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#1 ·
dont know if there is a thread already about it,is it is please direct me.

i would like to know how many of you take betting as a job.me for instant,i work 1 job and have dveloping company.but the winnings payed for my last 2 vacations.aruba,mauritius full covared.myaverage bet is around 300euro.

as i am watching the gamblers lounge,it seems people are just writing,what they think.or guess.tey say value this value that,but fuck,if u bet 5 euro,who the fuck cares???u wan to win big or just fuck around?most of the companies out there are making money of this morons,who take for example levine @27 vs nadal.they say its value...fuck off,if u bet 4$.

so i hope u got my point and feel free to share your thoughts!
 
#4 ·
"Value" is subjective. It is only defineable by each individual and their assessment of the match up and the prices involved. Ultimately, any pick anyone makes is by definition seen as value by them otherwise there would be no point in making it.

If you like the match up and you are happy with the price, then to you the pick is value and worth making.

With regards to how much is being staked - the best way to do it is minimal stakes. However, as you get older and more money is available then it's always likely that the stakes will increase. That inturn can give you bigger wins and likewise bigger problems. It's a personal decision and when I started when I was 14 I never imagined I'd stake as much as I do now, but that's the way it goes. As it happens, my really serious days of gambling are actually behind me, even though my stakes are higher than the average punter, but it's all about what you can afford to play with, what you are willing to risk/lose should the worst come to the worst.

I've never subscribed to thinking that you should "only back favs" or "only back dogs". That's just stupid. It's not about that. It's about assessing the match ups and evaluating the prices. Sometimes it'll be favs and sometimes it'll be dogs.

Any pick anyone makes should always be evidenced by something factual or tangible to make the pick viable. So yes, backing Levine against Nadal even at astronomical odds does seem futile to me, because I can't make a case to myself as to why Levine should have the necessary to win. And even if you make the pick with the vision to trade, at a break up or even a set up, Nadal's price is never going to be backable at that stage to make it worth off setting.

However, there are matches where the trade value is there, but again that's just a judgement call for each individual.
 
#5 ·
I would never do gambling as a job and anyone that thinks they could do this for the rest of their life is very naive imo

ive won big money in the past and spent it on nice things but also lost money theres 2 sides to the coin
 
#9 ·
some good responses here have to admit.of course coin has two sides.i lost as well but in the long run,ig u have the same stakes,and u have good money managment ull be fine.at least i am.

back to value,how many of you are betting without odds?i mean,look at the matchup on oop,and choose the player,then look at the odds?i do it maximum 20% of the time but mostly,i check the odds.this makes the conclussion about last night fedex-simon.if you wouldnt see that 38 odd on simon would you choose him?i fuck wouldnt even touch him.now lets look from the other way,asume u didnt see the odd on simon.so u choose simon,and then look at the odds and fedex for some reason would have odd 1.6.would you still take simon at 2.4odd?????fucking give me break!so plz dont tell me that simon was value.didnt see that game have admit but to take player just because idiotic odds,it is not called value,but not smart betting,put it nicely.another example levine.would u choose him knowing that he would be at odd 2.4?surely i wouldnt.

value,mean for someone one thing for someone else opposite.

to the betting as a job.i know for example at least 5 people in my area who are succsefull in that.but not in tennis.one is capping purely 2.division german,another 1st freanch.my point is that they dont touch anything else and just follow one league.and yes they had bad times,but overall they made steady 38% per year.how many of us can say that?but of course they dont play for peanuts.

to sum it up,great info from contributers,at least for me.like to share the thoughts with other punters here.

keep up the good work!if u think that i might be wrong or if u agree post it!
 
#10 ·
back to value,how many of you are betting without odds?i mean,look at the matchup on oop,and choose the player,then look at the odds?i do it maximum 20% of the time but mostly,i check the odds.
I make my picks, I check the prices and if I'm happy with them I play them.

There are many punters out there, though, who are simply tempted by a big price. And that's the reason books will never go broke because there are alot of people out there chasing the big win.

this makes the conclussion about last night fedex-simon.if you wouldnt see that 38 odd on simon would you choose him?i fuck wouldnt even touch him.now lets look from the other way,asume u didnt see the odd on simon.so u choose simon,and then look at the odds and fedex for some reason would have odd 1.6.would you still take simon at 2.4odd?????fucking give me break!so plz dont tell me that simon was value.didnt see that game have admit but to take player just because idiotic odds,it is not called value,but not smart betting,put it nicely.another example levine.would u choose him knowing that he would be at odd 2.4?surely i wouldnt.
I can't speak for Grinder or anyone who did back Simon, but I imagine they didn't back Simon because they were sure of a win, but because they thought there was trade value there and had some tangible reasons as to why Simon might have troubled Federer and in turn possibly shock him.

Simply for the fact it was Federer's first match since Wimbledon and Simon was coming in off the back of a tournament win alone made the match at least a little tricky for Federer. Not that I thought he would lose, I absolutely didn't, but you can see what was there for those who thought the price was too high considering the factors.

You seem to be thinking that "value" means "dog". It doesn't. If in your example Federer had been 1.60, then he would have been value. As if you were pricing up the match yourself you would surely never make Federer 1.60.

to the betting as a job.i know for example at least 5 people in my area who are succsefull in that.but not in tennis.one is capping purely 2.division german,another 1st freanch.my point is that they dont touch anything else and just follow one league.and yes they had bad times,but overall they made steady 38% per year.how many of us can say that?but of course they dont play for peanuts.
Any professional keys in on their particular areas of expertise. That is obvious. I did it for a few years and built a healthy balance and then lost sight of what I was doing. Treating it as a "business" had become boring for me, and I allowed the gambling aspect to override the money aspect. That meant hefty bets on markets I was still learning and when the losses came, I went back to what I knew at a heavier level than before to recoup (chase), and when it didn't go my way - I was right back at the start.

This is purely ill-discipline and nothing else.

If you know your particular sports, if you do your homework, if you have a set of rules and don't break them and you play when opportunity arises and not out of a daily habit/need to gamble - then it is very possible to make a steady/decent living out of this industry.

However, the human mind is almost conditioned to be reckless and that's where alot of people end up falling by the way side. No one should be fooled into thinking it's remotely easy. It takes alot of mistakes to learn how to do things the right way, and even then it takes greater discipline to continually toe that line.
 
#12 ·
I do it sometimes.

For eg:

Tonight hypothetically:

Geelong are $1.30 Favs.. I checked odds & said, yep they'll win.

If i didnt know the odds, and checked em seeing Hawks $1.30, id say same, yep they'll win.


OR


Essendon vs Collingwood, myself Essendon might scare them. If i saw them @$2.20 i wouldnt touch em, but because they are @ $4.50, ye ill put a few bucks on it.

Good thread
 
#14 ·
jay jay,

good post.i hope you didnt get me wrong.i never said that dogs with huge odd is the one i take.no,i look at matchup,form,conditions,and then odd.if all looks fine,i give it a go.but here,no offence to anyone,i just see the same people make it the same bet,just copy the bet,and then hope to win,because someone else took it too.for me betting is exciting,and oh well so far winning.the most important thing is money managment.100000%.if that u get wrong once u can regropu,but if u dont,you will be in deep shit.
 
#15 ·
Gambling can give you a buzz at times, but when trying to make it as a profession you just have to be simply ruthless about it and treat it like a true business. It can be difficult to often disassociate the two, but if you ask any professional, then it is the outlook you have to take and adhere to.

If you're gambling as an secondary income, as a supplement, then sure you can relax the rules a little and if a few bets don't go your way it's not the end of the world. If you're gambling as a profession you can't afford to be so lax, there really is no negotiation with that.

GL with your betting future. :)
 
#16 ·
Very true there Jay- if your doing it as a 'job' so to speak you cant let your heart rule your head with certain teams/players depending on the sport offcourse- i will never bet for or against my football team because i know i wont analyse it with my head but with my heart

Also 1 last thing people can over analyse match ups-h2h etc. very difficult to know when it will prove correct or complete bullshit- you could spend hours analyzing a team or player that will do you no good at all- depending on the case..
 
#17 ·
Very true there Jay- if your doing it as a 'job' so to speak you cant let your heart rule your head with certain teams/players depending on the sport offcourse- i will never bet for or against my football team because i know i wont analyse it with my head but with my heart
To be honest, even when I was doing it professionally, I would still always back Argentina and Boca whether I really believed in it or not. Of course at sensible stakes though, but the emotive pull was always there. I would never back against Argentina or Boca though even if I thought we were vulnerable, for me that's like treason. :lol:

Eventually it came to bite me on the ass big time because at a time when I really did think Argentina was the right play to make, I completely over extended myself in a make or break type situation (as in life changing) and I received the kind of punishment that in truth I've never recovered from mentally. Some things are hard to forget.

Also 1 last thing people can over analyse match ups-h2h etc. very difficult to know when it will prove correct or complete bullshit- you could spend hours analyzing a team or player that will do you no good at all- depending on the case.
Agreed. You should always do your homework, but they should involve basic factors and when getting really in-depth only if the stats/info at hand is entirely relevant.

There is certainly a case for paralysis by analysis, it's easy to talk yourself in or out of any pick as you can effectively break lots of information down anyway you really want to.

It's best to just take your gut instinct, what you see and what you know, and evidence it with tangible material that supports that case and you've got enough justification to do what you do.
 
#18 ·
At one point I thought I could do this for a living. In three months in summer, starting from 10 Euro, I made enough to go on a trip abroad, buy a laptop, buy some sexy clothes and have a living for a whole semester without having to work and yet Mahut managed to steal remainings of it in February next year.

In that time I used to bet every day on many matches, did a lot of livebetting and followed all the tennis and volleyball events.

Needless to say about how my private life suffered of it. I could talk only about money and bets and I went fine enough without sex, as greening on both players on livebet was more demanding, exciting and tiring.

I still do sometimes parlays for very small stakes at local bookie, when I lose, who cares, and when I win, it's for a hairdresser ;) But it's only when I'm *very* bored at work.

Work is not bad, at least I feel I have life in my hands, and not starting USA hardcourt season at 7 p.m. and finishing at 7 a.m. and not knowing where that time disappeared.
 
#24 ·
Having rich boyfriends is just about having nice private life and a lot of money :) Gambling starts to be unnecessary :p However Serbia over Russia at 2.38 looks tempting (could be a TB in this match), and even Brazil over USA at 1.12 is a 100% thing for a parlay as Brazil will trash them 3-0 I think. :p :lol:
 
#31 ·
so far none of the posts is saying that they have betting as a job...so it looks like all of us,me included are betting for the thrill of it,or to spend our boring lives more on edge...what about grinder,kuta,and bg?hmmm,thought that more people here takes betting as a job...
 
#32 ·
Naah, by no means is betting a job for me nor will it ever be, I'm still a college student at the moment. It's more like a lucrative hobby for me. 1 unit for me is $50, and the standard bet ranges from 3-10 units depending on how confident I am. On the contrary, I think backing dogs is quite profitable as long as you're smart about it and stake properly with regards to the favorites that you back.
 
#33 ·
Ur statement is RELATIVE. Gambling could be a profit activity if you know how to do it... but if you are a beginner I wouldn't recomend you, start with a bet of 300 euro... Unless you are a rich person. The perspective is just different.. if you have payed ur vacation with your earnings.. that's great... I invite you to give us your opinion and considerations!

Let the people bet 4 uds.. perhaps they are starting.... Most of the people who post here, have a good knowledge about tennis.. and their comments are helpful!

This is betting nothing is certain! Bet what you want and when you want. I would never risk my car or my house... just what I can afford. Between 40 & 50usd is my average I hope one day I can get the level you have.. perhaps when I get a job, I will bet more... today I cannot do it.. because if I lose I do not have extra money to pay the rent.
 
#34 ·
i have never said that betting is certain,it is sport where one thing the smallest of them all can change the outcome of even 100% winner,if there is such a thing.i was just surprised that every time i come to forum there are mostly the same people writing,and i thought that they do it as job...i guess i am wrong.
 
#35 ·
no job is certain, people fail at simple low paid jobs
 
#36 ·
Betting pays for the weekend and other luxuries and allows me to happily live the life of an unemployed bum at the moment.
It's something I enjoy and trying to earn a proper living out of it would probably take the fun out of it. I doubt I could handle the stress of it to be honest and would probably end up a severly bitter and twisted individual. I'll probably give it a go some day though just so I'll at least know if it was something achievable.
 
#38 ·
I almost have it as job, I bet only for fun with hamburger money, because I dont have money to lose, but I own some webpages for betting, my latest one is a betting forum- http://www.betting-forum.com/ that I will try to make big. My idea is to have registered at least 2000 people registered after 5 months.

As for betting for living, this is something that only a few people can do. Poker pros and some in sportsbetting. People that clearly see the value bets.
 
#43 ·
Like you say poker seems to be the best for people-it certainly cant be a lot of sports as its becoming harder and harder imo

If you know what your doing with poker there is money to be made but i'm not convinced that many people can do it for a long period of time but best of luck to them
 
#41 ·
you are very wrong
 
#46 ·
Thats a great attitude- even if i did think i was really good at it ( which i dont) i cant imagine the stress that would come with doing it knowing i need winners to pay a mortgage,bills etc etc... the fun would go out of it then knowing i need atleast a winner a day or more.. Maybe if i was single still living at home with no daughter and partner i could give it a go but no way when i have to afford so many other things...
 
#45 ·
Well, its not only to guessing the matches, its about keeping your nerves, especially when you know you play for money. When you lose you freak out and you just think how to win back that money and lose more.
I dont bet with money( well, only with hamburger money) for that reason, I just know I am not so good psychologically even though I guess a lot of matches.
To the gamblers here I recommend to play TT or PAW, this games help a lot.
 
#47 ·
Article :


Do you have what it takes to be a pro gambler?


This article is in particular for people who wonder whether you yourself, or someone you know can make a living off the income from sports betting.
I have been a semi or fully professional sports gambler for 14 years. Its been a long and early on especially a bumpy ride. Starting out for the first 5 years nearly everyone doubted me succeeding. To be fair those first 5 years or so, were when most of my mistakes where made.
Ahead to today and my capping methods are now at a point where it takes me far less time to cap my card for the day than what it used to. My results are as good as ever and some of those same people who doubted me initially, now never question my success or not. They know I grind out profits year after year. Yes I have losing weeks, but in the long term I come out ahead. One of the best things I like about my life I live, is being able to have the freedom to do what I want when I want and no boss telling me what to do.


Below is a checklist :


*You need the discipline to stick to your capping methods for all bets and never force a bet.

*Many years of experience in the game. That has taught you to never to chase and bet a too high a % of your bankroll.

*Capping methods that produce a proven long term record of profit. A big enough bankroll so that yearly average R.O.I. (return on investment) is enough to live on.

*Do you take to sports gambling like a duck takes to water? In other words do you grasp sports betting terms and meanings and concepts easily? or do you often have to go over them many times before you understand.

*Passion for sports betting. Without this your longevity won't cut it.


If you answered yes to all those questions you are a rare breed and have a legitimate shot. On the other hand If you answered no to any of the above, I'm afraid the reality is you are unlikely to make it. Harsh it may sound, but that is the reality.
The ratio of those who can make it is estimated to be around 1-2%. To this day everyone I have talked to who has shown an interest, I have advised them NOT to try and live off the income of sportsbetting. If I ever meet and have a conversation to the exceptional person who I believe can make it, I will tell them so, but as I say I'm yet to go there.

dave nz
 
#49 ·
Good read.

*You need the discipline to stick to your capping methods for all bets and never force a bet.
Thats pretty much my problem sometimes. I bet on too many games a day. If i stuck to just 2 or 3, i'd probably have a better profit.

It sounds so simple and yet, we or i constantly make silly mistakes.
 
#50 ·
I don't think it can be done. Take a look at the Wednesday tennis picks and the 90% of them were losers ( Karlovic, Melzer, Ginepri, Hanescu, Minar, etc ). And that happens most of the time.
Now I'd like to know about these other methods where you can reliably increase your bank without having to pick winners and get a liability on your bank in the first place? When people picked Karlovic they had to risk more than 5 times their stake for 1 part of profit. Picking underdogs doesn't seem to work either. You can study a match all you like and be 100% sure that it's a winner and it can still lose.
The very idea that you can use that as a reliable income to replace a job is ludicrous. It's gambling, you risk your money everytime you place a bet, so what are those trusted capping methods that work everytime?
 
#53 ·
You need to remember that the week before any GS is the most difficult- the bigger the event the more reliable the matches ive found

what i dont get is these so called professionsals betting big money on tennis players when they have no live pictures- how can you tell how your pick is doing by a shitty sb- we all know stats on a sb can look deceiving, btw i'm not saying anyone on this board is doing this but theres are people out their e.g betfair forum that are betting big money on matches when they havent seen any matches of a certain tournament-we all know that most players have 2 sides the likes of Verdasco,Fish,Ginepri,Blake and many many more are capable of ebating decent players but are also capable of horrible loses and going out in round 1-

Some Tennis results are getting so strange that the only way to win consistently is to bet in running once youve seen wtf is going on
 
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