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Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

Does anyone remember Pete's match against Andre in the quarterfinals of Wimbledon in 1993? I recently saw a 'Wimbledon Legends' replay and they showed a few bits of this match- I couldn't believe it was the same two players!
I know Pete won 6-2,6-2,3-6,3-6,6-4, but I really don't know the details of the match. How did Pete play during the first two sets to win them 2 and 2? Did Andre pick up his game in the 3rd and 4th sets or did Pete have a lapse? How did Pete stop the momentum change to win the fifth set? The more details the better!
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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

I dont know the details of that match, but i am sure one of us here can find something about it, let us get back to you okay.
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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

Great, thanx
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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

Hmm, even I don't remember that match.

Regarding Pete winning the first two sets and then losing the next two, you know with people like Agassi, you never know when they will play good or when they will miss. At that time, Agassi was bit like Marat is now.

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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

Could be, Lalitha.

I think however this was a really pivotal match in Pete's development. I think he was injured during that match and yet he found a way to win subsequently winning the title by destroying Becker in the semis and Courier in the final.

Had he lost that match, I can't help thinking how maybe his career would have looked a lot different in retrospect.
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Agreed. But Pete's mental strength is such that he could come out of any trouble to win the match. I wish I had 10% of it.

One more thing I admire is, his facial expression. It's a dead pan, and opponents can never make out what he is thinking.

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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

That's right

But I think in the context of 1993 his mental fortitude was somewhat of an unknown quantity at that point. Many people still remembered the "I'm relieved" comment he made after losing in the 91 USO to Courier. So I think in many ways that match against Agassi was character building and thus career defining.
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Yes, I heard read a few articles on the 'I relieved' comment he made. But according to him his USO finals loss in 92 to Edberg has changed everything. It was then he realised that being second is worst. The fire started burning there - may be Andre fuelled it and made it burn more.

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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

sorry, i did not know coz i only followed tennis since 1995

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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

So did I, Mimi, which is why I asked

Lalitha, I also remember Pete making a remark about the Edberg loss sticking with him until he beat Courier in that Wimbledon final, and that he felt pressure like never before going into Wimbledon since he made it to #1 in the rankings despite not winning a grand slam in more than two years. So his achievement is all the more admirable considering all the added pressure he had on him to win- especially beating 3 different #1 players and multiple GS winners in three consecutive rounds.
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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

You are right Lalitha, that 1992 US open lost was the turning point in his career, read most if not all of his interviews, and they ask him that same question, and he gave the same answer - here is a quote from his recent interview - When I was growing up and won the US open [ 1990], I wasn't sure what I wanted. I wasn't that great a competitor, not very strong mentally, always a little question about my heart.

That's the way I was up until I loss in the 1992 open final. If that loss never happened, I wouldn't have achieved what I achieved. That was my career-defining moment.

Before, I was happy at No. 6, getting to semis and finals of majors. But I always kind of packed it in a little - no, that's too strong, I just didn't dig deep enough. I found out that nobody cares who comes in second. That loss made me become a winner. It made me believe.

His 1991 comments was blown out of proportion by the media and some of his fellow competitors, noteable Jimmy Connors. Get his book (A Legend in the Works, by H.A. Branham) and you can read all about that 1991 incident.

Here are 5 of his most memorable matches:

1. Early 1980's, a first round junior match in San Diego " I drove down with my dad. I lost 6-0, 6-0 and cried the whole ride home.

2. 1992 US open final; Stefan Edberg d. Sampras " The match that turned my career around."

3. 1995 US open final; Sampras d. Agassi. " We went in different directions after this one."

4. 2000 Winbledon final; Sampras d. Rafter. " The record, sure, but it was also the first time my parents watched me live at Wimbledon. That meant a lot."

5. 2002 US open final; Sampras d. Agassi. "My happiest moment."
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sorry the bad boss has returned from Guangzhou, i need to work, see you all tomorrow

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Get his book (A Legend in the Works, by H.A. Branham) and you can read all about that 1991 incident.
I've got it, great book
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these books, i have not seen it in HK

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Re: Anyone remember Pete vs. Andre Wimbledon 1993?

I'll check for that book here. Hope I could find it.

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