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Colin Kaepernick's future in the NFL

I thought I'd share this article, found it to be really insightful on what it seems to be a big issue down at the NFL.

Maybe NFL fans here can give some more in-depth assessments over the whole situation. I'm not a football fan by any means, but have been following this journalist, Shaun King, ever since the San Francisco shooting of a black man by the local police (look up Mario Woods). Since my local news hardly ever get into international news, much less something like this, I'm trying to keep myself informed of how black people struggles develop in the US.

KING: Kaepernick's NFL fate is a white billionaire's prayer life - NY Daily News

Long story short, Colin Kaepernick is an NFL player who kneeled during the national anthem in protest against violence against black people in the US and teams outright refuse to sign him in, even if they desperately need someone like him to play for them. Teams are literaly signing in way lesser players instead of this guy, apparently team owners hate his guys for being the first guy to carry over such a display.

However, support for Colin comes from players from all over the NFL. The following image is just an example.




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Here's the thing about Kaepernick

He brought negative attention to his employer, while also not performing well. His team went 2-14 last year.

If Von Miller, Julio Jones, or Russel Wilson did what he did, but continued performing at a high level, they would have no contractual problems.

As it is, the league is basically endorsing the actions of the protesting players as the kneeling gesture spreads through the ranks.

Just think about it at your workplace - if an irreplaceable employee caused some problems with workplace dynamics, your boss might tolerate it. If it was someone who was a low performer or even just mediocre, they'd likely get the axe.

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Here's the thing about Kaepernick

He brought negative attention to his employer, while also not performing well. His team went 2-14 last year.

If Von Miller, Julio Jones, or Russel Wilson did what he did, but continued performing at a high level, they would have no contractual problems.

As it is, the league is basically endorsing the actions of the protesting players as the kneeling gesture spreads through the ranks.

Just think about it at your workplace - if an irreplaceable employee caused some problems with workplace dynamics, your boss might tolerate it. If it was someone who was a low performer or even just mediocre, they'd likely get the axe.
I'd have to look for it, but I'm pretty sure I read an article which stated that there are teams in need of a QB or another positions (don't know much about the game) signing in players with far worse records than him (with numbers and all). In the sense that in no way a player like him should be unemployed.



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Kaepernick is nothing but a pawn to the race-baiting narrative, complaining about fake injustices like the lie that Police shoot blacks for no reason.

Living in the US gave him opportunities that he never would have had anywhere else on the planet with his only talent being running fast and throwing a damn ball...

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Here's the thing about Kaepernick

He brought negative attention to his employer, while also not performing well. His team went 2-14 last year.

If Von Miller, Julio Jones, or Russel Wilson did what he did, but continued performing at a high level, they would have no contractual problems.

As it is, the league is basically endorsing the actions of the protesting players as the kneeling gesture spreads through the ranks.

Just think about it at your workplace - if an irreplaceable employee caused some problems with workplace dynamics, your boss might tolerate it. If it was someone who was a low performer or even just mediocre, they'd likely get the axe.
List every QB in the NFL, and then those who get try out's, and with a straight face tell me they are all vastly superior to Kapernick. I'll wait...
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Kaepernick is nothing but a pawn to the race-baiting narrative, complaining about fake injustices like the lie that Police shoot blacks for no reason.

Living in the US gave him opportunities that he never would have had anywhere else on the planet with his only talent being running fast and throwing a damn ball...
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The thing is, even as a liberal, I think this whole "Police injustice towards blacks" theme is very over-exaggerated. Sure there may be few prejudiced police officers here in the States, but it's quite scarce nowadays. After one racist altercation between a cop and a black guy, the reaction was catastrophic. The media took advantage of this and started to comprehensively cover every police case with African Americans. Truth is, incidents like these have been happening between blacks and police officers for YEARS now, not to mention blacks are more likely to commit crimes. After one incident, the media exploited the "black vs cop" theme and thus lead to creation of groups like BLM and also led to the case of Kaepernick. While I do agree there are double standards for minorities, the police just aren't the bad guys as people think.
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I watch the NFL and I think Kaepernick could be starting for many teams, the problem is that he is not as good as he once was a few years ago where a team can say, "having this guy is worth more than the potential backlash from fans".

As a black person living in the US I genuinely feel that there are injustices in the legal system and in how we are treated by law enforcement, The problem is people are so upset that he protested during the national anthem and some see it as disrespecting the military, therefore they are not ready to listen to what he has to say. There's also a large group of people that do not believe there are any racial issues in the US and are not willing to hear other perspectives.

Now he himself is not without fault either. So it's a very very complex issue to be honest, there are so any levels do it.
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I watch the NFL and I think Kaepernick could be starting for many teams, the problem is that he is not as good as he once was a few years ago where a team can say, "having this guy is worth more than the potential backlash from fans".

As a black person living in the US I genuinely feel that there are injustices in the legal system and in how we are treated by law enforcement, The problem is people are so upset that he protested during the national anthem and some see it as disrespecting the military, therefore they are not ready to listen to what he has to say. There's also a large group of people that do not believe there are any racial issues in the US and are not willing to hear other perspectives.

Now he himself is not without fault either. So it's a very very complex issue to be honest, there are so any levels do it.
Unless its the World Cup, there should be no national anthems played at any sporting event period - especially a sport nobody but Americans play. But that doesn't diminish the cause. If you say a national anthem is a no go zone that is only suitable for obedient conformity, then you live in a totalitarian state. The military is just a convenient crutch people are using to deny a protest they don't want to even contemplate.
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Unless its the World Cup, there should be no national anthems played at any sporting event period - especially a sport nobody but Americans play. But that doesn't diminish the cause. If you say a national anthem is a no go zone that is only suitable for obedient conformity, then you live in a totalitarian state. The military is just a convenient crutch people are using to deny a protest they don't want to even contemplate.
I agree. Interestingly, there was a time when NFL players stayed in the locker room during the anthem. Also, the NFL gets checks to play the anthem. So there's some hypocritical stuff going on.
I was just trying to explain why some people have a problem. When they see the flag or hear the anthem, their mind goes to the military. Even though the protesters have mentioned that it is not a disrespect to the military, they wouldn't listen.

And I agree with you on protests, they are meant to make people uncomfortable.
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Kaepernick is obviously not the worst player in the league, but he's nowhere near good enough to justify being a guy who led his employer into a negative ratings spiral by putting the league at odds with a huge percentage of its fanbase. An NFL player is just an employee of a media entity. You might not be the absolute worst person at your job but if you're anything short of irreplaceable and you lose business for your employer, you're going to have a hard time keeping your job. 72% of Americans were polled as disagreeing with the protests in some sense, that's a big chunk of the NFL's customer base.

I have no interest in moral judgments about the validity of his cause, because that's not really the point in an employer-employee relationship.

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Aren't americans sick of their own anthem? It's played all the f. time. What's the point?
That this protest is such a big deal for many americans just shows how much in decline the US is.
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Political reasons aside, I always thought Kaepernick is just a bit improved version of Michael Vick (as a passer, because Vick is obviously a better runner).

Seriously, most of the NFL current starting QB's are better than him. Even a few backup QB's are better than him.



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@ibreak4coffee completely agree with your position.

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I agree. Interestingly, there was a time when NFL players stayed in the locker room during the anthem. Also, the NFL gets checks to play the anthem. So there's some hypocritical stuff going on.
I was just trying to explain why some people have a problem. When they see the flag or hear the anthem, their mind goes to the military. Even though the protesters have mentioned that it is not a disrespect to the military, they wouldn't listen.

And I agree with you on protests, they are meant to make people uncomfortable.
It's good to have the opportunity to read your opinion on this matter.

I'm not too knowledgeable in how most americans feel about the military. But for what I could perceive it seems they hold these people in high regard. I'm not getting too much into it in order to not deviate the thread. However, it seems to be enough to simply cast a shadow over why are these players protesting, and what can be done about it.

On a side note, for what I've read many NFL owners (I could swear I even read all but one are white men) have a good relationship with Trump. And several of them have contributed to his campaign. So there's that tiny detail to be factored into the equation.



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