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post #1 of 61 (permalink) Old 10-27-2007, 12:46 AM Thread Starter
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Re: paris: will this thread go beyond 1 page?

More than a page? Maybe not for singles....

Does it seem that he always gets difficult 1st round draws?
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Re: paris: will this thread go beyond 1 page?

Ofcourse it goes beyond one page!

As usual, maybe a little too optimistic

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Doubles: seeded 8th with a bye in the first round. Their opponents will be either Seb/Jo or Allegro/Lindstedt.

I read that they were going to ask to have their first match on Thursday due to his injury(s).

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maybe mika should rest and nurse his injuries instead, if their shanghai place is pretty secure...
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Re: paris: will this thread go beyond 1 page?

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will this thread go beyond 1 page?
You should have made a poll
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singles: Clement vs Youzhny
Good luck to Misha against Gonzales
Though well, who knows, maybe Arnaud will be inspired with the great victories of his friend. The match is already tomorrow, by the way.
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Doubles: seeded 8th with a bye in the first round. Their opponents will be either Seb/Jo or Allegro/Lindstedt.
Of course it's tennis, but Seb and Arnaud playing against each other in doubles is such a wrong thing...
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maybe mika should rest and nurse his injuries instead, if their shanghai place is pretty secure...
Totally agree. Surely that "Llodra" and "crazy" is a kind of synonymes but here he'd better beware of his own crazyness and receive proper healing.

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from official site:
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La saison d'Arnaud Clément (photo) s'achève face à Mikhail Youzhny. Face au 18e titre mondial, "La Clé" est trop irrégulier (28 fautes directes contre 16 à son adversaire). En 1h22, le Russe s'impose 6/4, 6/3.
and more of the same...

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I don't understand the text, so what is he doing there?
He looks cute

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without going through translation, here's what i understand

...facing the 18th in the world, la cle is too irregular (28 unforced errors versus 16 from his opponent). the russian beat him 64 63 in 1h22
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Re: paris: will this thread go beyond 1 page?

I saw the match. Arnaud just couldn't get his backhand into the court, basically. The first game he hit four great winners, then was sporadic after that point. He was spotty even in the three other games he got in the first set but was forcing play enough.

He was up 4-3* 30-15 and then error after error afterwards.

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Re: paris: will this thread go beyond 1 page?

After this article, beyond 1 page ! (and after irina's translation... )

Tournoi à Paris-Bercy: Clément tire le rideau sur une saison décevante et fait des révélations


PARIS (AFP) - Arnaud Clément, après avoir tiré le rideau sur une saison décevante à Paris-Bercy, a révélé lundi soir qu'il avait déjà été approché pour laisser filer un match contre de l'argent.
Aphone sur le court lors de son premier tour face à Mikhail Youzhny (défaite 6-4, 6-3), l'Aixois a été nettement plus explicite ensuite pour alimenter une chronique qui défraye le monde du tennis depuis la début de l'été.


"Ca m'est déjà arrivé, je ne dirai pas où, ni la somme que l'on m'a proposé, mais on m'a déjà demandé de perdre un match", a déclaré l'Aixois, qui avoue être réticent à en dire plus parce qu'il craint pour son intégrité physique.

Si Clément est le premier Français à s'exprimer publiquement sur le sujet, il ne fait que confirmer ce que d'autres joueurs comme Goldstein, Elseneer, Tursunov ou Djokovic ont déjà signalé: le fléau existe et pollue le monde du tennis comme l'a également reconnu lundi le président de la Fédération française de tennis (FFT), Christian Bîmes, qui a fait état "de tentatives (de corruption) sur un tournoi du Grand Chelem".

"Je ne peux pas vous dire combien il y en a. Tout ce que je peux dire, c'est que ça m'est arrivé, et ça ne m'arrivera plus je pense", a souligné Clément, qui estime que la prise de conscience du problème réduit la marge de manoeuvre des fraudeurs potentiels.

A Bercy, la FFT a mis en place un triple dispositif, sollicitant notamment les Renseignements généraux (RG), pour dissuader les joueurs, leur entourage et le microcosme en général de se laisser tenter par un petit tour sur les sites de paris sportifs.

Suffisant pour empêcher toute manoeuvre frauduleuse? Difficile à dire, d'autant qu'il est extrêmement difficile de prouver qu'un joueur a fait exprès de perdre. La tentation en revanche est bien réelle, selon Clément.

"Je me mets à la place du jeune joueur ou du joueur qui ne gagne pas très sa vie. C'est sûr que même si il a refusé la proposition, cela doit le perturber pendant son match", souligne le Français qui croit avoir décelé "deux ou trois trucs bizarres sur certains matches."

"J'ai déjà vu des matches où un joueur balançait les points. Cela peut arriver à tout le monde d'en avoir marre. La question est de savoir s'il s'agit de la combinaison des deux éléments. Mais ceux qui ont fraudé, il faut les exclure du circuit."
Sur le court, l'Aixois avait auparavant été moins catégorique, terminant son année sur un match qui peut servir de résumé à sa saison: "Je savais qu'un match moyen n'allait pas suffire et j'ai fait un match moyen, à l'image de ma saison."

"Je vais terminer entre 55e et 60e mondial, c'est pas mal mais pas terrible non plus. Moyen quoi. Mais je suis content d'avoir gagné un Grand Chelem en double (Wimbledon avec Llodra)", a ajouté le Français qui, hormis une brève éclaircie sur gazon, où il a atteint la finale à Nottingham et les demi-finales au Queen's, n'a jamais gagné plus de deux matches dans un tournoi.


"A la base, nous les Français, sommes les champions du monde des râleurs. J'ai l'impression qu'être français, c'est un peu un handicap pour être le meilleur dans ton sport.
Pour faire du sport de haut niveau, d'autres mentalités sont plus propices".

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Re: paris: will this thread go beyond 1 page?

No need any translation...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7068456.stm

Clement reveals match-fix offer

Clement was not prepared to reveal details of the offer
Frenchman Arnaud Clement, a former top 10 player, has revealed he was offered money to throw a match.
"It happened to me but I will not tell you where or how," he said after his first-round defeat to Mikhail Youzhny at the Paris Masters on Monday.

"I didn't hesitate for a second, I said no," added the 29-year-old, now ranked 53rd in the world.

"It may be different for a guy who's not that high up in the rankings and who has financial problems."

[Match-fixing] is a dreadful disease which is a threat for tennis worldwide

French Tennis Federation (FFT) president Christian Bimes
Clement, runner-up at the 2001 Australian Open, added: "It's very serious. I can't imagine that a top 10 player could accept that but it's hard to imagine as well that guys go to tournaments to make such offers.

"I haven't heard many players say it happened to them."

Earlier on Monday French Tennis Federation (FFT) president Christian Bimes said organisers of the Paris event were taking the threat of possible match-fixing very seriously.

"We consider this a serious problem," Bimes said. "It is a dreadful disease which is a threat for tennis worldwide.

"We have to act straight away and be as severe with this as we are with doping," he added.

Betting on matches at the Paris event is being watched for anything suspicious, while matches are also being recorded and analysed by former players and ATP supervisors.

606: DEBATE
Gambling seems to be an ever increasing burden in the sport of tennis

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Players are also banned from betting at the venue.

"We have contacted police," said FFT general director Jean-Francois Vilotte.

"If we were to trace a suspicious amount of money placed on one match and to notice anything irregular during that match, we would hand over the information to police and they would launch an official investigation."

Britain's Andy Murray claimed earlier this month that "everyone knows" corruption goes on in tennis.

His comments came after a match in August between Russia's Nikolay Davydenko and lowly-ranked Argentine Martin Vassallo Arguello was voided by British online betting exchange Betfair because of unusual betting patterns.

Davydenko, who has strenuously denied any wrongdoing, was fined $2,000 (£976) for not trying hard enough during his defeat by Marin Cilic at the St Petersburg Open last week.

"A la base, nous les Français, sommes les champions du monde des râleurs. J'ai l'impression qu'être français, c'est un peu un handicap pour être le meilleur dans ton sport.
Pour faire du sport de haut niveau, d'autres mentalités sont plus propices".

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It's a bit scary that so many players tell that they have been offered money to lose matches.

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Joli coup de pub Arnaud !
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I saw the match. Arnaud just couldn't get his backhand into the court, basically. The first game he hit four great winners, then was sporadic after that point. He was spotty even in the three other games he got in the first set but was forcing play enough.

He was up 4-3* 30-15 and then error after error afterwards.

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...facing the 18th in the world, la cle is too irregular (28 unforced errors versus 16 from his opponent). the russian beat him 64 63 in 1h22
Agreed. He looked so tired like maybe he spent time partying with Seb to celebrate his wins ?
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