I am back, after one of the most unfair bans on this forum`s history.
we probably had previously bans more unfair than this one
there's no unfair ban in this forum
I just wanted to speak about somethings that happened through the last week.
Firstly about the way I was treated, you know that when I got the ban I had no previous PM/Explanation at all?
That's the way the system works here, sorry, maybe it could be improved; anyway "bannings are not done lightly and in all cases a lot of discussion takes place before such a decision is made" as many posters already read in the "Banned users thread" where we make such a poor update.
why is there no consistency regarding "Banned Users" thread?
I thought bans had to been discussed between the supermods and admins, but in this case there was just someone who pulled the trigger without discussing this. I know it was Raging Lamb, an admin who no one knows, Ive seen exactly 0 posts from him in my entire life.
From the Site Rules thread:
In the interest of public disclosure, the procedures for warning and banning posters are as follows:
Step 1. Written warning via PM
Step 2. Suspension (temporary ban) and another message from an administrator or Super Moderator explaining the infraction and reason for suspension. The length of the temporary ban is at the discretion of the Super Moderators and admins depending on the particular situation, and is not a decision taken lightly.
Step 3. Permanent ban.
Note: Depending on the severity, the staff of MTF can make the decision to "express ban" at any time.
If someone you know has been banned and you are curious as to why, please review these rules or visit http://www.menstennisforums.com/show...33#post4508933
A lot of discussion is taken prior to a ban. Therefore, if someone has been banned it will not be overruled and any complaints should be taken up by the bannee or VIA PM. Do not start a thread.
In addition to that, you can also be banned due to an accumulation of infraction points. See here (link to follow).
You were told why you've been banned.
The points expire, but the warnings/infractions are kept so we can check the previous.
The decision was backed by other mods, we discussed it a lot in the day it happened. We've lifted/reduced bans before and we are not ashamed of that, it's not like it would involve maths and would be expected to be flawless.
It doesn't matter if you never saw a post of him, just do a search and you'll find his posts, I highly recommend since they are usually spot on. We also try to keep a low-profile due to our moderating task.
I also like the part "link to follow" in the post I've quoted, but we are working on a new one for some months and that's in General Messages Rules.
For the ones who dont know what happened, I was given a ban for saying Fiber was bisexual in a TT report of a tournament I was managing, in what was meant to be a fun report and by no means bashing someone. (If someone hasnt read it, PM me I will forward it to you).So how can an admin ban me for a thing he doesnt know how it works? If my memory doesnt fail me, this guy has never played TT. And since when is bisexual an insult? According to the dictionary this word means: attracted to both sexes.
It was meant to be fun, but jokes are many times not harmless and people have different tastes/tolerance to them. Harrassment and bullying can be seen as humour for some, not for all. Talking about other's supposed sexuality (and I really mean supposed, since I can guess he didn't tell you about that or made you an intercourse proposal that would reveal his preferences) can be seen as harrassment. You have a long and well-know rivalry in Tennis Tipping. You both were told to stop it (check the site rules again - A.2).
Our sister forum, tennisforum.com has a much better section of feedback/FAQ than ours and it's worthy reading. It's no excuse "it wasn't written here", that's common and good sense.
We then found some rep from FiBeR to JMG which said something like: eat my cum you german retard. We also know he is involved with an admin of this forum (I wont say her name because everyone deserves privacy). According to previous posts and background knowledge we can know he is attracted to both sexes. Even if he wasnt, calling him bisexual wouldnt be an insult. Mods told me I was banned because I had previous infractions, but as far as I know my last infraction point had expired about 7 months ago. In front there is Fiber who has the whole MTF staff on his side, but no popular support, had also received infractions points in the past (at least according to Carlita, who by no means favours Fiber when taking decisions). I had received in two different ocassions 2 infraction points for discussions I had with Fiber, Fiber also insulted me, and when I asked Carlita she said, Fiber had also received punnishment. Okay, so then we should be even (Fiber and me) before this incident. Fiber called me an idiot in the TT thread, and I reported him when he said he had reported me, so why did I get a ban and he didnt? As far as I know Idiot is an insult while bisexual isnt. He was without a doubt bashing me, while I was just calling him bisexual in a report which only had comedy purposes. Both were reported, and we both had previous infractions, why did I get a ban and he didnt?
The rep wasn't reported as long as I know. Deducing other's sexuality by an old bad rep, I can say it's wrong, it's no proof. Some say it's inconsitency, others bias, and others that's flexibility, we also consider who starts a fight, even though we discourage offenses, even if provoked. "Idiot" unfortunatelly is a term used very often in MTF, but then I was led to believe a certain word, c***, became an usual word in English, by reading MTF posts, until I was told it was still a very harsh word. It's not an easy task to settle a cross line for curse/vulgar words (at least for me, who'm not an English native speaker).
In the thread about unbanning me and then LinkMage was added too, admins answered every question, except this one when Nathii asked it, why? You have no explanation for this? Why did I eat a ban and Fiber is still there? Is he really untouchable? From now on he will be treated like Voldemort, he is the un-namable, untouchable of MTF, you better dont say a word to him or you will get banned. Link mage said, chupala idiota via rep, and he got a 6 month ban. While FiBeR said eat my cum you german retard and got nothing, how can this be possible? If you want to live on MTF you better dont talk to Fiber, you better dont even talk to him on MSN because this can be used as an exucse to get banned yourself.
Link Mage's previous ban was of 3 months, he had previous bans for making duplicate accounts and there's more to this story than you think.
Bashing again the poster you've bashed before won't make your situation look better.
You know that a former - admin, big friend of an actual admin supposedly had inside info, and he was saying in a chat thread I got banned for things I said outside MTF? How ridiculous can this be? How can he know this if the things admins say cant be spoken outside the admin lounge? Maybe I should have powerful friends. Snoo Foo retracted this perfectly in a chat thread. Probably Fiber and company will find a reason to report this thread and get me a new ban, permanent ban.
When analysing your ban, it wasn't brought, so I can assure it's a wrong info and I even don't now what was said outside MTF. And even if brought, we always stick to what happens in MTF. If there was a miserable mistake, it was to what happened in MTF, we just can't check what happens outside here.
You know what? You cant fight against popular users, you saw what happened when I got banned? Probably one of the biggest crisis (if not the biggest) of mods vs regular users. You got me banned for 1 week, and my power and popularity increased, almost every user, in every corner of the forum supported me and was bashing the mods. Not only my "friends" were supporting me. What does this make you think? This time you didnt do the correct thing. When I got the ban, inmediatly MTF started to support me, what happened then? You tried to stop this by reducing my ban. What the hell was that? You know this is still a ridiculous decision, so what did you do? Tell you didnt react to masses and you never reduced the infraction. I dont eat this bullshit, you clearly wanted to retract from your decision but didnt have the guts to lift the ban. Why not? Losing power. If you would have taken the ban out completely you knew every ban from now on was going to be discussed and asking for it to be lifted. "Just reduce the ban and everyone will be happy... then we tell we never reduced". You should at least accept a mistake. What is the situation now? We know we have to be friends of the powerful people here not to get a ban, we all fear.
Sorry to inform but you don't look like have such a great support. Your friends and people who read your version by others supported you. Many members of this forum just don't want to post about it, I can say I've received some good reps for the posts about your ban. They just prefer not entering the discussion to not be bashed, while I agree with you you had a big and warm support.
Your ban wasn't reduced, the mod who gave you the ban posted right after it that it was given one week, later realised the wrong box was checked and corrected it.
Did you read why its like that got a ban?
Completely unbeleivable. (The post is: Neither won a slam, nor a masters crown, in fact they probably couldn't even shoot 5 iphones in a row in an mtf banner ad. )
Totally wrong. I gave the infraction. It was not for the post, it was the post opening of a thread in General Messages (title: Neither Carraz, nor Goldstein, the greatest"). Don't you think it was a forum disruption/trolling? If not, please check the GM rules.
I have 4 of the 5 admins/super mods on facebook, the other one
(Raging Lamb), this is a good step.
Maybe I can give my sister to Zirconek, so then we will be family and I wont get my ass kicked.
That's why I like you - guess why now: because you trade your sister or because I personally find it funny? Hint: I'm not answering as mod.
still can't help you.
Recently Fiber made a post making fun of Nikki, and she reported him, the post got deleted inmediatly and nothing happened to him. And this was bashing, why no actions against him? I just want answers.
It was first time she reported him, different from your situation. The post was seem as repercussion of your ban, with attacks from both sides, we decided to let it go, it's up to our discretion.
I want to give a big big clap for Carlita who told the TT manager I would be able to play, and my partner, even pmed both of them, and assured me the ban was going to be lifted before, but then this didnt happen. Also wanted to say sorry to Jess for ruining her TT Tournament
Thanks to everybody who supported me in the different MTF threads while I was banned, I was reading most of the threads while I was off. Special thanks to Nathi, Fernet, Dini and Nikki who helped me with different things each one of them while I was banned.
We discussed about reducing your ban from 1 week to less than it, but we agreed to keep it. No big deal, just one week. You are obviously pissed off becuse you've missed an important internet game.
Minor thanks to Slokid and Zirconek who at least tried to answer in MTF about my ban. I wish you admitted you made a mistake, at least once. Next time you better think about when to ban a user or not, think twice is the user has more power than an actual mod.
Not only the ban wasn't actually shortened, but also you having more power than us never had a role in this play, maybe that's why you were banned.
Finally I will speak in name of a big part of this forum, we want a change in the admins/supermods, the actual ones, cant make an objective decision, and cant see what posts/type of posters make a forum entretaining.
This forum should be informative and fun, we try our best to keep it this way. Posters were banned for wishing death to players in General Messages and TT threads, we make no distinction. Posters were banned for racism in General Messages, Gamblers' Lounge and Chat threads, even if it was made as joke. We try to have a minimum consistency and there're no excuses for offenses/difamation/harrasment/bullying/whatever.
What is that you want? Only posters who post things like: "
Thanks", or "
I want to be your friend?" Lets be realistic, this forum wouldnt live with posters like Nathaliia, myself or dylan, just to name a few.
Of course some spice is welcome to the forum. But we have rules to make it work, to (try to make it) least unbearable.
I think I would make a much better mod, than most of the actual ones, and I already mentioned this to some of them, and of course I am postulating myself to be a supermod or whatever name you give to it.
All of you reading this, be careful every click you do on MTF, after your next post a window saying you are banned could appear, with no explanation at all.
Special paragraph for Ozone and chowdahead
, you showed your class
Good users, specially Ozone.
Dear Mods: You have no reason to give me a ban for this posts, just an opinion and I have bashed exactly 0 users in this report.
Thanks for wasting your time reading this. If the people with an IQ of 145+ would have the power in every type of organization, this world would be much better.
Kisses and bisexual hugs,
(I just got my ban lifted 25 minutes after that what they told
I don't think you'd fit for a mod, but maybe it's only me afraid of a new era where I'll have my ass kicked. I don't think you'd like the tasks of a mod too.