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Newcombe medal contenders

It's that time of year again. So who should get it?

Personally I think Daria Gavrilova is the clear winner.

But in terms of contenders on the men's side, here are my picks:

1. John Peers. I know doubles isn't that highly regarded for this purpose, but. Two grand slam finals, two titles, made top ten, and qualified for the World Tour Finals. That has to be worth something.

2. Bernard Tomic. Probably not in contention due to his dump on TA earlier in the year. But career high ranking making top 20 for the first time.

That said, in my view doesn't really deserve it - he hasn't actually done anything really spectacular (mickey mouse title like Bogota doesn't count for much in my view, and wins against Ferrer are good, but others have done that too).

Rather, for the first time in his career, actually knuckled down and played (more or less) consistently throughout the year, making lots of quarters etc. Still not really back to his best play, still needs to actually get truly fit and work on his movement. If he actually did that though, next year could be great for him.

3. Nick Kyrgios. Surely out of contention given behaviour issues. And really a disappointing year from him, that win over Feddy notwithstanding. He could be top ten by now if he put his mind to it. And he should have won that Istanbul final. Instead...

4. Groth and Kokk - both have had solid years with some nice achievements (set off Fed; IW run; DC for both), but barring a last minute run by Kokk probably not good enough to knock off the claims of Peers or the women.
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I would give it to Daria Gavrilova too - the problem she has is that her Slam results were dreadful, in spite of her sensational rankings climb and excellent efforts at PM and P5 level. Also, I know her citizenship will come through shortly, but TA might also have issues with awarding their highest honour to someone who technically still isn't an Australian yet!

Don't rule Stosur out completely. She's won the most top level titles in singles of any Aussie this year, and my gut tells me that she will be a "safety" pick if Newk can't justify giving it to a male this year.

Peers has by far the best claim of any of the ATP players on it...but you're right that doubles rarely seems to matter for this award, and in any case Dellacqua has actually compiled an almost identical accomplished doubles record.

Groth might have been in the frame had he managed to make the second week of a Slam. Kokkinakis if his form hadn't collapsed after Roland Garros. And Tomic has been as consistent as he ever has, but has a snowball's chance in hell thanks to that Wimbledon rant...
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I would give it to Daria Gavrilova too - the problem she has is that her Slam results were dreadful, in spite of her sensational rankings climb and excellent efforts at PM and P5 level. Also, I know her citizenship will come through shortly, but TA might also have issues with awarding their highest honour to someone who technically still isn't an Australian yet!

Don't rule Stosur out completely. She's won the most top level titles in singles of any Aussie this year, and my gut tells me that she will be a "safety" pick if Newk can't justify giving it to a male this year.

Peers has by far the best claim of any of the ATP players on it...but you're right that doubles rarely seems to matter for this award, and in any case Dellacqua has actually compiled an almost identical accomplished doubles record.

Groth might have been in the frame had he managed to make the second week of a Slam. Kokkinakis if his form hadn't collapsed after Roland Garros. And Tomic has been as consistent as he ever has, but has a snowball's chance in hell thanks to that Wimbledon rant...
Fair point about Dellacqua - she too has had a great year doubles wise, so maybe a chance to make up for the miss last year. Could you award it to two players?!
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It's that time of year again. So who should get it?

Personally I think Daria Gavrilova is the clear winner.

But in terms of contenders on the men's side, here are my picks:

1. John Peers. I know doubles isn't that highly regarded for this purpose, but. Two grand slam finals, two titles, made top ten, and qualified for the World Tour Finals. That has to be worth something.

2. Bernard Tomic. Probably not in contention due to his dump on TA earlier in the year. But career high ranking making top 20 for the first time.

That said, in my view doesn't really deserve it - he hasn't actually done anything really spectacular (mickey mouse title like Bogota doesn't count for much in my view, and wins against Ferrer are good, but others have done that too).

Rather, for the first time in his career, actually knuckled down and played (more or less) consistently throughout the year, making lots of quarters etc. Still not really back to his best play, still needs to actually get truly fit and work on his movement. If he actually did that though, next year could be great for him.
IMO, TA would look a little bit desperate giving it to Daria, considering that she's not even a citizen (but she has had a great year, I know). I can see what your are saying about Tomic not having had any masiive moments, but I see no reason not to reward consistency and a steady rise to be our top ranked Aussie at 18. It's obviously unlikely that they'll give it to him after the Wimbledon incident, but if it was going to go to a singles player, I think he deserves it.

If not, I agree that John Peers is also deserving, but I can't see them giving it to him. Stosur might be still in the frame?

Shall be an interesting night, will certainly give us a bit more of an insight into how TA views players and their achievements....

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IMO, TA would look a little bit desperate giving it to Daria, considering that she's not even a citizen (but she has had a great year, I know). I can see what your are saying about Tomic not having had any masiive moments, but I see no reason not to reward consistency and a steady rise to be our top ranked Aussie at 18. It's obviously unlikely that they'll give it to him after the Wimbledon incident, but if it was going to go to a singles player, I think he deserves it.

If not, I agree that John Peers is also deserving, but I can't see them giving it to him. Stosur might be still in the frame?

Shall be an interesting night, will certainly give us a bit more of an insight into how TA views players and their achievements....
Yes I suppose Bernie is looking objectively the best just by virtue of his ranking. And at least he didn't run away from a Djokovic match this time, but actually tried for a set. The thing about Bernie though is that this is where he should have been three years ago. Deserves an encouraging progress award, but a bit sad that he hasn't yet pulled off even actually winning a set against Djokovic, or knocking off one of the top 4.

Stosur probably is in the frame given her titles this year, but again, nothing all that dramatic...
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Yes I suppose Bernie is looking objectively the best just by virtue of his ranking. And at least he didn't run away from a Djokovic match this time, but actually tried for a set. The thing about Bernie though is that this is where he should have been three years ago. Deserves an encouraging progress award, but a bit sad that he hasn't yet pulled off even actually winning a set against Djokovic, or knocking off one of the top 4.

Stosur probably is in the frame given her titles this year, but again, nothing all that dramatic...
True, my biggest tennis fear (if that's a thing haha) is that he'll always be a bit of a plodder, rather than truly dominating.... He has so much talent, if he could just put in the work and improve his fitness, there's no reason why he couldn't stay with Nole in a match like that one. The control he has over the raquet head...

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I was recently thinking about the voting process for this medal and I think it could be done differently to produce a more fair and accurate result. Instead of merely getting five or so people to agree on who it should go to, they should do the following:

All sit down and agree on a ranking of the top 25 biggest match wins by Aussies over the past year (including dubs, davis cup and fed cup etc). Then allocate points to each win. The strongest match win gets 25 points, the second best 24 and so on. Whoever has the most points wins the award.

Currently I feel like they hold the view that winning big matches on the mens is more of an achievement. I'm ok with that. But I believe if they had used this fair system Sam would've won the award consecutively since 2009 or so.
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I find it difficult to believe that Sam Groth would have won every year under your system.
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I find it difficult to believe that Sam Groth would have won every year under your system.
Presume meant the other Sam - Stosur. But not convinced about that one either! She may have been hard done by once or twice, but...
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It's going to be a tough call this year but I think the winner of the Newcombe Medal will come from the Davis Cup tie in Darwin. The heroics of Hewitt and Groth will be the winner, but which one do you go with? Kyrgios also has an Australian Open QF and a Wimbledon 4th Round credit to his name as well as a win over Federer. However, his behaviour has been divisive and uncouth. Tomic has had a consistent year but will Tennis Australia hold a grudge over his comments about them? If the medal has nothing to do with merely being a Tennis Australia PR stunt, then it'll award Kyrgios or Tomic with the win. If not, then it will either go to Hewitt or Groth IMO.
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If Gavrilova gets this over Peers despite winning only one Grand Slam match, it's a bit of a shambles.

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It's going to be a tough call this year but I think the winner of the Newcombe Medal will come from the Davis Cup tie in Darwin. The heroics of Hewitt and Groth will be the winner, but which one do you go with? Kyrgios also has an Australian Open QF and a Wimbledon 4th Round credit to his name as well as a win over Federer. However, his behaviour has been divisive and uncouth. Tomic has had a consistent year but will Tennis Australia hold a grudge over his comments about them? If the medal has nothing to do with merely being a Tennis Australia PR stunt, then it'll award Kyrgios or Tomic with the win. If not, then it will either go to Hewitt or Groth IMO.
It would be an outrage if it went to Groth based on Darwin tbh! I like Sam a lot and he has had a good year singles wise, but doubles win against a good but not top team balanced by two losses, vs Czechs and GB. Personally I still can't help thinking that if it had been a Kokk-Hewitt combo, they might just have pulled it off.

So far as the singles at Darwin goes, it was an important win, but Groth was surely hugely helped by the fact that he was playing a guy who was on his second singles match in three days. And had Kokk been allowed to play Nedovesov, good chance he would have won that one. More importantly, so far as DC goes, much more impressive (and just as vital if less dramatic circumstances) win was Kokk v Rosol.

Really so far as the men goes, I reckon they might be hoping Peers goes really well at the WTF. Could then justify the medal over Dellacqua and would be a nice consolation prize for not being in the DC team.

Short of that, really really hard to go past Tomic on the men's side. But really can't see them giving it to him - who knows what he might say on the night!

If it was an award for most improved, Millman, Kokk and Groth would all be in with a chance, but it isn't.

Maybe they'll go with Hewitt as a lifetime career achievement celebration as a way around the problem...

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Six of Australia’s top tennis players – 2015 Australian and US Open winner Dylan Alcott, breakthrough talent Sam Groth, rising star Thanasi Kokkinakis, evergreen champion Sam Stosur and doubles stars Casey Dellacqua and John Peers – have been named finalists for this year’sNewcombe Medal.

The highest honour in Australian tennis will be presented to the most outstanding elite tennis player and ambassador for the sport at a special awards ceremony to be held in Melbourne on Monday 23 November.

Tennis Australia CEO Craig Tiley said the Newcombe Medal, Australian Tennis Awards celebrated all levels of achievement within the tennis community.

“It is not just about honouring Australia’s most outstanding tennis player, the awards are about recognising and celebrating the exceptional accomplishments and contributions of tennis communities, coaches, clubs and schools around the country,” he said.

The 2015 finalists were honoured to learn of their nomination for the sport’s top gong.

Alcott said: “It’s unbelievable. I think I’m the first athlete with a disability to ever be nominated for the Newks, which is absolutely incredible. To be recognised purely as an elite athlete and to be among the other nominees and those who have won in the past, it’s humbling. I can’t believe it, it’s awesome.”

Dellacqua said: “I’m excited to be nominated for the Newcombe Medal again. There have been some great results by all Australian players this year, and it’s an honour to be nominated.”

Groth said: “To be nominated for the Newcombe Medal really caps off what I feel was a real breakthrough year for me. I was really happy with the way 2015 went and although I stopped my season a little early due to injury, being nominated is a great way to close my best season yet. It was a great year for a lot of Aussie players so for now I’ll keep my fingers crossed and look forward toNovember 23.”

Kokkinakis said: “I’m pretty excited… It’s obviously an honour to be nominated for the big medal. I won the junior medal last year so it’s obviously a good transition I’ve made. I’m in good company so it should be a great night.”

Peers said: “It’s a great honour to be nominated for the Newcombe Medal. It has been a great year for me and to get nominated for this award is a privilege.”

Stosur said: “It’s nice to be nominated again. Obviously I’ve been nominated five times now and have won it a couple of times. I guess to be back in that position is a good feeling, to still be up there in Australian tennis.”

The sixth edition of the Newcombe Medal, Australian Tennis Awards will take place at Crown Palladium in Melbourne.

The full list of finalists is as follows:
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Finalists: Dylan Alcott (Vic), Casey Dellacqua (WA), Sam Groth (Vic), Thanasi Kokkinakis (SA), John Peers (Vic), Sam Stosur (Qld)

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No Tomic is entirely predictable, yet still bizarre given he is our highest ranked singles player.

I am pleased that Dylan Alcott has got a nomination - and something tells me he's actually not out of the frame for the Newcombe Medal itself, given that finding a clear winner this year seems very difficult.

The only factor I can see altering things now is if John Peers and Jamie Murray win the championship in London.
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I wonder if Bernie will ever be able to be fully on side with Tennis Australia after this year. Hopefully from now on, they can just focus on his tennis when considering him for accolades (providing he has no more misdemeanors)...

It does make for a very interesting field of nominees though, and I certainly wouldn't put money on anyone in particular.

Giving it to Thanasi or even Sam Groth would seem a bit too strange, they just haven't had the achievements this year that you would associate with the award, although you could argue that Sam deserves it on the basis of his improvement/breakthrough.

Giving it to Alcott could be a reasonable PR move I suppose, I wouldn't know how deserving he is, I haven't been following his tennis.

Dellacqua sure would be out of left field, I don't see her doubles results as being quite sufficient to get a Newc.

As Talkontennis said, John Peers could nab this award, but would have to perform very well at the tour finals IMO.

And then we have Stosur. I suppose, you would have to say that in this unpredictable field, she is something of a slight favourite due to her ranking, but she also has not had any massive achievements (although she did win a title, which was great).

I shall find this night very, very interesting. Hope there's a stream!

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