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Certainly not the most ideal way to end the season, but he has to be pleased about the way he was able to turn things around this year.

Congrat's on a great year, Robby... and here's to an even better 2006!
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Re: Robby in Paris!

the people who saw the match on TV said that, by the second set, Robby didn't even look like he was trying (which is unlike him, because many times he's had a fighting spirit, coming from behind after being a set down)...Some said he looked tired too (there are probably different interpretations)...which you usually don't see from him either...

I'm gonna get on my soapbox for a moment and say that when I first realized that Robby played at 11:30 AM (the first match of the day) on Wednesday and THEN was scheduled to play at about 9:30 PM (the last match of the day) on Thursday, I thought that if I were him, I would NOT like that, because on Wednesday at 9:30PM, his body was probably winding down already...and so what do you think is going to happen the very next day at that same time??...his body is more than likely ready to start winding down again!...I dunno *sigh*...but it didn't really sound like a recipe for success to me... *steps slowly off soapbox*

A few conspiracy theories came out of this match also...One is that Robby knew his chances of qualifying for Shanghai were like 0.1% (even if he became champion in Paris)..and making it to the 3rd round was good enough to gather a few points for the entry ranking but also sets the bar low enough to improve on during his 2006 season when he plays there again and can gain more points then...

I'd really like to know what Francisco and Robby are talking about right now...
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I thought he could have beaten Gaston!

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the people who saw the match on TV said that, by the second set, Robby didn't even look like he was trying (which is unlike him, because many times he's had a fighting spirit, coming from behind after being a set down)...Some said he looked tired too (there are probably different interpretations)...which you usually don't see from him either...
I saw the match and for me Robby didn't seem to be very motivated for play

I'm not sad because Robby lost, just because I didn't see his fighting spirit

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My personal opinion is that it's impossible to tell when a player is or isn't trying. Robby was still running after shots, he was muttering to himself, he wasn't happy. To me those are signs he still cared and still wanted to win. And he'd pull off the occasional really good shot, I remember one running shot down the line that was great, near the end of the match.

So I suppose it's just a matter of perception and opinion. I personally felt like it was one of those days where he looked tired mentally, and just nothing he was doing was going his way. But that he was trying things - I've seen players who don't even try running for things anymore and I didn't think this was like that. There was one point where he hit an overhead and he just duffed it out... I mean, I don't think he was *trying* to miss it, which if he didn't care about the result and was trying to lose, he would've missed an easy shot like that on purpose, but he was upset about it.

So I dunno, it's just in the perception. I just sort of felt badly for him as opposed to saying, wow I can't believe he tanked the match.

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Re: Robby in Paris!

The Paris site had this to say: "The American looked as though he had given up the hope to turn the situation around. Gaudio was just too solid, whereas Ginepri was looking extremely slow."

Grinder said that Robby really didn't even look frustrated out there...Robby has often thrown his racquet down in times of frustration or when a lead is being taken away from him, or at the very least, yelling out loud or hitting his racquet against the ground...But that apparently wasn't the case during this match. I think Robby was just plain off yesterday, and didn't have that fighting spirit with him...That's what made it so sad to see because it isn't like him...

It's times like these where I wish I could overhear his conversations with Francisco, lol
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Well I disagree. Robby was shaking his head and muttering to himself. He was definitely frustrated. When I watched it I just felt that everything he was trying wasn't working, it was one of those really awful days where you are trying and it's just not happening. And it's not lke Gaudio didn't play well, he did. and I mean the type of game Gaudio plays - how he retrieves everything - isn't the type of player you wanna play if you're having a tough time with your shots.

It was too bad for him to end his season on that note, but I also think it was an aberration.

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Re: Robby in Paris!

Sometimes people talk to themselves even when they are doing well, so I don't think that is necessarily any evidence of frustration, especially the kind of frustration Robby normally displays. Robby was not himself yesterday, and as I said before, I certainly don't think his inconsistent schedule helped him out in any way. Everyone will have their own opinion about it...I wish I could have heard the press conference after the match though...
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No he definitely wasn't himself, and only he knows why. But his muttering to himself, to me, evidenced that he cared and wasn't happy with what was going on out there.

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Re: Robby in Paris!

Sometimes a player is trying and trying and nothing is going right. So of course, he can pull off the occasional good shot, but everything else just won't work when you want it to. And since nothing was working for him and he was sucking, it might appear to those watching that he wasn't trying. Plus, when a player is that frustrated, he might give up on certain points of not run for certain balls.

I didn't see this match so I don't know all that went on...but as someone who plays tennis, I know how it feels for a coach or friend or something to say it looked like you gave up when you really were trying and nothing was going your way.




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Sometimes a player is trying and trying and nothing is going right. So of course, he can pull off the occasional good shot, but everything else just won't work when you want it to. And since nothing was working for him and he was sucking, it might appear to those watching that he wasn't trying. Plus, when a player is that frustrated, he might give up on certain points of not run for certain balls.

I didn't see this match so I don't know all that went on...but as someone who plays tennis, I know how it feels for a coach or friend or something to say it looked like you gave up when you really were trying and nothing was going your way.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I mean, you guys can all believe whatever you want, or you can buy a copy of the match somehow or something and see for yourself. Ultimately it's just a judgment call since only Robby knows what was going on. I mean if it were me, I probably wouldn't want to believe my favorite player wasn't trying, and I've certainly seen Andy have days where I knew he was trying b/c he was upset but just nothing was going right for him. That's what I viewed this match as for Robby. And I mean, I don't like Gaudio all that much either, so I feel as though I watched the match pretty objectively.

I'm just saying that I didn't see any signs that Robby was just giving up and not trying - and if I were a Robby fan that'd make me happy about that. but whatever.

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gotta agree with andrea! robby does talk to himself alot win or lose! up or down! it is never easy to tell when he is up or down on himself fact is he lost! but regardless he has had a gerat season! and has practically nothing to defend for the first half of next year! so in january he will start a fresh! and hopefully earn more points to get his ranking even higher before having to try and defend some of those points in the summer!

i've said it alot this year! i am proud of him

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I'm just saying that I didn't see any signs that Robby was just giving up and not trying - and if I were a Robby fan that'd make me happy about that. but whatever.
just felt that comment needed to be made visible to all, a, coz it was admitting the truth and b, coz it was about the first positive thing i have seen written about robby from debs and it makes me happy

robby is a fighter! sometimes he gets overrun and cannot beat his opponent but he will always fight

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I still sticking with the fact that his illness in Lyon had apart to play in what happened in Paris. But I can agree with idolwatcher1 in that his schedule wasn't very consistent, but I thought that was always the case in a tennis tournament But he has time now to rest and then start work for 2006, which I have already proclaimed the year of the Robby
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not alwyas the case mae! alot of the time you will fidn tournaments arrange to their home players so the home favorites will get to play similar times each day! and other matches are scheduled for tv etc! it varies so it can be sometimes you play at teh same time each day and others you get thrown all over the place!

but as for the illness i don't thinkyou can use it as an excuse as robby didn't himself

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