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Fertility/Healthy Birth as we age (or: How I Learned to Love The Biological Clock)

I was reading the beauty thread and my mind wandered to this all important aspect of our lives as humans on this planet.

There comes a time in all of our lives when we begin to ask ourselves what we are doing here. What is the purpose of life? To get your genetics into the next generation? Certainly it is one of the many purposes of life, most would agree.

I have been thinking of this sort of thing for many years, but only now really started considering. I found a few interesting articles. Before this, I was of the opinion that a woman's prime time is 20-30 in terms of fertility and chances of a healthy baby, and 30-35 is something of a "last call" time, and after 35 it is very very difficult. Not only to conceive, but the chances of many diseases and disorders grow with age. Her coccyx finishes fusing at 30, and her eggs especially after 32 decline in fertility.

A woman?s age affects her fertility

For us men, there is a misconception out there that we are somewhat indestructible and we can father children well into old age. The truth is that is somewhat true, but, like women, the older we are, the more difficult it becomes. For a man, our 35 is like her 30. After 35, our sperm naturally begins to decline. By 40, we are similar to a woman at 35. We may still be able to conceive with a younger woman, but the chances are higher of health problems with the child.

A man?s age matters

Now this does not mean that automatically if you are 40 and she is 35 that you won't be able to conceive or that you will have an unhealthy baby. People have children older all the time. And healthy. But is it more of a gamble? Will it take longer to conceive? Will you be stressed about a miscarriage or how healthy the baby will be? Yes. Yes it is. And yes you will.

Now then, when is the ideal age? A 25 year old man with a 21 year old woman may seem logical in terms of biology, but realistically neither of those young people are mature enough or financially secure enough to become parents. For a woman, really, between 25 and 30 one would imagine would be ideal for a young woman to become a mother for the first time. 30-35 can still be done, but if a woman is in this age bracket, she might want to do her best to try to conceive with a man around her age or younger for the best chances. Again, a 35 year old woman and a 40 year old man is not a death sentence, but it is riskier.

For a man, really it all depends on when you have you maturity and finances in order. Generally 30-35 is a good age for a man to have children for the first time, as you would imagine he has his shit together by that time, both personally and professionally. For some men it is late 20's even. For a man in this age bracket, your options are pretty wide open. If you want a child and a family, find yourself a woman around your age. Not too much older, and preferably younger by a few years, 5 years, no more than 10 years though. It is a bit much. A 34 year old man fathering a child with a 28 year old woman? Now that is like almost perfect. 33 yo man with 23 yo girl? I don't know. She might be too young and immature at only 23 for all that. 26 yo woman with 36 yo man? Well if she is ready, and he is probably also ready, that can work out.

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For women, 25-30 or so is prime in terms of biological, personal, and professional readiness. Age 30-35 is also do-able, but the clock is ticking.

For men, 28-35 or so is prime in terms of biological, personal, and professional readiness. Age 35-40 is also do-able, but the clock is ticking.

Fertility and Baby Health at birth have long been discussed just in terms of the woman. And she remains the #1 most important part of this equation. But it takes two to tango, and the man must keep his sperm in fine condition, and not wait too long to start his family.

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With the advances in reproductive medicine, I'm sure there will be time men can 'preserve' their sperm from a younger age. Won't be cheap to begin with but that could become more common I guess for men who aren't quite 'ready' (or their partner)

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I was reading the beauty thread and my mind wandered to this all important aspect of our lives as humans on this planet.

There comes a time in all of our lives when we begin to ask ourselves what we are doing here. What is the purpose of life? To get your genetics into the next generation? Certainly it is one of the many purposes of life, most would agree.
No, that is BS. There is no purpose of life, though each one of us is free to give it whatever purpose he wants.

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What about cats who want to have sex?
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With the advances in reproductive medicine, I'm sure there will be time men can 'preserve' their sperm from a younger age. Won't be cheap to begin with but that could become more common I guess for men who aren't quite 'ready' (or their partner)
This sounds good but most 20something men can barely afford to pay all his bills (myself included) let alone store away some of his sperm for later. Maybe one day it will be cheaper to do so.

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No, that is BS. There is no purpose of life, though each one of us is free to give it whatever purpose he wants.
Well you just contradicted yourself. If someone believes that their purpose in life is to get their genes into the next generation, or to be a tennis champion, how can you then say that there is no purpose to life?

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Men don't need to worry about biological clocks - Until they near to about 50.

It's women who need to. Disgusting that the media also says men have a biological clock similar to women's.
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Well you just contradicted yourself. If someone believes that their purpose in life is to get their genes into the next generation, or to be a tennis champion, how can you then say that there is no purpose to life?
No contradiction at all, you said it like there is an absolute purpose to life, like there is some meaning to it, there is none, life just is, reality just is. If one wants to give a meaning or purpose then it is their subjective wish.

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Men don't need to worry about biological clocks - Until they near to about 50.

It's women who need to. Disgusting that the media also says men have a biological clock similar to women's.
Good luck if you want to be a new father at 50+. Btw Johnny, what exactly is your point here? It's hardly earth-shattering that young folks are more fertile than the old ones.

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Men don't need to worry about biological clocks - Until they near to about 50.

It's women who need to. Disgusting that the media also says men have a biological clock similar to women's.
Good lord, how misinformed can one person be?

It is not media, it is science.

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No contradiction at all, you said it like there is an absolute purpose to life, like there is some meaning to it, there is none, life just is, reality just is. If one wants to give a meaning or purpose then it is their subjective wish.
Well that is your opinion. You may not find a purpose to life, but most of us do.

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Good luck if you want to be a new father at 50+. Btw Johnny, what exactly is your point here? It's hardly earth-shattering that young folks are more fertile than the old ones.
My point is to inform clowns like GOAT=Fed that you cannot just wait to 50 if you want to have a great chance of a healthy pregnancy and birth.

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Good lord, how misinformed can one person be?

It is not media, it is science.
The feminist media has distorted the science to make it seem like men and women's biological clock is at roughly the same point.

So many men have and continue to have children past 40 throughout history, whereas it was impossible for women until recent scientific advances.
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The feminist media has distorted the science to make it seem like men and women's biological clock is at roughly the same point.

So many men have and continue to have children past 40 throughout history, whereas it was impossible for women until recent scientific advances.
Did you even read the links I posted?

Men can father children into older age, yes, and have for millenia. But the longer you wait, the more chances there are of birth defects, mental disorders, or just your sperm not even reaching the egg. Especially if the woman is also over 30.

Nobody said impossible. But it is SCIENCE, not feminist media. It is SCIENCE that says that your sperm quality begins to decline after 35

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Well that is your opinion. You may not find a purpose to life, but most of us do.
It's not opinion, it's a fact. I don't even like to use that word. I like to contribute to the betterment of society and the advancement of civilization. That is something I desire and feel good doing it, I do not feel my purpose is to do that or anything at all. It's ok if you think you have a purpose, but that is one thing, another thing is to say there is an universal purpose to life, which is what you said in your first post.

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I shouldn't have children as father family is infested with schizophrenia (i have other mental illness), I have decided not to have children for this reason so it is not something that I think about plus with mental illness and drugs from time to time it is selfish to marry and have children.. If it bothers me one day I can adopt, but I don't think I will because psychosis gets bad with age..

But a relative is having a fertility problem and seeing this from a closer vision is VERY disturbing especially that I have known this person since childhood! She has been almost planning all her life how would she raise her children, what kind of schools? How would she balance her work and raising children.. It is very disturbing and harsh, she is not old but it is painful as the time goes without a solution.. She knew about her fertility problem after 6 months of her marriage.. she has undergone surgeries and many therapies, gone to many doctors.. the questions are hard to ask and even harder to answer! She used to talk A LOT about children, now she doesn't, she is not the same person.. Seeing her in hospital after a surgery made me cry.. Fortunately her husband loves her so things are easier but the whole matter is painful.. I wish I could tell her to think about adoption but they say it is not a nice thing to tell someone waiting..

Sorry if this sounds strange but being suicidal and mental, it is hard to fully understand the importance of having children of your own since it is a sign of a healthy personality imo.. With having children you defeat death, you have a company for life, you secure your future, etc.. and life and death are twisted in the minds of psychotics..

The only thing I can answer is as with any physical act, having children is better under 40 or even under 35 for both sexes for many reasons including that it is selfish to have babies at old age, even by adoption.. Exceptions are found I have seen children who are very healthy born to old parents.. But overall it is better to have children in your 20s and 30s, younger you don't give yourself or them a chance.. older is selfish..
If you have a child at 50 he or she is going to be 15 when you are 65! Men can have children at old age but they should think about what life they might be really giving to them as by 60 many men have real health issues in most of the world, and it shouldn't be normal for a 10 years old child to live with a senile father.. There are exceptions, many old fathers are good but generally speaking..

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