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Oh and re: the outfit - my guess is he wore it so long b/c he started wearing it when he started doing so well (post-Wimby)... so maybe he'll get something new now since he lost? LOL! I agree though, I don't love the current outfit.
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Subtracting rest of year's points now

4050 Andy
3880 if wins Madrid or 3850 Ferrero
3390 Federer
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...and Andy's "lead" has shrunk. C'mon on stronger Andy.

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Yep. It would do my nerves wonders if Andy were to do well in Basel and Paris.
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Well let's just hope Andy can do ok in Basel, would be great to see him pick up a few points but he'd have to get to the finals to get anything (11pts) whereas JCF has only 15 for his best result so he can pick up some more. So Basel isn't really a big deal though it'd be nice for Andy to pick up a few points there if he can. The difference is that JCF's results from last year counted for his best 5, so if he doesn't get to the SF he'll lose points... am I thinking about this correctly? At least Andy can't lose any points since it wasn't part of his best 5 last year.

Paris will be huge. If Federer wins, it'll bring him right up with Andy and JCF and make it a real 3-way race. If Andy or JCF win/go further in the tourney than the other, it'll give them the lead, momentum, and all that stuff for the final push in Houston. Granted, Andy has nothing to defend in Houston and that helps I guess so that gives him 400 pts over JCF in that department... if he can do well in Paris and JCF gets too tired or whatever, that 400 pts cushion on top of the Paris results will be HUGE.

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See what a points wonk you have become in such a short time!!!

Ok, I will save all my nerves for Paris then.

But still, I think it is important for him to do well in Basel for his psyche if nothing else.
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See what a points wonk you have become in such a short time!!!

Ok, I will save all my nerves for Paris then.

But still, I think it is important for him to do well in Basel for his psyche if nothing else.
LOL I learn fast.... or try to That's what this $25,000/yr for the fancy university is for, right? LOL!

Anyway, oh totally... he needs to do well in Basel for his own good LOL! Hopefully Federer won't be in his side of the draw again, speaking of helping the psyche. Even though Andy won over the summer, I feel like Federer is one of the only guys on the ATP tour who holds something psychologically over Andy.... maybe I'm wrong and it just won't be an issue, but yea, doing well in Basel would definitely be the desired result I notice that he's not playing doubles again with Blake so maybe he just really wants to focus on the singles. He's had time to rest (and hopefully get to Basel really early to get used to the courts really really well) and Federer and JCF should be pretty tired, esp. JCF. This time Federer will have home-crowd momentum so he should be OK but JCF might tank early and lose a few points...
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I doubt JCF will tank. It's just not in him to do so since he's got so much fight and desire.

IMO, Brad will have talked to Andy about him losing early in Madrid...working out the kinks and stuff. Plus the surface in Paris suits Andy better than the one in Madrid.

And based on the QF showings of JC and Andy last year, and the extra cushion lead JC has gotten by winning Madrid...unless Andy outright wins Paris, he will most likely be staying #2 until at least Houston.

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The only reason JCF could go out of Basel (or if he does well in Basel, Paris) early would be just plain being exhausted. He doesn't seem like the type to give up - however Andy isn't either and he wants it too. Hopefully Madrid was a real wake-up call for him and it's intensified his desire to go into Basel and Paris with the intention that he had all summer long - that fire. Ferrero has nothing to defend in Paris but Roddick and Federer both have QF points - that could end up being a factor also, I guess.

From the way it looks like Ferrero played today, being tired may or may not be an issue in Basel, and it could become an issue in Paris but maybe not there either. Would depend on how he does I guess. But since his points count for Basel, he will lose points if he does not make Semis again, whereas it will not affect Andy or Federer in the same way.

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Bunk, you must be at Rice.

I think Andy might not finish at number one now. But that is all right.

I'm sure JCF won't tank. There is a war of will and of ability going on between the three now. Federer wasn't pleased to lose to JCF either.
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Bunk, you must be at Rice.

I think Andy might not finish at number one now. But that is all right.

I'm sure JCF won't tank. There is a war of will and of ability going on between the three now. Federer wasn't pleased to lose to JCF either.
Yes, I am.... ? lol

And yes of course it's OK if Andy ends up #2 or even #3 - he had an amazing year, had the best GS results (not points-wise but getting far in the most tourneys) than anyone, and he's set up a real threat with him and Brad for him to just keep getting better over the next years.

I think I misused the word tank. I just meant that he *may* lose early, but not because of something he does, just from being tired (also, Basel looks like it'll be a tough-as-nails tourney, Henman and Philippousis aren't even seeded so early matches could be really tight, even for the top seeds), I wasn't suggesting that JCF will give up or anything. But I don't think Andy will either. Before, I wouldn't have been able to say either way, but you aren't down 2 sets and match-point in a TB and come back and win if you are a person who gets down and gives up.

My hope is that Andy's losing in Madrid was the cold shower he needed to turn up his intensity. Like losing in the DC against Hrbaty, he came out swinging against Beck. I'd like to see that happen again in Basel and Paris - not letting the crowd being against him get to him and him setting the tone. We saw one Andy in Madrid and I have a feeling we might see a different one in Basel and Paris. And I have a feeling Brad said to him "look, if you want this, this is what you have to do." And Brad clearly has some influence on Andy's psyche or their matchup wouldn't have been so successful SO fast. I think he wants it bad and just doesn't talk about it as much as Ferrero does. But I could be wrong, lord knows that happens a lot. Guess we'll know it all in a couple weeks!
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cmon andy you can get number one still....prove those andy bashers wrong...wait you already have...lol....i have faith that andy will win masters...and even if he doesnt i will still be so proud of him for all he has accomplished...hes had a great year and hes only 21....i love you andy.....best wishes....i wish you could read this message board andy and see my love for you will never fade...lol

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Well it sounds like Ferrero has pulled out of Basel so he should lose 175 pts from his QF result from last year and it means he can't gain any ground.. if Andy can make it to the SF or F he'll regain the lead in the Champions Race and also gain Entry points.. let's hope Andy comes out of Basel rolling. If so, he'll make Paris and Houston a little easier.
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yes....cmon andy

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Bunk -- one of my best friends went to Rice and now he lives only about 5 blocks from there. I used to spend a lot of time on the Rice campus years ago.
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