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View Poll Results: Would you like rotation of tournaments or polls?
I prefer what we have today with polls 12 46.15%
I would like to see rotation of tournaments 14 53.85%
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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 10-23-2016, 09:01 AM Thread Starter
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Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

As suggested by Hidalgo:


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Suggestion: cancel polls for voting for 2-3 ATP 250/500 on the week

reasons:
1. Usually 15-20 players vote We have about 80 players here in ST
2. Managers forget to do poll on time
3. Usually players vote for event with best field so no need in poll

Method: For example, for week 43 Basel/Vienna we can play 1 year Basel, and next year Vienna etc.
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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

I think voting is fine. It mostly affects 250s who are a) not too stacked anyway whichever tournament we choose and b) prone to changing cities.

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

Great idea.
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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

yes, I prefer what we have today with polls.

if a manager forgets to start poll, somebody can start it.






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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

Why not just make it manager's choice? Saves a lot of bureaucracy, IMO.

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

i like the way it is
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gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood idea

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

I have what I believe is a better idea for optional tournament reform:

1-The manager decides where to play.

2-A minimum of one tournament is held, but more tournaments can be held in the same week. What I mean by this is each non-mandatory week we have to play at least one tournament, but if there's volunteers to manage another tournament I say let's do it. For instance last week, we had Stockholm, Moscow and Antwerp, we needed a minimum of 1 of them but if managers for all 3 came up why not play all 3?

This way everyone would have the chance to play wherever they want + if all tournaments are played each manager has less work to do than they would otherwise.

3-If this went ahead, what would be the rules for entering tournament? As far as I'm concerned, I'd be ok with all results counting, it'd increase the importance of optional tournaments in the rankings (the optional point count would be higher for most players if there was a bigger sample from which to extract their 6 best results) and make the rankings more dynamic (for instance, last week there could have been 750p at stake instead of 250); but I'd also be ok with each player only being allowed to enter one tournament each week or only the best result in a given week counting (like in FITD).


I'd even go as far to suggest there's no reason we don't play every tournament of the year, all other MTF games do it. But I guess we might not have enough managers to carry that out?

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

I like polls, they are fun and democratic, but if it's a problem for the managers I understand.

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

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-A minimum of one tournament is held, but more tournaments can be held in the same week. What I mean by this is each non-mandatory week we have to play at least one tournament, but if there's volunteers to manage another tournament I say let's do it. For instance last week, we had Stockholm, Moscow and Antwerp, we needed a minimum of 1 of them but if managers for all 3 came up why not play all 3?

This way everyone would have the chance to play wherever they want + if all tournaments are played each manager has less work to do than they would otherwise.

3-If this went ahead, what would be the rules for entering tournament? As far as I'm concerned, I'd be ok with all results counting, it'd increase the importance of optional tournaments in the rankings (the optional point count would be higher for most players if there was a bigger sample from which to extract their 6 best results) and make the rankings more dynamic (for instance, last week there could have been 750p at stake instead of 250); but I'd also be ok with each player only being allowed to enter one tournament each week or only the best result in a given week counting (like in FITD).


I'd even go as far to suggest there's no reason we don't play every tournament of the year, all other MTF games do it. But I guess we might not have enough managers to carry that out?
I really like the idea of playing all tournaments. I don't think managers are much of a problem - there isn't much work in managing suicide. I could manage nearly every week if there was a need to do that - there wouldn't be timely updates all the time, but that is not really needed.
And I also like the idea of a player entering all tournaments of a week - a fitting ranking formula obviously would be needed then, but that could be done...
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I really like the idea of playing all tournaments. I don't think managers are much of a problem - there isn't much work in managing suicide. I could manage nearly every week if there was a need to do that - there wouldn't be timely updates all the time, but that is not really needed.
And I also like the idea of a player entering all tournaments of a week - a fitting ranking formula obviously would be needed then, but that could be done...
Same here, I wouldn't mind managing a tournament every week or almost every week. Managing ST is pretty easy, of course some weeks I won't be able to update daily but it's not really necessary, all that's needed is an update at the end of the week so you can update the rankings. Unlike say TT it's a game where the players don't need help from the manager to play or even to know how well they're doing.

My idea would be: playing all tournaments and every one can count ie a player can count two tournaments played in the same week if that's the case. I'd maintain the current ranking system: I was going to suggest increasing the # of non-mandatories from 6 to 10, but if we play every tournament I think that's enough for 250/500 gaining some more weight, I believe we'll see players getting considerably more points in their non-mandatory column. I believe that's a positive change because while on the ATP winning a Slam is way harder than winning a 250, that's not really the case in this game imo, optional events should carry some more weight in the rankings...

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

How about more than one tournament a week is played? That happens on TF.
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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

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I really like the idea of playing all tournaments. I don't think managers are much of a problem - there isn't much work in managing suicide. I could manage nearly every week if there was a need to do that - there wouldn't be timely updates all the time, but that is not really needed.
And I also like the idea of a player entering all tournaments of a week - a fitting ranking formula obviously would be needed then, but that could be done...
OK, then I suggest we make a poll for this too. Can you do it? I'm too tired to thing of poll options atm.

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OK, then I suggest we make a poll for this too. Can you do it? I'm too tired to thing of poll options atm.
I will do it. It was originally my idea after all. I'll make big poll with lots of options.

Edit: Done. http://www.menstennisforums.com/460-...st-2017-a.html

I explained every option in the poll so people can be more informed about what they're voting for.

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Re: Rotation of tournaments instead of polls?

Either way, you still have to beat the other players regardless of where it is played. harder events are often the ones where there is closely matched players (like this week in Vienna).
I don't have a preference each week, so I dont vote in the polls. I picked rotation.
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