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Doping questions revisited

I didn't know that in fact there has never been any proof that the supplements the trainers gave out were contaminated. This puts a whole new look on the doping controversy, imo.

Drugs agency worried about ATP
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02feb04

THE World Anti-Doping Agency is poised to re-open cases against seven players who last year tested positive to the steroid nandrolone, but were cleared on a technicality.

The revelation comes as Greg Rusedski prepares for his hearing in Montreal next week, when his career could possibly end with a maximum two-year ban.
Perturbed by aspects of an ATP investigation into how seven players were last year exonerated despite testing positive to nandrolone, WADA is next week producing an interim report into the affair.

The seven players, including Czech Bohdan Ulihrach, were cleared after it was found they may have used rehydration tablets and drinks provided by trainers from the ATP, which runs the men's circuit outside the four grand slams.

But investigations have shown the tablets were not contaminated. The players were let off when the onus fell on the ATP to prove the positive traces did not come from a product it provided.

WADA science director Dr Olivier Rabin said the agency would be "reinforcing our concerns our concerns the ATP".

"The evidence is that the tablets were not contaminated," Rabin said. "When you've pointed to this as a source and cannot find nandrolone there, then you have to be worried."

Rusedski is today expected to receive a letter from the ATP outlining logistical details of his scheduled hearing.

The left-hander tested positive in the US last July after the ATP banned its trainers from providing supplements.

WADA director-general David Howman, a New Zealand lawyer, said the seven positive cases demanded greater scrutiny.

"It could be systematic doping for all we know," Howman said. "I don't want to publicly suggest that's what it was.

"But if the possibility suggests that it can't be the tablets, why wasn't it investigated further?"
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wow, interesting.... I thought it had been proven that it was from ATP Tablets. Isn't that how Ulihrach got cleared? The whole thing is seriously fucked up, pardon my language

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Yup. That's how he was cleared. But according to this article, there was never any proof that the tablets were contaminated, the ATP simply couldn't prove they weren't contaminated. So since the issue was raised and some doubt was thrown on the tablets, the guys got off.
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hmmmmmm interesting......

the whole thing is just very sad!

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Re: Doping questions revisited

It's always more interesting when it's the proving it WASN'T, as opposed to proving it WAS.
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Proving WASN'T is always interesting.
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Found this article. Last year, it was Federer and Flipper who were tested the most. Andy and Andre were tested 21 times last year.

Why can't all sports test our athletes like they do in tennis? That's one reason I like tennis so much. It's a relatively "clean" sport (unlike baseball, football, etc.)

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12feb04

MARK Philippoussis was among the most frequently drug-tested players in the world last season as the Victorian reclaimed a top-10 ranking.
The Wimbledon and US Open finalist completed drug tests on 19 occasions, including three blood scans collected for EPO analysis.

World No.*1 Roger Federer topped the tennis anti-doping program with French Open champion Juan Carlos Ferrero, both submitting to 23 tests, including out-of-competition scans.

US Open champion Andy Roddick, Australian Open winner Andre Agassi and former world No.*1 Carlos Moya all completed 21 tests.

Philippoussis topped the list of Australian players, leading the way from Todd Woodbridge (17), Wayne Arthurs (15) and Lleyton Hewitt, whose limited season meant he was scrutinised 14 times.

Philippoussis was tested in Indian Wells, Miami, Malmo and then – in an unbroken five-week sequence – in Rome, Hamburg, Paris, Queen's Club and at Wimbledon.

He was twice tested in Los Angeles, then Montreal and Cincinnati. The Williamstown serve-volleyer was then urine-tested during the Davis Cup semi-final and twice more during the final at Rod Laver Arena in November.

Philippoussis was blood-tested in Miami, Wimbledon and Los Angeles. A total of 12 Australian male players were tested last season.

Apart from Davis Cuppers Philippoussis, Woodbridge, Arthurs and Hewitt, doubles star Paul Hanley was tested 10 times.

Also compelled to participate in the tennis push to rid itself of the nandrolone controversy were Jaymon Crabb, Scott Draper, Josh Eagle and Chris Guccione.

Nathan Healey, Jordan Kerr, Peter Luczak and Joe Sirianni also were probed.

Agassi and French Open winner Albert Costa were both tested three times out of competition. Hewitt was the only Australian subject to off-site scanning with a November 19 test in Melbourne.

Hewitt was tested again last week at the Davis Cup tie in Adelaide, both in and out of competition.

Meanwhile, Greg Ruseski's positive test to banned steroid nandrolone came after a first-round loss to Queenslander Scott Draper in Indianapolis last year.

Rusedski, now facing a career-ending two-year suspension as an anti-doping tribunal in Montreal evaluates the Briton's evidence, had not been previously tested in five previous events, including Wimbledon. The Grand Slam Cup winner contested the French Open, Surbiton, Queen's Club, Nottingham and Wimbledon before playing Draper in the US in July.

"What kind of shape am I in now? Well round is a shape." said Roddick with a laugh. "I had a very detailed retirement plan, and I feel like I've met every aspect of it: a lot of golf, a lot of carbs, a lot of fried food, and some booze, occasionally — I've been completely committed ... The results have shown."


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What I don't understand is why it's not equal... why should some players be tested more than others?

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maybe due to their size or maybe speculation

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Randomness might have something to do with it. If the testing is truly random, there will be clusters.

Also, winning tournaments might subject someone to tests more often.
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perhaps.... it still seems sort of haphazard. Why don't they just test everyone who's in a tournament draw at every tournament?

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Because then it wouldn't be a "surprise." They never announce the drug testing, they just show up and say gimmee your urine.

"What kind of shape am I in now? Well round is a shape." said Roddick with a laugh. "I had a very detailed retirement plan, and I feel like I've met every aspect of it: a lot of golf, a lot of carbs, a lot of fried food, and some booze, occasionally — I've been completely committed ... The results have shown."


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but if they knew they had to do it regularly throughout the year, surprise wouldn't be an issue. It's not like the substances disappear from their bodies that fast, if they had to do it every tourn. they played, they couldn't avoid it.

I dunno it just seems beyond random... haphazard even. It just seems weird to me, I can't put my finger on it.

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Maybe Rogi's a narc and they're keeping a close eye on him?

"What kind of shape am I in now? Well round is a shape." said Roddick with a laugh. "I had a very detailed retirement plan, and I feel like I've met every aspect of it: a lot of golf, a lot of carbs, a lot of fried food, and some booze, occasionally — I've been completely committed ... The results have shown."


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Well if you know when the testers are coming, then they would know when to use the masking agents , and usually players if they are smart will take substances during the off-season, injury layoffs or non- tournament weeks.

It would be interesting if they actually would announce if a high profile player tested positive, or sweep it under the carpet. Then again that depends on where that player is from and who they are as well?

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