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Sydney International Qualies: Hewitt breezes through while Looch stuns. Thoughts?

AO WC playoff streamed live on tennis.com.au

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Re: AO WC playoff streamed live on tennis.com.au

Just look at the field
The men’s field is: Brydan Klein, Nick Lindahl, Greg Jones, Bernard Tomic, John Millman, Mathew Ebden, Kaden Hensel, James Lemke, Dayne Kelly, Matt Reid, Kris Balakrishnan, Benjamin Mitchell, James Duckworth, Maverick Banes, JP Smith and Jason Kubler.
and you can come to the conclusion that Tennis OZ really pursuing their youth development policy (not particularly good, need some experience in there).

just dont like the fact that relatively inexperienced players are against each other.
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They been pushing this youth policy awhile now and it sucks. In fact I think from when Steve Wood and Craig Tiley took over .....

They call this a mens play off , , Who selects these W/C s ?

There is only 1 Victorian in the whole playoff,

I wouldn't be suprised if people didn't even bother entering next year as this is not a Mens Play off.

It is just TA invitational and who knows what that means, it certainly isn't all our best players out there hoping to play their own Grand Slam , so whats it for ?

Lets see if the results mean anything any way when they hand out the next lot of w/cs for the summer, ?


It sucks that guys go out , work their asses off to get their ATP rankings , spend money to do so , and in this country it is not even respected. It s becoming a complete joke.
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The youth policy really does suck. IMO though the field is fine except for the inclusions of Duckworth and Banes and possibly Balakrishnan. Junaid would consider himself extremely unlucky not to make it after his wins over Istomin, Kubot and Brown and pushing Hrbaty to three sets in his home town in recent weeks.

It's ridiculous with Propoggia and Verryth being overlooked and they aren't even 20 but yet last year they were considered hugely promising players by Tennis Australia. You can't tell me that Duckworth or Banes are better prospects than Verryth and Verryth is in form as shown by his result at the Eddie Herr junior tounament. Mckenzie has disappeared also. These days it is becoming common to see guys in their mid 20's crack the top 100 for their first time eg; Zeballos, Lorenzi and Ram.

Baker (USA) - Bedene (SLO) - Bellucci (BRA) - Berta (SWE) - Cuevas (URU) - Domijan (USA) - Ebden (AUS) - Estrella (DOM) - Grigelis (LTU) - Guccione (AUS) - Heliovaara (FIN) - Kavcic (SLO) - King (BAH) - Kontinen (FIN) - Kubler (AUS) - Lajovic (SRB) - Matosevic (AUS) - McGee (IRE) - Millman (AUS) - Mitchell (AUS) - Nielsen (DEN) - Nieminen (FIN) - Paire (FRA) - Udomchoke (THA)
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Junaid and Siranni pissed on again, not a surprise. Some of these young guys deserve to be there like Edben, Millman, Tomic, Reid, but others well whatever.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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What happened to the MEN's Playoff? Surely these young ones like Duckworth, Banes, Mitchell will have their chance in coming years. And I thought the criteria for the 18's National was the eventual Winner got a wildcard to the Playoff not the winner and the semi finalists! Got to feel sorry for the semi finalists of years ago when they didn't get an opportunity. Seems odd to put them in. Even Kubler who won the 18s didn't win a match at Future Level over the last few weeks even after being granted a couple of wildcards so why would the others do any better. Ta just seems to have taken it on themselves to grant to whomever they want not to whoever as worked their butts off all year to deserve it. Got to feel for some of the others that were overlooked. Sometimes this sport sucks and you can understand why the kids and parents get so dillusioned. Why are some of our older (22,23yrolds) players considered washed up - not all players are "early maturers".
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yeah they have put in 3 . 1990 players 19 years old which they should , they have then totally jumped the whole 1991 age group eg Verryth , Sanders , Hoh, the last World Junior Davis cup winners , Barker ATP 955 , Eames former AUS 14 s world team player where are they all now at 18 ?

TA they are clearly putting all their focus into players 1992 down.

Best not to enter if you are over 17 , as they pretty muchhand pick the event.

There is only one player from VIC in the whole event.
Didnt Ebilthite win this last year , and yeah McKenzie won the 18s last year, and where are both of them. Dane Proppogia left out amazing. Yeah a favorite last year, nearly beat Tomic but hurt himself in third set.

Matt Reid and Kelly deserve to be in.

This all shows how TA can love you one minute and dump you the next. Shows how some players will be ignored totally .

Who does these selections ? Why dont they call it the " TA W/C play off " instead of the " Mens Open Play off ."

Junaid not in what a joke after his results this year. Siriani not in, what a rotten lack of respect. Thanks goodness looch got his own ranking up, he showed them. After not getting into AO last year.

This isi what every one will need to do and then totally by pass this event.
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WOW if you look at AUS MENS ATP RANKINGS , Which should count when playing off for a Mens Event !

You will see just how many players Tennis Australia have totally disrespected and ignored by " hand picking " this countries mens Play off event.
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all ur posts in summary are saying: we dislike TA provigidng a platform to all youth players and snubbing older more experienced players. I just hope this doesn't backfire on TA. I hope this has a good result for tennis in the future BUT i have my doubts. I fell sorry for older players, TA are sending a messsage get on your own feet we are not providing you with any assistance.

Is this really the right approach? Does there need to be a comprimise? Or does this make older players work harder to move up through the ranks?
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It's ok for them to not to go by rankings as long as they get the selections right which for the last two years they have not. The only surprise selection they got right this year in my opinion was JP Smith.

Baker (USA) - Bedene (SLO) - Bellucci (BRA) - Berta (SWE) - Cuevas (URU) - Domijan (USA) - Ebden (AUS) - Estrella (DOM) - Grigelis (LTU) - Guccione (AUS) - Heliovaara (FIN) - Kavcic (SLO) - King (BAH) - Kontinen (FIN) - Kubler (AUS) - Lajovic (SRB) - Matosevic (AUS) - McGee (IRE) - Millman (AUS) - Mitchell (AUS) - Nielsen (DEN) - Nieminen (FIN) - Paire (FRA) - Udomchoke (THA)
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yeah they have put in 3 . 1990 players 19 years old which they should , they have then totally jumped the whole 1991 age group eg Verryth , Sanders , Hoh, the last World Junior Davis cup winners , Barker ATP 955 , Eames former AUS 14 s world team player where are they all now at 18 ?

TA they are clearly putting all their focus into players 1992 down.

Best not to enter if you are over 17 , as they pretty muchhand pick the event.

There is only one player from VIC in the whole event.

Didnt Ebilthite win this last year , and yeah McKenzie won the 18s last year, and where are both of them. Dane Proppogia left out amazing. Yeah a favorite last year, nearly beat Tomic but hurt himself in third set.

Matt Reid and Kelly deserve to be in.

This all shows how TA can love you one minute and dump you the next. Shows how some players will be ignored totally .

Who does these selections ? Why dont they call it the " TA W/C play off " instead of the " Mens Open Play off ."

Junaid not in what a joke after his results this year. Siriani not in, what a rotten lack of respect. Thanks goodness looch got his own ranking up, he showed them. After not getting into AO last year.

This isi what every one will need to do and then totally by pass this event.
That first statement I have highlighted is ridiculous, not entering a tournament that gives you the chance to get wildcard into the main draw of the Australian Open is probably the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

To that second statement, why would it matter what state you are from? This is supposed to be the best of the best from Australia (not saying it is) and if Victoria are not producing the places should and will go to the better players. The third statement you have made is based on injuries. Both Mckenzie and Ebelthite have been injured for a lot of 2009, Dane Proppogia is the first alternate for this playoff so he may still get in.

To the fourth comment, last time I checked it was called the Australian Open Playoff. It was never branded the Mens Open Playoff, or National Mens Champions or anything that suggests you have to be a "man" to get entry. To the fifth comment it would be extremely irresponsible of TA to give valuable experiences like these to players in their 30s on the verge of retirement, if Junaid and Sirianni were good enough to play in this playoff their rankings would be inside the top 250 and they would be playing this event but they are not.

To the last comment Australian tennis players shouldn't be relying on this event to gain entrance into the Aussie Open anyway, it was only a few years ago that the winner of this tournament didn't get entry into the AO.

In conclusion it is a little unfair what Tennis Australia has done here but all the semifinalists of the 18s are good enough to play at that standard so let them play. Others will get chances later on.
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They have really taken this youth policy too far. No excuse to choose players like Hensel, Banes, Balakrishnan, over better and more experienced players like Junaid, Sirianni and Ebelthite (defending champion). At least the youth policy on the women's side is justified as the young girls have proved themselves in challengers more so than older players, but that is not the case for the majority of these young guys.

If they really want to give these young guys good experience they should let them play those older, better and more experienced players.
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tell me if you were ranked 350 in the world and you couldnt get in over players ranked 1000 or something would you bother entering again. I dont think you are thinking about what it must be like to walk in these guys shoes, or what they have actually sacrificed to get that sort of ranking.
These younger players are all fully funded by AIS, they are not ranked as high yet get to play off.

Ok yes so it is the AUS OPEN PLAY OFF , not the Mens Open Play off , however there is a 18s and 16s for those younger isnt there. Ok so if you think the 18s have more right to play it , than the higher ranked guys, ( so what if they are getting older, ) then why dont they make it a bigger draw, or at least have a qually play off like they bother to do for the 18s and 16s.

Geez hen they can include the 14s too if they want to.

The fact there is only one Victoria is just plain strange if you ask me makes me wonder what the Elite TA squads are doing for their players in that state, as all other young players are coming from AIS or TA programs . Eg Kubler, Mitchell , Banes, duckworth. That is what that comment means.

Oh and so if you think Siriani and Junaid are not good enough to get in because the are on the verge of retiring then you too should go work for TA.
I think it is a disgrace to over look those players who have given us so much pleasure and fight at the Aus Open. When they retire then that then to me is a good enough reason to over look their ranking and results for the year.

Good dane Proppogia got in . JUST !

Frankly if TA do not respect ATP rankings , and want to W/C every one outside top 250, then they are making this a w/c event.
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Oh and if you think it is nuts not to enter, then there are some that dont bother learning very early that TA will not support them.

It is very clear to some people that if you choose to work outside the system and have a better ranking than many who did get in, then that well could be why.

This is again TA controlling tennis in this country to suit them.

The 12s, 14s, 16s, have three or four nationals a year, the 18s have one , and the age group over have this, so why not give them a chance to be in or even respect their ATP ranking.

If not you tell me Matchu what is the message the elderly !!! are getting . ?
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