PTS or Set Ratios as TB method? - Page 8 - MensTennisForums.com
View Poll Results: Which TB method do you prefer in TT?
Predict-the-Score system (the current system here) 31 46.27%
Set Ratio system (the current system in WTA TT) 36 53.73%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #106 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:03 PM
Registered User
 
Taz Warrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 13,553
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Labamba View Post
Here's one compromise suggestion

If the match goes to a TB, then the order of deciding the tie would be:

1. correct winner in TB match
2. correct set ratio in TB match
3. PTS with changes to the scoring system

Correct order of sets for:
1 set – 1 point
2 sets – 3 points -> 4 points
3 sets – 5 points -> 7 points
4 sets – 7 points -> 10 points
5 sets – 10 points -> 13 points

Correct scoreline for:
1 set – 4 points -> 3 points
2 sets – 8 points -> 6 points
3 sets – 12 points -> 9 points
4 sets – 16 points -> 12 points
5 sets – 20 points -> 15 points
*2 additional points per set if the scoreline is in the correct set (this would be removed)

This would take down the luck factor significantly and the dreaded 'bad beats' wouldn't be possible. Also we wouldn't have to bring a totally new system and we wouldn't have to send those set ratios for all the matches (less work for the managers). This would also reward the tipping more as there would be more CB's. Let me know what you think
That's a good solution - I'd like to increase the value of the correct no. of sets to 10 as well to make set ratios more important
Taz Warrior is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #107 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:04 PM
#freeviktor
 
savesthedizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: formerly known as Troickitard
Posts: 93,808
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Labamba View Post
Jess, you should look closer at my plan. It involves using the set ratio as the first decider. You don't have to increase its points as it wouldn't be part of the PTS anymore.
Meh you're right. Hold on. I have a new suggestion that I think will be generous considering we're winning by a slim margin.

Troicki - Djokovic - Del Potro - Kyrgios - Berankis
Cibulkova - Robson - Kirilenko - Azarenka
Retired but always loving Ferrero - Ancic - Kiefer

savesthedizzle is offline  
post #108 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:05 PM
Registered User
 
balloon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Age: 33
Posts: 5,567
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ExcaliburII View Post
because i know the Set ratio will not be completely accepted. When a pact is made done both parts have to lose something.

yes, when a pact is done, both parties have to lose n compromise, somebody jus doesnt understand that

excaliburII, u have my respect!

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
balloon is offline  
 
post #109 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:06 PM
Registered User
 
Tomek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,004
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

I wonder when this discussion will end

Tomek. is offline  
post #110 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:06 PM
Registered User
 
balloon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Age: 33
Posts: 5,567
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Labamba

Ur suggestion means that, we only choose Set Ratio (SR) for TB matches..
And if its a best of 3, we can have a SR of 2-0 and a PTS score of 6-4 4-6 6-4?

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
balloon is offline  
post #111 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:06 PM
#freeviktor
 
savesthedizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: formerly known as Troickitard
Posts: 93,808
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Okay here is my last suggestion:

Player A and Player B are tied. OH NO ITS A TB WHAT SHOULD WE DO.

We calculate the TB1 using the new scoring system (with sets being upped to 10). Egads, it's tied still.

Now we see who had the most set ratios out of the 5 TBs.

Still tied?

TB2, TB3, TB4, TB5.

So the first option would be TB with the new system, then set ratios for the 5 TB matches, then TTPTS for the other 4.

For rounds further in, I favor CB over other methods, but that is not really what this poll is about, since that's not what people were voting on

Troicki - Djokovic - Del Potro - Kyrgios - Berankis
Cibulkova - Robson - Kirilenko - Azarenka
Retired but always loving Ferrero - Ancic - Kiefer

savesthedizzle is offline  
post #112 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:06 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Labamba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Finland
Age: 35
Posts: 32,550
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavnich77 View Post
That's a good solution - I'd like to increase the value of the correct no. of sets to 10 as well to make set ratios more important
It won't matter in this plan if you look at the point #2
Labamba is offline  
post #113 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:06 PM
Registered User
 
Tomek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,004
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

but I know one for sure - PTS TBs will stay

Tomek. is offline  
post #114 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:08 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Labamba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Finland
Age: 35
Posts: 32,550
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by balloon View Post
Labamba

Ur suggestion means that, we only choose Set Ratio (SR) for TB matches..
And if its a best of 3, we can have a SR of 2-0 and a PTS score of 6-4 4-6 6-4?
no, you only send one score (just like now)

It's just used in a different way
Labamba is offline  
post #115 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:08 PM
#freeviktor
 
savesthedizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: formerly known as Troickitard
Posts: 93,808
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by balloon View Post
yes, when a pact is done, both parties have to lose n compromise, somebody jus doesnt understand that

excaliburII, u have my respect!
Your side wasn't willing to lose very much in that first compromise I didn't think and expected us to lose almost everything. Look at my final suggestion.

Troicki - Djokovic - Del Potro - Kyrgios - Berankis
Cibulkova - Robson - Kirilenko - Azarenka
Retired but always loving Ferrero - Ancic - Kiefer

savesthedizzle is offline  
post #116 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:10 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Labamba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Finland
Age: 35
Posts: 32,550
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
Okay here is my last suggestion:

Player A and Player B are tied. OH NO ITS A TB WHAT SHOULD WE DO.

We calculate the TB1 using the new scoring system (with sets being upped to 10). Egads, it's tied still.

Now we see who had the most set ratios out of the 5 TBs.

Still tied?

TB2, TB3, TB4, TB5.

So the first option would be TB with the new system, then set ratios for the 5 TB matches, then TTPTS for the other 4.

For rounds further in, I favor CB over other methods, but that is not really what this poll is about, since that's not what people were voting on
Sounds fair to me
Labamba is offline  
post #117 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:10 PM
In hiding.
 
SloKid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 33
Posts: 19,112
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by savestheday91 View Post
Your side wasn't willing to lose very much in that first compromise I didn't think and expected us to lose almost everything.
And according to the poll results it should be the other way around.
SloKid is offline  
post #118 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:10 PM
Registered User
 
Tomek.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,004
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

on WTA you can send SR 2-0 and the TB 46 64 64

Tomek. is offline  
post #119 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:11 PM
Registered User
 
balloon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Age: 33
Posts: 5,567
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Labamba View Post
no, you only send one score (just like now)

It's just used in a different way


meaning..

if the final score is 6-4 6-4

and A sent in 6-4 6-3 and B sent in 6-3 3-6 6-3

it means A will win 2-0 on SR instead of calculating TB points?

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
balloon is offline  
post #120 of 187 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 02:12 PM
Registered User
 
balloon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Age: 33
Posts: 5,567
                     
Re: PTS or Set Ratios as TB method?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gumoll View Post
on WTA you can send SR 2-0 and the TB 46 64 64


yes i know, thats y i m curious how it works here

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
balloon is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome