ATP ranking points there is a difference. Actually 150k tournaments have the same point distribution as 125k+H. 150k+H has a higher points. But we don't have to follow the rules of ATP.

I understand your point. I am fine with your suggestions.

Let's wait and see what BMT360 thinks of it.
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Yes, also we need to define how many points gets for the bonus. I think 300 points is good.

Turned pro: February 2016.
TT singles ranking: 49.(40.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 2:2 (Tulsa, Szeczin ; Puebla, Monterrey)
2017: Challengers: 1:0 (Rennes)
TT doubles ranking: 59.(51.) best results:
2016: Challengers: 5:3 (Busan (w/a1canada), Chengdu, Szeczin, Budapest, Mouilleron Le Captif (w/Le Luka Erceg) ; Torino (w/a1canada), Tulsa, Monterrey (w/Le Luka Erceg)
ATP: 0:1 ( ; Bastad)
2017: ATP: 1:0 (Sao Paulo)
PAW ranking: 8.Titles: Chengdu 2016
Suicide ranking: 38. best results: Title Washington 2016, RU Nice, Atlanta
FITD ranking: 22. FITD titles: Kitzbuhel 2016
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So PortlandTimbers manage CC#3. We need to decide points distribution and make rankings. BMT360 do you want to make rankings for this year ?
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So PortlandTimbers manage CC#3. We need to decide points distribution and make rankings. BMT360 do you want to make rankings for this year ?
Yes, I will update rankings tonight using ranking system from last year. It can always be changed. I've been studying pretty much non-stop for midterm exams and totally forgot.
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I'll open the thread tomorrow. Main Draw ceremony is tomorrow not until 6pm CET and MD play does not start until Tuesday.
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