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He does not have a good game plan anymore. Same as last year it seems to me. He has to get a better ratio of aggression to defense and figure out better when and where to change his style up depending on who he is playing. Shame really. I don't think he wants or can change it at the moment. Does not bode well for the rest of the year.

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many other players do receive criticism along with heated, flippant insults/statements when they lose (and who they lose to) -- whether it's more or less justifiable compared to x or y player, who knows, but it does happen and on a frequent basis at that.

personally, i like it when fans are able to be critical and objective, even to those they like and don't like. at times it may be harsh and not what someone wants to hear (even themselves), but i don't think there's anything wrong with having more realistic expectations. and in that same vein, i don't think it's bad to have an optimistic one, either. it's nice to have a healthy balance and not delve too wildly into either extreme seriously.

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Besides a big for Kate, the only thing I really have to say is that I'm very glad I didn't see one iota of the match.

Also, if we didn't think andy was capable, we wouldn't care so much. It's tough love.

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I watched the entire match. I did not get the "don't care" feeling from Andy's play. Having watched enough Blake or Querrey matches, the "don't care" feeling is normally painfully obvious.

In this match, Andy just seemed flummoxed by Stan's effectiveness. I felt that he was trying to get it deeper but the conditions were slowing his shots, which in turn gave Stan the opportunity to hit a better shot. In the heat of the day, this match would have been different.

I was pleased that Andy called out the press about blaming him alone for lack of American presence in the top 10 when he has been the main standard-bearer since Andre retired. Good on him!
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In the heat of the day, this match would have been different.
but why? The conditions were the same for Stan, but he was able to hit umpteen winners. as andy said, he needs to find a way to be effective in any condition. It's still a HC, where he used to feel comfortable no matter what. He's done well in Miami many times over, which often puts him on at night in slow, humid conditions on a very similar kind of court. I don't get it. now he's using conditions as an excuse for his pushing style of play. Maybe Stan would've won the match no matter what, but Andy seriously needs to re-examine the way he's playing. With IW and miami coming up, he has almost all of his points to defend. Something's gotta happen, and fast.

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Later near the locker room, he sat on the floor, legs extended, in silence.
i think you can say he played badly,
but you can't say he doesn't care.
and i want to say,
actually today he played much better than he did at last 3 rounds,
but still far away from the stardard that he should have had!
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I did not watch the match but he looks demented in the photos.
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I think it's perhaps time for a coaching change in the Roddick camp.
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I think it's easy to mistake a resigned appearance to one of not caring. it sounds to me (again havent seen it and not pretending i did) that he was pretty early on resigned to the fact that he couldn't win. Doesn't mean he didnt care or try his best. i think I can speak for most of us that we would be completely done with him if he didn't care. who would knowingly waste their time supporting an athlete they didn't think cared? It's funny, I first started to like Andy because of his game, back in 2003 when he fearlessly went for every shot. Now I can't really stand his game at all but I keep supporting him because of who he is as a person and that's why I can't give up no matter how much his play frustrates me.

Heather, who out there is better than larry? he's had some of the best possible coaches in the game. The coach can't go out there and play for him. We know from things Larry has said that he has a good, aggressive mentality and that's how he wants andy to play. A new coach wouldn't be able to make Andy play any better. No other coach has. Andy's stubborn and I don't think a new coach will fix that.

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Just offering my two cents, Deb, haha. Honestly though I can't think of anything else that would change this up. Andy's such a blockhead sometimes. It's as if he totally enjoys running full speed ahead into a brick wall over and over again and then after it happens he says "I didn't know it was there."

I agree, I can't quit him either.
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Well, it is only my opinion. I'm saying it again, maybe he has some kind of personal problems, who knows!? Deboogle, watch the match, the tape. You will see him leaving balls passing him. He didn't even chase every ball. He did not seem pumped up at all. Somethimes he had 15-30, 0-30, not a single "come on!" or fist pump. Just to show Stan that he is not out. He did not even broke a raquet or get angry ot something like that. Andy was as lethargic as ever. He had opportunities even in the 3rd set, I got the impression that he did not want to convert.

Again, this is just my opinion.
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Just offering my two cents, Deb, haha. Honestly though I can't think of anything else that would change this up. Andy's such a blockhead sometimes. It's as if he totally enjoys running full speed ahead into a brick wall over and over again and then after it happens he says "I didn't know it was there."

I agree, I can't quit him either.
oh totally, I wish changing coaches would help him. We've talked about how great it would be for him to see a sports psychologist for YEARS I feel like. it's frustrating. But I also understand how it feels to be in a situation where you know you need to make changes but don't feel like you can. It's easy for us to sit here and say stuff and i know i'm guilty of it myself, but i'm kind of the same as Andy in a lot of ways. I know there are things I need to do to better my life and for various reasons/excuses I have a hard time getting myself to do it. doesn't make it any less frustrating for us.

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Well, it is only my opinion. I'm saying it again, maybe he has some kind of personal problems, who knows!? Deboogle, watch the match, the tape. You will see him leaving balls passing him. He didn't even chase every ball. He did not seem pumped up at all. Somethimes he had 15-30, 0-30, not a single "come on!" or fist pump. Just to show Stan that he is not out. He did not even broke a raquet or get angry ot something like that. Andy was as lethargic as ever. He had opportunities even in the 3rd set, I got the impression that he did not want to convert.

Again, this is just my opinion.
Oh it's not that I don't believe you, but like you said maybe there is something else going on that we don't know about. or again maybe he just didn't think he could do it for some reason. Who knows, who knows.

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Honestly, it had to do with completly getting outclassed shot for shot. After the first set when he had to work so hard to hold serve and then lost it he was totally deflated. In reality he had 0-30 maybe twice the entire match, not much you can do there. When he is not comfortable with his best shot ie. the serve, then nothing else goes right for him, happens everytime. Plus he leaves balls all the time, it's one of the most frustrating things about being an Andy fan so that is nothing new. He didn't get angry because there was nothing to get angry about, sometimes you just have to put your hands up and say too good which is exactly what happened.

I do tend to wonder about the personal aspect as well. It can't be easy being a part of a "celebrity couple." Not to mention Brooklyn's career is taking off and Andy is going to have to go into career reevaluation mode. Please don't misunderstand me, I love Brooklyn and think she's great and has been great for him but at the same time he doesn't like the media attention in his personal life and the papparazzi and Brook's about to roll out her new movie..who knows.
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oh totally, I wish changing coaches would help him. We've talked about how great it would be for him to see a sports psychologist for YEARS I feel like. it's frustrating. But I also understand how it feels to be in a situation where you know you need to make changes but don't feel like you can. It's easy for us to sit here and say stuff and i know i'm guilty of it myself, but i'm kind of the same as Andy in a lot of ways. I know there are things I need to do to better my life and for various reasons/excuses I have a hard time getting myself to do it. doesn't make it any less frustrating for us.

100% Agreed. If it was easy to change a mindset, we all would do it.
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I still say it is between the ears. maybe, Andy does not realize this....seeking help for his mental fitness would be good for him. He worked hard for his physical fitness and the backhand, the volleys, he forgot the mental.....I hope he is not feeling too badly...poor Andy. It makes me sad.



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