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Religion of Peace; the Rushdie case

The Satanic Verses is Salman Rushdie's fourth novel, first published in 1988 and inspired in part by the life of Muhammad. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, an attempted interpolation in the Qur'an described by Ibn Ishaq in his biography of Muhammad (the oldest surviving text). The authenticity of these Satanic verses has been disputed by the earliest Muslim historians.

The novel caused much controversy upon publication in 1988, as many Muslims considered that it contained blasphemous references. India was the first country to ban the book. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa that called for the death of Rushdie and claimed that it was the duty of every Muslim to obey, despite never having read the book.

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese language translator of the book was stabbed to death on July 11, 1991;

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian language translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month; and

William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October of 1993.

On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.



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The Satanic Verses is Salman Rushdie's fourth novel, first published in 1988 and inspired in part by the life of Muhammad. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, an attempted interpolation in the Qur'an described by Ibn Ishaq in his biography of Muhammad (the oldest surviving text). The authenticity of these Satanic verses has been disputed by the earliest Muslim historians.

The novel caused much controversy upon publication in 1988, as many Muslims considered that it contained blasphemous references. India was the first country to ban the book. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa that called for the death of Rushdie and claimed that it was the duty of every Muslim to obey, despite never having read the book.

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese language translator of the book was stabbed to death on July 11, 1991;

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian language translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month; and

William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October of 1993.

On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.



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It seems, that they respect their religion very much. Besides you must know, that this people and Jews belong to Semitic race. And these people are quite another, than we are. Both these nations, who belong to one race are quite shabby and irreconcilable.
You have really something against Islam. Why? What is your religion? I suppose, that you are not Catholic.

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Why are you bringing this up now? When I brought it up last year, mandoura replied, ''Oh spare me the tears for Rushdie, who cares?''
Seems the matter is as dead as the Dafur non-Muslims.

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Seems the matter is as dead as the Dafur non-Muslims.
lol, sad but very true...

Islam is a joke, it doesn't take much to come to that conclusion, if by now one cant come to that conclusion, then they have abandoned reason and no amount of new facts will change their mind...

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Well, you might or might not be aware, that in the name of CHRISTIANITY, people have gone and murdered doctors in abortion clinics.
That's not really comparable to blow up buildings, trains and subways. I haven't heard much significant stories the last years about doctors being murdered anyway.

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In India, the Hindu have razed a mosque to the ground because it was built (100s of years ago) on land that they say is a sacred Hindu ground.
Oh. And a buddhist stole a candy one day, that really blows up my theory that Islam isn't a religion of peace...
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Kapranos, although I wish you would stop these Islam threads (except when there is a genuine cause for debate), I will ask you one question:

Can you give me ONE example of a mainstream religion, whose extremists have not reacted with VIOLENCE for some reason or another that goes against their beliefs?

I am not condoning violence. But to start a string of threads just on ONE religion, the evidence is suggestive that you are as narrow minded as the extremists.


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The Satanic Verses is Salman Rushdie's fourth novel, first published in 1988 and inspired in part by the life of Muhammad. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, an attempted interpolation in the Qur'an described by Ibn Ishaq in his biography of Muhammad (the oldest surviving text). The authenticity of these Satanic verses has been disputed by the earliest Muslim historians.

The novel caused much controversy upon publication in 1988, as many Muslims considered that it contained blasphemous references. India was the first country to ban the book. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the Supreme Leader of Iran, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa that called for the death of Rushdie and claimed that it was the duty of every Muslim to obey, despite never having read the book.

On February 14, 1989, the Ayatollah broadcast the following message on Iranian radio: "I inform the proud Muslim people of the world that the author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Qur'an, and all those involved in its publication who are aware of its content are sentenced to death."

As a result, Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese language translator of the book was stabbed to death on July 11, 1991;

Ettore Capriolo, the Italian language translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing the same month; and

William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, survived an attempted assassination in Oslo in October of 1993.

On February 14, 2006, the Iranian state news agency reported that the fatwa will remain in place permanently.



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The whole problem in the Middle East, well there are two players there -- the extremist Muslim, but also the extreme right wing Judaism followers.

So you see, everybody who is an extremist, behaves in an extremist way. You cannot say that one extremist's religion-based murder is somehow more forgivable than another's.
You seem to ignore that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts recently come from oen group of extremist that is muslims, and the problem in the middle east is that they hate Israel and jews, Israel the country was not formed by a bunch of right wing jews, it is for the most part a secular state...

Comparing current violence from other religions is futile because it doesnt even come close to the violence perpetuated by extrem muslims, and then you have as an example the Islamic countries in the middle east, they have some of the worst human rights records...

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the evidence is suggestive that you are as narrow minded as the extremists.
I post facts. Where the narrow mindness?

If someone starts a fatwa against an anti-christian, I'll complain too.
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I post facts. Where the narrow mindness?

If someone starts a fatwa against an anti-christian, I'll complain too.
Well, you might or might not be aware, that in the name of CHRISTIANITY, people have gone and murdered doctors in abortion clinics. Yeah, that sure sound like it is from the religion of peace.

In India, the Hindu have razed a mosque to the ground because it was built (100s of years ago) on land that they say is a sacred Hindu ground.
Of course, there is religious related warfare by Muslim in India as well.

The whole problem in the Middle East, well there are two players there -- the extremist Muslim, but also the extreme right wing Judaism followers.

So you see, everybody who is an extremist, behaves in an extremist way. You cannot say that one extremist's religion-based murder is somehow more forgivable than another's.
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You seem to ignore that the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts recently come from oen group of extremist that is muslims, and the problem in the middle east is that they hate Israel and jews, Israel the country was not formed by a bunch of right wing jews, it is for the most part a secular state...

Comparing current violence from other religions is futile because it doesnt even come close to the violence perpetuated by extrem muslims, and then you have as an example the Islamic countries in the middle east, they have some of the worst human rights records...
I am not ignoring anything. I am very aware of what extremists everywhere are doing. And as for the middle east, it is not just Muslim extremists who hate Jewish people and Israel, it is as well extremist Jewish people who hate Muslims and Muslim countries (what the origins of the formation of Israel has to do with my post and why you are mentioning it, I'm not sure).

To you perhaps comparing violences based on religion is futile. To me it isn't. To me it is in fact hypocritical to condemn just one religion as being violent or extremist, when ALL of the major religions in the world kill in the name of religion. Furthermore, my post was directed quite explicitly to Kaparanos because of his routine dose of uncomplimentary Muslim threads masked in the name of debate.
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That's not really comparable to blow up buildings, trains and subways. I haven't heard much significant stories the last years about doctors being murdered anyway.



Oh. And a buddhist stole a candy one day, that really blows up my theory that Islam isn't a religion of peace...
Yes, tearing down a mosque is the same as stealing a piece of candy. It is no surprise that a thread like this would then be started by you, because you have very fixed ideas about people and religion.
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I am not ignoring anything. I am very aware of what extremists everywhere are doing. And as for the middle east, it is not just Muslim extremists who hate Jewish people and Israel, it is as well extremist Jewish people who hate Muslims and Muslim countries (what the origins of the formation of Israel has to do with my post and why you are mentioning it, I'm not sure).

To you perhaps comparing violences based on religion is futile. To me it isn't. To me it is in fact hypocritical to condemn just one religion as being violent or extremist, when ALL of the major religions in the world kill in the name of religion. Furthermore, my post was directed quite explicitly to Kaparanos because of his routine dose of uncomplimentary Muslim threads masked in the name of debate.
I dont think extreme jews hate muslims... and the amount of extremist jews is much much much much much much smaller than the amount of hating muslims, its not even comparable in size, and in %...

All religions have killed in the name of religion, but not nearly asmuch as muslims and certainly not recently.. its like trying to compare the islamic terrorist acts to the acts of crazy right win christians who have killed abortion doctors, I mean the number arent even close...

What you seem to not want to admit is the fact that radical islam is the greatest security threat to western civilization, until catholics, christians, jews hindus etc. start strapping bombs and killing hundreds then they cannot be included with radical islam, stop trying to be so PC...

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I almost have pity for you u are so obsessed with muslims that u can't help but open a thread for a very old story. t u never post on general messages or tennis player's forums so why are on this forum ? only there to starts this kind of stupid &non senses threads, i think there are other places to discuss about this kind of topic than a tennis forum no? as an arabic proverbs say "if u haven't something more beautiful than silence to say than just shut up "maybe despite the fact that u dislike arabic and muslims ppl u should follow it



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I almost have pity for you u are so obsessed with muslims that u can't help but open a thread for a very old story. t u never post on general messages or tennis player's forums so why are on this forum ? only there to starts this kind of stupid &non senses threads, i think there are other places to discuss about this kind of topic than a tennis forum no? as an arabic proverbs say "if u haven't something more beautiful than silence to say than just shut up "maybe despite the fact that u dislike arabic and muslims ppl u should follow it
The Rushdie fatwa is still valid to this day, it's not an old story.

I don't dislike muslims, I dislike Islam, is it that hard to understand the difference?
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