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What does Andy need to do to become the best?

Andy needs to improve to become the best player he can be, we all know that but, what needs the most improvement ?

Net skills? Return of Serve? Baseline game? Backhand? Constructing points? etc..

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Re: What does Andy need to do to become the best?

His net skills and backhand are slowly and steadily improving.

The return of serve could use a lot of work, which he is starting to realize. It would be good if he could confidently take some serves a bit earlier and cut off angles when they are out wide.

Most importantly, imo, he needs to improve his performance on clay, with patience, consistency, point contruction...
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yea... pretty much what you guys have said is exactly what I'd say.

Also, with his patience he's just gotta keep working on staying calm and not letting things get to him. He's already a LOT better but when calls don't go his way and things aren't going the way he might want, he's gotta keep learning to just stay calm and ride through it and play his game.

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His net skills and backhand are slowly and steadily improving.

The return of serve could use a lot of work, which he is starting to realize. It would be good if he could confidently take some serves a bit earlier and cut off angles when they are out wide.

Most importantly, imo, he needs to improve his performance on clay, with patience, consistency, point contruction...
Good points MisterQ but, I would expect nothing less from you...


Honestly, improving in any area isn't a bad thing. If Roddick's serve got 10mph faster, that might help his game alot, then again it might not. The point is, what does A-Rod really needs to do to gain an edge on his opponents. What's the thing that is loosing him the most matches? I would guess that it is the return of serve. But, I was polling you A-Rod experts to see what you think..

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If I had to pick ONE thing, I would say the return. He misses a lot of second serves in the net still, but so far this year, he is returning much better than even at the end of last year. He did say that it's important to him to do that and that he and Brad have worked on the return, and I definitely have seen it thusfar this year.

Movement, also, just having the luxury to have more time to set up shots, minimize errors, etc. etc. I think have cost him at important points during matches in the past.

I also think just more variety. He can get into matches with people who can block back his serve and then attack his backhand and this gives him trouble. I loved the 98mph off-pacer with the serve-volley on MP against Koubek last week... he has some opponents like Agassi, Roger, Nalbandian, Henman, etc., who've got him figured out so he's gotta keep developing and adding variety so that he can throw these guys off.

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Consistently beat Federer.
well nice theory... but he's gotta improve on all this stuff to be able to do that

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yea... pretty much what you guys have said is exactly what I'd say.

Also, with his patience he's just gotta keep working on staying calm and not letting things get to him. He's already a LOT better but when calls don't go his way and things aren't going the way he might want, he's gotta keep learning to just stay calm and ride through it and play his game.
Good point, I didn't even think of that Bunk. I kinda like fiery A-Rod better like in that US Open Roddick vs.Hewitt match...

Alright...Alright..that's probably what helped him loose that but, I don't want him to become the "Pete of Emotions" out there. I want to see some emotion from him, that's what really made me an A-Rod fan...

It's not about not showing the emotion or not getting worked up. It's what you do with the emotion. Jimmy Connors would use it to get the crowd into it and get pumped up. Johnny Mac would get really angry and really focused. So you don't have to be cold as ice out there. You just can't let your emotions negatively affect your play, I think that is true..

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Consistently beat Federer.
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If I had to pick ONE thing, I would say the return. He misses a lot of second serves in the net still, but so far this year, he is returning much better than even at the end of last year. He did say that it's important to him to do that and that he and Brad have worked on the return, and I definitely have seen it thusfar this year.

Movement, also, just having the luxury to have more time to set up shots, minimize errors, etc. etc. I think have cost him at important points during matches in the past.

I also think just more variety. He can get into matches with people who can block back his serve and then attack his backhand and this gives him trouble. I loved the 98mph off-pacer with the serve-volley on MP against Koubek last week... he has some opponents like Agassi, Roger, Nalbandian, Henman, etc., who've got him figured out so he's gotta keep developing and adding variety so that he can throw these guys off.
I love how you are like, if I had to pick one thing, then you say like three things. Haha j/k Bunk

There is alot he needs to improve on but, minor stuff, I think, he is no Melzer out there. haha

Mixing it up is a very good idea, movement is a must, and ROS well only if he wants to break Rogi's(or any other big server's) serve...

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Re: What does Andy need to do to become the best?

EVERYTHING!!!
but most importantly is the return of serve. with a decent return of serve, the serve&volleyers won't trouble him as much as they do now

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crap, I wrote out a nice long reply and hit submit and went to class and it was lost and never went through. Oh well, all I said was that there's a huge difference between Andy being more calm and even-keeled and turning into Pete. Andy has to be himself, he feeds off the crowd, gets himself pumped up, wears his heart on his sleeve.

What I'm talking about more is in those really tough matches if he can stay even instead of freaking out on both umps and himself, I think he can get through those tough moments on top instead of letting his level of play decrease markedly.

You brought up the 2001 USO. If Andy had had his 2003 USO mentality during the 2001 USO I am 100% confident he would have won that match with Hewitt. He was playing amazing tennis in that 5th set and let one call affect him so badly that he couldn't recover.

More recently, I look to the TMC match against Moya where he let one bad call affect him for the whole second set. I see this as something huge that he's got to get over... he's definitely making progress but he has a looooong way to go and I think it will continue to cost him some matches until he can learn to not let his anger get in the way of his level of play.

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Stand further in from the baseline...not 534534534 feet behind it. As powerful as his shots are, he often finds himself getting dictated to because he has to cover so much more ground. He needs to come in and cut off some of those angles. This applies to his return of serve as well of course. I've seen his opponent serve him out wide, and then finishes the point by hitting to the open court. If the point isn't over by then, it usually is lost for Andy anyway because he'd be in such a defensive position already.

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