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Andy vs. Roger

This has been hyped as the "next big rivalry", but Andy obviously needs to get a few more wins before this is really the case.

The question is: What should Andy's strategy be when facing Federer? We all know that Roger is brilliant, but Andy has big weapons --- how can he use them to his best advantage?
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Kick serve to Roger's backhand as much as possible and stay away from a baseline battle.

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yeah..... and get inside his head somehow LOL

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That's the hard part lol.

Confidence will do the most.

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he needs to be able to hit good backhand passing shots and returns. he has to challenge federer's serve so he can breathe easy on his own. it's tough to do. that's why his only win against him is in a third set tiebreak.
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He definitely has to step up his return game.

And more than getting into Roger's head, he has to keep Roger out of his.
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yes star... that too!

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Definitely improve his return game as well. Try to return serves deep. And maybe try to vary his returns...like blocking or slicing some returns.

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I think he's got to be agressive against Roger. That standing 10 ft behind the baseline won't work against someone with the shot-making capability of Roger. Plus just from a mental standpoint, giving the whole court away like that to someone who makes shots as well as Roger doesn't put Andy in a good place - because when Roger is fully confident he doesn't lose.

But I expect Andy's game to keep improving and when it does, he will be able to beat Roger again - perhaps it won't be easy but I'm sure he'll do it.

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They will be trading wins and losses with each other for years, but I think Roger will always have the edge. Andy said Roger plays too quick for him. That is cause Roger's strokes are much more compact and smooth than Andy's big swinging big hitting style. Andy takes more time in between shots. Andy's best chance at a Slam victory over Roger is at Oz where the high bounces could bother Roger's backhand. Andy did that to him in Montreal and it worked for awhile till Roger started to get more use to it. Its really all about who plays better on that day like most matches on the ATP tour. Sure the more talented guy can be off a bit and still win but in this case someone its down to the better player. That said Andy never really played badly in the matches with Roger I saw. His stats are wimbly were very good. The Cup match was tight in the 1st set even though Andy fans keep saying Andy was off that day. Both players will get better over time and time will tell who is better.
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Welcome Dirk!

Nice to see that you like Andy enough to visit his forum and read the posts.

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I think the media is where the yearning for this rivalry is coming from. they need another Sampras-Agassi-esque rivalry and because Andy and Roger are both young and haven't hit their peaks yet (we assume), it seems like a good choice. And I think they like Roddick/Federer again, because their styles are SOOOOOOOOO different. Ferrero, Hewitt, etc.... they're great players but the styles don't contrast nearly as much as between Roger (pure finesse) and Andy (pure power).

It's a loooooooong way to go before they get to a real rivalry, though, and I don't see it really getting to a point like Sampras and Agassi, where they weren't friends with each other but they both consistently talk about their rivalry as one of the most important aspects of their career. Each of them said the other was the best he'd ever played, and that they forced each other to keep playing better. I just don't know if I see a similar thing forming between Andy and Roger.

And I doubt this will happen for looooong periods at a time, but if Andy and Roger keep trading the 1 and 2 spots, then they'll only ever really be able to meet in finals, which would probably keep them from playing each other a whole lot, if that makes sense.

Oh well, all remains to be seen, I guess. I think Andy has a lot more room for improvement (as far as the tennis goes) than Roger, so it's hard to say what will happen when Andy develops a more complete and well-rounded game.

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I am not a fan of Andy's but I don't hate the guy or anything. I just am not into his game, but it sure is effective and as a dominate player his game is more fun to watch than Pete's most of the time. I do hate Brad Gilbert cause the guy is really an arrogant asshole but so far it doesn't seem to have rubbed off on Andy. Andy does give his opponents their due. His antics from time to time annoy me but that is no different than any other player who gets loud and obnoxious out there. At least he doesn't swear across the net at his opponents like Hewitt does. Speaking of Hewitt, I would rather have Andy as number one than him since Andy's game is much more number oneish than Hewitt's. To this day, I believe that hip injury in 01 to Guga was the best thing that happened to Hewitt's career but this is not the place to really dive into that subject. Andy's footwork has already improved and I am sure he will improve more in all areas. Roger will improve but not nearly as much since his game is really almost perfect. His serves might gain some more speed over time and I hope his head and heart will stay as one in big matches. I'm not an fan but I am not one of these fans who say Andy doesn't deserve to be number one. Was I pissed about Roger's Montreal loss, yes but that was mostly because Roger was up and fucking lossed it. I can't hold it against Andy that he competes better than my man.
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Nice dissertation, Dirk.

Glad that you don't hold "hate" towards Andy. You're always welcome to post here. I think it's great to have some different non-Andy fan voices in here.

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