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Tommy in Toronto - lost to Davydenko, but good performance!!

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1 Federer, Roger SUI 1
2 Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
3 Djokovic, Novak SRB 3
4 Davydenko, Nikolay RUS 4
5 Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Roddick, Andy USA 6
7 Blake, James USA 7
OUT Nalbandian, David ARG 8
9 Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 9
10 Gasquet, Richard FRA 10
11 Murray, Andy GBR 11
12 Berdych, Tomas CZE 12
13 Almagro, Nicolas ESP 13
OUT Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 14
15 Gonzalez, Fernando CHI 15
16 Stepanek, Radek CZE 16
17 Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 17
18 Youzhny, Mikhail RUS 18
19 Robredo, Tommy ESP 19
20 Verdasco, Fernando ESP 20
OUT Monaco, Juan ARG 21
OUT Karlovic, Ivo CRO 22
23 Baghdatis, Marcos CYP 23
OUT Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP 24
25 Nieminen, Jarkko FIN 25
26 Moya, Carlos ESP 26
OUT Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 27
28 Simon, Gilles FRA 28
29 Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 29
OUT Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 30
31 Seppi, Andreas ITA 31
32 Monfils, Gael FRA 32
33 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 33
34 Andreev, Igor RUS 34
35 Llodra, Michael FRA 35
36 Fish, Mardy USA 36
37 Haas, Tommy GER 37
38 Kiefer, Nicolas GER 38
39 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 39
40 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 40
41 Querrey, Sam USA 41
42 Soderling, Robin SWE 42
43 Benneteau, Julien FRA 43
44 Ancic, Mario CRO 44
45 (SE)
46 (Q)
47 (Q)
48 (Q)
49 (Q)
50 (Q)
51 (Q)
52 (Q)
53 (WC) Safin, Marat RUS
54 (WC) Dancevic, Frank CAN
55 (WC) Niemeyer, Frederic CAN
56 (WC) Polansky, Peter CAN

Alternates
OUT Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG 45
IN Mahut, Nicolas FRA 46
IN Bolelli, Simone ITA 47
IN Canas, Guillermo ARG 48
OUT Calleri, Agustin ARG 49
IN Acasuso, Jose ARG 50
IN Gulbis, Ernests LAT 51
OUT Santoro, Fabrice FRA 52
OUT Darcis, Steve BEL 53
OUT Granollers, Marcel ESP 54
OUT Lee, Hyung-Taik KOR 55
IN Cilic, Marin CRO 56
OUT Gicquel, Marc FRA 57
OUT Starace, Potito ITA 58
IN Ginepri, Robby USA 59
OUT Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 60
OUT Schwank, Eduardo ARG 61
OUT Haase, Robin NED 62
IN Lapentti, Nicolas ECU 63
1. Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 64
OUT Sela, Dudi ISR 65
OUT Gremelmayr, Denis GER 66
OUT Rochus, Olivier BEL 67
2. Bellucci, Thomaz BRA 68
3. Johansson, Thomas SWE 69
OUT Montanes, Albert ESP 70
OUT Minar, Ivo CZE 71
OUT Hanescu, Victor ROU 72
4. Lu, Yen-Hsun TPE 73
5. Koubek, Stefan AUT 74

Poor field for a Masters event, 7 Top 30 players cancelled...Hope for a good draw which comes out tomorrow..C'mon!! He has to defend 75 points...

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Re: Tommy in Toronto

yeah, he has to defend some points in Toronto, and a quarter final in Washington, I think. Everywhere else before the USO, it's just a win situation, which is pretty cool.

Btw, does it somehow matter that the calendar is different this year? I think last year Washington and LA were before Toronto and Cincy, no? How does that work?
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Re: Tommy in Toronto

Yes, it matters. For example Nadal's points for Stuttgart will be removed next monday because last year, the tournament in Stuttgart was 1 week later. If this is the case with the tournaments you mentioned, Tommy will lose the points before the tournaments.
So in general the points are only counted for 52 weeks, no matter if the tournament will be played later on.

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yeah, he has to defend some points in Toronto, and a quarter final in Washington, I think. Everywhere else before the USO, it's just a win situation, which is pretty cool.

Btw, does it somehow matter that the calendar is different this year? I think last year Washington and LA were before Toronto and Cincy, no? How does that work?
And all the Tournaments were moved up in dates due to the Olympics. While it isn't the strongest field it is certainly much better than Indy was!
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And all the Tournaments were moved up in dates due to the Olympics. While it isn't the strongest field it is certainly much better than Indy was!
Yeah sure, would have been ridiculous if it had not been better

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Re: Tommy in Toronto

But how is it possible to defend points from a Masters Series event in a "normal" event? Do they simply balance the points, no matter that you have to do better in a lesser tournament in order to reach the same or more points? If you see what I mean ...

So if I get that right, Tommy won't have to defend any points next week (and neither had to this week), but instead has to defend the Washington points from last year in Cincy in two weeks, and his Toronto points in LA the following week?

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Re: Tommy in Toronto

I'll give you an example:

Let's say, there is a Masters Series event from July 10 to July 17 2007 and an International Series event from July 18 to July 25 2007.
In the next year, the calendar is different: The International Series event which took place after the Masters Series in 2007, is now played from July 10 to July 17 2008 and the Masters Series is played from July 18 to July 25 2008.

Let's say the player reached the Semis at the International Series torunament in 2007 (110 points) and won the Masters Series one (500 points). In 2008, he enters the Interantional Series event and defends his semi but loses 390 points because in 2007, there was the Masters Series tournament at that time. After that, he wins the Masters Series again and the 390 points will be given to the player because he gets 500 points for the win and had to defend only 110 points from the International Series one which took place in 2007 at that time. So far, understood? Hope so

According to your thoughts about Tommy's points, I can tell you that you are right. He has no points to defend next week but in 2 weeks he will lose his quarterfinal points of Washington (50 points) when he hopefully plays the Masters Series in Cincinnati...So through winning some matches in Toronto he can improve his ranking but will go down in August when he loses those points of last year.

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Gotcha.

So this week's points are already a plus, next week is also an opportunity to gain a lot, as is Washington at the end ... then again, thinking about that, it doesn't really matter where the points are won, it all sums up equally anyway, right? If I win 50 point here and don't defend 50 points there, it's the same as if I don't win 50 points here but defend 50 point there ...

Anyway, especially the Masters count of course.
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Gotcha.

So this week's points are already a plus, next week is also an opportunity to gain a lot, as is Washington at the end ... then again, thinking about that, it doesn't really matter where the points are won, it all sums up equally anyway, right? If I win 50 point here and don't defend 50 points there, it's the same as if I don't win 50 points here but defend 50 point there ...

Anyway, especially the Masters count of course.
You're right
But this week you have to think about that:
The Entry Ranking counts following tournaments: 4 Grand Slams, 9 Masters Series and the so called "best of other countable tournaments" which is the International Series. Here, the player has the chance to count the 5 best International Series tournaments of one season. In Tommy's case, before Indy, his 5th best of the other tournaments was a Round 16 in San Jose in February 2008 (l.to Isner ). Through the QF in Indianapolis, San Jose won't count anymore because the QF in Indy counts 40 points.
So you have to calculate as following:
825 (Tommy's score last Monday) - 15 + 40 = 850

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Why is my last post not shown??!

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Re: Tommy in Toronto

Maybe this you already said,but just to ask:
What points Tommy had to defend here in Indianapolis? From what tour?

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Maybe this you already said,but just to ask:
What points Tommy had to defend here in Indianapolis? From what tour?
He had nothing to defend. But due to the "Best of 5 other countable tournaments" rule, not the whole 40 points count, only 25. Look at my last post, there it is explained.

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Yeah yeah,and that 25 points,where came from?

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But wasn't that "Best of 5" rule for the Masters Cup race?
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Yeah yeah,and that 25 points,where came from?
Indianapolis QF: 40 points
San Jose 2008 (Haas' 5th best other tournament): 15 points

40-15=25

Look here: http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/player...sp?player=H355
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