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Kramer Goes Mental

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#10 ·
Damn, he lost it there. It was a shame we didn't see what happened prior to the outburst. There is no excusing what Richards said, no doubt, but with this clip we only see one clip of what really happened.

Sad way he reacted like he did. He has some serious apologizing to do, that's for sure.
 
#12 ·
He's (Krammer) on Letterman now (CST) trying to explain why/how it happened and apologizing. Jerry Seinfeld is the actual guest and is supporting him.
 
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15852020

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"I got heckled and took it badly and went into a rage,' he said, adding, "I am not a racist! That's what so insane about this. For me to be on stage, and flip out and say this stuff, I'm deeply, deeply sorry."

Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred, who is representing Doss and McBride, said she wants a retired judge to sit down with Richards and the two men to determine if the three-time Emmy winner should pay them for "the pain that he has inflicted on them as a result of his racist words."

"If our children took a rock and threw it through the window of a next-door neighbor, we would say to that child, 'Go to the neighbor apologize directly to the neighbor and pay the cost of that window that you broke,'" Allred said. "We think it's important that he follow his words with deeds."
Proverbial "amount not specified."

....however...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15855423
"He's apologized. Shouldn't that really be the end of it?" Tim asked the men.

"No, I think that apology was totally fake, it was forced. I feel like that was a career move. It wasn't sincere," Doss contends.

"What do you want to get out of this situation?" Tim asked.

"To be compensated for what happened," Doss replied.
We shall see...if the real...vs. the ideal...i.e.: whether a payoff settles the dust, follows.
 
#15 ·
Just like Mel Gibson, the cat is out of the bag. Kramer was great, but whoever played the role (funny how I know him only as Kramer) is finished as far as real life. That was probably the real him. As Kramer he said the lines given him. As himself, he was expressing his own opinions. Obviously he had no idea of how a stand-up can make the hecklers be the ones to look stupid, so he should not even be doing standup.
 
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I can't see the damn video because I'm the only loser on the planet not signed-up for you-tube and you have to log-in to see it... bummer!

I'm black and I'm sure whatever he said is no big deal. People are always quick to judge as if they themselves (or their families and friends) don't think and even make racial slurs in private.

I'm not condoning such statements but fu*k, sh*t happens :shrug:

Personally when I catch myself stereotyping people I make an effort to mentally chastise myself as well as point it out to my friends and family when they are doing it. So kudos to Kramer for taking the matter seriously.
 
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Personally when I catch myself stereotyping people I make an effort to mentally chastise myself as well as point it out to my friends and family when they are doing it. So kudos to Kramer for taking the matter seriously.
Oh wow, do you want a medal from the PC police?

please, most stereotypes have some truth to them and if used in the right context are funny especially in comedy, only idiots take them completely serious, that you "chastise" yourself for stereotyping means you actually take them really serious, I stereotype alot and make alot of jokes using stereotypes but I know they dont represent the whole population, so I take them as a joke and laugh I dotn need to remind myself that "I am stereotyping" that's pretty pathetic.

Its thanks to people like you that we have seen the decline of tv,radio, movies etc. Because of the ridiculous amount of self-censorhip going on thanks to the PC nazis going around trying to make up for their guiltridden conscious by calling everyone a racist when in fact I would bet most of them hold those beliefs so they act out by condeming others with those beliefs sort of like people who hate gays when in reality they themselves are gays...
 
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from today's L.A. Times:
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"About a half-dozen community activists gathered at the club Monday to denounce Richard's remarks and demand an apology. At a news conference later, club owner Jamie Masada expressed remorse and said Richards will not be back at the club until he says he's sorry.

Seinfeld issued a statement saying he was "sick over this."
...better him than me.


Pay me that grand you owe me, Jerry!:p :p
 
#23 ·
There are a few problems with this:

First I really dont think he is a racist, I just think he was mad at being heckled and said those things out of anger maybe to try and "offend" them, people say things like that when mad.

Second since in the USA they where hanging black people just 30 years ago and there was so much racism they are beyond untouchable when it comes to any joke. Unless its a black person making fun of their culture then its ok. I understand why this is there is plenty of resentment left so...

Then we live in pc world where anything said is offensive and "hateful" so if you say something really hateful your worse than hitler.

There is also a guilt trip whit people are on so they cant say anything mildy offensive to black people and if someone says it they are the first one's to go out and criticize as if they are saying "look am criticizing him ,am not racist" in reality I think their is still alot of underlying racism and that is why you get this responses.

SO bottom line Kramer gets mad says some things he shouldnt of said and he will be crucified for it, Sharpton and Jesse jackson who have said much more racist things about jews especially and white people of course, so sharpton and jackson stay on course having their dicks sucked by white america who dare not say anything because of fear of being labeled racist, so what we are left with is a pc society where everything is being self-censored.

Not saying what kramer did was wrong it was but am sure he wont get a second chance...
 
#35 ·
SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUT THE FUCK UP. That's all I could muster after reading this bullshit. Tell me, if I told a Jewish person that he should be locked in a cell, his head shaved and then gased to death, would you find that funny?? No, so SHUT THE FUCK UP. I definitely would NOT tell a Jewish person this even in the heat of anger because one has to have a hatred of Jews to go to such a place. He wasn't joking. I originally thought he used ****** as a joke. But, he wasn't joking.
 
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Good to see stupidity isn't race or ethnically based.
 
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I agree with you Zicofirol, he called them "*******" as a way to piss them off, not because he actually is a racist.

If "******" is such an offensive word, which I am not saying it isn't, why not make the word illegal, punishable by the law? There is quite a bit of hypocricy in the U.S regarding the "freedom of speech" clause found in the U.S Constitution. It's fine for black's to use these words against each other (although some still don't approve of the word), but if a white man says it, even if he means it in a non-insulting manner, then he is a racisist.

Obviously Richards was trying to insult them, that is understood, but if the guy that pissed of Richards was truly classy, he shouldn't have responded with the "cracker ass" insult. Then again, it is was in the heat of the moment thing.

I also find that the black minority in the United States thinks it is the single most persecuted race in history. As if the mexicans, jews, chinese, colombians, etc don't get enough crap too.....
 
#32 ·
I don't quite understand...

Michael Richards is Jewish...the club owner: Jaimie Masada...would seem to be Jewish...Masada has said Richards won't return to the club until he has apologized, which since he has, although controversial, Richards could return. <I don't imagine he will...but what do I know?>

We love to sue in the U.S.A.
 
#33 ·
"I got heckled and took it badly and went into a rage,' he said, adding, "I am not a racist! That's what so insane about this. For me to be on stage, and flip out and say this stuff, I'm deeply, deeply sorry."

Los Angeles attorney Gloria Allred, who is representing Doss and McBride, said she wants a retired judge to sit down with Richards and the two men to determine if the three-time Emmy winner should pay them for "the pain that he has inflicted on them as a result of his racist words."

"If our children took a rock and threw it through the window of a next-door neighbor, we would say to that child, 'Go to the neighbor apologize directly to the neighbor and pay the cost of that window that you broke,'" Allred said. "We think it's important that he follow his words with deeds."
OMG if this is taken to court then this country is truly finished...

Hate speech although bad SHOULD ALWAYS BE ALLOWED, its freedom of speech, to ask compensation for having your feelings hurt... that is about as much bs as it can get...
 
#42 ·
Based on the copious amounts of First Amendment law I've studied in law school, I don't believe he broke any laws. What he said didn't, IMO, amount to "fighting words," which are not constitutionally protected. There might be more a leg to stand on if you want to argue it was a hate crime, but considering the guys said plenty of unkind things back, it'd be hard for them to argue something like that, I think.

Were his words disgusting? Sure. Hurtful? of course. Sad and disappointing? You bet. But illegal? Probably not.

I actually watched the video on Monday with a bunch of people in a law office. The lawyer who we were watching it with thought the guys in the audience were almost as guilty as he was; she didn't even think it was all that bad considering the culture of stand-up comedy in this country and considering what the hecklers said. Some of the things they said to him were pretty nasty, but as someone here said i think, there's a double standard when it's a white person saying it about a black person. That was just her opinion but I think it is interesting.
 
#43 ·
I actually watched the video on Monday with a bunch of people in a law office. The lawyer who we were watching it with thought the guys in the audience were almost as guilty as he was; she didn't even think it was all that bad considering the culture of stand-up comedy in this country and considering what the hecklers said. Some of the things they said to him were pretty nasty, but as someone here said i think, there's a double standard when it's a white person saying it about a black person. That was just her opinion but I think it is interesting.
For real!

Richards was wrong as hell, but the fact that they are seemingly trying to get money out of him is almost is absurd.
 
#66 ·
The Jewish pr guy that Richards has hired claims that Richards is a Jew. Or so states the yahoo article.

Also everyone seems to have overlooked the claim that Richards was not heckeld. He simply responded to a large group of persons entering the club and ordering drinks. It was only all over the tv yesterday. This should put paid to any excuses anyone may have for his outburst.
 
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The Jewish pr guy that Richards has hired claims that Richards is a Jew. Or so states the yahoo article.
Well I trust the Jewish Journal of LA over Yahoo any day. I don't think he's Jewish, and sites that actually talk about his heritage say he was raised Catholic. I mean his middle name is Anthony, I don't know any Jews named Anthony, but whatever :shrug:
Also everyone seems to have overlooked the claim that Richards was not heckeld. He simply responded to a large group of persons entering the club and ordering drinks. It was only all over the tv yesterday. This should put paid to any excuses anyone may have for his outburst.
He absolutely was heckled; that's how stand-up works, and he shouldn't have let it get to him like that. But that's what hecklers DO, they go in a group and order drinks and harass comics. The TV Show Last Comic Standing even has the contestants do challenges/games with hecklers, and they ARE allowed to heckle back. One of the people I watched this video with does stand-up as a hobby, she said he absolutely had the right to heckle them back, it was just WHAT he said that was so reprehensible.

I mean, the fact that he was heckled doesn't explain or excuse what he said or make it any less awful, but I do think it would make any legal claim the guys would bring up very hard to succeed IMO. It would be pretty difficult for them to claim in a court of law that his words caused them some kind of mental distress when they were giving it right back to him.
He didn't just say that though, he also talked about blacks being hung upside down with "sticks up their asses" or something.
Obviously his tone, method, and terminology were disgusting and he never should've said it and it was pitiful and awful, but without being crass or disrespectful, wasn't he basically historically/factually correct? I guess for me, the epithets and N word bothered me a lot more than that part of it, that's all. Just a matter of opinion and individual sensitivities i guess :)
 
#73 ·
But I'm sure if some German, or anyone for that matter told some Jew with European roots that "Fifty years ago your ass would have been shaved and shoved in an oven" that you would find it offensive. And it would be offensive too, not so much because its true or close to the truth but because of the malice and hatred behind the words.

But perhaps it won't be offensive to you.
 
#77 ·
It would be offensive, when did I say what he said wasn't offensive? :scratch:
 
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