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the grande finale-HOUSTON

ok i gotta admit i let out a laugh when i saw the draw
Andy has: Coria, Schuettler, Moya
while....
Ferrero has:Federer, Agassi, Nalbandian

ho boy we will NEVER live this one down if Andy goes on to win it, it's gonna be a 'fix' again, and he couldn't win it on his own anyways i dont wanna get ahead of ourselves, because we never know what's gonna happen, and all these players are top 8 players, so NOBODY's easy, and anyways he has a win over everyone in this tournament, unlike some people (mostly Federer) anyways Federer is bound to lose a singles match IMO and Andy's bound to win one, so bye bye Federer for year end #1. all i can say it GOOD LUCK ANDY, go kick some ass and end the year at #1 ( but if you end at #2, it's still great )

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Yeah, I laughed as well.

It was such an obvious fix. The USTA really has no shame. So, whatever, it went by the rankings and was a theoretical possibility, so it's a legit draw. Even though it was rigged to the sky, it's not quote-unquote "unfair." So I'll take it.

But man...LOL.

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hey Safin went 0-3 last year after he had just finished winning Paris, and he was beaten by COSTA!!!!!!!!!!!! on a hardcourt!!!!!! he hasn't played either 3 of these guys when he was really on his game, so just the fact that he's beaten all 3 in previous years, when he wasn't as good as he is now, says a lot. Shuettler's 2 wins this year Andy was injured, and the other win IS a win, but Andy has changed dramatically, while Schuettler is still the same. Moya he hasnt played since i think montreal 2001, thats a long time, but he can beat him for sure. and Coria, im sorry but i dont think he has enough firepower to hurt Andy, and especially on a hardcourt where Andy is at his best. Coria has to run down everything and hope andy has a really off day

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Re: the grande finale-HOUSTON

I still don't understand the logic behind believing this is fixed. Why wouldn't the USTA fix it for Agassi? Does the USTA have any say in this at all, even?? Who made the draw, anyway?

I just feel like it's a very bold statement to say it is fixed when it's just as likely that several other combinations could have resulted, and without any proof whatsoever.

If Ferrero had gotten an "easy" draw, no one would've said anything except maybe he's lucky, but Andy got the "easy" draw so it was immediately fixed. I just fail to see the logic behind this.
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I don't believe it's fixed -- there aren't all that many options for potential draws. It's not like it was a one in a thousand chance of this draw occuring...

BUT there is no doubt that Andy got an ideal draw. The best he could have hoped for, IMHO. He will still have to play some excellent players, of course, but he has avoided those players who would probably best at handling his serve: Agassi, who can return 149 mph (!) and Nalbandian who knows how to block the ball back and make Andy generate pace off the next shot, causing errors. And Ferrero is a great player he should be happy to avoid, despite his relatively straight-forward win at the USO.
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People are just kidding, draws are not fixed. Besides, Nalbandian is injured and Agassi hasn't played for months. It's more of an illusion that both groups are disportionnate of depth; they aren't that much. But Federer being in the Ferrero section makes all the difference.
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Oh I do not think they're kidding at all.... some of these people take this stuff so damn seriously. To me tennis is fun but some of these people are SO into it!
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LOL...if there is one thing that I have been telling people on WTA World forever and ever, it's that you cannot rig a pulled draw. They are done in public, with officials and press watching, often by the competitors themselves.

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well then some of the people in GM are just stupid
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LOL. I don't believe it's rigged at all. I'm just very happy that Andy has the best draw he could have gotten, IMO. And I know plenty of people also agree to that. Not having Agassi, Nalbandian, and Federer in his section is good.

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There are press pictures of Mac picking the draw. ATP is an international organization, they wouldn't favor one person over another.

The Bryan Brothers picked their own draw, but no one's crying foul there LOL
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LMFAO tangerine... lol!!!!!!!
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Ooh, Andy can't win all the time...he's doomed now!

If Baldy, JC, Shuettler, Coria, Nalbandian & Fed all win except Andy (yeah right), each guy will beat him all the
time! Ooh, they're fast & fancy shotmakers!
Therefore, they're far superior!!
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Andy's height and weight.
Some hallucinate that he scraped wins with
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