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Andy's improvements. what do you think?

hey everyone, i just want everyone to list like 5-10 things that Andy has improved recently. not just because he changed coaches, but just to see his improvement when comparing to last year or the year before. here are mince( btw a little sentence or 2 would be nice)

1) the noggin- obviously the one that stands out the most. extremely focues now, mind doesnt wander. he doesnt make things get to him as easily as before
2) backhand- like night and day. it was pretty abysmal before, but now its turned into a steady shot, and sets up the forehand nicely. and wow those backhand down the line shots. its becoming more of a weapon, just not there yet
3) confidence- it has sky rocketed and this is what pushes him to win.
4) becoming the best- he now has the frame of mind to become the best he can and this is pushing him to do better every single time
5) serve- yes believe it or not, the serve. extremely high % of them in, considering the speed he gets on them. varying them much better this year. using the off-speed ones and the ones out wide very well
6) better shot selection- actually setting up points better. not going for the winner when there's a huge opening, but plays a good deep ball, which ends up being a winner anyways, but is a more careful shot which can easily be put away again if the other dude hits it back
7) movement- was already a pretty decent mover for a dude with that kind of stature. dont know why people say his movement sucks. hes getting more balls back, and looks quicker on the court
8) volleys/net play- we're getting there. should see some major improvement here since he had 2 weeks to train with Brad and include some new shots
uh........can't think of more, im sure there r some others, and plus its late and im tired so everyone share ur opinions. they dont really have to be in order or anything, just list them and stuff
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Re: Andy's improvements. what do you think?

Well here's my favorite one: he thinks and executes more realistically

He is less about a stage production on the court and more about doing what's truly necessary in order to win a point

With each passing season, I discover new reason
SAMPRAS --> Rios --> KUERTEN --> Kafelnikov -->
Federer --> Hewitt --> RODDICK --> GONZALEZ -->
NALBANDIAN --> Benneteau --> Davydenko --> Mathieu -->
TURSUNOV --> Mantilla --> KIEFER --> NADAL -->
Karlovic --> Odesnik --> Stepanek --> Monfils -->
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The reason this thread exists is cause of his loss to Rogi. There is nothing he can do to beat him but catch him on a bad day. Andy played well and he would have probably beaten most of the players in the draw with his level that day. Even if he came to net more he still would have lost, after all Rogi took out the greatest grass court player a few years ago. He lost to the player with the greatest game on tour, nothing to be ashamed of. A semi is not a bad result and if his "dickhead" coach has anything to say about it; Andy should ask him "so brad how many semis did you have at wimbly?
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Dirk, why did u just put words in my mouth, huh???? the reason this thread was created was coz i felt like i submited a lot more in Andy's thread on wtaworld than here, so this subject sprung to my mind the first, and nobody has done it before. i never said Roger sucks and he shouldn't have won, he deserved to win. and play by the rules you dickhead, dont post in this thread if u dont have anything good to say loser
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Re: Andy's improvements. what do you think?

Naldo, don't get worked up over this. Who knows what Dirk is talking about?! LOL! As long as he didn't say anything truly rude

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SAMPRAS --> Rios --> KUERTEN --> Kafelnikov -->
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NALBANDIAN --> Benneteau --> Davydenko --> Mathieu -->
TURSUNOV --> Mantilla --> KIEFER --> NADAL -->
Karlovic --> Odesnik --> Stepanek --> Monfils -->
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Nobody insulted Andy. I only insulted his coach cause he is really a arrogant asshole. I think anyone with a head on their shoulders understands what I am talking about. Had Andy won that match and maybe won the final, this thread about his improvements wouldn't exist. Andy will get better but how much better is the question. He has enough game to win titles and maybe a few slams provided the draw opens up for him.
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Dirk, I remember you from Yahoo! Groups Roger Federer... I am not shocked you are saying this because you couldn't talk about Federer without putting other players down.

Who cares that Andy didn't win Wimbledon. Dude, nobody cares! You think Andy fans just sit around and are bitter because he lost so we have to talk about and look at the bright side?! It's not like that. Andy did improve Dirk... what is wrong with talking about that?! This thread would have even more purpose of existence had he won Wimbledon because the main thought everyone would have is 'WOW, he really improved to actually be a Slam winner.' He really improved to get to the semifinal--to get this far. Andy being a better player was really obvious since he won Queens, so we have room to talk about this

You are so sure of yourself because you've always had an ego FOR Roger. LOL! In the Roger forum, in your thread, you randomly found a way of putting KKK Hewitt into your speech like you always do. I think along with your devoted admiration to Roger, you have to make other players look bad. It's not necessary

The only thing I agree with you about is that Andy's coach is arrogant

With each passing season, I discover new reason
SAMPRAS --> Rios --> KUERTEN --> Kafelnikov -->
Federer --> Hewitt --> RODDICK --> GONZALEZ -->
NALBANDIAN --> Benneteau --> Davydenko --> Mathieu -->
TURSUNOV --> Mantilla --> KIEFER --> NADAL -->
Karlovic --> Odesnik --> Stepanek --> Monfils -->
??


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I always give players their due. Your the one who baited me into replying more on this topic at the Rogi forum, maybe you should stop being so two-faced Mrs. Guga. KKK Hewitt has earned his nickname and I only mention him when him and Rogi play against each other. Nobody cares here that Andy didn't win? I find that hard to believe. I already said Andy improved as a player but of course you didn't process that into your little brain. There are plenty of talented players who I respect besides Rogi. Guga, Kafel, Safin, Moya, JC, Rios, and others. I gave andy plenty of praise saying he played well in his match with Roger and probably would have beaten most others in the draw that day. I think some Andy fans maybe not here but in general are being too hard on him.
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Re: Andy's improvements. what do you think?

LOL, what's with the insults Dirk?! Is that really necessary when all I want you to know is that you're wrong in thinking that this thread is only here because he lost. Because it's not. LOL! That's all you need to know--that's all I'm trying to say so chill out

With each passing season, I discover new reason
SAMPRAS --> Rios --> KUERTEN --> Kafelnikov -->
Federer --> Hewitt --> RODDICK --> GONZALEZ -->
NALBANDIAN --> Benneteau --> Davydenko --> Mathieu -->
TURSUNOV --> Mantilla --> KIEFER --> NADAL -->
Karlovic --> Odesnik --> Stepanek --> Monfils -->
??


Oliver Cromwell lay buried and dead. Hee-haw. Buried and dead.
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I misunderstood you then, chalk it up to the net. I think we cleared it up on PM. Naldo insulted me and I don't know why. I never said anything bad about Andy but if you want me to, well Andy moves around the court like he has two left feet. There how is that?
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Re: Andy's improvements. what do you think?

Very interesting, Naldo. I think you have some good points. I do agree that Andy's self belief is a big part of how well he will do.

I disagree somewhat about his movement having improved... to me this is one of the areas where more work is needed.

I completely agree that Andy's shot selection has improved-- but I think under pressure he reverts to some of his old ways. By this I mean that when he was playing Sanguinetti or Bjorkman he picked his shots very well, but at times in the semifinals he went back to trying to end the point too quickly on several instances.

One thing I think that is the most positive about Andy is he gives his all. Now that he's tempering this a bit, I think he can go pretty far.

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Re: Andy's improvements. what do you think?

Andy needs to stop worshipping his opponents.
A match isn't over yet even when he's down but
gets distracted with doubt, dumps balls into the net, blasts everything wide, makes unaggressive
volleys, and hurries his serves to make aces, not
realizing that some guys could handle his serves.

If he would practice harder with his angle shots -
during serves, backhand and volley, he'd be a top
player. He could beat the number 1 player, which
none of the other guys in the top 5 could do, unless
it's on clay.
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Re: Andy's improvements. what do you think?

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He could beat the number 1 player, which
none of the other guys in the top 5 could do, unless
it's on clay.
Andy is my favorite player, but even I have to admit that's one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen.

Juan Carlos Ferrero, World #2, beat Agassi on a hard court at the Tennis Masters Cup eight months ago. He can certainly do it now.

Roger Federer, #3 and reigning Wimbledon champion, can certainly beat Agassi on any surface.

Moya, #4, beat Agassi INDOORS in straight sets in the Paris Open eight months ago.

And LOL at #5 Hewitt winning four out of his seven matches against Agassi, all on hardcourt.

Come on, heya. It's people like you (and Brad Gilbert, and Patrick McEnroe) making completely ridiculous statements like that that affect ANDY adversely.

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i agree.. his movement was very slack playing against federar.....he was playing very flat footed and he was struggling to get the ball which he had not been doing at all until that semi finals match!
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so he definitaly needs to work on movement but his mental game has by FAR improved......
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